Camel is a funny story. The guy founded Camel was clever, as one of the most quality tobacco genres is turkish, he had to advertise it somehow on packet.
So, for most Americans of that time, Turkish was also Egypt (as we were there long time) he has put Pyramids, Camel, everything average american that time would think of Turkey and printed. Oh, of course that packet is not so innocent, it has hidden messages embedded on Camel itself (sub-mind advertising?).
Thanks to that evil asshole (cigarette addict smoker here) it doesn't just kill you, it also somewhat kills your image as a turk. I saw many rednecks asking if I own a camel (as I am turkish).
Oh, the tobacco. I don't think its produced in Egypt. 60% of Camel is Virginia genre tobacco and 40% of it is Turkish tobacco. I am not sure if we started Virginia thing yet.
Matrix ban? Hmm. That makes me think. Is there any chance those provocateur religious types spread amazing disinformation that some guy itself is named "Allah" (God) in Matrix movie etc?
I live in Istanbul, remembering even some of our crap fundamentalist sites fallen into it those times. There were headlines like "They finally did it! They made Allah to play in movie" (followed by 600 flaming comments from easy believers)
In fact one of my best, non problematic apps on this G5 mac (Panther) is iGetter. Its like flashget but not a ripoff, it has many new inventions.
I bought it and figured its a Bulgarian software house coding it ( http://www.igetter.net/aboutus.html )
I somehow liked it since on internet, you can have sort of free competition. The best program sells... Simple as that. Of course I bet the shareware agency rips them off a bit but anyway;)
I tried sort of Israeli made program (eSafe) years ago. Its desktop version is kinda dead it seems (http://www.esafedesktop.com) but man, Sandbox is way to go.
CPU overhead was like 10% and it wasn't friendly to browsers other than IE or official ns 4.x. Some coder friends said it must have been coded in Delphi (UI kit). Maybe thats why its desktop version got killed.
It was continuously watching OS for stuff added to startup, mysterious apps trying to wipe home directory and viruses. Firewall was extremely weak (non stealth). It NEVER allowed ANYTHING to be executed BY Outlook Express or any mail program. (yes, even if some lamer coded real jpeg virus)...
It didn't accept any ActiveX program to run other than IE itself too. Oh, change IE security settings, it alerted you too.
Well it sounds like nazi stuff but after seeing how office PCs were used myself, maybe those secretaries etc deserves such paranoid sandbox.
I still don't understand how come it didn't get popular while it was freeware even.
I tried trial of thinkfree (entirely java) suite and well, it was running real good and friendly with my language (Turkish) and I ended up buying it.
Its not slow on this G5 mac and I bet not really slow on other G4's since CPU usage is not very high. Of course, as many java apps (this size) first launch time is a bit slow.
I'd love to use Openoffice or its Java ports but sadly they aren't friendly to my usage.
I show my finger to whoever "flamebait" this post. Yes, I pay for my OS, I don't download pirated copy from Gnutella and I wait for an app, which is funded by APPLE who I pay to RESPECT my choices. Its Safari in this case.
Fucking NSA infested Google.
Now THIS POST is a Flamebait... Like I fucking care.
See, they try to SELL WMEDIA codecs for $64, you have to PAY for Linux which CAN run Wmedia, they still bitch/whine about Realplayer ON LINUX as SPYWARE for gods sake!
I still wonder if Real/Helix is a budhist or something still serving to that AWFUL community for free! Patience you know.
I am waiting for comments from Realplayer haters using linux right now... They are all offline now?
BTW, Wmedia 9 for Apple is a JOKE. Nothing works right, even in their own browser (IE 5.2 Mac), so I tell be sure to wait for user reports before buying that.
Oh btw, obligatory: Yes, I am paid Realone radiopass subscriber, which makes me a licensed owner of "spyware" too... Feel free to -1 me as you always do...
Again, thanks to Real Networks for making Realone for OSX a clean, non problematic application.
Let me tell, as a guy loving my native language...
Windows Turkish amazingly sucks. I mean, real amazingly. I know couple of translators worked for the '95 translation which is root of all, those were guys who are purely computer clueless people, they were using a dos (also virus infected) prowrite diskette at '96 even!
How do I know them? Eh:)) I am TV pro and they were translating movies. Could give a clue how bad translation is.
I can't forgive them since there were excellent, native turkish Mac OS around these times and they could use those words which are really, really modern and clean turkish.
Why panic? One of Google's chiefs is ex NS... Oh wait, this is/. , telling bad things about Google, privacy, 2038 expiring cookie, never mentioned google news inclusion policy is evil.
It runs on Linux Beowulf whatever, so it must be good eh?:)
Its not Google in fact, its some geek coder uses google himself and forces USERS to use it too.
I give you a list 1) Safari 2) Omniweb 3) Opera 7.x versions 4) Camino 5) Of course, Mozilla
Those browsers come with google search default, in Safari its more than.ini hacking, you must HACK EXE WITH HEX EDITOR, I mean, the application,.app whatever.
