Perhaps someone should call the attention of the major credit card groups to this stupidity of putting an ATM on a public network -
What's really funny is watching people pontificate on web forums as if the Major Credit Card Groups don't already have a robust security analysis team in place.
Does anybody really think random-slashdot-user is right that the Credit Card companies are totally shields-down on this matter??
(whoops, that hasn't been the case in numerous instances recently)
editing, at least some level of peer review
(in an echo chamber of fellow journalists with common political views)
, etc...all to establish some credibility for what's reported.
For a decade or two that's been the case. It's a historic abberation, however. For most of the history of journalism, 'reporters' started out as copy boys. 'Professional journalism' is a recent academic fabrication.
Rest assured, Mark Twain likely wouldn't even allow the current species of 'professional journalist' into his house.
In the modern age of the web, the title 'journalist' is bestowed on an individual by a peer-process. In other words, once you've gotten enough people to listen to you, you're defacto a journalist. The old 'gateway' process by which big media conglomerates controlled the defintion of who is a 'journalist' is obsolete.
It scares the wits out of a bunch of people. And it pisses off a bunch of people who earned their creds 'the old way' (by asskissing their way up the hierarchy.)
This is how real journalists get press passes, by the way - they join the associations, which check their credentials, and issue passes.
"Citizen, may we see your papers?"
This is fundamentally a free speech issue, one in which the erosion of the old stodgy 'professional journalist' class, which is trying to claw it's way back up the cliff, gets questioned by the rest of us.
The people who put up these blogs become journalists by virtue of their readership. What distinguishes them from random-dude-posts-a-comment-in-html is that the community (us, we the people) have defined them as journalists.
That's a far more valuable 'endorsement' than some fricking wallpaper from a J-school. (the old saying is "when you get thrown out of the English Department, transfer to J-school.")
A bunch of us who have been 'hackers' and 'geeks' for decades have consistenly hated Apple since the 'sealed box' 'hacker-proof' first generation Macintosh.
(yes, Jobs specifically lauded the 'hacker proof' nature of the Macintosh in early product announcements. He specifically was talking about the 'good' kind of hacker, i.e. people with screwdrivers)
The last time I used ed was because I found myself dumped into single-user on a boot of NetBSD and was forced to edit a few files in/etc before it would let me proceed.
Still, it's a useful skill to have some skill with ed. You might find yourself in a remote connection to a machine where you don't have enough cursor control on your terminal to run vi, and absolutely NEED to use ed.
Yes, but none of us could afford a UNIX machine 35 years ago. My oldest UNIX machine is one that cost like $15,000 when it was new (back when I didn't own it.)
It was so much cooler to own the hardware, and not have to log onto a timesharing system to get access.
Almost all text input on the UNIX operating system is done with the text-editor ed. This memorandum is a tutorial guide to help beginners get started with text editing.
Finally, something DOS did that Unix does and Windows bloody well aught to (at least, better than it does). You could turn a directory into a virtual drive, or a drive into a virtual directory.
The subst command still works. At least it does on my Windows 2000 system. I just tried it.
Why would you want some awful drag-n-drop function for Windows? The exact command you used with MS_DOS still works.
I'm a CP/M licensee. I have the original box, manual, and diskettes.
I don't have source code.
There was probably a source license that you refer to, that a few interests had licensed. It was NOT common to have the source code to CP/M.
It WAS common to have to write some code to bootstrap your purchased CP/M to get it running on your 8080/Z-80 system, but that's because there wasn't a common established BIOS like later on the PC. Not at ALL the same thing as having all the source for the OS.
There are third party closed-source drivers available for Linux.
You're correct that the Linux ABI is very unstable, and that vendors who don't want to release the source code for their Linux drivers have to frequently recompile and release new binary drivers.
The original discussion was about DOS drivers, and DOS is NOT a microkernel. It's really not much of a kernel at all. Just a very barebones program loader that can be told to get completely out of memory.
if Microsoft hadn't deliberately written incompatibilities into certain software packages considered important in the DOS days..
It's more likely that you will find poorly coded third-party applications that make use of shortcuts which will 'break' on your DOS clone.
DOS was both a 'captive market' and a 'millstone of compatabilty' for Microsoft. Windows still is to this day (well-written MS-DOS apps run admirably well on Windows 2000, though Microsoft wishes they didn't have to make sure they do, and in fact they've publicly declared at this point they don't care anymore)
There was a period of time in the late 90's when you could download the source code for DR-DOS for free. I am not certain that it's still available. It's tucked away here somewhere on a CDROM...
I suspect if you're serious about wanting a DOS that is open source, you're better off using FreeDOS.
I used CP/M on my Xerox 820. Double sided double density 8" floppy drives.
I still have it for my Kaypro 2 system. It still works.
