First one has to ask why one "rather large" organization would even entrust it's confidential documents in the first place to another rather large organization which makes its living based solely on the looking at the contents of one's emails, searches, web browsing habits and documents just to deliver advertising.
They don't do this when you get a corporate or institutional account with Google. The company/university pays for the services, and there is no advertising or data-mining.
I honestly don't think any web-based document system will can compete with MS Office (desktop version).
Have you heard of this thing called the World Wide Web? It is a web-based document system that has quite a few more users than MS Office does. It's even available on the internet!
Slashdot posts aren't modded up for correctness or popularity. They're modded up for being interesting and well-communicated.
That's only occasionally correct. Sometimes they are. But plenty of times I've seen borderline incoherent and incorrect posts that are also uninteresting modded up. The fact is that it often is a popularity contest. Particularly on certain topics, if you're on the right side of the groupthink, you can write absolute drivel and get modded up. Conversely, if you're on the wrong side of the groupthink, it doesn't matter how interesting or eloquent your point is, you will be modded down.
Not that I care about mod-points personally. Just pointing out that it often works in very bizarre ways, and not always along quality lines.
$600 for an Amiga 500 with drive is expensive? Hardly. That's only a little higher than the Commodore 64 + 1541's cost, and that was the lowest-priced computer of its day.
When did I say they were expensive? I was making the opposite argument.
The first Mac's audio was better than that, but not by much. It was inferior to the C64's SID, and I certainly didn't sit around listening to music on the ancient Mac like I did with my C64.
But in your post on another thread, you claimed they only made beeps, which is patently false.
So you openly propose oppression and suppression of free speech is a good thing. Free speech is good 'in theory' but not in practice.
No. Where did I ever say that? My point was simply that it doesn't always work that way. I never said I opposed freedom of speech, just that it doesn't always work for the best. But it's still better than not allowing freedom of speech.
You do know that Apple sits on the steering committee for this REACT taskforce?
Yeah, so what? How does this make it Apple's private police force? Are you saying that Apple shouldn't be allowed to file complaints to the police because it happens to be a part of the steering committee?
Do you even know what a "steering committee" is? It doesn't mean they get to order cops around or get preferential treatment.
You think that's bad? Imagine what happens when the powers that be find out, that about 49% of the population have the tools needed to rape women?
Only 49%? I would think that close to 100% of the population has the tools needed to rape women. Most people have hands, fingers, feet, tongues, etc. Of those who don't, they would have access to objects that could be used for the purpose. You'd practically have to be in a coma to not have tools of rape.
Not only that, but by allowing them to express their views openly we can confront them with the facts instead of letting them fester underground.
In theory yes, but as we see on slashdot, ignorant people with incorrect facts are often celebrated by the community with up-modding, while those who try to counter with facts and logic are down-modded.
It works similarly outside of slashdot, in politics and society in general, the person with the loudest voice is often the victor, despite the faults in their argument.
As a matter of fact, Oprah has Rugbrød flown in straight from Denmark for her breakfast (google Oprah, Rugbrød, and check the Danish-press articles. I couldn't find a decent English one).
But that doesn't mean she's trying to show how edgy and different she is. Maybe she just really likes it? There's a difference between being a foodie and eating food to make a statement.
The point of such behavior: what we eat is the primary social differentiators.
Why would Oprah need anything to differentiate herself? She has a fuckton of money more than the average person, and is one of the most influential people in America. She doesn't need to prove herself by trying to be different.
But the ability to serve sushi, and to eat it, indicates belonging to a social group of wealthy, educated elites.
Oh bullshit, even middle-class people in the US can afford fine sushi. Hell, I make it from scratch, and it can cost less than what people typically spend on a fast-food meal for the family.
That's also why in the US, they make sickly sweet "blush" wines and overoaked chardonnays: Americans associated drinking wine with bourgeois status, but many don't like the taste.
Again, they buy them because they prefer the taste. It has little to do with social status. Nobody seriously links drinking wine with sophistication anymore.
Women were pretty much the first programmers, for example working in cryptography to decode Nazi transmissions in WWII. Then of course, there's Ada Lovelace, considered the world's first programmer, and who had a vision of programming which went beyond others.
You could slide each screen down by grabbing the bar at the top of the screen with your mouse, to reveal those beneath. So at times, and quite commonly, you would have different visible parts of your monitor displaying parts of screens with different resolutions (and, if I recall correctly, their own color depths as well).
