It's telling when the most worthwhile educational show the last years came out on Fox.
Maybe what it tells you is that the world isn't as simple as your biases lead you to believe? Hitler loved dogs, Ford hated jews. People are capable of good things and bad things.
Probably, but anyone who cares, such as google, should be assuming that is happening and using wire-speed encryption hardware on both ends. Even without collusion, it's not that hard to sneak a 90/10 tap into an optical signal at a NAP and take a peek.
No, because those submarine cables also include the amplifiers/regenerators spaced out across the ocean floor which aren't compatible with the slick new coherent optics. Most of the old ones are hardwired to regenerate Sonet framed signals.
The limitation is in the amplifier equipment in the festoons on the ocean floor. In terrestrial cables we don't have that limitation and you'll frequently see 288 count cables on long-haul routes and 48 count cables going through neighborhoods and subdivisions.
It's true a lot of FTTH early adopters didn't find the business model as attractive as they thought. But every year the price of the FTTH PON equipent comes down, and the price of ADSL and copper is going up. It's inevitable that we will all have FTTH at some point. It's debatable whether the existing ILEC will survive long enough to build all the way to the home, but I think the healthier ones will.
20 milliseconds to what? Google? That's going to be dependent entirely on the ISPs transport network and peering locations, and the access technology won't affect it at all (assuming it's not congested). The latency from the customer to the broadband gateway router in the ISPs office is going to be similar to a LAN.
The other concern is, what if only 1 or 2 tenants in the 10 story office building are interested in anything higher than 50mb/s service. Why run fiber through the whole building for those two customers, when you can just upgrade your equipment in the wire closet and be done in an afternoon?
Synchronous != Symmetrical. The article does mention that the XG-FAST technology is symmetrical, although the service provided by the Telco probably would not be.
This is the future of DSL land. Every year the twisted-pair based providers build more fiber extending their DSL aggregation modules closer to the customer. Eventually they will all become FTTH providers, but somewhere in-between they are high speed DSL over short copper lines that go to a DSLAM at the end of the street.
This is a good way to get high speeds into multi-tenant buildings. You bring fiber into the wire closet and then run this over the existing copper to the offices, apartments, suites throughout the building.
He just said today he was going to unilaterally start changing immigration policy. He's been behaving like an autocrat for quite some time now. Your X is bad therefore Y is good logic does not work, they're both the wrong lizard.
Is this a republicans vs democrats thread in disguise? Just because one side of the discussion is arrogant doesn't mean the other is not. Google has a long history of failed projects because they're not afraid to over promise and blindly charge into a project. I think the ignition recall is a good illustration that the automotive industry doesn't have that luxury. My Google TV appliance, which is now an abandoned project, isn't going to kill me. An abandoned self driving car project might, even if it's not my car.
So better performance and lower costs are not a benefit to the ISP and its customers? I'm not speculating here, just yesterday we deferred a project costing $300,000 because installing a Netflix OpenConnect cache dropped our peak bandwidth usage enough in the market in question that we can afford to wait. Now we can wait a few months, maybe to 2015 and spend that money on other projects.
I'm speaking from experience here. I've seen the drop in peak bandwidth before and after deploying these. We spend hundreds of millions a year upgrading our network, so a free box that eases the pain is an easy call to make. Netflix provides the appliance for free. The space and power costs are pathetically small compared to the benefits in increased quality and decreased expense and capital upgrades. Also, they didn't offer this only to Comcast. They offer this to every ISP, see the link below.
What cost? Space and power? Installing a caching appliance will save thousands of dollars per year, maybe per month, for any ISP of any significant size. So, maybe an extra $10 a month on the electrical bill is balanced against better service to your customers and reduced network expenses, and the capital cost to upgrade routers and transport. This is a no-brainer for any ISP concerned with providing service, rather than 'monetizing' their customers.
Comcast plays ball with Google because if they impair Google then Comcast's large enterprise customers will raise hell. They can get away with squeezing Netflix because nobody uses Netflix at work.
That's like saying physics is useless because there's no such thing as a perfect sphere with no friction. The Free Market alone can't fix everything, but neither can command economics.
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When you are in another country, you abide by that countries rules.
I agree with the sentiment in this case, but not the concept. Every country in the world has some fucked up rules better off ignored.
It's telling when the most worthwhile educational show the last years came out on Fox.
Maybe what it tells you is that the world isn't as simple as your biases lead you to believe? Hitler loved dogs, Ford hated jews. People are capable of good things and bad things.
