I prefer being wrong in considering an embryo (at any stage) a human and oppose its destruction because if I am right then I would accept killing an innocent young life for the purpose of saving an older one or, even worse, for the purpose of eugenics.
Sorry, I thought you were the parent poster and you were trying to steer the debate to a religious talk about human soul.
I don't have a definition, but I am certain that a sperm and an egg is not a person. After that I just don't know. And I don't think anybody does. Therefore I prefer to be wrong in considering an embryo (at any stage) as a person than to accept the birth of an embryo with a set execution date for some "noble" purpose such as eugenics.
But I feel that they should not destroy embryos to achieve that goal. It may be perceived as OK according to the original article (``began to develop normally, but were destroyed within six days,,) but the destruction of an embryo was perceived as a murder according to a Pennsylvania judge who upheld fetal homicide law in the case of a woman who was charged with assault of a pregnant woman that resulted in the death of the 15-week-old fetus.
but people want to have their own children, and ensuring that they're healthy seems like a good thing to me... It would seem good to the ancient Spartans as well, so they were throwing unhealthy ones from a cliff. The poor ancient bastards didn't have the technology and scientific knowledge to kill the embryos themselves and avoid embarrassment.
I just had a look at the news section and I think slyck.com seems to be aware of two p2p networks only: Bittorrent and Limewire (not generally Gnutella, just Limewire).
The only time Slyck mentioned eMule was when he questioned the reasoning of Sourceforge in awarding eMule as the "Best New Project" of 2007. He didn't mention eMule at the title of the article of course.
There is also another reason; 99% of my browsing relies on Firefox, but for the rest 1% (some banking sites that require activeX) Firefox is not an option. And when Firefox is not an option, the site developer developer developer developer is an ass. And when the developer developer developer developer is an ass, he is not to be trusted in supporting the latest software (even in MS products) so I feel safer with IE6.
I don't think it's a case of with us or against us. It is natural that open source will always lag in fields where few creative minds (graphic artists, musicians etc) are required to work full time in a tight schedule (as it is in games) and it will excel when many developers can contribute even a little code on a project. That said, I need to understand why allowing one to use open source code would also convince them to release some of theirs.
It is diverting, Per Wigren, that your only reasoning on calling my argument stupid is that you have capitalized "is". And regarding logical fallacies, you also tried to poison the well with your reference on the Bible: along with "it's our duty", that did bring a smile, thanks:)
Because 14-day-old embryos have such well-developed nervous systems that they can appreciate (nevermind even "experience") pain?
So, it is not cruel when one does not "appreciate" or "experience" pain? You could then sedate a person to the point of being incapable of doing either in order to morally kill them?
But the goddamned fundies don't seem inclined to let us use the numerous extra embryos from human fertility therapies
Uggh, I saw this article on slashdot and I couldn't even finish half of it before I closed it in disgust.
I can't believe this trash made the front page of Slashdot. The comments there are quite disgusting, too.
Uh,/. is trash. Quite enjoyable trash, yes. But still trash. Men read FHM, women read tabloids, nerds read slashdot.
Not only do nerds read Slashdot, they continue to do so a full five years after they claim it sold out and replaced competent editing with monkeys.
It seems that Slashdot serves them right when they spam, but for some reason they hold a grudge against it. BTW, does that forum have any rules against flaming? My own parent post has been modded as a flamebait by many moderators and I can feel their reasoning. It does border with flamebait.
But has anyone warned all those H.A. jerks against flaming another forum? It seems that as long you guys keep your bullying aimed at the designated targets nobody is going to moderate you, in Hydrogen Audio.
Heed my warnings, enlist the power of Prayer and when the temptation of the big ``M,, is strong, yell "Oh Yeah" and get at it! In the words of the Shapostle I depart:
Make way for the hairless and bloated one. For his ego is great and his talents few...
I would suggest against participating in elitist forums like Hydrogenaudio. The regulars there have a history of posting "charade" ABX tests in order to ridicule participants. One of them, Roberto Amorim, has gone as far as suggesting that the site of a Hydrogenaudio bullied target should be defaced. People like the guy who posted the opinion (look below) ``It amazes me how many of the LP's I own still sound better than the CD versions,, would be considered trolls and they would have been kicked out of the forum.
Don't waste time with people who wasted their youth in posting thousands of messages on audio opinion -- you are not responsible of their (obvious and critical) personal issues.
Slashdot Mirror
I can think of Siberia: after finishing the first part of the game I felt like I had finished reading a great novel.
Which ones on this list http://www.av-comparatives.org/ do you have in mind ?