That really was super-cool. I believe you are correct about the different color depths, too. There was just something compelling about that mechanism, it was like peeking behind a curtain to see backstage, perhaps? Maybe the youngsters would say it would be like seeing the matrix or something. It just had this incredible fluidity to it. Editing a document or program, and want to take a peek at how your 3D render in the background is going? Oooh... nice, just 8 more hours to go, looking good so far.
People in the Netherlands, northern Germany, and Scandinavia eat raw herring and have done so for ages -- it's a delicacy.
I probably should have narrowed my scope to "the English-speaking Western World" but that doesn't quite work either. Lacking another meaningful category, let's just say Britain, America, Australia, etc. The white trash countries, basically.
Also, I wouldn't quite put things like oily fish, caviar and oysters in the same category as sushi (although they are used as ingredients in sushi). They're a lot more meat-like and strongly-flavored than things like white fish served raw.
Anyway - I was just talking about a general misconception among people who were pretty ignorant about world cuisine to begin with. The finer details don't matter much. I don't think the people saying "ewww, raw fish" were exactly eating steak tartare to begin with. But these days, that same sort of person might be deciding between KFC and sushi at their local mall.
They weren't cheaper than the 8 bit computers of their day, but then they weren't 8 bit computers.
Actually, if I recall correctly, there was a time when Amigas cost less than the Apple IIe. They certainly weren't expensive compared to Macs and IBM PCs.
The Amiga had four channel, stereo sound compared to the bleeps and bloops of PCs and Macs,
Arrgh, this is the second time in the last 24 hours that somebody has claimed that Macs only made beeping sounds. It's just not true. From the very first Mac they had audio. Not as good as an Amiga's, but certainly not "bleeps and bloops." You could even get sound digitizers for them.
What's more baffling is how people make this claim, when at the very launch of the original, the unveiling on-stage with Steve Jobs, the Mac introduced itself with speech synthesis. This was a very famous event in personal computer history! So, I'm not really sure where this misconception comes from.
Eating meat raw has always been a sign of unsophistication in Western culture.
As the other reply notes - Steak Tartare and Carpaccio have long been considered at the heights of sophisticated Western dining.
Sushi became popular exactly because of this - by rejecting our own culture and embracing an alien one, you show how sophisticated and different you are from the masses. In addition, the high cost (in the 80s anyway) kept the morons out.
I don't buy this argument. Firstly, it contradicts itself - if you are eating a certain food just to show how different you are, doesn't that make you a moron? So if this were the case, wouldn't it be keeping the morons in?
I think there's a much simpler explanation - Globalization exposed people to different foreign cultures, and sushi is delicious. Over time, foreign foods become normalized. In the 1980s, there just weren't very many sushi restaurants outside of Japan, so few people got exposed to it. I very much doubt that most customers ate it simply to be snobby or different.
So what would be your current day example of such behavior? I mean, you don't see people going to, say, Danish restaurants and acting "oh, look how edgy and different I am eating this food that hardly anybody eats!"
That's actually an insightful analogy on more levels than was probably intended. There was a time in the Western world, before sushi had ascended to its current status, that it was much easier to sell fish & chips than it was to sell sushi. People were actually grossed out by the idea - "Raw fish? Ewwww. Plus it's ethnic food!"
So, the decision to market it as fried fish or sushi was not so clear-cut in the 1980s. Nobody really knew what to make of the home computer market. It was a quirky world that could have become anything, and monumental marketing/strategy blunders were commonplace. Although there's little that can top the hilarity of an earlier era's bizarre attempt at marketing computers.
What are you referring to here? Apple hasn't even released a public statement about the issue. All they did was report it to the police, who then investigated.
And if you really don't like this abuse of privilege by Jobs,
Exactly what "abuse of privilege" by Jobs are you referring to? As far as I can tell, the only thing Jobs has to do with this is receiving an email from Gizmodo.
Including Steve Jobs, the guy who created his own 'police force' and raided a guy's house
What the fuck? Steve did not have the house raided, the actual official police force did. It was not "Steve's own police force" - where do you people get this shit from? I can't work out if your deliberately lying, or just ignorant.
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First one has to ask why one "rather large" organization would even entrust it's confidential documents in the first place to another rather large organization which makes its living based solely on the looking at the contents of one's emails, searches, web browsing habits and documents just to deliver advertising.
They don't do this when you get a corporate or institutional account with Google. The company/university pays for the services, and there is no advertising or data-mining.