Probably, but anyone who cares, such as google, should be assuming that is happening and using wire-speed encryption hardware on both ends. Even without collusion, it's not that hard to sneak a 90/10 tap into an optical signal at a NAP and take a peek.
No, because those submarine cables also include the amplifiers/regenerators spaced out across the ocean floor which aren't compatible with the slick new coherent optics. Most of the old ones are hardwired to regenerate Sonet framed signals.
The limitation is in the amplifier equipment in the festoons on the ocean floor. In terrestrial cables we don't have that limitation and you'll frequently see 288 count cables on long-haul routes and 48 count cables going through neighborhoods and subdivisions.
A) No it doesn't beg the question. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...
B) Electricity in the Republic of Georgia is almost all Hydroelectric.
What's to stop it from using only the 4G connection and being completely undetectable by the firewall/IDS/IPS? That scenario is already broken.
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It's true a lot of FTTH early adopters didn't find the business model as attractive as they thought. But every year the price of the FTTH PON equipent comes down, and the price of ADSL and copper is going up.
It's inevitable that we will all have FTTH at some point. It's debatable whether the existing ILEC will survive long enough to build all the way to the home, but I think the healthier ones will.
20 milliseconds to what? Google? That's going to be dependent entirely on the ISPs transport network and peering locations, and the access technology won't affect it at all (assuming it's not congested).
The latency from the customer to the broadband gateway router in the ISPs office is going to be similar to a LAN.
Maybe to disambiguate from 10GigE, which is a different beast altogether from 10G over unshielded telco twisted pairs.
The other concern is, what if only 1 or 2 tenants in the 10 story office building are interested in anything higher than 50mb/s service. Why run fiber through the whole building for those two customers, when you can just upgrade your equipment in the wire closet and be done in an afternoon?
Synchronous != Symmetrical. The article does mention that the XG-FAST technology is symmetrical, although the service provided by the Telco probably would not be.
This is the future of DSL land. Every year the twisted-pair based providers build more fiber extending their DSL aggregation modules closer to the customer. Eventually they will all become FTTH providers, but somewhere in-between they are high speed DSL over short copper lines that go to a DSLAM at the end of the street.
This is a good way to get high speeds into multi-tenant buildings. You bring fiber into the wire closet and then run this over the existing copper to the offices, apartments, suites throughout the building.
To what, the DSLAM? A few microseconds. To the IP drain? The same as before. Also, this does not beg the question.
Well, it's a publicly traded stock so the answer is 'all of them'.
He just said today he was going to unilaterally start changing immigration policy. He's been behaving like an autocrat for quite some time now. Your X is bad therefore Y is good logic does not work, they're both the wrong lizard.
Is this a republicans vs democrats thread in disguise? Just because one side of the discussion is arrogant doesn't mean the other is not. Google has a long history of failed projects because they're not afraid to over promise and blindly charge into a project. I think the ignition recall is a good illustration that the automotive industry doesn't have that luxury. My Google TV appliance, which is now an abandoned project, isn't going to kill me. An abandoned self driving car project might, even if it's not my car.
The logic is: "People have been wrong about things for hundreds of years. You are a person. Therefore, you are wrong."
So better performance and lower costs are not a benefit to the ISP and its customers? I'm not speculating here, just yesterday we deferred a project costing $300,000 because installing a Netflix OpenConnect cache dropped our peak bandwidth usage enough in the market in question that we can afford to wait. Now we can wait a few months, maybe to 2015 and spend that money on other projects.
It's meant a little more solar and a lot more coal. Fear of the unknown has led to more pollution.
I'm speaking from experience here. I've seen the drop in peak bandwidth before and after deploying these. We spend hundreds of millions a year upgrading our network, so a free box that eases the pain is an easy call to make.
Netflix provides the appliance for free. The space and power costs are pathetically small compared to the benefits in increased quality and decreased expense and capital upgrades.
Also, they didn't offer this only to Comcast. They offer this to every ISP, see the link below.
https://www.netflix.com/openco...
What cost? Space and power? Installing a caching appliance will save thousands of dollars per year, maybe per month, for any ISP of any significant size. So, maybe an extra $10 a month on the electrical bill is balanced against better service to your customers and reduced network expenses, and the capital cost to upgrade routers and transport.
This is a no-brainer for any ISP concerned with providing service, rather than 'monetizing' their customers.
Comcast plays ball with Google because if they impair Google then Comcast's large enterprise customers will raise hell. They can get away with squeezing Netflix because nobody uses Netflix at work.
That's like saying physics is useless because there's no such thing as a perfect sphere with no friction. The Free Market alone can't fix everything, but neither can command economics.