Empathy (the act of caring without thought) has to be one of the most troubling concepts people are trying to push these days. It is an exceptionally loathsome version of altruism that requires nothing from person practicing it and can actively hurt the person you are practicing it on.
empathy: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this
From the nature of your comment, I suspect that people don't show you a lot of empathy and you are isolated.
I tend not to get along with people who use sudo-scientific babble like "emotional intelligence" so I would feel better if we didn't work very closely so I like the idea. I value progress, scientific discovery and insight.
I wouldn't describe the field of psychiatry and psychology as pseudo-scientific. They have been established science for a very long time. Just because it is outside your scope of experiences does not mean it does not exist.
I actively avoid people who spend too much time in self analysis.
I'd suggest that they are actually skilled in avoiding you. People who spend some time self-analysing understand when they are being an asshole.
If you have to take medications to survive and they cause you performance problems that is not my concern. I should not be chained to your problems just because you feel you should be protected.
Often this type of attitude is displayed by people who scream to be understood. Often they have problems of their own and aren't conscious of the way they act.
Again, you have some concept that I am responsible for curing all of the worlds ills. I deal with people in an open an honorable way.
Certainly not. The honourable thing to do is not judge people and not interfere with them healing themselves.
Yep, lets see can we get the "Group Hug Officer" to come out and make all the bad feelings go away?
Usually this person is the CEO.
Good point, I tend to heavily use caffeine. It has some minor side-effects but can help me stay focused long after I normally would space out. While it is possible I am self-delusional I think it brings way more positives effects.
A rather hypocritical position. You are imposing *your* drug use on others for pseudo-scientific reasons, i.e. your opinion. I doubt anyone wants to be chained to your bad coffee days and you are making the same excuses any other 'addict' makes.
As for smokers they should force them and the idiots wearing excessive perfume to take showers before entering the building.
Sure, anything above three squirts is as offensive as not wearing any at all. Imposing your body odour on others is just inconsiderate.
I have a guy at work that I personally detest but he is by far the best systems operator that I have ever seen. We have a tense relationship. That being said we are both grownups and we can work to get stuff done.
Probably because he is a professional.
Ethically I see nothing wrong with requiring a search as condition of employment. The employer is not the government there is no illegal search.
Incorrect. Just because they are not the government does not mean they can do something that is illegal. They too are subject to the law.
You pull an appeal to authority and use.. Shakespeare? Yes there are some painters that are barely functional idiots too. What does this have to do with jobs that people reading slashdot would usually be involved in?
Shakespeare was a playwrite, not a painter. It wasn't a call to authority it was a reference to evidence and it was put there to show that the post I was replying to was poorly thought out.
So if some guy gets caught parking his van behind an elementary school, and he's got duck tape, a bed and a puppy in back, you're just going to say, "No story here" because the cops make him move along?
Maybe he's looking for some ducks to tape getting fuct?
I am yet to see a use case presented that the existing initd system cannot handle if you take the time to understand how to use it properly.
The concept of event based management of processes dates back to the days of 10MB HDDs and is something that init can't manage, never was able to manage, and is the reason that many projects and attempts have been made to replace it.
I have already addressed this use case previously. There is no reason to force the rest of us into it, sufficient functionality can be derived from init for us all to be able to do what we need to do. You are blaming init for implementation issues.
As now I am being told that I'll have to make modifications to the way somethings that have worked for years.
For that you can blame the maintainers of your distribution. After all they are the ones who rolled out an update to you with a default blindly set from upstream despite it not being compatible with the way the rest of their system runs.
So this is an argument *for* systemd, blame someone else. Until this point I presumed that it's base functionality was static now you are telling me that not only does it turn existing knowledge into assumption its behaviour is inconsistent.
Basically you have just told me that systemd is worse than I thought it was as I've only been testing fedora. It is pretty clear to me that it is time to start reconsidering red hat's viability as a enterprise operating system. Thanks for the additional info.
Do you systemd proponents actually have *any* experience on enterprise systems and how hard it is to get root access to modify these behaviors?
You don't. Just either a) make sure the defaults are set to suit your use case, b) use the provided workaround that systemd offers you as a user, or c) use software that supports the process model (admittedly this will be the hardest option since it's out of your control).
Well, my experiences come from high performance computing environments so I'll share an alternate perspective.
I *want* init to be as simple as possible because I want to be able to isolate system behaviour. I do *not* want a monolithic process like systemd stealing context from my high performance processes. Lets say systemd generates a software interrupt or some other process on another core attached to it to generate logging I/O, wakes up its event manager, cron, networks or any other bit of functionality. In the scenario you describe not only do I have to do what you say, I'll also have to configure the cpu scheduler so it won't force minor page faults onto my process as it dumps my process from cpu cache to memory because systemd. You're saying that wading through systemctl and allocating CPUShares is a more logical choice than a lightweight process manager like init where I can leave that functionality disabled or simply isolate it it to a single core. As opposed to not quite having to care what initd is doing internally I *have* to know *everything* systemd is doing.