I honestly don't think any web-based document system will can compete with MS Office (desktop version).
Have you heard of this thing called the World Wide Web? It is a web-based document system that has quite a few more users than MS Office does. It's even available on the internet!
Google has too many half-assed projects it cannot or doesn't fully support.
So, exactly the same as Microsoft, then?
Slashdot posts aren't modded up for correctness or popularity. They're modded up for being interesting and well-communicated.
That's only occasionally correct. Sometimes they are. But plenty of times I've seen borderline incoherent and incorrect posts that are also uninteresting modded up. The fact is that it often is a popularity contest. Particularly on certain topics, if you're on the right side of the groupthink, you can write absolute drivel and get modded up. Conversely, if you're on the wrong side of the groupthink, it doesn't matter how interesting or eloquent your point is, you will be modded down.
Not that I care about mod-points personally. Just pointing out that it often works in very bizarre ways, and not always along quality lines.
$600 for an Amiga 500 with drive is expensive? Hardly. That's only a little higher than the Commodore 64 + 1541's cost, and that was the lowest-priced computer of its day.
When did I say they were expensive? I was making the opposite argument.
The first Mac's audio was better than that, but not by much. It was inferior to the C64's SID, and I certainly didn't sit around listening to music on the ancient Mac like I did with my C64.
But in your post on another thread, you claimed they only made beeps, which is patently false.
Yeah, because owning an iPod is so different and unusual.
So you openly propose oppression and suppression of free speech is a good thing. Free speech is good 'in theory' but not in practice.
No. Where did I ever say that? My point was simply that it doesn't always work that way. I never said I opposed freedom of speech, just that it doesn't always work for the best. But it's still better than not allowing freedom of speech.
You do know that Apple sits on the steering committee for this REACT taskforce?
Yeah, so what? How does this make it Apple's private police force? Are you saying that Apple shouldn't be allowed to file complaints to the police because it happens to be a part of the steering committee?
Do you even know what a "steering committee" is? It doesn't mean they get to order cops around or get preferential treatment.
You think that's bad? Imagine what happens when the powers that be find out, that about 49% of the population have the tools needed to rape women?
Only 49%? I would think that close to 100% of the population has the tools needed to rape women. Most people have hands, fingers, feet, tongues, etc. Of those who don't, they would have access to objects that could be used for the purpose. You'd practically have to be in a coma to not have tools of rape.
Not only that, but by allowing them to express their views openly we can confront them with the facts instead of letting them fester underground.
In theory yes, but as we see on slashdot, ignorant people with incorrect facts are often celebrated by the community with up-modding, while those who try to counter with facts and logic are down-modded.
It works similarly outside of slashdot, in politics and society in general, the person with the loudest voice is often the victor, despite the faults in their argument.
As a matter of fact, Oprah has Rugbrød flown in straight from Denmark for her breakfast (google Oprah, Rugbrød, and check the Danish-press articles. I couldn't find a decent English one).
But that doesn't mean she's trying to show how edgy and different she is. Maybe she just really likes it? There's a difference between being a foodie and eating food to make a statement.
The point of such behavior: what we eat is the primary social differentiators.
Why would Oprah need anything to differentiate herself? She has a fuckton of money more than the average person, and is one of the most influential people in America. She doesn't need to prove herself by trying to be different.
But the ability to serve sushi, and to eat it, indicates belonging to a social group of wealthy, educated elites.
Oh bullshit, even middle-class people in the US can afford fine sushi. Hell, I make it from scratch, and it can cost less than what people typically spend on a fast-food meal for the family.
That's also why in the US, they make sickly sweet "blush" wines and overoaked chardonnays: Americans associated drinking wine with bourgeois status, but many don't like the taste.
Again, they buy them because they prefer the taste. It has little to do with social status. Nobody seriously links drinking wine with sophistication anymore.
Women were pretty much the first programmers, for example working in cryptography to decode Nazi transmissions in WWII. Then of course, there's Ada Lovelace, considered the world's first programmer, and who had a vision of programming which went beyond others.
You could slide each screen down by grabbing the bar at the top of the screen with your mouse, to reveal those beneath. So at times, and quite commonly, you would have different visible parts of your monitor displaying parts of screens with different resolutions (and, if I recall correctly, their own color depths as well).
