I've noticed the that the only time Open Source costs jobs is when it is not being used and contributed to. If the skills are available then they get used by business, the astute ones save money by not incurring license fees. Open Source introduces a value proposition in the market if the skills are available which is why Apple and Microsoft both incorporate Open Source Software into their products. They seize the skills they require from the market to make the value proposition work for them.
When an OSS project arrives on the market it creates a new value proposition in the market that either survives or fails based on user base and how well it answers a need in the market. When it does it creates a demand for those skills eg Nagios, the value proposition is utilised.
I'd love to write more but I have to got to work tomorrow and use my Open Source skills and I'm tired.
Nuclear Energy needs to be highly regulated and maintained and its by products are toxic for thousands of years, but that is better then toxic gasses floating in the air you breath.
The "thousands of years" thing is FUD too. It comes from the half life of certain Plutonium isotopes (~24,000 years), but ignores that said Plutonium is not substantially more radioactive than the Uranium they mined out of the ground to make it in the first place.
You wave of the toxicity of pu-239 and focus on radioactivity. You completely ignore that when pu-239 bio-concentrates in the food chain it analogues iron as a micro nutrient and becomes a potent source for the gestation of cancers such as leukemia, bone marrow cancer and lung cancer when inhaled.
The *FACT* is that pu-239 is radioactive and substantially toxic not only for 25000 years but the average cycle of daughter products that bring it closer to 500000 years before it becomes benign.
Why else would Glen Seaborg, the discoverer of plutonium call it the most dangerous substance on earth and name it after the Greek god of Hell? Plutonium is carcinogenic at one-millionth of a gram, soluble, teratogenic. It also damages the genes causing recessive mutations that take generations to express.
Your statement was modded up because it panders to the illusory perception of the ardent nuclear fanbois here on slash dot and the insecurity caused by having their belief system completely crushed by reality. Just like religious cults whos claims that the end of the world is nigh, when their claims are proven false they become even more strident that their claims are TRUE TRUE TRUE.
It also ignores that newer reactors can use it as fuel, which gets rid of it permanently.
And which reactor would that be PBMR, IFR? Supported by which materials technology? Can you specify an actual burn-up rate? Do you know what a burn-up rate is or what the nominal burn-up rate of a conventional reactor is? How do you propose handling the now enormous amounts of fissile ash created?
Do surprise me.
The most difficult components of nuclear waste are the medium half life isotopes that last for a few years, because they're radioactive enough to be problematic but long lived enough that you need to wait a few decades before they're "safe." But characterizing having to store them for e.g. 50 years as an insurmountable problem just doesn't pass the laugh test.
I can only presume you are referring to the fissile ash output of your "modern reactor" design that would be produced in abundance. Those products are radioactive in the 600 year time frame and as there is no geologically stable waste containment facility in America how and where would you propose it to be transported and how would it be stored. Your statement is naive and reveals a complete lack of understand of the industrial size of the logistics of your flippant statement.
durr hurr troll troll science make brain hurt +100000 insightful
Indeed, whereas your post relies on social proof, mine relies on actual evidence that isn't an insult to actual science. I ridiculed your post because I had better things to do, like get drunk and relax in the sun. You ignorance, rampant as it is, makes me weep. Baaaaa baaaaa baaaaa.
or how you imagine it will get from the inside of a reactor into your breakfast cereal any more than the contents of all the chemical plants in New Jersey do.
What about a plutonium fire in a spent fuel cooling pond at Fukushima. What about ground water contamination or even a hydrovolcanic explosion. Are you certain the engineering that supports the actual containment of these transuranics are able to stop leakage from occurring? What sort of concrete lasts 25000 years? What sort of geology do you think contains plutonium in ground water thus preventing contamination from occurring? What
Nuclear Energy needs to be highly regulated and maintained and its by products are toxic for thousands of years, but that is better then toxic gasses floating in the air you breath.
The "thousands of years" thing is FUD too. It comes from the half life of certain Plutonium isotopes (~24,000 years), but ignores that said Plutonium is not substantially more radioactive than the Uranium they mined out of the ground to make it in the first place. It also ignores that newer reactors can use it as fuel, which gets rid of it permanently.
Yeah it's just stupid, pu-239 is no more toxic than sugar, and probably better for you on your breakfast cereal. The best thing we could do would be to replace sugar with plutonium crystals because that way everyone gets a benefit from it. We'd could all benefit from using plutonium as food, today!