That's a lot of additional workload to make sure enterprise system behave as expected and it's apparent that systemd implements cgroups because it has to just to get back to what init did by design. I suspect there are going to be a lot of post incident reviews for those who don't account for this behaviour.
I've already considered the use case you cited and have performed a reverse analysis on the impact of systemd for my own use case so I'm pretty sure I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
If you want systemd so badly - why don't you just make it a service of initd?
The irony of recommending the exact thing that systemd was made to avoid is unfortunately lost on the fact that this
Yes that's exactly what he was saying.... with the assumption that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
or with the assumption you don't know what I am talking about. I really see no need for your zealotry, unless I assume you aren't grown up enough to have a polite conversation when you disagree with someone.
For everyone else to do even some of the items of the list requires having access to the system before any software starts.
Which is exactly what you need to do when you are designing and building systems that do different things as opposed to being a user of system or focused on the desktop.
Let's just stop the speculation, and look at facts.
They are the operational facts of the devices in question.
The number of cases of brain cancer per 100,000 population simply has NOT increased since the introduction of cell phones. In fact, citing the site below...Using statistical models for analysis, rates for new brain and other nervous system cancer cases have been falling on average 0.2% each year over the last 10 years.
Thanks for the link, all that means is we have gotten better at isolating causes of brain cancer and avoiding them. It is not evidence about what will happen after habitually using a mobile phone after 20,30,40,50 or however many years. Nor is it evidence that mobile phones are or are not a *source* of brain cancer that has to be eliminated.
Do you have statistical evidence to the contrary?
Where did I claim it would cause brain cancer? I don't know what will happen to your brain if you expose it to microwave transmissions over time. I have experienced an RF burn in my hand from a 25watt transmitter and that was enough to cause me problems for a couple of weeks while it healed. Sure it was a different wavelength but enough to teach me a lesson about being careful around transmitters.
Go ask a rigger if they would do work around a high energy transmitter without adequate RF protection and then get back to me with what you find out.
If not, then you should stop spreading FUD.
What FUD? This is how mobile phone transmitter *works*. Go ahead and validate for errors in that if you wish as I will then correct my own knowledge.
"FUD" is often the cry of someone too mentally lazy to either verify information or have enough education to be able to reference relevant information.
These empty "cause I say so" statements are problematic because it denies people the opportunity to evaluate and discuss the facts for themselves, in this case people taking personal responsibility for their own health.
I've got no problem being corrected, if relevant information is available, however, if you have nothing to offer to correct the facts presented then all you are doing is whining about how these considerations impact your world view and complaining about your own ignorance and insecurities.
I've gone to the trouble of digesting the information if you don't have anything to speak to how those properties impact the rate or risk of brain cancer relative to the link you provided then all you are doing is communicating your assumptions.
Do you have anything specific to say about this information:
At approximately 2.4 Ghz the wavelength is roughly 13cm, which is about the width of a human head, so if you are within one wavelength your head will absorb a portion of the energy from the phone. At 60-180 degrees of the fresnel of transmission into the head, it can vary between >0% to 50% of the power output
other than:
Did Shatner whisper that in your ear when he came in your ass?
because it's getting to the point that I instantly interpret ad-hominem attacks as a vocal acceptance of my victory.
Are you saying Windows is better than *nix in this case?
No, I am saying that the people pushing systemd are lobotomising *nix to windows levels of functionality and those who realize this is bad don't like it.
Why do you think there no solid reasons for this new default.
What are they? I haven't seen a compelling reason to replace systemd and I am wondering what they are supposed to be. I have test machines with systemd running and spent time getting my head around unit files and jounalctl and I see reasons why it is worse and none that it is better that the existing initd paradigm.
It is justifiable why a lot of people are angry about such a change being forced upon them. systemd is replacing a lot of core knowledge people have about the behaviour of their systems and turning that knowledge into assumptions. There is nothing wrong with learning something new if people understand that there is a good reason for doing so, however people with alot of experiences are being told to accept this change because.
Instead what we have seen is a demonstrated *mis*understanding of the way initd works with vague justifications by those pushing systemd. The only solid justification I've seen is because the rc.d initialization scripts don't work that well - and they were Red Hat's idea in the first place and they neglect to use inittab features of initd properly.
The burden of effort is not on those who have spent their time learning how to use initd properly to prove why systemd is a bad change, the burden of effort is on those who think systemd is a good change and why it is worth voiding my existing investment in time to learn how to use it.
Also, consider the precedent it sets. Somoeone spends their time learning systemd and a few years later the maintainers say "you know what systemd was a bad idea, we really need to go back to the drawing board and do it again" and we are back to where we started from.
You have assumed the mantle of suggesting this change is a good idea, so are you able to suggest a use case that systemd covers that initd does not? What specific things is it that systemd does better that can't be achieved with initd?
Despite ongoing challenges, I am yet to see a use case presented that the existing initd system cannot handle if you take the time to understand how to use it properly.
I genuinely want to know why systemd is better than initd? As now I am being told that I'll have to make modifications to the way somethings that have worked for years. Do you systemd proponents actually have *any* experience on enterprise systems and how hard it is to get root access to modify these behaviors?
