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Flash Is Not a Right
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What happens if Adobe with a new management does something aggressive as backing up openstep with their huge programming power/money so they can release Pro Apps under Linux?
I mean this issue won't be fixed with FSF ranting, some Apple ass kissers apologizing or we are arguing on Slashdot. Apple really needs to get a slap on their face to see what kind of trap they are heading to.
Just in months, they made World's largest Internet power (Google) mad, largest professional design software developer mad, publicly denounced their key end user product etc. I don't believe these kinds of childish actions won't have a cost to them.
It is absolutely ILLEGAL to hack your iPhone from a big company legal point so that is why Adobe can't release Flash and Opera like companies won't even bother submitting their "real thing" to Apple app store. I am absolutely sure they maintain their iPhone versions locally although there is no way to prove it, just in case something happens to stop this device fascism.
Basically, legitimate companies can't tell you to hack your device and break eula/warranty to install their application.
Well, Nokia's status in USA is a bit pathetic. Otherwise, Nokia is rather known and respected for bringing Internet and some kind of "programmable device" (count J2ME please) to unheard places and poor people.
So we have to compare Apple to Microsoft and feel "equal" ?
Nokia released SDK/Dev tools of Symbian Qt framework for Windows and Linux, Mac support is being investigated (ask Apple why). So there, 3 platforms supported on a very complex operating system's very complex framework. That isn't some toy to play with either, we talk about tens of millions devices here in production and sale. I mean it isn't "free runner" or whatever.
Of course, it must be having some "coolness issue" like relying on multi platform Eclipse so iPhone devs can still apologize for Apple and feel lucky.
It happened with 'curl' , I mean if you want to compile your own, newer curl. There was a severe problem with curl and ipv6 regarding domain resolve on os x and package maintainer and/or curl developers fixed the issue.
I am not that advanced to know the specifics but ntp thing really sounds like similar. I guess it must be on curl's bug database or mailing lists. BTW, stock curl of OS X (don't know 10.6 one) already acts a bit strange especially while resolving domain names.
In fact you are right, as people (besides nerds and enterprise) just started to have IPV6 capability, it wasn't needed until last minute. Now all those heavily modified, millions of different configurations, badly managed ISPs, needless "tweaking", WoW playing machines gets on the IPV6 network, the bugs become visible.
Very interestingly, Apple started to show MS like "good guys" which is a crazy idea itself. Of course it makes no sense but you know, human perception.
I think Apple have really well deserved its "minority" status in IT World and each day, they keep proving this. MS was/is evil but even they have some limits with such a market share. Look what happened when iPhone became the king _only in USA market_, having only 0.5 share of global cell phone.
While on it, Apple's 3rd party downloads site, which is linked from Apple menu itself (get software) is under some major maintenance for a month or so. The rumor is, "app store" comes to OS X and some people goes as far as claiming 10.7 (next version) will be iphone like, app store only. Now I don't believe such thing may happen or they would dare such thing but, just look how people perceives Apple of 2010.
Lets say IE 9 used Windows Media frameworks (heard they merged with directx) to render video/audio in HTML5 webpages... Someone (if not already) ships a small, goodly coded decoder for Theora/VP8 whatever and plugs in... Browser, by not knowing/caring, sends it to framework to decode and shows the raw data.
That way, MSFT has no responsibility for Theora patents, it is just doing what it is supposed to do, the "evil open source" guy is to blame.
Apple already uses Quicktime framework to render video in HTML5 as far as I followed and Quicktime can and does support Theora with right codecs installed. (from Xiph).
OK, lets say Windows 7 was tested on the device protype and it worked like crap. Wouldn't HP contact their friend, MS about it? Wouldn't they say "OK, this part of system drained battery." I believe they have access to entire Windows source, they are that big and that close to MS.