The most difficult components of nuclear waste are the medium half life isotopes that last for a few years, because they're radioactive enough to be problematic but long lived enough that you need to wait a few decades before they're "safe." But characterizing having to store them for e.g. 50 years as an insurmountable problem just doesn't pass the laugh test.
Oh, I couldn't agree more, all that is really required is a few ice cream containers and a hole in the back yard - should be fine. This stuff is just like chilli, hot but no worse than some of the toxic chilli dishes made in those chill competitions. This is the most insightful and fact filled post I've ever seen on plutonium and should be modded up to +100000 insightful so everyone on slashdot can learn, be informed and educated on this subject from someone who knows so much about it.
Thank you for explaining to us, in simple terms, why plutonium is actually good for us. This is something that science and medicine has never been able to do and it's exciting to have someone available on slashdot who is so educated on the subject. Please, tell us more about how harmless plutonium actually is!!!
Well the accident is still being brought under control and is a completely different event from Chernobyl. So far no one has died from Radiation poisoning. However the measurable effects of fallout will take many years to manifest as radionuclides bio-concentrate in the food chain and the gestation time of cancer completes. A rough estimate would be about 6-8 years before cancers start to express themselves. Those people share a similar fate.
Someone actually modded my coments about footy down??? wtf?
I think that says a lot. We have cattle stations here that are bigger than Texas and ice cream harder than your gridiron players. Toughen up princess, talk about sensitive.
What you have said, whilst completely true will never be understood by Americans. Simply put Rugby is a thug's game played by gentlemen and AFL is a gentleman's game played by thugs. Gridiron players are neither thugs nor gentlemen, they are athletes.
What this thread demonstrates is reason why I now understand why I could only watch one game of American Football with a sense of frustration. Americans, when Australians watch AFL, Aussie Rules or Rugby (that right friends we have THREE codes) we see the entire field of play. The absence of padding keeps the game real.
I watched footy for years and it takes so long to get your head around the complexity of a game that is always evolving. It took me a long time to appreciate but when the game is played by good strategic players it's an awesome sport. There is nothing like seeing the grace of a 600-700kg line of forwards with an inflated pig-skin pass a ball and move with accuracy to confront another 600-700kg line of players. It's not an easy game to appreciate but when you do, it's a real spectacle. It's a shame Americans can see there favourite sport from the same perspective. I'm not knocking the American code, it just doesn't seem as exciting as Australian codes. Swapping defensive teams and offensive teams and other such shenanigans denies us seeing the game played to the limit of endurance for humans in peak physical condition.
To me though Grid Iron is Rugby sanitised. The thuggery of the game is removed to minimise injury and the gentlemen replaced with athletes. The thuggery was necessary so that no single player gets to sure of himself, stray too far from the team and the opponents will destroy you physically the lesson; play together to win. Because Rugby is so dangerous you need it to be played my men who are gentlemen and a little thoughtful. AFL in contrast is a game where the game rules the thugs. Full contact punch ups will occur when nerves are frayed and the players exhausted. There is no padding to stop you getting smashed and you will get smashed but the rules of AFL are there to temper the thugs. Do American players get hit so hard they get a fractured skull in the second last game of their career? Happened this season to Lockyer. that's what makes our codes exciting.
I'm kinda glad that Americans don't get into Australian codes of Football because I wouldn't want to see the level of sanitisation that occurs in the American Code to appear in our game. Footy is a dirty, rough, bloody strategic hard game where you get bruised battered and beaten, but sometimes, if you play really well, you win.
What you have said, whilst completely true will never be understood by Americans. Simply put Rugby is a thug's game played by gentlemen and AFL is a gentleman's game played by thugs. Gridiron players are neither thugs nor gentlemen, they are athletes.
What this thread demonstrates is reason why I now understand why I could only watch one game of American Football with a sense of frustration. Americans, when Australians watch AFL, Aussie Rules or Rugby (that right friends we have THREE codes) we see the entire field of play. The absence of padding keeps the game real.