If you want systemd so badly - why don't you just make it a service of initd? Why are you guys, who cannot demonstrate you know any better, subjecting everyone to use this?
Not sure why the GP was marked as troll, it stated the problem very clearly, and the parent of this, nohup response is a very good, perhaps best response.
Exactly.
You should NOT leave user processes active post logout unless they are specifically declared as such,
nohup someProcess &
the ampersand *is* the specific declaration that you want the process to be active post logout, otherwise it does not survive the termination of the login session.
and even then there is room for argument that allowing a USER , not admin level process to run in absence of the user is bad practice.
Not at all. I have processes to run that are processing information when I leave to go home and I want to check it the next day when it has finished. If I did not have that option then my user session would have to remain logged in and that *is* recognized as bad security practice.
I think the big thing to remember is that humans are walking around making calls with a 1-3W microwave transmitter attached to the side of their head, rats don't. This may not be a lot of power however combined with human habit (left or right side exposure) it is certain to deliver a constant rate of microwave energy almost directly to the brain.
I've seen someone die from brain cancer and it's bad, so I think it's worth sharing a few things that make it simple to take personal responsibility for your own safety. First, it's your brain, so it is worth protecting as the most valued organ in the body and much more sensitive than the thigh or other large muscle groups or even a hand - so simple habit changes can reduce the risks, whatever they turn out to be.
Second, don't trust any information from any source that sponsored from an interest in mobile phone sales or use, we've all seen how the tobacco industry behave to protect their business model and revenue stream.
Once you are aware of the properties of the transmitter and the device it is simple to make minor changes to usage patterns that can also increase the usefullness of the device. At approximately 2.4 Ghz the wavelength is roughly 13cm, which is about the width of a human head, so if you are within one wavelength your head will absorb a portion of the energy from the phone. At 60-180 degrees of the fresnel of transmission into the head, it can vary between >0% to 50% of the power output.
If the device is pressed up against you will increase the rate of absorbtion due to inductance, this will also cause the device to increase the power output of the to maintain a clear signal, which consequently will increase the rate of exposure to the brain.
Another thing to factor is if the phone has a wi-fi transmitter operational while you are using it, as this will also contribute to increasing the rate of exposure as it is also a 2.4 Ghz transmitter.
For every wavelength away from your head the phone is this will reduce the exposure to your brain by increasing orders of magnitude. This might mean you choose to use speaker phone if you have a private moment, or to use the same headphone you are using for music to take the call. Additionally you may find that the battery life of the device is increased and you have less call dropouts as it is no longer increasing its signal output to overcome the effects of the capacitance from the water in your brain to maintain the call connection.
The long term effects from mobile use will vary however the properties and nature of the device are predictable enough to make simple, unobtrusive changes to usage patterns to avoid being someone who finds out if there is any the hard way. If it means your battery lasts longer, you appear more polite to people and you have better call quality while your use your phone this may be an unexpected benefit of erring on the cautious side.
I remember my teacher getting irritated with me when I realized that I could make the Logo turtle do really arbitrary shit. No one taught me how to do that, I just intuitively understood it.
You're amongst friends, I had similar experiences. I was playing around with electronics (via lab kits) by roughly age 7 then designing schematics and circuit boards by around 12. At that age my introduction to computers was because I implemented logic gates with transistors. The combination of electronics and computers was a wonderous combination for me as a kid.
However I wasn't supported by my school and even my parents didn't look on it as anything more than a hobby rather than serious career choice that required dedication and focus. I swept floors and saved everything I could to buy computers, kit and tools. The obstacles that had to be overcome so that I could do what I love, I think, are things that aren't recognized as valuable in many coders careers as I'm certain many here have similar stories. How do you teach that without taking it away?
I remember around 14 desperately wanting/needing an oscilliscope however I was never able to afford one. I still wonder how much further I would be now if I wasn't bullied for being a geek because I had to waste social time on doing menial tasks to make some money to buy resources that just wern't available at school. What if I could have borrowed that kit from the school's technology library? Maybe my parents would have seen how I use it and then could have justified buying me one.
Perhaps if these companies were sincere in this desire they could spend some of their revenues on tax to support such initiatives which would inevitabley be bought from them anyway.
We don't need more programmers, we need more natural born programmers. People that see the logic in programming as an art medium. People that derive genuine satisfaction from doing very interesting but very simple things with software.
Eloquently put. I'll add that forcing kids to attempt to code will just generate animosity in those who don't want to (or can't) and make them feel stupid, which will inevitablely manifest as bullying the kids who can to vent the inevitable frustration. Why not just support the ones who are interested and supply them with much better (often delicate) gear that won't be vandalized by the kids that aren't interested? That if you are good enough and aspire to it, you will be supported.
The thing about imbuing this mindset is that it recognizes that coding is as much a lesson in persistance and determination as it is logic and design. Not everyone is equipped with that passion and it's often the differences created in our personal journeys that produce unique innovations.
It was stupid legislation crafted by profoundly ignorant people.