I have CP/M-86 installed on my Kaypro 16 system. I haven't installed the 'patch' that allows CP/M-86 to have larger than 4 meg hard drive partitions, though. There's a modern community of people who use and maintain CP/M-86, and there are abandonware sites where you can get apps for it.
There's a Usenet group (comp.os.cpm) for CP/M users that is still active today.
Instead, DRI and IBM agreed to offer customers a choice of either DOS or CP/M when buying the original IBM PC (no OS was pre-installed).
On the first generation IBM-PC, no OS was pre-installed, because all the system had was one or more (optional floppy diskettes). And that isn't even correct, because if you bought an IBM-PC with no floppy disk drives (and no floppy controller) it would boot directly into ROM BASIC and you could load and save your programs onto a Cassette Recorder.
This behavior of the PC continued all the way to the end of the 8088 machines. Power up any 'real' IBM PC-XT with no boot diskette in the drive and it throws you to a BASIC prompt, very similar to what a Commodore 64 does.
As to the cost, IBM did sell an OEM bundle of CP/M-86. But my boxed original copy of CP/M-86 is a direct Digital Research product, not a rebranded copy from IBM. If Kildahl wanted, he could have priced that boxed set at whatever he needed to compete with IBM. I'm pretty sure PC-DOS was significantly more than $40, BTW... Probably at least twice that.
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He has a star after his name. You don't think _Apple_ might have paid for that account, do you?
HP wants it to be their next standard desktop
Sun has already done so.
Linus Torvalds has repeated stated "World Domination" as a goal of Linux based systems. There's a start for you.
Linus has a great sense of humor. It's a shame more people don't.
I have this optimistic (probably not realistic) hope that as software gets better, it should run faster on older hardware.
I'm 'not being realistic' I know. But Linux used to run better and faster on hardware that wasn't 'up to snuff' to run Redmond's newest bloatware.
How and when that changed needs to be examined.
Sometimes it's good trying new things. But when you're talking about REPLACING EXISTING PRODUCTS... please.
It's _always_ good trying new things. No Office Suite will replace Microsoft's Office by breathing Microsoft's tailpipe fumes.
It's up in the air when and what will replace Microsoft's Office.
One thing for certain is it won't ever be something that just tries to be 'as good' as MS Office.
Durn it. What happened to Python, and FORTRAN?
I won't even mention my yearning for OpenMacroPascal.org.
Perhaps someone should call the attention of the major credit card groups to this stupidity of putting an ATM on a public network -
What's really funny is watching people pontificate on web forums as if the Major Credit Card Groups don't already have a robust security analysis team in place.
Does anybody really think random-slashdot-user is right that the Credit Card companies are totally shields-down on this matter??
Hiding the code just makes things harder for the good guys.
Your assumption that there is a big band of 'good guys' who spend their nights poring over the source code for ATM applications is laughable.
As is your suggestion that the ATM vendors would happily accept patches from said imaginary band of 'good guys.'
Face it, the Open Source religion works in certain spheres only.
Real journalism requires fact checking,
(whoops, that hasn't been the case in numerous instances recently)
editing, at least some level of peer review
(in an echo chamber of fellow journalists with common political views)
, etc...all to establish some credibility for what's reported.
For a decade or two that's been the case. It's a historic abberation, however. For most of the history of journalism, 'reporters' started out as copy boys. 'Professional journalism' is a recent academic fabrication.
Rest assured, Mark Twain likely wouldn't even allow the current species of 'professional journalist' into his house.
You may want to check out some new products that Apple is making.
Very good. You only provided links to approved web pages on the Apple corporate server.
Do you get another of those little apple stickers on your monitor now?
In the modern age of the web, the title 'journalist' is bestowed on an individual by a peer-process. In other words, once you've gotten enough people to listen to you, you're defacto a journalist. The old 'gateway' process by which big media conglomerates controlled the defintion of who is a 'journalist' is obsolete.
It scares the wits out of a bunch of people. And it pisses off a bunch of people who earned their creds 'the old way' (by asskissing their way up the hierarchy.)
But the only thing to say is 'too bad.'
This is how real journalists get press passes, by the way - they join the associations, which check their credentials, and issue passes.
"Citizen, may we see your papers?"
This is fundamentally a free speech issue, one in which the erosion of the old stodgy 'professional journalist' class, which is trying to claw it's way back up the cliff, gets questioned by the rest of us.
The people who put up these blogs become journalists by virtue of their readership. What distinguishes them from random-dude-posts-a-comment-in-html is that the community (us, we the people) have defined them as journalists.
That's a far more valuable 'endorsement' than some fricking wallpaper from a J-school. (the old saying is "when you get thrown out of the English Department, transfer to J-school.")