I watched footy for years and it takes so long to get your head around the complexity of a game that is always evolving. It took me a long time to appreciate but when the game is played by good strategic players it's an awesome sport. There is nothing like seeing the grace of a 600-700kg line of forwards with an inflated pig-skin pass a ball and move with accuracy to confront another 600-700kg line of players. It's not an easy game to appreciate but when you do, it's a real spectacle. It's a shame Americans can see there favourite sport from the same perspective. I'm not knocking the American code, it just doesn't seem as exciting as Australian codes. Swapping defensive teams and offensive teams and other such shenanigans denies us seeing the game played to the limit of endurance for humans in peak physical condition.
To me though Grid Iron is Rugby sanitised. The thuggery of the game is removed to minimise injury and the gentlemen replaced with athletes. The thuggery was necessary so that no single player gets to sure of himself, stray too far from the team and the opponents will destroy you physically the lesson; play together to win. Because Rugby is so dangerous you need it to be played my men who are gentlemen and a little thoughtful. AFL in contrast is a game where the game rules the thugs. Full contact punch ups will occur when nerves are frayed and the players exhausted. There is no padding to stop you getting smashed and you will get smashed but the rules of AFL are there to temper the thugs. Do American players get hit so hard they get a fractured skull in the second last game of their career? Happened this season to Lockyer. that's what makes our codes exciting.
I'm kinda glad that Americans don't get into Australian codes of Football because I wouldn't want to see the level of sanitisation that occurs in the American Code to appear in our game. Footy is a dirty, rough, bloody strategic hard game where you get bruised battered and beaten, but sometimes, if you play really well, you win.
I also read posts by people complaining only finding the real gems at -1 or 0
Well all I can do is thank you for your post and hope that you will persist, this is where I find gems too. As for the Dogmatic Nuclear fanboi Skeptics found here on slashdot all I can suggest is that you draw a real sense of entertainment from disassembling their psyches after demolishing their arguments, after all you may find that it serves you in face to face situation when you encounter the same arguments.
Believe me I share your sense of frustration. If I see your comments, I'll mod them up as I'm getting the impression that the sane, independent and rational thinkers here have been diluted by the masses duped by social proof.
It ain't hatin, its just we in the USA got legitimate beefs!
meh, You showed up for the last five minutes of wwII while we fought off the hun, it's only cause the japs gave you a spanking that you even bothered to get out of bed. Grand father used to say "the only thing the Americans don't have in their packs is an Ice Cream maker"
As for the, ahem, aussies they had to show you how to park your planes so they wouldn;t get blown up while they were parked on an airfeild, tsk tsk.
America invented the Nuclear Bomb and Canada responded with Bryan Adams, and for that America will always be cursed!!!
was that because it is occurring the reactor is not controlled, i.e. it hasn't turned a corner yet.
should read
was that because it is occurring the reactor is not controlled, i.e. it hadn't turned a corner yet.
i.e. in the context of the discussion back then. The heroes in this mess are the plant workers and firefighters risking their lives. Slow progress is being made, but I don't expect it to follow any timetable.
If you are going to insist on paraphrasing words into my mouth I may as well say that TMI is a sleeping godzilla robot that is going to wake up, grow legs, stand up from it's concrete bed and start to walk across the countryside stepping on houses as it walks along. I know you're capable of rational conversation so don't be a jerk. Your claim;
No actually dangerous release of anything
cannot be made because there is no data gathered to support it. I don't care that you made it, but by providing the citations you asked for I'm pointing out, it is an assumption.
What the supporting evidence reveals is that radionuclides were released from TMI, we just don't know which types. Because of that we aren't able to mitigate against the radionuclides that are biologically analogued in the body to micro nutrients (e.g people take extra iodine to mitigate against radioiodine) or which cancers to watch for.
"what about TMI is protective against thyroid cancer and how can we replicate the success"...but since they're not gasses at any credible temperature and we know only gasses were released...
hot gas and steam released into atmosphere
wind blows cooling fallout
settles on another county.
You see, something (could be a hell of a lot of things) seems to be increasing the risk of thyroid cancer around there, but NOT in the actual county where TMI was built.
Like what, farmer Joes tractor, cow farts, fucking duck shit or the INES level 5 accident at the local Nuclear power plant.
Stop pretending to be stupid, i know you're not. They were hot gasses from a Nuclear power plant and, under the circumstances, that's a great hiaku. Saying "TMI is protective against thyroid cancer" is ridiculous and I don't believe you actually believe it so unless you can cite another serious industrial accident in the region that is comparable we will have to stick with the obvious. We know fall-out gets blown on the wind. You've demonstrated you understand bio-concentration with your "pro-tip: milk" comment, figure it out for your self.