You misspelled "malicious" there, sport. Both of these winners have been a cancer on The People from the beginning.
Malicious indeed dp, according to the draft of the Bill if it had passed so too would the meta-data rentention provisions casually obscured in the definition of "DATA" in Sec 4.5 to include "COMMUNICATIONS IDENTIFYING INFORMATION" defined in Sec 4.1.A-C.
Section 4.1 defined that to be "dialing, routing, adressing, switching, signaling, processing, transmitting and other data that", (A) was *not* the contents of the communication, (B) identifies the origin, destination, time, date, duration, termination or status of each communication generated, received or controlled by a user and (C - here is the kick in the balls) includes (C.i) public, local and source addressing including (C.i.I) local and public IP address, (C.i.II) static or dynamic ports. (C.ii) MAC, IMIE and network service identifiers used by each party, (C.iii) Service address identifiers used by each party (C.iv) QOS, packet size (C.v) all co-ordinated to UTC.
I doubt this is the last you have seen of an attempt to pass a meta-data retention Bill as there were simply no discussion about these provisions in this bill that I saw.
Another idiot that believes what fat people tell them.
You mean like the idealized versions of bodies we see in advertisements. You should really question your belief systems and try to uncover which version of photoshop they came from. Why is that any healthier?
Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph do you even know what that means?
Yep, breaking the laws of thermodynamics is fine because "everyone is different".
Humans aren't internal combustion engines with a stoichiometric ratios and mechanical inefficiencies that can be factored.
Their gut floras are magically grabbing calories out of thin air. Okay. He's the specialest snowflake that ever existed.
No, people's gut flora are different. He can change it if he chooses just like you can stop being a cunt if you choose to.
It's just a shame the taxpayers will be the ones shouldering the financial burden of keeping him alive so he can shovel more shit into his mouth for a while longer.
Well there are people out there like that and it is unhealthy, however that is a factor of the fast food and sugar industry spending billions of dollars on getting us to shovel that shit down our throats. If you eat that shit and drink those crap drinks you're every bit to blame for not being able to exert self control.
creimer is obviously functional because if he was morbidly obese he would barely be able to communicate and the evidence shows that this is not the case. In any case how does anything you say help people in that situation. If you were sincere you would be lobbying against the fast food industry for being able to advertise to children and I doubt you are doing that.
Slashdot always was a fat sympathizing group. Mostly because I believe a majority of you are fat fucks, yourselves.
I'm a purple belt in brazillian jui jitsu. My warm up is most people's work outs which is generally 2 hours of fighting a day 6 days a week, sometimes twice a day because I love it. I have abs that you can see and can do two finger pushups. I understand how ATP transaction in muscle work and I know I look good because of the way females look and interact with me.
Take a step back and try to see what is going on in the world Mr AC. I've told you about my experiences and taken the time to do so but all you can do is meet it with hostility. This suggests you probably have some issues of your own and are in self denial about it. At least this man is honest about his experiences and all I am saying is they are consistent with people I have met and trained with.
I suspect if you ever walked into a BJJ gym you would be folded into a cube and told to fuck off because you're coming across as a real asshole. Why don't you go focus on your own issues instead and try to make the world a better place.
I believe you. My brother is in the same situation and I am really fit. He used to exercise with me however I'm starting to come to the conclusion that the gut flora has a lot to do with the situation. Like him, you are probably really strong guy and exercise might be a little painful to get through. I eat full cream milk, cheese yoghurt, vegetables and fruit - I can't stand processes fast foods, but he eats them. You're probably one of those types of people that are hyper sensitive to fast foods - if you eat them at all dump them and let you instinct guide you to the fresh foods you like, learn some recipes you like and hack your gut flora by varying the yoghurt and cheeses.
Oh, beer, it's hurts to miss it, but it's a big one if you drink it for big guys like you. I don't think it's the carbs, I think it's the yeast.
Some people have trouble accepting a reality that varies from normal. Nothing in my life is normal.
Yeah, that's not cool. I can see why it would piss you off, especially when you are working so hard. My mate I train(ed) with weighs 140Kg, what that's roughly 260 odd pounds? He gets that too. When he strips down, he is still a big guy but the difference is I'm 85Kg at fight weigh and almost 90Kg off training. He is around 100Kg so he looses almost half my body mass. I can still choke him out, but once he paniced one day as I did and both our body weights landed on my shoulder and dislocated it. I think he apologized about 50 times but there certainly was never any animosity, after all we were friends and we both got something different out of it. I learned I can control a big guy like and overcome the intimidation and as he learned to control his power, he became lethal.
The difference between treated like an idiot in grade school and an adult in college was night and day.
Yeah, just ignore that stuff, humans are varied creatures and nature finds a balance. My concern for guys like you is you are probably susceptible to diabetes. If you don't mind me saying though, I can sense your frustration and I can't say I blame you. If weights and pissy aerobics aren't working for you go find a Brazillian Jui Jitsu school and start to train. They are humble guys and if you are too, they will welcome you as fighting you will be outside their comfort zone as well, you will make good friends that respect you. It's not easy, but I think you will like it - think 'body chess'!