Or (to make it easier for you) which ones have you not ?
I prefer being wrong in considering an embryo (at any stage) a human and oppose its destruction because if I am right then I would accept killing an innocent young life for the purpose of saving an older one or, even worse, for the purpose of eugenics.
Sorry, I thought you were the parent poster and you were trying to steer the debate to a religious talk about human soul.
I don't have a definition, but I am certain that a sperm and an egg is not a person. After that I just don't know. And I don't think anybody does. Therefore I prefer to be wrong in considering an embryo (at any stage) as a person than to accept the birth of an embryo with a set execution date for some "noble" purpose such as eugenics.
I really don't know if people have a soul, but you said that embryos are not people and I asked you to explain when they become people.
Are you going to reply or not?
When do they become people ?
Clueless; sperm dies all the time, you don't have to masturbate. And sperms are not embryos.
You can't slipstream service packs in Vista.
I didn't write that Slyck is anti-eMule. I wrote that he is pro-Limewire.
I just had a look at the news section and I think slyck.com seems to be aware of two p2p networks only: Bittorrent and Limewire (not generally Gnutella, just Limewire).
The only time Slyck mentioned eMule was when he questioned the reasoning of Sourceforge in awarding eMule as the "Best New Project" of 2007. He didn't mention eMule at the title of the article of course.
Not that a juggernaut like eMule needs Slyck, but smaller open source projects like Gnucleus did and Tom almost never said a word about them. He was too busy advertising Limewire for his buddies.
It's not just me. Some customers have bank accounts in banks supporting IE only and and it's easier for them to cash on the same bank.
There is also another reason; 99% of my browsing relies on Firefox, but for the rest 1% (some banking sites that require activeX) Firefox is not an option. And when Firefox is not an option, the site developer developer developer developer is an ass. And when the developer developer developer developer is an ass, he is not to be trusted in supporting the latest software (even in MS products) so I feel safer with IE6.
I don't think it's a case of with us or against us. It is natural that open source will always lag in fields where few creative minds (graphic artists, musicians etc) are required to work full time in a tight schedule (as it is in games) and it will excel when many developers can contribute even a little code on a project. That said, I need to understand why allowing one to use open source code would also convince them to release some of theirs.
Which means GPL'ed applications will be more competitive for they will use the magnificent library instead.
It is diverting, Per Wigren, that your only reasoning on calling my argument stupid is that you have capitalized "is". And regarding logical fallacies, you also tried to poison the well with your reference on the Bible: along with "it's our duty", that did bring a smile, thanks :)
So, it is not cruel when one does not "appreciate" or "experience" pain? You could then sedate a person to the point of being incapable of doing either in order to morally kill them?
I wish you were such an embryo.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t56797.html
It seems that Slashdot serves them right when they spam, but for some reason they hold a grudge against it. BTW, does that forum have any rules against flaming? My own parent post has been modded as a flamebait by many moderators and I can feel their reasoning. It does border with flamebait.
But has anyone warned all those H.A. jerks against flaming another forum? It seems that as long you guys keep your bullying aimed at the designated targets nobody is going to moderate you, in Hydrogen Audio.
I am so happy to meet a fellow Shatnerologist in the hallowed grounds of Slashdot...
Moderators, be warned: by NOT modding parent as funny may cause you to:
1) Have nightmares of bald Kirks in your sleep (though these may be excorsiced by following the preaches and sermons of the FCOS)
2) Grow large soft pimply buttocks!
3) Be transformed to a ``Gdank,,
Heed my warnings, enlist the power of Prayer and when the temptation of the big ``M,, is strong, yell "Oh Yeah" and get at it! In the words of the Shapostle I depart:
Make way for the hairless and bloated one. For his ego is great and his talents few...
If you intend to mod the above, please have a look at this:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t13193.html
and this:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t132.html
See how these people are trying to manipulate Slashdot moderation just to regurgirate their spam.
I would suggest against participating in elitist forums like Hydrogenaudio. The regulars there have a history of posting "charade" ABX tests in order to ridicule participants. One of them, Roberto Amorim, has gone as far as suggesting that the site of a Hydrogenaudio bullied target should be defaced. People like the guy who posted the opinion (look below) ``It amazes me how many of the LP's I own still sound better than the CD versions,, would be considered trolls and they would have been kicked out of the forum.
Don't waste time with people who wasted their youth in posting thousands of messages on audio opinion -- you are not responsible of their (obvious and critical) personal issues.
yes, I stand corrected.
This communication system was used in the late Roman/Byzantine empire I think.