Opera is commercial, so as Omniweb. I understand they make money with referring searches to google by default, just like paid bookmark inclusion. I of course feedback to them too.
Do I have to use google? We all have to? As a guy paid for OSX, I have to hack the Safari app itself just to use another engine?
Oh, on OSX, guess which browser gives users choice for Search Engine? IE 5.2:)
Also in other news, Turkish OS X started to ship. Currently only testing mags has it in hands but Apple TR states "orders opened". http://www.apple.com.tr/macosx/
If there are any turkish reading this, they would agree. Apple is almost perfectionist in translating stuff. E.g. they translated Netscape 4.x to turkish while no turkish netscape exists.
The "turkish" Windows really, really sux. They translated it like babelfish, real funny (or, tragicomic?), "invented words" etc. While on the other hand, since Mac OS 7 (or before, not sure) there was a perfect turkish MacOS in hand, all the time.
I saw people flaming Apple TR for not shipping OS X Turkish and its hard for non coding people to understand the big deal, its all done now. I bet Hungarian people, got used to local MacOS for years demanded it. Especially media sector.
Only problem is with Quicktime 6.5 I heard... Well that 6.5 release creates problems everywhere, so no big deal:)
Now, it doesn't support greek? Sure? Poor Apple Greece, I can imagine the flames they get after people hear Turkish OS X:))
I am a Realone radiopass member, that makes me licensed player owner too...
Oh boy, I really read productive comments about Real here...
I run it right now, on OSX to listen subscription only Acid Jazz stuff. Not caring about a single comment being made about them on/.
Before, I was using it on Win32,for all my mmedia needs, especialy ripping my cd's with their ATRAC3, evil propetioary format, now iTunes is used for it. Man, I was even clicking "artist info", how evil yes? Now they know I have Norah Jones Cd!!!
I gave those details to show you, how horrible stupid users, infested by "spyware" exist on this planet!:)
IMHO Real Networks should take down their open source projects which serves NOTHING to their image. Hitting realnetworks became a geek fashion.
You mean like that? http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/quartz extreme/
Apple PR either focuses on iPod too much or something else wrong.
When I first booted this G5, I was nearly in panic about smoothly bouncing icons, twisting window minimize as an ex PC user. Then, I figured they virtually use real low cpu power for these, that thing above is the reason.
The stuff I see (desktop) right now is totally a pdf 1.4 document rendered in openGL of GPU. If I get it right.
I mean, its already done. It could be done in x86, I wish one day Linux/BSD camp does it FIRST to make some guys in Redmond mad:P
Guess what? Probably Longhorn will come with this feature and it will be "big news", "revolution" etc. Apple, you sell iPods like mad already, show the damn techs you have else than that!
I got reply from Intego. Pasting it before story is archived against confusion: -- Ilgaz,
The viruses found in your plugins were a false positive. The virus definitions released on 4/7/2004 were detecting false viruses on small file names (file names with less than 4 characters).
Our VirusBarrier developers released a new set of virus definitions on 4/8/2004 that resolved the false positive issue. We apologize for any confusion. --
Slashdot Mirror
Camel is a funny story. The guy founded Camel was clever, as one of the most quality tobacco genres is turkish, he had to advertise it somehow on packet.
So, for most Americans of that time, Turkish was also Egypt (as we were there long time) he has put Pyramids, Camel, everything average american that time would think of Turkey and printed. Oh, of course that packet is not so innocent, it has hidden messages embedded on Camel itself (sub-mind advertising?).
Thanks to that evil asshole (cigarette addict smoker here) it doesn't just kill you, it also somewhat kills your image as a turk. I saw many rednecks asking if I own a camel (as I am turkish).
Oh, the tobacco. I don't think its produced in Egypt. 60% of Camel is Virginia genre tobacco and 40% of it is Turkish tobacco. I am not sure if we started Virginia thing yet.
As he has huge beard already and fighting with some sort of imperialism only thing is to give up wine,beer and a little part of his body... ;)
;)
The 'part of body' part could be touchy anyway
Matrix ban? Hmm. That makes me think. Is there any chance those provocateur religious types spread amazing disinformation that some guy itself is named "Allah" (God) in Matrix movie etc?
I live in Istanbul, remembering even some of our crap fundamentalist sites fallen into it those times. There were headlines like "They finally did it! They made Allah to play in movie" (followed by 600 flaming comments from easy believers)
It could be possible I think.
In fact one of my best, non problematic apps on this G5 mac (Panther) is iGetter. Its like flashget but not a ripoff, it has many new inventions.
;)
I bought it and figured its a Bulgarian software house coding it ( http://www.igetter.net/aboutus.html )
I somehow liked it since on internet, you can have sort of free competition. The best program sells... Simple as that. Of course I bet the shareware agency rips them off a bit but anyway
I tried sort of Israeli made program (eSafe) years ago. Its desktop version is kinda dead it seems (http://www.esafedesktop.com) but man, Sandbox is way to go.