None of these things are at all hard to find if they're out there. I can't imagine why nobody's ever found them.
Yeah, perhaps at the time, but not after 25 years worth of mixing up and because authorities haven't seeked, they haven't found.
TMI *melted down* and as a consequence water was released into the river, steam and gas into the atmosphere. They are the facts. I'd sure like to know precisely what radionuclides were present in that water and steam and how dangerous they were but that time has passed. All we are seeing now are a whole lot of consequences with no hard data to link them to root cause. This is the game the Nuclear Industry play because it takes so long for the consequences to manifest in many different ways. The timeframes that the radionuclides decay in and the gestation time of cancer allow them to absolve themselves of responsibility. They make good intentioned people their "useful idiots".
For you to continue attempting to dance around your original claim and pretending to be a simpleton is just making you look like you can't adapt, you didn't do it in our previous conversations and it's silly for you to do it now. I can totally accept that you didn't know about the lack of actual science to collect data and I have nothing invested in your comments (i.e. you don't come across as an arrogant condescending nuclear fanboi with a phd in bullshitting).
I'm not saying you are ignorant, all I am doing is informing you that the basis for your assumption comes from a lack of science performed rather than actual science performed.
I asked you;
So if the authorities *refused* to take measurements and have no data, how is it you do?
If you can provide a citation to saying that authorities *did* look for radioactive fallout then by all means, do so. You may not have be
And you're surprised why? Short of a permanent injunction this was completely predictable. Now the fun would be if they're taken to court over this again and have to remove IE again after welding it back in once more.
in the vicarious sense of our entire race it is a viable solution...much better you than I.
I wouldn't take any of my responses to you too seriously, I don't have anything invested in them other than amusement. Relax lest you disturb your creamy yellow texture exposing your vinegar.
So you are proposing mass genocide as a solution to the population problem?
Many people would consider that monstrous, but then, so is flying away and leaving billions to die. In either case, the choice as to who lives and who dies is arbitrarily taken.
and I would agree with you, but even though you don't seem to understand my flippant sarcasm, in the vicarious sense of our entire race it is a viable solution.
Come to think of it, the argument that space travel might somehow be a viable option in the face of a major disaster is not just wrong, but quite psychotic. Interesting.
No. What I am saying is Strontium 90 and Cesium 137 are longer lived than the isotopes that you mentioned but since the science hasn't been done we will really never know what radionuclides were released. Both are know by-products of a meltdown of that kind. From the link you provided;
A 2008 study on thyroid cancer in the region found rates as expected in the county in which the reactor is located, and significantly higher than expected rates in two neighbouring counties beginning in 1990 and 1995 respectively. The research notes that "These findings, however, do not provide a causal link to the TMI accident."
So if anyone happens to remember which way the wind was blowing we may have an idea. But since no actual data was gathered no one has been able to establish a causal link OR NOT which is my point. Your claim, however, is absolute;
No actually dangerous release of anything
and can only be claimed *because* no direct data gathering was done. Convenient, Yes. Factual, I think not.
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When an OSS project arrives on the market it creates a new value proposition in the market that either survives or fails based on user base and how well it answers a need in the market. When it does it creates a demand for those skills eg Nagios, the value proposition is utilised.
I'd love to write more but I have to got to work tomorrow and use my Open Source skills and I'm tired.
Nuclear Energy needs to be highly regulated and maintained and its by products are toxic for thousands of years, but that is better then toxic gasses floating in the air you breath.
The "thousands of years" thing is FUD too. It comes from the half life of certain Plutonium isotopes (~24,000 years), but ignores that said Plutonium is not substantially more radioactive than the Uranium they mined out of the ground to make it in the first place.
You wave of the toxicity of pu-239 and focus on radioactivity. You completely ignore that when pu-239 bio-concentrates in the food chain it analogues iron as a micro nutrient and becomes a potent source for the gestation of cancers such as leukemia, bone marrow cancer and lung cancer when inhaled.
The *FACT* is that pu-239 is radioactive and substantially toxic not only for 25000 years but the average cycle of daughter products that bring it closer to 500000 years before it becomes benign.
Why else would Glen Seaborg, the discoverer of plutonium call it the most dangerous substance on earth and name it after the Greek god of Hell? Plutonium is carcinogenic at one-millionth of a gram, soluble, teratogenic. It also damages the genes causing recessive mutations that take generations to express.