A bunch of us who have been 'hackers' and 'geeks' for decades have consistenly hated Apple since the 'sealed box' 'hacker-proof' first generation Macintosh.
(yes, Jobs specifically lauded the 'hacker proof' nature of the Macintosh in early product announcements. He specifically was talking about the 'good' kind of hacker, i.e. people with screwdrivers)
The real irony here is that until the Microsoft antitrust case, they hardly donated a cent to political parties.
There isn't that much irony. On a certain level, the whole anti-trust case was a bureaucratic shakedown of Microsoft.
The last time I used ed was because I found myself dumped into single-user on a boot of NetBSD and was forced to edit a few files in /etc before it would let me proceed.
Still, it's a useful skill to have some skill with ed. You might find yourself in a remote connection to a machine where you don't have enough cursor control on your terminal to run vi, and absolutely NEED to use ed.
That, and ed is cool, etc. etc.
Yes, but none of us could afford a UNIX machine 35 years ago. My oldest UNIX machine is one that cost like $15,000 when it was new (back when I didn't own it.)
It was so much cooler to own the hardware, and not have to log onto a timesharing system to get access.
Read the ed man page sometime. In fact, learn to USE ed. It's a decent editor, actually.
There's a good guide for it written by Brian Kernighan in the USD (one of the volumes of the BSD Manual set.) See here (A Tutorial Introduction to the UNIX Text Editor) for a PDF copy.
Short excerpt:
Finally, something DOS did that Unix does and Windows bloody well aught to (at least, better than it does). You could turn a directory into a virtual drive, or a drive into a virtual directory.
The subst command still works. At least it does on my Windows 2000 system. I just tried it.
Why would you want some awful drag-n-drop function for Windows? The exact command you used with MS_DOS still works.
I'm a CP/M licensee. I have the original box, manual, and diskettes.
I don't have source code.
There was probably a source license that you refer to, that a few interests had licensed. It was NOT common to have the source code to CP/M.
It WAS common to have to write some code to bootstrap your purchased CP/M to get it running on your 8080/Z-80 system, but that's because there wasn't a common established BIOS like later on the PC. Not at ALL the same thing as having all the source for the OS.
There are third party closed-source drivers available for Linux.
You're correct that the Linux ABI is very unstable, and that vendors who don't want to release the source code for their Linux drivers have to frequently recompile and release new binary drivers.
The original discussion was about DOS drivers, and DOS is NOT a microkernel. It's really not much of a kernel at all. Just a very barebones program loader that can be told to get completely out of memory.
An earlier mascot for Linux was the platypus.
It made for a cooler logo, IMHO.
if Microsoft hadn't deliberately written incompatibilities into certain software packages considered important in the DOS days..
It's more likely that you will find poorly coded third-party applications that make use of shortcuts which will 'break' on your DOS clone.
DOS was both a 'captive market' and a 'millstone of compatabilty' for Microsoft. Windows still is to this day (well-written MS-DOS apps run admirably well on Windows 2000, though Microsoft wishes they didn't have to make sure they do, and in fact they've publicly declared at this point they don't care anymore)
There was a period of time in the late 90's when you could download the source code for DR-DOS for free. I am not certain that it's still available. It's tucked away here somewhere on a CDROM...
I suspect if you're serious about wanting a DOS that is open source, you're better off using FreeDOS.
I used CP/M on my Xerox 820. Double sided double density 8" floppy drives.
I still have it for my Kaypro 2 system. It still works.
I have CP/M-86 installed on my Kaypro 16 system. I haven't installed the 'patch' that allows CP/M-86 to have larger than 4 meg hard drive partitions, though. There's a modern community of people who use and maintain CP/M-86, and there are abandonware sites where you can get apps for it.
There's a Usenet group (comp.os.cpm) for CP/M users that is still active today.
Instead, DRI and IBM agreed to offer customers a choice of either DOS or CP/M when buying the original IBM PC (no OS was pre-installed).
On the first generation IBM-PC, no OS was pre-installed, because all the system had was one or more (optional floppy diskettes). And that isn't even correct, because if you bought an IBM-PC with no floppy disk drives (and no floppy controller) it would boot directly into ROM BASIC and you could load and save your programs onto a Cassette Recorder.
This behavior of the PC continued all the way to the end of the 8088 machines. Power up any 'real' IBM PC-XT with no boot diskette in the drive and it throws you to a BASIC prompt, very similar to what a Commodore 64 does.
As to the cost, IBM did sell an OEM bundle of CP/M-86. But my boxed original copy of CP/M-86 is a direct Digital Research product, not a rebranded copy from IBM. If Kildahl wanted, he could have priced that boxed set at whatever he needed to compete with IBM. I'm pretty sure PC-DOS was significantly more than $40, BTW... Probably at least twice that.