It makes no sense that HP, one of best MS friends not having a usable option for another desktop/portable OS speak like that destroying MS Windows 7 credibility. Everyone including most die hard haters keep saying Windows 7 is one of the best performing Windows operating systems and it is what Vista should have been. Now HP, high level executive comes up (or leaks) Windows 7 is in fact slow and it is unusable on a tablet form. After all those billions spent by MS for "tablet" stuff, the stuff they care so much that they install without asking you.
Mysterious really. I mean, MS will sure make HP pay for such PR disaster. If this is really for gaining ground to Palm WebOS running HP tablet, I am absolutely amazed at the stupidity.
I moved to VPN long time ago, in fact with Fastmail like services TLS/SSL support, they could never "wireshark" me.
Of course, I keep Yahoo mail since 1998, I just didn't like Gmail's (and Google in general), "You get it free, now sell your soul to us" attitude. If there were more people like me, they would seek for another solution. Of course, people jumping up and down saying "spyware" when poor shareware tries to check for updates using Gmail, it doesn't matter to them.
You specifically grant them (unless you pay) the rights to analyze your mail. It is up to them to use it whatever sense they want. Just because you don't see ads, it doesn't mean they are harvesting the personal mails.
There are some people who really feel disturbed about that kind of policy and please don't bring up "what about your ISP root user?", I don't use my ISP's junk either. Never did.
Amazingly clean, browser friendly interface along with superb IMAP support. That was why I originally subscribed to fastmail.fm and it went even better, not worse.
There is a huge level of expertise in fastmail.fm and I believe they use best of the technology but it has never been some "nerd" service, they used the ideas to make it more friendly to newbie user. Of course, there isn't a chance you can compete with free and brands like "Google", so it could never get into place where it deserved.
Hopefully, with Opera, it will be more known and used.
If vendor of device is wise and OS is open enough to talk to chips, H264 will be possibly decoded on chip. Just like my Nokia does while running flash embedded video. Of course, it is a video and video does have some load on battery, just like if I launched a m4v from its file browser.
Please don't get brainwashed by Steve. Today, a Mac Mini having Nvidia 9400, Flash 10.1 does play 1080P HD video with 4% CPU, if it is running Windows. If it runs OS X, it uses a lot of processing power since until 10.6.3, there was no way to talk to GPU to do its job.
I know that I showed its demo to 4 die hard, fanatic iPhone _and_ Apple users and they were really impressed with it.
I don't think they will produce/demo anything that will impress those 4 guys in coming years. I can bet some people at Apple Inc. must be happy that concept was canceled.
I have a E/1 too and I will just ask one question. First of all, you know E71 has upgrade, E72 with basically twice the processing power and free RAM with extras like compass... It is basically iPhone 3GS compared to 3G. So, our devices are previous generation.
Did you even try Qt demos, very early alpha ones from qt.nokia.com blogs? Or, did you use your devices unique advantages like absurdly long battery life, multi tasking, free navigation, open platform?
Yes, any company these days can invent cold fusion and nobody will be impressed and the will line up for iPad instead but it doesn't change how huge change this represents in mobile space and even open source.
Think about it, HP isn't run by some CEO that can reject to have World's de facto plugin just because he personally hates it.
Flash+Firefox core+open OS that does do everything a laptop would do would be the true killer thing. It isn't coming from a no name company either, it is HP who has real big prestige both at home and enterprise.
I know it won't be that practical for an handheld device but someone should really port KDE 4 to Meego/N900 along with the compile instructions and we will really understand if people are being truly ignorant or maliciously ignorant about whatever Nokia does.
Obviously Nokia has such manpower and KDE devs are busy. If I were them, I would release a full meego/KDE4/Flash 10/desktop java/j2me install package for N900 to show what a "tablet" should be and what kind of power Qt represents in this age.
If Google is serious about Go language, they can release its SDK for Symbian as soon as tomorrow and I bet its runtime will even be "featured" on Nokia's "Ovi" (App) store.
We aren't speaking about Apple here, everything is open and free. Nokia currently features "Locago", a J2ME competitor to their own, multi billion maps application.