Your statement was modded up because it panders to the illusory perception of the ardent nuclear fanbois here on slash dot and the insecurity caused by having their belief system completely crushed by reality. Just like religious cults whos claims that the end of the world is nigh, when their claims are proven false they become even more strident that their claims are TRUE TRUE TRUE.
It also ignores that newer reactors can use it as fuel, which gets rid of it permanently.
And which reactor would that be PBMR, IFR? Supported by which materials technology? Can you specify an actual burn-up rate? Do you know what a burn-up rate is or what the nominal burn-up rate of a conventional reactor is? How do you propose handling the now enormous amounts of fissile ash created?
Do surprise me.
The most difficult components of nuclear waste are the medium half life isotopes that last for a few years, because they're radioactive enough to be problematic but long lived enough that you need to wait a few decades before they're "safe." But characterizing having to store them for e.g. 50 years as an insurmountable problem just doesn't pass the laugh test.
I can only presume you are referring to the fissile ash output of your "modern reactor" design that would be produced in abundance. Those products are radioactive in the 600 year time frame and as there is no geologically stable waste containment facility in America how and where would you propose it to be transported and how would it be stored. Your statement is naive and reveals a complete lack of understand of the industrial size of the logistics of your flippant statement.
durr hurr troll troll science make brain hurt +100000 insightful
Indeed, whereas your post relies on social proof, mine relies on actual evidence that isn't an insult to actual science. I ridiculed your post because I had better things to do, like get drunk and relax in the sun. You ignorance, rampant as it is, makes me weep. Baaaaa baaaaa baaaaa.
or how you imagine it will get from the inside of a reactor into your breakfast cereal any more than the contents of all the chemical plants in New Jersey do.
What about a plutonium fire in a spent fuel cooling pond at Fukushima. What about ground water contamination or even a hydrovolcanic explosion. Are you certain the engineering that supports the actual containment of these transuranics are able to stop leakage from occurring? What sort of concrete lasts 25000 years? What sort of geology do you think contains plutonium in ground water thus preventing contamination from occurring? What
Yeah it's just stupid, pu-239 is no more toxic than sugar
Yes, but how does it taste?
like chicken.
Nuclear power is perfectly safe. Just look a Fukushima - it's proof that Nuclear power is safe.
SAFE!
League, yes, my bad. that must have been why I was modded down. Totally justified, my spelling is terrible.
Nuclear Energy needs to be highly regulated and maintained and its by products are toxic for thousands of years, but that is better then toxic gasses floating in the air you breath.
The "thousands of years" thing is FUD too. It comes from the half life of certain Plutonium isotopes (~24,000 years), but ignores that said Plutonium is not substantially more radioactive than the Uranium they mined out of the ground to make it in the first place. It also ignores that newer reactors can use it as fuel, which gets rid of it permanently.
Yeah it's just stupid, pu-239 is no more toxic than sugar, and probably better for you on your breakfast cereal. The best thing we could do would be to replace sugar with plutonium crystals because that way everyone gets a benefit from it. We'd could all benefit from using plutonium as food, today!
The most difficult components of nuclear waste are the medium half life isotopes that last for a few years, because they're radioactive enough to be problematic but long lived enough that you need to wait a few decades before they're "safe." But characterizing having to store them for e.g. 50 years as an insurmountable problem just doesn't pass the laugh test.
Oh, I couldn't agree more, all that is really required is a few ice cream containers and a hole in the back yard - should be fine. This stuff is just like chilli, hot but no worse than some of the toxic chilli dishes made in those chill competitions. This is the most insightful and fact filled post I've ever seen on plutonium and should be modded up to +100000 insightful so everyone on slashdot can learn, be informed and educated on this subject from someone who knows so much about it.
Thank you for explaining to us, in simple terms, why plutonium is actually good for us. This is something that science and medicine has never been able to do and it's exciting to have someone available on slashdot who is so educated on the subject. Please, tell us more about how harmless plutonium actually is!!!
Well the accident is still being brought under control and is a completely different event from Chernobyl. So far no one has died from Radiation poisoning. However the measurable effects of fallout will take many years to manifest as radionuclides bio-concentrate in the food chain and the gestation time of cancer completes. A rough estimate would be about 6-8 years before cancers start to express themselves. Those people share a similar fate.
the difference is radionuclides from a Nuclear Power Plant are all enriched making them thousands of times more concentrated.
