I rather doubt that the person you responded to was actually a KDE advocate. He was trolling, and taking potshots at one of KDE or GNOME, while attacking the other seems to be a magnificent way to troll in these parts.
I'm a KDE advocate, and I have nothing bad to say about GNOME.
Your unfair, repugnant, and inappropriate bashing of the KDE project was a major factor in my choosing not to contribute to the GNOME project.
Hey! Me, too! After I read that BBC article, I was so outraged that I have started learning Qt/KDE programming (got that new O'Reilly book; looks good so far), and I plan to contribute apps to KDE as soon as I get it all figured out. It may take a while, though...:-)
Using the same tactics as the opposition isn't a better way, it's a rehashing of the same old crap and will ultimately have the same results.
No. Using the same tactics would be if we had sleazy lawyers (but I repeat myself...) send them threatening lawyers.
Using the sunshine of publicity is a different tactic: one that they are no doubt unfamiliar with. It's about time these companies have to consider the publicity angle before they send out their lawyers.
(NB: this is also the problem I have with the GPL's "fight fire with fire" methodology
Ugh. What does this rubbish have to do with the matter at hand? I like the BSD license less and less as I read more anti-GPL screeds. And I'm not even a hard-core GPL guy...
I'd sure like to see someone try this, as it is pretty clearly unconstitutional if they intercept a single domestic call or message without a valid and specific search warrant.
But, then again, I also favor someone suing the cities which are suing gun manufacturers. I think the cities' actions consitute a conspiracy to deny citizens' civil and constitutional rights.
So, basically, I'm one of those unapologetic Libertarians, so I don't count.:-)
Folks, this is precisely the kind of stuff the U.S. Constitution was written to prevent. If we don't stop it now, we lose what little freedom we have left.
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Sorry, but you have the source code. Therefore, everything in KDE is completely configurable.
I sure wish people would be a little more grateful for something that has been created by a Free Software project. If you don't like it, don't use it, or fix what you don't like, and contribute the changes. Or at least complain to the developers, instead of on a public forum.
Sorry. I just really get tired of the KDE developers getting raked over the coals, and I think they deserve a lot of credit for what they've done. They've invested a lot of time and energy over the past 3 years, and did not have anyone hiring them to work on it.
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I think the point is that ~99% of the Microsoft Word userbase doesn't need or even know how to use such features. For them, it is indeed "bloat." That kind of stuff should be an optional add-on package; that would help the security situation quite a bit.
And why do people keep saying things like "if Linux is to have any sort of enterprise-level support?" If the "enterprise" wants to use Linux, fine; if they don't, that's fine, too.
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And therein lies the problem...this is the kind of short-term thinking that pretty much guarantees that Microsoft will lose its dominance in the next five years.
Only by focusing on the customers needs, and not their competition directly, can a company achieve long-term success.
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However, if Microsoft can reduce the growth of Linux's marketshare (or even stop its growth), that will do damage to Linux. Few ISV's want to write software for a stagnant platform.
Great! That helps Linux. The last thing we need is a bunch of proprietary "ISVs" shoveling their shiteware into the Linux market. Been there; done that. It's a trap. What happens when the software vendor decides that it's no longer in his interest to maintain the program, and you encounter a bug that prevents you from using it for a particular task? You're hosed.
I've been down the proprietary software dead-end with IBM and OS/2, and I'm not going there again!
Open Source is the only sane way to go.
If your office is using Outlook, and you can't get your mail using standard mail protocols, it's time to get a new office.
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Installed the regular Linux version on two machines:
Celeron 300A @ 450 MHz, 64 MB RAM, 2.2.9
Pentium 100, 48 MB RAM, 2.0.32
These are both systems that started as Redhat systems, but are now mostly upgraded with stuff compiled from source.
Works well on both systems. Only observed problem so far was a segfault during the registration on the 450.
This seems to play more smoothly than 5.0; I used to get this choppy effect where the audio would be sort of "jumbled." Doesn't seem to happen with G2.
I agree that they should at least compile a version for SPARC, Alpha and PPC. Such is life with proprietary software. Ugh.
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"Error 1" is seen on 2.2.x kernels (and, I expect, 2.1.x kernels after about 2.1.90, and almost certainly 2.3.x kernels).
It occurs because RealPlayer 5.0 depends on a bug in 2.0.x kernels, which is no longer present in the new kernels.
Guess the Progressive Networks people are a little too used to programming for Microsoft operating systems. With Windows, you can take advantage of a kernel bug, and feel fairly secure in the knowledge that it won't get fixed anytime soon...:-)
People who write COM objects and ISAPI extensions for NT/IIS spend a lot of time making sure that their objects are perfect
I would like to meet some of these people, as I am apparently unaquainted with them.:-)
One of the truly *awful* thing about the whole NT/IIS infrastructure is how ASP stuff can (and does) hang inetinfo.exe. It's not dead, so it still allows a connection; it just doesn't actually do anything at that point.
How did you guess? Yeah, I think his sig is a bit of a troll.