For example, MS already released an alpha (or beta) of Silverlight for S60 along with SDK. Adobe Flash 10 is next to come.
Even more sad, Symbian will be the standard OS on _all_ Nokia low end to mid end phones. I speak about 100M devices/year and rising.
Well, companies and developers who takes Symbian market serious and watching the World outside Gizmodo/Engadget land enjoys millions of downloads and a huge money, recently it was uncovered that largest share of ad supported apps comes from Symbian handsets.
Now with Qt unified release, it means first time, both Symbian and Linux (extend it to Android, easy) UI code, the most hard and demanding one these days can be unified. It isn't some Sun Java promise either, I use KDE 4 apps/parts in OS X, compiled from exact same code.
The most unfortunate news (!) is, Symbian gigantic market share even rises even without the massive S40 to S60 transition.
If there wasn't a working anti monopoly system in EU, all Nokia devices you see around (including S40!) would have free maps/navigation today.
EU said "E71 (pre. gen) etc. are OK but don't get such a crazy idea." to them and they just "opened up" for E66 and E71.
It isn't Nokia's attitude anyway, they are very different from Apple in that manner. If Apple went to them and wanted to license Symbian, I bet they would happily license it. It happened with Samsung, their real rival, Omnia HD is something running Symbian that made Nokia Symbian devices look like a joke. Also remember the quotes from their patent licensees when Apple/Nokia fight started, they say the patent prices are cheap compared to others in industry.
My point is, people forget how expensive and advanced technology turn by turn GPS is just because they get it free these days.
Just the map data Nokia bought cost billions. They (Apple) think compaies will gamble their millions to the first platform on IT history which your application can rejected. Look around, you can even download/install MAINFRAME utilities to a $20M IBM Z10 and use them.
What made 3.5 inch floppy that bad? It was mostly the format. The format when you get format a: , the FAT12.
So, FAT12 "evolved" (!) to FAT16 and FAT32/EXFAT, staring at my Nokia E71's memory card and remembering I had to chkdsk E:/f/r just 2 days ago, I better remind you that horrible format is alive in devices which it was never designed for.
When you notice clever programmers at Nokia etc. try to open more directories rather than putting all files to same dir because it is how that junk format works better, you remember it. Or, when a person loses all their personal pictures just because memory card moved from its place and doesn't have expertise to salvage that junk without getting robbed by greedy shareware (!) authors.
What makes me mad is, we actually PAY for that junk, while buying the device/camera/phone. If I had a option, I would go with NTFS. So, because of journaling, it will work fine for a year or two? fsck it, it would be obsolete that time already. I don't buy the "journaling kills flash drive" either since there are tens of millions of flash drives formatted with HFS+ Journaled happily working for years. All the iPods/iPhones you see runs HFS+ Journaled and HFS+ has a bad habit of always writing B Tree to a fixed place.
"Don't be evil company did this. Don't be evil company did that."
I am one of the crazy people on Slashdot to question Google's "don't be evil" motto ending up -1 several times along with tinfoil hat jokes but I really fail to understand what kind of "evil" to reject sparing time and huge amount of money for a possibly rejected application.
Google really did good for mobile this time, at least some people from Apple will figure some companies doesn't like to be treated like a potential virus author and porn distributor.
Navteq belongs to Nokia and yet, it is been rumored that EU called Nokia and said "Don't do a crazy thing like enabling maps on every Nokia device for free." because of monopoly reasons. It didn't stop a prestigious and unique solution provider, Wayfinder going out of business.
Google has also reached to some point that, they may wish "free nav" isn't really hurting companies prompting a monopoly "talk". If that monopoly talks start, they never stop you know. They are gathering great amounts of really personal data with Google maps and Governments already started to do some media games to wake up their public.
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What happens if Adobe with a new management does something aggressive as backing up openstep with their huge programming power/money so they can release Pro Apps under Linux?