I miss my big mate, I really wish he'd stuck with it for all the physio it cost me to train with him;) - Good luck to you!
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The stresses related to being poor.
Being poor, or merely slipping from really rich into only slightly less rich?
In the case of the US stratification of classes means there is only the ultra-rich and everyone else.
On a global scale, even "poor" Americans are rich. #First World Problems...
On a global scale that's 1% of the population with 40% of the worlds wealth and everyone else.
The stresses related to being poor.
Cool, thanks for the link - very interesting!
empathy: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this
From the nature of your comment, I suspect that people don't show you a lot of empathy and you are isolated.
I wouldn't describe the field of psychiatry and psychology as pseudo-scientific. They have been established science for a very long time. Just because it is outside your scope of experiences does not mean it does not exist.
I'd suggest that they are actually skilled in avoiding you. People who spend some time self-analysing understand when they are being an asshole.
Often this type of attitude is displayed by people who scream to be understood. Often they have problems of their own and aren't conscious of the way they act.
Certainly not. The honourable thing to do is not judge people and not interfere with them healing themselves.
Usually this person is the CEO.
A rather hypocritical position. You are imposing *your* drug use on others for pseudo-scientific reasons, i.e. your opinion. I doubt anyone wants to be chained to your bad coffee days and you are making the same excuses any other 'addict' makes.
Sure, anything above three squirts is as offensive as not wearing any at all. Imposing your body odour on others is just inconsiderate.
Probably because he is a professional.
Incorrect. Just because they are not the government does not mean they can do something that is illegal. They too are subject to the law.
Shakespeare was a playwrite, not a painter. It wasn't a call to authority it was a reference to evidence and it was put there to show that the post I was replying to was poorly thought out.
So if some guy gets caught parking his van behind an elementary school, and he's got duck tape, a bed and a puppy in back, you're just going to say, "No story here" because the cops make him move along?
Maybe he's looking for some ducks to tape getting fuct?
I am yet to see a use case presented that the existing initd system cannot handle if you take the time to understand how to use it properly.
The concept of event based management of processes dates back to the days of 10MB HDDs and is something that init can't manage, never was able to manage, and is the reason that many projects and attempts have been made to replace it.
I have already addressed this use case previously. There is no reason to force the rest of us into it, sufficient functionality can be derived from init for us all to be able to do what we need to do. You are blaming init for implementation issues.
As now I am being told that I'll have to make modifications to the way somethings that have worked for years.
For that you can blame the maintainers of your distribution. After all they are the ones who rolled out an update to you with a default blindly set from upstream despite it not being compatible with the way the rest of their system runs.
So this is an argument *for* systemd, blame someone else. Until this point I presumed that it's base functionality was static now you are telling me that not only does it turn existing knowledge into assumption its behaviour is inconsistent.
Basically you have just told me that systemd is worse than I thought it was as I've only been testing fedora. It is pretty clear to me that it is time to start reconsidering red hat's viability as a enterprise operating system. Thanks for the additional info.
Do you systemd proponents actually have *any* experience on enterprise systems and how hard it is to get root access to modify these behaviors?
You don't. Just either a) make sure the defaults are set to suit your use case, b) use the provided workaround that systemd offers you as a user, or c) use software that supports the process model (admittedly this will be the hardest option since it's out of your control).
Well, my experiences come from high performance computing environments so I'll share an alternate perspective.
I *want* init to be as simple as possible because I want to be able to isolate system behaviour. I do *not* want a monolithic process like systemd stealing context from my high performance processes. Lets say systemd generates a software interrupt or some other process on another core attached to it to generate logging I/O, wakes up its event manager, cron, networks or any other bit of functionality. In the scenario you describe not only do I have to do what you say, I'll also have to configure the cpu scheduler so it won't force minor page faults onto my process as it dumps my process from cpu cache to memory because systemd. You're saying that wading through systemctl and allocating CPUShares is a more logical choice than a lightweight process manager like init where I can leave that functionality disabled or simply isolate it it to a single core. As opposed to not quite having to care what initd is doing internally I *have* to know *everything* systemd is doing.
That's a lot of additional workload to make sure enterprise system behave as expected and it's apparent that systemd implements cgroups because it has to just to get back to what init did by design. I suspect there are going to be a lot of post incident reviews for those who don't account for this behaviour.
I've already considered the use case you cited and have performed a reverse analysis on the impact of systemd for my own use case so I'm pretty sure I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
If you want systemd so badly - why don't you just make it a service of initd?
The irony of recommending the exact thing that systemd was made to avoid is unfortunately lost on the fact that this
Yes that's exactly what he was saying .... with the assumption that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
or with the assumption you don't know what I am talking about. I really see no need for your zealotry, unless I assume you aren't grown up enough to have a polite conversation when you disagree with someone.
For everyone else to do even some of the items of the list requires having access to the system before any software starts.
Which is exactly what you need to do when you are designing and building systems that do different things as opposed to being a user of system or focused on the desktop.