I think that says a lot. We have cattle stations here that are bigger than Texas and ice cream harder than your gridiron players. Toughen up princess, talk about sensitive.
What you have said, whilst completely true will never be understood by Americans. Simply put Rugby is a thug's game played by gentlemen and AFL is a gentleman's game played by thugs. Gridiron players are neither thugs nor gentlemen, they are athletes.
What this thread demonstrates is reason why I now understand why I could only watch one game of American Football with a sense of frustration. Americans, when Australians watch AFL, Aussie Rules or Rugby (that right friends we have THREE codes) we see the entire field of play. The absence of padding keeps the game real.
I watched footy for years and it takes so long to get your head around the complexity of a game that is always evolving. It took me a long time to appreciate but when the game is played by good strategic players it's an awesome sport. There is nothing like seeing the grace of a 600-700kg line of forwards with an inflated pig-skin pass a ball and move with accuracy to confront another 600-700kg line of players. It's not an easy game to appreciate but when you do, it's a real spectacle. It's a shame Americans can see there favourite sport from the same perspective. I'm not knocking the American code, it just doesn't seem as exciting as Australian codes. Swapping defensive teams and offensive teams and other such shenanigans denies us seeing the game played to the limit of endurance for humans in peak physical condition.
To me though Grid Iron is Rugby sanitised. The thuggery of the game is removed to minimise injury and the gentlemen replaced with athletes. The thuggery was necessary so that no single player gets to sure of himself, stray too far from the team and the opponents will destroy you physically the lesson; play together to win. Because Rugby is so dangerous you need it to be played my men who are gentlemen and a little thoughtful. AFL in contrast is a game where the game rules the thugs. Full contact punch ups will occur when nerves are frayed and the players exhausted. There is no padding to stop you getting smashed and you will get smashed but the rules of AFL are there to temper the thugs. Do American players get hit so hard they get a fractured skull in the second last game of their career? Happened this season to Lockyer. that's what makes our codes exciting.
I'm kinda glad that Americans don't get into Australian codes of Football because I wouldn't want to see the level of sanitisation that occurs in the American Code to appear in our game. Footy is a dirty, rough, bloody strategic hard game where you get bruised battered and beaten, but sometimes, if you play really well, you win.
Just like life.
where the emotion recognition system will say the caller hinted..
"FUCK YOU"
because this is very sophisticated software.
Your call is important to us!
Please wait while we ignore it!...
adventure game utilising the combined resources of these machines.
thanks
Well all I can do is thank you for your post and hope that you will persist, this is where I find gems too. As for the Dogmatic Nuclear fanboi Skeptics found here on slashdot all I can suggest is that you draw a real sense of entertainment from disassembling their psyches after demolishing their arguments, after all you may find that it serves you in face to face situation when you encounter the same arguments.
Believe me I share your sense of frustration. If I see your comments, I'll mod them up as I'm getting the impression that the sane, independent and rational thinkers here have been diluted by the masses duped by social proof.
It ain't hatin, its just we in the USA got legitimate beefs!
meh, You showed up for the last five minutes of wwII while we fought off the hun, it's only cause the japs gave you a spanking that you even bothered to get out of bed. Grand father used to say "the only thing the Americans don't have in their packs is an Ice Cream maker"
As for the, ahem, aussies they had to show you how to park your planes so they wouldn;t get blown up while they were parked on an airfeild, tsk tsk.
America invented the Nuclear Bomb and Canada responded with Bryan Adams, and for that America will always be cursed!!!
Now begone with thee lest we sik TISM onto you!
was that because it is occurring the reactor is not controlled, i.e. it hasn't turned a corner yet.
should read
was that because it is occurring the reactor is not controlled, i.e. it hadn't turned a corner yet.
i.e. in the context of the discussion back then. The heroes in this mess are the plant workers and firefighters risking their lives. Slow progress is being made, but I don't expect it to follow any timetable.
that pretty much covers it
Apology accepted. My point, well over a month ago, was that because it is occurring the reactor is not controlled, i.e. it hasn't turned a corner yet.
What proof will you accept?