I mean this issue won't be fixed with FSF ranting, some Apple ass kissers apologizing or we are arguing on Slashdot. Apple really needs to get a slap on their face to see what kind of trap they are heading to.
Just in months, they made World's largest Internet power (Google) mad, largest professional design software developer mad, publicly denounced their key end user product etc. I don't believe these kinds of childish actions won't have a cost to them.
It is absolutely ILLEGAL to hack your iPhone from a big company legal point so that is why Adobe can't release Flash and Opera like companies won't even bother submitting their "real thing" to Apple app store. I am absolutely sure they maintain their iPhone versions locally although there is no way to prove it, just in case something happens to stop this device fascism.
Basically, legitimate companies can't tell you to hack your device and break eula/warranty to install their application.
Well, Nokia's status in USA is a bit pathetic. Otherwise, Nokia is rather known and respected for bringing Internet and some kind of "programmable device" (count J2ME please) to unheard places and poor people.
For example, I was particularly impressed by their devotion and sparing time to tools such as free "life tools" for India/Africa/Asia http://europe.nokia.com/ovi-services-and-apps/nokia-life-tools/main
So we have to compare Apple to Microsoft and feel "equal" ?
Nokia released SDK/Dev tools of Symbian Qt framework for Windows and Linux, Mac support is being investigated (ask Apple why). So there, 3 platforms supported on a very complex operating system's very complex framework. That isn't some toy to play with either, we talk about tens of millions devices here in production and sale. I mean it isn't "free runner" or whatever.
Of course, it must be having some "coolness issue" like relying on multi platform Eclipse so iPhone devs can still apologize for Apple and feel lucky.
It happened with 'curl' , I mean if you want to compile your own, newer curl. There was a severe problem with curl and ipv6 regarding domain resolve on os x and package maintainer and/or curl developers fixed the issue.
I am not that advanced to know the specifics but ntp thing really sounds like similar. I guess it must be on curl's bug database or mailing lists. BTW, stock curl of OS X (don't know 10.6 one) already acts a bit strange especially while resolving domain names.
Well, 8 minutes after you posted that flamebait (!!!), someone posted this comment:
"Problems with connecting to flash media server (Score:2, Insightful)"
Now, as you see, it is somehow connected to flash! Steve was right!
In fact you are right, as people (besides nerds and enterprise) just started to have IPV6 capability, it wasn't needed until last minute. Now all those heavily modified, millions of different configurations, badly managed ISPs, needless "tweaking", WoW playing machines gets on the IPV6 network, the bugs become visible.
Very interestingly, Apple started to show MS like "good guys" which is a crazy idea itself. Of course it makes no sense but you know, human perception.
I think Apple have really well deserved its "minority" status in IT World and each day, they keep proving this. MS was/is evil but even they have some limits with such a market share. Look what happened when iPhone became the king _only in USA market_, having only 0.5 share of global cell phone.
While on it, Apple's 3rd party downloads site, which is linked from Apple menu itself (get software) is under some major maintenance for a month or so. The rumor is, "app store" comes to OS X and some people goes as far as claiming 10.7 (next version) will be iphone like, app store only. Now I don't believe such thing may happen or they would dare such thing but, just look how people perceives Apple of 2010.
Lets say IE 9 used Windows Media frameworks (heard they merged with directx) to render video/audio in HTML5 webpages... Someone (if not already) ships a small, goodly coded decoder for Theora/VP8 whatever and plugs in... Browser, by not knowing/caring, sends it to framework to decode and shows the raw data.
That way, MSFT has no responsibility for Theora patents, it is just doing what it is supposed to do, the "evil open source" guy is to blame.
Apple already uses Quicktime framework to render video in HTML5 as far as I followed and Quicktime can and does support Theora with right codecs installed. (from Xiph).
OK, lets say Windows 7 was tested on the device protype and it worked like crap. Wouldn't HP contact their friend, MS about it? Wouldn't they say "OK, this part of system drained battery." I believe they have access to entire Windows source, they are that big and that close to MS.