Let's just stop the speculation, and look at facts.
They are the operational facts of the devices in question.
The number of cases of brain cancer per 100,000 population simply has NOT increased since the introduction of cell phones. In fact, citing the site below...Using statistical models for analysis, rates for new brain and other nervous system cancer cases have been falling on average 0.2% each year over the last 10 years.
http://seer.cancer.gov/statfac...
Thanks for the link, all that means is we have gotten better at isolating causes of brain cancer and avoiding them. It is not evidence about what will happen after habitually using a mobile phone after 20,30,40,50 or however many years. Nor is it evidence that mobile phones are or are not a *source* of brain cancer that has to be eliminated.
Do you have statistical evidence to the contrary?
Where did I claim it would cause brain cancer? I don't know what will happen to your brain if you expose it to microwave transmissions over time. I have experienced an RF burn in my hand from a 25watt transmitter and that was enough to cause me problems for a couple of weeks while it healed. Sure it was a different wavelength but enough to teach me a lesson about being careful around transmitters.
Go ask a rigger if they would do work around a high energy transmitter without adequate RF protection and then get back to me with what you find out.
If not, then you should stop spreading FUD.
What FUD? This is how mobile phone transmitter *works*. Go ahead and validate for errors in that if you wish as I will then correct my own knowledge.
"FUD" is often the cry of someone too mentally lazy to either verify information or have enough education to be able to reference relevant information. These empty "cause I say so" statements are problematic because it denies people the opportunity to evaluate and discuss the facts for themselves, in this case people taking personal responsibility for their own health.
I've got no problem being corrected, if relevant information is available, however, if you have nothing to offer to correct the facts presented then all you are doing is whining about how these considerations impact your world view and complaining about your own ignorance and insecurities.
I've gone to the trouble of digesting the information if you don't have anything to speak to how those properties impact the rate or risk of brain cancer relative to the link you provided then all you are doing is communicating your assumptions.
Do you have anything specific to say about this information:
other than:
Did Shatner whisper that in your ear when he came in your ass?
because it's getting to the point that I instantly interpret ad-hominem attacks as a vocal acceptance of my victory.
Are you saying Windows is better than *nix in this case?
No, I am saying that the people pushing systemd are lobotomising *nix to windows levels of functionality and those who realize this is bad don't like it.
Climate change will exist so long as there's money to be made from it.
Interesting.
All in all a great post of genuine concern by someone completely clueless and legitimately thinking they are helping by making shit up.
Is there anything specific you are referring too, or are you speaking to your assumptions?
Why do you think there no solid reasons for this new default.
What are they? I haven't seen a compelling reason to replace systemd and I am wondering what they are supposed to be. I have test machines with systemd running and spent time getting my head around unit files and jounalctl and I see reasons why it is worse and none that it is better that the existing initd paradigm.
It is justifiable why a lot of people are angry about such a change being forced upon them. systemd is replacing a lot of core knowledge people have about the behaviour of their systems and turning that knowledge into assumptions. There is nothing wrong with learning something new if people understand that there is a good reason for doing so, however people with alot of experiences are being told to accept this change because.
Instead what we have seen is a demonstrated *mis*understanding of the way initd works with vague justifications by those pushing systemd. The only solid justification I've seen is because the rc.d initialization scripts don't work that well - and they were Red Hat's idea in the first place and they neglect to use inittab features of initd properly.
The burden of effort is not on those who have spent their time learning how to use initd properly to prove why systemd is a bad change, the burden of effort is on those who think systemd is a good change and why it is worth voiding my existing investment in time to learn how to use it.
Also, consider the precedent it sets. Somoeone spends their time learning systemd and a few years later the maintainers say "you know what systemd was a bad idea, we really need to go back to the drawing board and do it again" and we are back to where we started from.
You have assumed the mantle of suggesting this change is a good idea, so are you able to suggest a use case that systemd covers that initd does not? What specific things is it that systemd does better that can't be achieved with initd?
Despite ongoing challenges, I am yet to see a use case presented that the existing initd system cannot handle if you take the time to understand how to use it properly.
I genuinely want to know why systemd is better than initd? As now I am being told that I'll have to make modifications to the way somethings that have worked for years. Do you systemd proponents actually have *any* experience on enterprise systems and how hard it is to get root access to modify these behaviors?
If you want systemd so badly - why don't you just make it a service of initd? Why are you guys, who cannot demonstrate you know any better, subjecting everyone to use this?
Not sure why the GP was marked as troll, it stated the problem very clearly, and the parent of this, nohup response is a very good, perhaps best response.
Exactly.
You should NOT leave user processes active post logout unless they are specifically declared as such,
the ampersand *is* the specific declaration that you want the process to be active post logout, otherwise it does not survive the termination of the login session.
and even then there is room for argument that allowing a USER , not admin level process to run in absence of the user is bad practice.
Not at all. I have processes to run that are processing information when I leave to go home and I want to check it the next day when it has finished. If I did not have that option then my user session would have to remain logged in and that *is* recognized as bad security practice.