LinuxToday.com just yesterday had a piece on OS/2 version 5, due out mid-May. Journaling filesystem and all, OS/2 is far from dead. I use it all the time, along with DOS, Linux and assorted versions of Winblows. Heterogenous computing environments rock. Cyberdiversity forever!
You don't have to expound upon the virtues of OS/2 to me; I was a long time OS/2 user, and one of my machines still runs it about half the time. It is a great all-round operating system, although lacking somewhat in stability when using PM/WPS. That said, OS/2 Warp Server for e-business and Workspace on Demand are the only versions of OS/2 5.0 that will be made available, as far as I can tell. There is nothing about any new "fat client" anywhere on the official IBM OS/2 web site.
The fate of OS/2, mismanaged, mismarketed and mistargeted as it was by IBM, is the strongest argument I can think of why open source is crucial for operating systems, and why proprietary software is a trap.
So, OS/2 lives on, a shadow of its former self, likely for not very much longer. What would be great is if IBM, after it decides that OS/2 has reached its end, would GPL what source code it can, and if some of that great SOM/WPS technology could make its way into KDE and GNOME.
As several people have pointed out, static HTML is blase these days; you must be able to integrate dynamic capabilities into practically any modern web site.
For this reason, I do recommend learning HTML, and a little Perl as well, as a bare minimum.
XEmacs is a great tool for this purpose; it has color coding of HTML and Perl, and useful context-sensitive menus.
And, yes, I have worked for a web development company for years (although I mostly sysadmin these days). And I've tried many "WYSIWYG" tools, and found them all lacking. I had to spend as much time cleaning up their output as I ever could have hoped to save from not typing the tags.
I'm a bit disappointed in the "bash the geeks" nature of this thread, especially on a site that purports to be "News for Nerds." Opposing the use of "WYSIWYG" editors, and recommending that the questioner get his hands dirty and just learn the stuff is not only a legitimate answer, it is in his best interest in the long run.
I have noticed a conspicuous absence of KDE articles lately...do you think that Rob and Co., are refraining from posting such articles because they dislike KDE, or because they tend to ignite flame-fests, or???
Anyhow, thanks for the links, Roberto; I will check out those KDE stories.
Furthermore, his comment was absurd; to claim that the stability of Linux is *worse* than Microsoft (Windows) just doesn't ring true to a group of people (Linux users) who know better.
Thompson *should* be criticized for making such an uninformed comment, no matter what his great accomplishments of the past.
Yes, Linux is not perfect; but it's not crap, either.
Most of the comments here have been fairly on the mark. I would ask the other poster if he is sorting by score; it makes reading Slashdot more enjoyable.
Oh, come on. There was a *book* about this subject: Undocumented Windows," by Andrew Schulman (sorry, I don't have the ISBN). It's a settled issue: Microsoft, at least in the past, has used undocumented APIs.
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I'm a KDE advocate, and I have nothing bad to say about GNOME.
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Hey! Me, too! After I read that BBC article, I was so outraged that I have started learning Qt/KDE programming (got that new O'Reilly book; looks good so far), and I plan to contribute apps to KDE as soon as I get it all figured out. It may take a while, though... :-)
So, thanks for the inspiration, Miguel!
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No. Using the same tactics would be if we had sleazy lawyers (but I repeat myself...) send them threatening lawyers.
Using the sunshine of publicity is a different tactic: one that they are no doubt unfamiliar with. It's about time these companies have to consider the publicity angle before they send out their lawyers.
(NB: this is also the problem I have with the GPL's "fight fire with fire" methodology
Ugh. What does this rubbish have to do with the matter at hand? I like the BSD license less and less as I read more anti-GPL screeds. And I'm not even a hard-core GPL guy...
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Yes.
That way, maybe some of these corporate idiots will think twice before harassing people.
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But, then again, I also favor someone suing the cities which are suing gun manufacturers. I think the cities' actions consitute a conspiracy to deny citizens' civil and constitutional rights.
So, basically, I'm one of those unapologetic Libertarians, so I don't count. :-)
Folks, this is precisely the kind of stuff the U.S. Constitution was written to prevent. If we don't stop it now, we lose what little freedom we have left.
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I sure wish people would be a little more grateful for something that has been created by a Free Software project. If you don't like it, don't use it, or fix what you don't like, and contribute the changes. Or at least complain to the developers, instead of on a public forum.
Sorry. I just really get tired of the KDE developers getting raked over the coals, and I think they deserve a lot of credit for what they've done. They've invested a lot of time and energy over the past 3 years, and did not have anyone hiring them to work on it.
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"Too slick?" I don't get that; it's almost like you're saying that the KDE guys are doing too good of a job. They just can't win, I guess.
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And why do people keep saying things like "if Linux is to have any sort of enterprise-level support?" If the "enterprise" wants to use Linux, fine; if they don't, that's fine, too.
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And therein lies the problem...this is the kind of short-term thinking that pretty much guarantees that Microsoft will lose its dominance in the next five years.
Only by focusing on the customers needs, and not their competition directly, can a company achieve long-term success.