If you are going to insist on paraphrasing words into my mouth I may as well say that TMI is a sleeping godzilla robot that is going to wake up, grow legs, stand up from it's concrete bed and start to walk across the countryside stepping on houses as it walks along. I know you're capable of rational conversation so don't be a jerk. Your claim;
No actually dangerous release of anything
cannot be made because there is no data gathered to support it. I don't care that you made it, but by providing the citations you asked for I'm pointing out, it is an assumption.
What the supporting evidence reveals is that radionuclides were released from TMI, we just don't know which types. Because of that we aren't able to mitigate against the radionuclides that are biologically analogued in the body to micro nutrients (e.g people take extra iodine to mitigate against radioiodine) or which cancers to watch for.
hot gas and steam released into atmosphere
wind blows cooling fallout
settles on another county.
Like what, farmer Joes tractor, cow farts, fucking duck shit or the INES level 5 accident at the local Nuclear power plant. Stop pretending to be stupid, i know you're not. They were hot gasses from a Nuclear power plant and, under the circumstances, that's a great hiaku. Saying "TMI is protective against thyroid cancer" is ridiculous and I don't believe you actually believe it so unless you can cite another serious industrial accident in the region that is comparable we will have to stick with the obvious. We know fall-out gets blown on the wind. You've demonstrated you understand bio-concentration with your "pro-tip: milk" comment, figure it out for your self.
Yeah, perhaps at the time, but not after 25 years worth of mixing up and because authorities haven't seeked, they haven't found.
TMI *melted down* and as a consequence water was released into the river, steam and gas into the atmosphere. They are the facts. I'd sure like to know precisely what radionuclides were present in that water and steam and how dangerous they were but that time has passed. All we are seeing now are a whole lot of consequences with no hard data to link them to root cause. This is the game the Nuclear Industry play because it takes so long for the consequences to manifest in many different ways. The timeframes that the radionuclides decay in and the gestation time of cancer allow them to absolve themselves of responsibility. They make good intentioned people their "useful idiots".
For you to continue attempting to dance around your original claim and pretending to be a simpleton is just making you look like you can't adapt, you didn't do it in our previous conversations and it's silly for you to do it now. I can totally accept that you didn't know about the lack of actual science to collect data and I have nothing invested in your comments (i.e. you don't come across as an arrogant condescending nuclear fanboi with a phd in bullshitting).
I'm not saying you are ignorant, all I am doing is informing you that the basis for your assumption comes from a lack of science performed rather than actual science performed.
I asked you;
So if the authorities *refused* to take measurements and have no data, how is it you do?
If you can provide a citation to saying that authorities *did* look for radioactive fallout then by all means, do so. You may not have be
And you're surprised why? Short of a permanent injunction this was completely predictable. Now the fun would be if they're taken to court over this again and have to remove IE again after welding it back in once more.
They certainly have my antitrust.
That's great but I neglected to add;
in the vicarious sense of our entire race it is a viable solution... much better you than I.
I wouldn't take any of my responses to you too seriously, I don't have anything invested in them other than amusement. Relax lest you disturb your creamy yellow texture exposing your vinegar.
So you are proposing mass genocide as a solution to the population problem?
Many people would consider that monstrous, but then, so is flying away and leaving billions to die. In either case, the choice as to who lives and who dies is arbitrarily taken.
and I would agree with you, but even though you don't seem to understand my flippant sarcasm, in the vicarious sense of our entire race it is a viable solution.
Come to think of it, the argument that space travel might somehow be a viable option in the face of a major disaster is not just wrong, but quite psychotic. Interesting.
O...K. Well it is *your* idea.
REALLY! You claim a strontium 90 leak?
No. What I am saying is Strontium 90 and Cesium 137 are longer lived than the isotopes that you mentioned but since the science hasn't been done we will really never know what radionuclides were released. Both are know by-products of a meltdown of that kind. From the link you provided;
A 2008 study on thyroid cancer in the region found rates as expected in the county in which the reactor is located, and significantly higher than expected rates in two neighbouring counties beginning in 1990 and 1995 respectively. The research notes that "These findings, however, do not provide a causal link to the TMI accident."
So if anyone happens to remember which way the wind was blowing we may have an idea. But since no actual data was gathered no one has been able to establish a causal link OR NOT which is my point. Your claim, however, is absolute;
No actually dangerous release of anything
and can only be claimed *because* no direct data gathering was done. Convenient, Yes. Factual, I think not.