It makes no sense that HP, one of best MS friends not having a usable option for another desktop/portable OS speak like that destroying MS Windows 7 credibility. Everyone including most die hard haters keep saying Windows 7 is one of the best performing Windows operating systems and it is what Vista should have been. Now HP, high level executive comes up (or leaks) Windows 7 is in fact slow and it is unusable on a tablet form. After all those billions spent by MS for "tablet" stuff, the stuff they care so much that they install without asking you.
Mysterious really. I mean, MS will sure make HP pay for such PR disaster. If this is really for gaining ground to Palm WebOS running HP tablet, I am absolutely amazed at the stupidity.
I moved to VPN long time ago, in fact with Fastmail like services TLS/SSL support, they could never "wireshark" me.
Of course, I keep Yahoo mail since 1998, I just didn't like Gmail's (and Google in general), "You get it free, now sell your soul to us" attitude. If there were more people like me, they would seek for another solution. Of course, people jumping up and down saying "spyware" when poor shareware tries to check for updates using Gmail, it doesn't matter to them.
You specifically grant them (unless you pay) the rights to analyze your mail. It is up to them to use it whatever sense they want. Just because you don't see ads, it doesn't mean they are harvesting the personal mails.
There are some people who really feel disturbed about that kind of policy and please don't bring up "what about your ISP root user?", I don't use my ISP's junk either. Never did.
Amazingly clean, browser friendly interface along with superb IMAP support. That was why I originally subscribed to fastmail.fm and it went even better, not worse.
There is a huge level of expertise in fastmail.fm and I believe they use best of the technology but it has never been some "nerd" service, they used the ideas to make it more friendly to newbie user. Of course, there isn't a chance you can compete with free and brands like "Google", so it could never get into place where it deserved.
Hopefully, with Opera, it will be more known and used.
If vendor of device is wise and OS is open enough to talk to chips, H264 will be possibly decoded on chip. Just like my Nokia does while running flash embedded video. Of course, it is a video and video does have some load on battery, just like if I launched a m4v from its file browser.
Please don't get brainwashed by Steve. Today, a Mac Mini having Nvidia 9400, Flash 10.1 does play 1080P HD video with 4% CPU, if it is running Windows. If it runs OS X, it uses a lot of processing power since until 10.6.3, there was no way to talk to GPU to do its job.
I know that I showed its demo to 4 die hard, fanatic iPhone _and_ Apple users and they were really impressed with it.
I don't think they will produce/demo anything that will impress those 4 guys in coming years. I can bet some people at Apple Inc. must be happy that concept was canceled.
I have a E/1 too and I will just ask one question. First of all, you know E71 has upgrade, E72 with basically twice the processing power and free RAM with extras like compass... It is basically iPhone 3GS compared to 3G. So, our devices are previous generation.
Did you even try Qt demos, very early alpha ones from qt.nokia.com blogs? Or, did you use your devices unique advantages like absurdly long battery life, multi tasking, free navigation, open platform?
Yes, any company these days can invent cold fusion and nobody will be impressed and the will line up for iPad instead but it doesn't change how huge change this represents in mobile space and even open source.
Think about it, HP isn't run by some CEO that can reject to have World's de facto plugin just because he personally hates it.
Flash+Firefox core+open OS that does do everything a laptop would do would be the true killer thing. It isn't coming from a no name company either, it is HP who has real big prestige both at home and enterprise.
I know it won't be that practical for an handheld device but someone should really port KDE 4 to Meego/N900 along with the compile instructions and we will really understand if people are being truly ignorant or maliciously ignorant about whatever Nokia does.
Obviously Nokia has such manpower and KDE devs are busy. If I were them, I would release a full meego/KDE4/Flash 10/desktop java/j2me install package for N900 to show what a "tablet" should be and what kind of power Qt represents in this age.
If Google is serious about Go language, they can release its SDK for Symbian as soon as tomorrow and I bet its runtime will even be "featured" on Nokia's "Ovi" (App) store.