I think the big thing to remember is that humans are walking around making calls with a 1-3W microwave transmitter attached to the side of their head, rats don't. This may not be a lot of power however combined with human habit (left or right side exposure) it is certain to deliver a constant rate of microwave energy almost directly to the brain.
I've seen someone die from brain cancer and it's bad, so I think it's worth sharing a few things that make it simple to take personal responsibility for your own safety. First, it's your brain, so it is worth protecting as the most valued organ in the body and much more sensitive than the thigh or other large muscle groups or even a hand - so simple habit changes can reduce the risks, whatever they turn out to be.
Second, don't trust any information from any source that sponsored from an interest in mobile phone sales or use, we've all seen how the tobacco industry behave to protect their business model and revenue stream.
Once you are aware of the properties of the transmitter and the device it is simple to make minor changes to usage patterns that can also increase the usefullness of the device. At approximately 2.4 Ghz the wavelength is roughly 13cm, which is about the width of a human head, so if you are within one wavelength your head will absorb a portion of the energy from the phone. At 60-180 degrees of the fresnel of transmission into the head, it can vary between >0% to 50% of the power output.
If the device is pressed up against you will increase the rate of absorbtion due to inductance, this will also cause the device to increase the power output of the to maintain a clear signal, which consequently will increase the rate of exposure to the brain.
Another thing to factor is if the phone has a wi-fi transmitter operational while you are using it, as this will also contribute to increasing the rate of exposure as it is also a 2.4 Ghz transmitter.
For every wavelength away from your head the phone is this will reduce the exposure to your brain by increasing orders of magnitude. This might mean you choose to use speaker phone if you have a private moment, or to use the same headphone you are using for music to take the call. Additionally you may find that the battery life of the device is increased and you have less call dropouts as it is no longer increasing its signal output to overcome the effects of the capacitance from the water in your brain to maintain the call connection.
The long term effects from mobile use will vary however the properties and nature of the device are predictable enough to make simple, unobtrusive changes to usage patterns to avoid being someone who finds out if there is any the hard way. If it means your battery lasts longer, you appear more polite to people and you have better call quality while your use your phone this may be an unexpected benefit of erring on the cautious side.
I remember my teacher getting irritated with me when I realized that I could make the Logo turtle do really arbitrary shit. No one taught me how to do that, I just intuitively understood it.
You're amongst friends, I had similar experiences. I was playing around with electronics (via lab kits) by roughly age 7 then designing schematics and circuit boards by around 12. At that age my introduction to computers was because I implemented logic gates with transistors. The combination of electronics and computers was a wonderous combination for me as a kid.
However I wasn't supported by my school and even my parents didn't look on it as anything more than a hobby rather than serious career choice that required dedication and focus. I swept floors and saved everything I could to buy computers, kit and tools. The obstacles that had to be overcome so that I could do what I love, I think, are things that aren't recognized as valuable in many coders careers as I'm certain many here have similar stories. How do you teach that without taking it away?
I remember around 14 desperately wanting/needing an oscilliscope however I was never able to afford one. I still wonder how much further I would be now if I wasn't bullied for being a geek because I had to waste social time on doing menial tasks to make some money to buy resources that just wern't available at school. What if I could have borrowed that kit from the school's technology library? Maybe my parents would have seen how I use it and then could have justified buying me one.
Perhaps if these companies were sincere in this desire they could spend some of their revenues on tax to support such initiatives which would inevitabley be bought from them anyway.
We don't need more programmers, we need more natural born programmers. People that see the logic in programming as an art medium. People that derive genuine satisfaction from doing very interesting but very simple things with software.
Eloquently put. I'll add that forcing kids to attempt to code will just generate animosity in those who don't want to (or can't) and make them feel stupid, which will inevitablely manifest as bullying the kids who can to vent the inevitable frustration. Why not just support the ones who are interested and supply them with much better (often delicate) gear that won't be vandalized by the kids that aren't interested? That if you are good enough and aspire to it, you will be supported.
The thing about imbuing this mindset is that it recognizes that coding is as much a lesson in persistance and determination as it is logic and design. Not everyone is equipped with that passion and it's often the differences created in our personal journeys that produce unique innovations.
It was stupid legislation crafted by profoundly ignorant people.
You misspelled "malicious" there, sport. Both of these winners have been a cancer on The People from the beginning.
Malicious indeed dp, according to the draft of the Bill if it had passed so too would the meta-data rentention provisions casually obscured in the definition of "DATA" in Sec 4.5 to include "COMMUNICATIONS IDENTIFYING INFORMATION" defined in Sec 4.1.A-C.
Section 4.1 defined that to be "dialing, routing, adressing, switching, signaling, processing, transmitting and other data that", (A) was *not* the contents of the communication, (B) identifies the origin, destination, time, date, duration, termination or status of each communication generated, received or controlled by a user and (C - here is the kick in the balls) includes (C.i) public, local and source addressing including (C.i.I) local and public IP address, (C.i.II) static or dynamic ports. (C.ii) MAC, IMIE and network service identifiers used by each party, (C.iii) Service address identifiers used by each party (C.iv) QOS, packet size (C.v) all co-ordinated to UTC.