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Great! That helps Linux. The last thing we need is a bunch of proprietary "ISVs" shoveling their shiteware into the Linux market. Been there; done that. It's a trap. What happens when the software vendor decides that it's no longer in his interest to maintain the program, and you encounter a bug that prevents you from using it for a particular task? You're hosed.
I've been down the proprietary software dead-end with IBM and OS/2, and I'm not going there again!
Open Source is the only sane way to go.
If your office is using Outlook, and you can't get your mail using standard mail protocols, it's time to get a new office.
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Yes. It would be nice if Rob or Hemos could add the ability to do < and >
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Yes. It would be nice if Rob or Hemos could add the ability to do
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- Celeron 300A @ 450 MHz, 64 MB RAM, 2.2.9
- Pentium 100, 48 MB RAM, 2.0.32
These are both systems that started as Redhat systems, but are now mostly upgraded with stuff compiled from source.Works well on both systems. Only observed problem so far was a segfault during the registration on the 450.
This seems to play more smoothly than 5.0; I used to get this choppy effect where the audio would be sort of "jumbled." Doesn't seem to happen with G2.
I agree that they should at least compile a version for SPARC, Alpha and PPC. Such is life with proprietary software. Ugh.
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Thanks for putting the site up at that new URL. LinuxHQ is a fantastic resource. And, thanks for your hard work on it!
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Perhaps someone is using their domain name for workstation hostnames, email, a gopher server...
Is that so bad?
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It occurs because RealPlayer 5.0 depends on a bug in 2.0.x kernels, which is no longer present in the new kernels.
Guess the Progressive Networks people are a little too used to programming for Microsoft operating systems. With Windows, you can take advantage of a kernel bug, and feel fairly secure in the knowledge that it won't get fixed anytime soon... :-)
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Sheesh!
RA is bad enough; you pretty much have to use a 2.0.x kernel to use RealPlayer 5.0.
MP3 is the most available compressed audio stream format on the Linux platform.
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I would like to meet some of these people, as I am apparently unaquainted with them. :-)
One of the truly *awful* thing about the whole NT/IIS infrastructure is how ASP stuff can (and does) hang inetinfo.exe. It's not dead, so it still allows a connection; it just doesn't actually do anything at that point.
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How did you guess? Yeah, I think his sig is a bit of a troll.
LinuxToday.com just yesterday had a piece on OS/2 version 5, due out mid-May. Journaling filesystem and all, OS/2 is far from dead. I use it all the time, along with DOS, Linux and assorted versions of Winblows. Heterogenous computing environments rock. Cyberdiversity forever!
You don't have to expound upon the virtues of OS/2 to me; I was a long time OS/2 user, and one of my machines still runs it about half the time. It is a great all-round operating system, although lacking somewhat in stability when using PM/WPS. That said, OS/2 Warp Server for e-business and Workspace on Demand are the only versions of OS/2 5.0 that will be made available, as far as I can tell. There is nothing about any new "fat client" anywhere on the official IBM OS/2 web site.
The fate of OS/2, mismanaged, mismarketed and mistargeted as it was by IBM, is the strongest argument I can think of why open source is crucial for operating systems, and why proprietary software is a trap.
So, OS/2 lives on, a shadow of its former self, likely for not very much longer. What would be great is if IBM, after it decides that OS/2 has reached its end, would GPL what source code it can, and if some of that great SOM/WPS technology could make its way into KDE and GNOME.
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For this reason, I do recommend learning HTML, and a little Perl as well, as a bare minimum.
XEmacs is a great tool for this purpose; it has color coding of HTML and Perl, and useful context-sensitive menus.
And, yes, I have worked for a web development company for years (although I mostly sysadmin these days). And I've tried many "WYSIWYG" tools, and found them all lacking. I had to spend as much time cleaning up their output as I ever could have hoped to save from not typing the tags.
I'm a bit disappointed in the "bash the geeks" nature of this thread, especially on a site that purports to be "News for Nerds." Opposing the use of "WYSIWYG" editors, and recommending that the questioner get his hands dirty and just learn the stuff is not only a legitimate answer, it is in his best interest in the long run.
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StarOffice, although not Free, is a decent, very full-featured, if somewhat bloated, office package, and includes presentation software.
Also, Corel has ported WordPerfect, and is porting the rest of their WordPerfect Office2000 suite, as far as I know.
Then, in the Free Software world, there is Siag Office and, of course, KOffice, which, while not finished, look promising.
So, we do have usable tools now, and great Free tools on the way.
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Anyhow, thanks for the links, Roberto; I will check out those KDE stories.
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Thompson *should* be criticized for making such an uninformed comment, no matter what his great accomplishments of the past.
Yes, Linux is not perfect; but it's not crap, either.
Most of the comments here have been fairly on the mark. I would ask the other poster if he is sorting by score; it makes reading Slashdot more enjoyable.
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Oh, come on. There was a *book* about this subject: Undocumented Windows," by Andrew Schulman (sorry, I don't have the ISBN). It's a settled issue: Microsoft, at least in the past, has used undocumented APIs.
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About the only thing lacking now is Quicken, QuickBooks, and *games*.
I expect those will take another year or two. And then its on to World Domination.
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