We aren't speaking about Apple here, everything is open and free. Nokia currently features "Locago", a J2ME competitor to their own, multi billion maps application.
For example, MS already released an alpha (or beta) of Silverlight for S60 along with SDK. Adobe Flash 10 is next to come.
Even more sad, Symbian will be the standard OS on _all_ Nokia low end to mid end phones. I speak about 100M devices/year and rising.
Well, companies and developers who takes Symbian market serious and watching the World outside Gizmodo/Engadget land enjoys millions of downloads and a huge money, recently it was uncovered that largest share of ad supported apps comes from Symbian handsets.
Now with Qt unified release, it means first time, both Symbian and Linux (extend it to Android, easy) UI code, the most hard and demanding one these days can be unified. It isn't some Sun Java promise either, I use KDE 4 apps/parts in OS X, compiled from exact same code.
The most unfortunate news (!) is, Symbian gigantic market share even rises even without the massive S40 to S60 transition.
If there wasn't a working anti monopoly system in EU, all Nokia devices you see around (including S40!) would have free maps/navigation today.
EU said "E71 (pre. gen) etc. are OK but don't get such a crazy idea." to them and they just "opened up" for E66 and E71.
It isn't Nokia's attitude anyway, they are very different from Apple in that manner. If Apple went to them and wanted to license Symbian, I bet they would happily license it. It happened with Samsung, their real rival, Omnia HD is something running Symbian that made Nokia Symbian devices look like a joke. Also remember the quotes from their patent licensees when Apple/Nokia fight started, they say the patent prices are cheap compared to others in industry.
My point is, people forget how expensive and advanced technology turn by turn GPS is just because they get it free these days.
Just the map data Nokia bought cost billions. They (Apple) think compaies will gamble their millions to the first platform on IT history which your application can rejected. Look around, you can even download/install MAINFRAME utilities to a $20M IBM Z10 and use them.
What made 3.5 inch floppy that bad? It was mostly the format. The format when you get format a: , the FAT12.
So, FAT12 "evolved" (!) to FAT16 and FAT32/EXFAT, staring at my Nokia E71's memory card and remembering I had to chkdsk E: /f /r just 2 days ago, I better remind you that horrible format is alive in devices which it was never designed for.
When you notice clever programmers at Nokia etc. try to open more directories rather than putting all files to same dir because it is how that junk format works better, you remember it. Or, when a person loses all their personal pictures just because memory card moved from its place and doesn't have expertise to salvage that junk without getting robbed by greedy shareware (!) authors.
What makes me mad is, we actually PAY for that junk, while buying the device/camera/phone. If I had a option, I would go with NTFS. So, because of journaling, it will work fine for a year or two? fsck it, it would be obsolete that time already. I don't buy the "journaling kills flash drive" either since there are tens of millions of flash drives formatted with HFS+ Journaled happily working for years. All the iPods/iPhones you see runs HFS+ Journaled and HFS+ has a bad habit of always writing B Tree to a fixed place.
"Don't be evil company did this. Don't be evil company did that."
I am one of the crazy people on Slashdot to question Google's "don't be evil" motto ending up -1 several times along with tinfoil hat jokes but I really fail to understand what kind of "evil" to reject sparing time and huge amount of money for a possibly rejected application.
Google really did good for mobile this time, at least some people from Apple will figure some companies doesn't like to be treated like a potential virus author and porn distributor.
Navteq belongs to Nokia and yet, it is been rumored that EU called Nokia and said "Don't do a crazy thing like enabling maps on every Nokia device for free." because of monopoly reasons. It didn't stop a prestigious and unique solution provider, Wayfinder going out of business.
Google has also reached to some point that, they may wish "free nav" isn't really hurting companies prompting a monopoly "talk". If that monopoly talks start, they never stop you know. They are gathering great amounts of really personal data with Google maps and Governments already started to do some media games to wake up their public.