That really was super-cool. I believe you are correct about the different color depths, too. There was just something compelling about that mechanism, it was like peeking behind a curtain to see backstage, perhaps? Maybe the youngsters would say it would be like seeing the matrix or something. It just had this incredible fluidity to it. Editing a document or program, and want to take a peek at how your 3D render in the background is going? Oooh... nice, just 8 more hours to go, looking good so far.
People in the Netherlands, northern Germany, and Scandinavia eat raw herring and have done so for ages -- it's a delicacy.
I probably should have narrowed my scope to "the English-speaking Western World" but that doesn't quite work either. Lacking another meaningful category, let's just say Britain, America, Australia, etc. The white trash countries, basically.
Also, I wouldn't quite put things like oily fish, caviar and oysters in the same category as sushi (although they are used as ingredients in sushi). They're a lot more meat-like and strongly-flavored than things like white fish served raw.
Anyway - I was just talking about a general misconception among people who were pretty ignorant about world cuisine to begin with. The finer details don't matter much. I don't think the people saying "ewww, raw fish" were exactly eating steak tartare to begin with. But these days, that same sort of person might be deciding between KFC and sushi at their local mall.
They weren't cheaper than the 8 bit computers of their day, but then they weren't 8 bit computers.
Actually, if I recall correctly, there was a time when Amigas cost less than the Apple IIe. They certainly weren't expensive compared to Macs and IBM PCs.
The Amiga had four channel, stereo sound compared to the bleeps and bloops of PCs and Macs,
Arrgh, this is the second time in the last 24 hours that somebody has claimed that Macs only made beeping sounds. It's just not true. From the very first Mac they had audio. Not as good as an Amiga's, but certainly not "bleeps and bloops." You could even get sound digitizers for them.
What's more baffling is how people make this claim, when at the very launch of the original, the unveiling on-stage with Steve Jobs, the Mac introduced itself with speech synthesis. This was a very famous event in personal computer history! So, I'm not really sure where this misconception comes from.
Eating meat raw has always been a sign of unsophistication in Western culture.
As the other reply notes - Steak Tartare and Carpaccio have long been considered at the heights of sophisticated Western dining.
Sushi became popular exactly because of this - by rejecting our own culture and embracing an alien one, you show how sophisticated and different you are from the masses. In addition, the high cost (in the 80s anyway) kept the morons out.
I don't buy this argument. Firstly, it contradicts itself - if you are eating a certain food just to show how different you are, doesn't that make you a moron? So if this were the case, wouldn't it be keeping the morons in?
I think there's a much simpler explanation - Globalization exposed people to different foreign cultures, and sushi is delicious. Over time, foreign foods become normalized. In the 1980s, there just weren't very many sushi restaurants outside of Japan, so few people got exposed to it. I very much doubt that most customers ate it simply to be snobby or different.
So what would be your current day example of such behavior? I mean, you don't see people going to, say, Danish restaurants and acting "oh, look how edgy and different I am eating this food that hardly anybody eats!"
Last I heard human were still animals
No, not since The Singularity. The software just makes you seem like you're a living, breathing human animal.
"Dude," your post makes no sense whatsoever.
Richard?
You misunderstand Richard Prior at your own peril! That shit has consequences.
Commodore has sushi and sold it as fish, sadly.
That's actually an insightful analogy on more levels than was probably intended. There was a time in the Western world, before sushi had ascended to its current status, that it was much easier to sell fish & chips than it was to sell sushi. People were actually grossed out by the idea - "Raw fish? Ewwww. Plus it's ethnic food!"
So, the decision to market it as fried fish or sushi was not so clear-cut in the 1980s. Nobody really knew what to make of the home computer market. It was a quirky world that could have become anything, and monumental marketing/strategy blunders were commonplace. Although there's little that can top the hilarity of an earlier era's bizarre attempt at marketing computers.
but Apple's heavy handedness in this case
What are you referring to here? Apple hasn't even released a public statement about the issue. All they did was report it to the police, who then investigated.
And if you really don't like this abuse of privilege by Jobs,
Exactly what "abuse of privilege" by Jobs are you referring to? As far as I can tell, the only thing Jobs has to do with this is receiving an email from Gizmodo.
Including Steve Jobs, the guy who created his own 'police force' and raided a guy's house
What the fuck? Steve did not have the house raided, the actual official police force did. It was not "Steve's own police force" - where do you people get this shit from? I can't work out if your deliberately lying, or just ignorant.
Maybe it's referring to features added in later versions of Workbench?
There's nothing that Amiga demos cannot accomplish. They are the stuff that drives our society forward.