I doubt this is the last you have seen of an attempt to pass a meta-data retention Bill as there were simply no discussion about these provisions in this bill that I saw.
It makes more sense to just maintain the existing dinosaur equipment until we can throw it away completely.
++insightful
Great info - thank you.
I'll just reset the combo lock to 8008 for them.
bu dum *tish* - nice one!
With 8 inch floppy disks and a 70s computer, it would have been 300 baud at best. So slow you can hear the characters.
Only a 300 baud modem is baud and bps exchangeable.
It probably has an acoustic coupler as well ;) and when they pick up the phone the modem tone says 'Do you want to play a game?'
Another idiot that believes what fat people tell them.
You mean like the idealized versions of bodies we see in advertisements. You should really question your belief systems and try to uncover which version of photoshop they came from. Why is that any healthier?
Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph do you even know what that means?
Yep, breaking the laws of thermodynamics is fine because "everyone is different".
Humans aren't internal combustion engines with a stoichiometric ratios and mechanical inefficiencies that can be factored.
Their gut floras are magically grabbing calories out of thin air. Okay. He's the specialest snowflake that ever existed.
No, people's gut flora are different. He can change it if he chooses just like you can stop being a cunt if you choose to.
It's just a shame the taxpayers will be the ones shouldering the financial burden of keeping him alive so he can shovel more shit into his mouth for a while longer.
Well there are people out there like that and it is unhealthy, however that is a factor of the fast food and sugar industry spending billions of dollars on getting us to shovel that shit down our throats. If you eat that shit and drink those crap drinks you're every bit to blame for not being able to exert self control.
creimer is obviously functional because if he was morbidly obese he would barely be able to communicate and the evidence shows that this is not the case. In any case how does anything you say help people in that situation. If you were sincere you would be lobbying against the fast food industry for being able to advertise to children and I doubt you are doing that.
Slashdot always was a fat sympathizing group. Mostly because I believe a majority of you are fat fucks, yourselves.
I'm a purple belt in brazillian jui jitsu. My warm up is most people's work outs which is generally 2 hours of fighting a day 6 days a week, sometimes twice a day because I love it. I have abs that you can see and can do two finger pushups. I understand how ATP transaction in muscle work and I know I look good because of the way females look and interact with me.
Take a step back and try to see what is going on in the world Mr AC. I've told you about my experiences and taken the time to do so but all you can do is meet it with hostility. This suggests you probably have some issues of your own and are in self denial about it. At least this man is honest about his experiences and all I am saying is they are consistent with people I have met and trained with.
I suspect if you ever walked into a BJJ gym you would be folded into a cube and told to fuck off because you're coming across as a real asshole. Why don't you go focus on your own issues instead and try to make the world a better place.
If this will be referred to as Windowsgate.
Why would I lie?
I believe you. My brother is in the same situation and I am really fit. He used to exercise with me however I'm starting to come to the conclusion that the gut flora has a lot to do with the situation. Like him, you are probably really strong guy and exercise might be a little painful to get through. I eat full cream milk, cheese yoghurt, vegetables and fruit - I can't stand processes fast foods, but he eats them. You're probably one of those types of people that are hyper sensitive to fast foods - if you eat them at all dump them and let you instinct guide you to the fresh foods you like, learn some recipes you like and hack your gut flora by varying the yoghurt and cheeses.
Oh, beer, it's hurts to miss it, but it's a big one if you drink it for big guys like you. I don't think it's the carbs, I think it's the yeast.
Some people have trouble accepting a reality that varies from normal. Nothing in my life is normal.
Yeah, that's not cool. I can see why it would piss you off, especially when you are working so hard. My mate I train(ed) with weighs 140Kg, what that's roughly 260 odd pounds? He gets that too. When he strips down, he is still a big guy but the difference is I'm 85Kg at fight weigh and almost 90Kg off training. He is around 100Kg so he looses almost half my body mass. I can still choke him out, but once he paniced one day as I did and both our body weights landed on my shoulder and dislocated it. I think he apologized about 50 times but there certainly was never any animosity, after all we were friends and we both got something different out of it. I learned I can control a big guy like and overcome the intimidation and as he learned to control his power, he became lethal.
The difference between treated like an idiot in grade school and an adult in college was night and day.
Yeah, just ignore that stuff, humans are varied creatures and nature finds a balance. My concern for guys like you is you are probably susceptible to diabetes. If you don't mind me saying though, I can sense your frustration and I can't say I blame you. If weights and pissy aerobics aren't working for you go find a Brazillian Jui Jitsu school and start to train. They are humble guys and if you are too, they will welcome you as fighting you will be outside their comfort zone as well, you will make good friends that respect you. It's not easy, but I think you will like it - think 'body chess'!
I miss my big mate, I really wish he'd stuck with it for all the physio it cost me to train with him ;) - Good luck to you!
Thanks for the link on Rickover. It was good reading that should be shared with all managers.
No problem - glad you enjoyed it.