CPU overhead was like 10% and it wasn't friendly to browsers other than IE or official ns 4.x. Some coder friends said it must have been coded in Delphi (UI kit). Maybe thats why its desktop version got killed.
It was continuously watching OS for stuff added to startup, mysterious apps trying to wipe home directory and viruses. Firewall was extremely weak (non stealth). It NEVER allowed ANYTHING to be executed BY Outlook Express or any mail program. (yes, even if some lamer coded real jpeg virus)...
It didn't accept any ActiveX program to run other than IE itself too. Oh, change IE security settings, it alerted you too.
Well it sounds like nazi stuff but after seeing how office PCs were used myself, maybe those secretaries etc deserves such paranoid sandbox.
I still don't understand how come it didn't get popular while it was freeware even.
I tried trial of thinkfree (entirely java) suite and well, it was running real good and friendly with my language (Turkish) and I ended up buying it.
Its not slow on this G5 mac and I bet not really slow on other G4's since CPU usage is not very high. Of course, as many java apps (this size) first launch time is a bit slow.
I'd love to use Openoffice or its Java ports but sadly they aren't friendly to my usage.
I show my finger to whoever "flamebait" this post. Yes, I pay for my OS, I don't download pirated copy from Gnutella and I wait for an app, which is funded by APPLE who I pay to RESPECT my choices. Its Safari in this case.
Fucking NSA infested Google.
Now THIS POST is a Flamebait... Like I fucking care.
You waste your time for nothing man...
See, they try to SELL WMEDIA codecs for $64, you have to PAY for Linux which CAN run Wmedia, they still bitch/whine about Realplayer ON LINUX as SPYWARE for gods sake!
I still wonder if Real/Helix is a budhist or something still serving to that AWFUL community for free! Patience you know.
I am waiting for comments from Realplayer haters using linux right now... They are all offline now?
BTW, Wmedia 9 for Apple is a JOKE. Nothing works right, even in their own browser (IE 5.2 Mac), so I tell be sure to wait for user reports before buying that.
Oh btw, obligatory: Yes, I am paid Realone radiopass subscriber, which makes me a licensed owner of "spyware" too... Feel free to -1 me as you always do...
Again, thanks to Real Networks for making Realone for OSX a clean, non problematic application.
Let me tell, as a guy loving my native language...
:)) I am TV pro and they were translating movies. Could give a clue how bad translation is.
:)
Windows Turkish amazingly sucks. I mean, real amazingly. I know couple of translators worked for the '95 translation which is root of all, those were guys who are purely computer clueless people, they were using a dos (also virus infected) prowrite diskette at '96 even!
How do I know them? Eh
I can't forgive them since there were excellent, native turkish Mac OS around these times and they could use those words which are really, really modern and clean turkish.
Yes, I told it to their faces too
Yes, Mac rot my brain. I won't click on address bar and type Lycos.com , I will use another browser and will send complaint feedback to Apple.
I don't have to use Hixie's or whatevers favorite search engine on an OS I paid.
If you tell me what NSA does and what does an ex NSA guy at Google does, I wlll even let them to inject Google chip in my brain as they dream of.
Wake up! Just because a damn thing runs on Linux, it doesn't be automatically good.
Sorry but I had enough with the reasonless Google defending posts for years.
Why panic? One of Google's chiefs is ex NS... Oh wait, this is /. , telling bad things about Google, privacy, 2038 expiring cookie, never mentioned google news inclusion policy is evil.
:)
It runs on Linux Beowulf whatever, so it must be good eh?
-call this post a karma suicide btw-
Its not Google in fact, its some geek coder uses google himself and forces USERS to use it too.
.ini hacking, you must HACK EXE WITH HEX EDITOR, I mean, the application, .app whatever.
:)
I give you a list
1) Safari
2) Omniweb
3) Opera 7.x versions
4) Camino
5) Of course, Mozilla
Those browsers come with google search default, in Safari its more than
Opera is commercial, so as Omniweb. I understand they make money with referring searches to google by default, just like paid bookmark inclusion. I of course feedback to them too.
Do I have to use google? We all have to? As a guy paid for OSX, I have to hack the Safari app itself just to use another engine?
Oh, on OSX, guess which browser gives users choice for Search Engine? IE 5.2
Since its both funny and true (aka informative) , lots of people report signal weakness in meter.
What comes to mind... Maybe signal was showing "wrong" before and fixed now?
Maybe he references Sinclair Spectrum models? I remember they run on Z80 yet come with 48 kb. Could be Amstrad too...
Those was at home everywhere here around Europe these times. Of course, C64 was the nr1 (6502) but those were real elite machines imho.
I am not sure: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wix
:)
Thats free from MS and... opensource and... hosted at Sourceforge!
Armageddon is coming, run!
Also in other news, Turkish OS X started to ship. Currently only testing mags has it in hands but Apple TR states "orders opened". http://www.apple.com.tr/macosx/
:)
:))
If there are any turkish reading this, they would agree. Apple is almost perfectionist in translating stuff. E.g. they translated Netscape 4.x to turkish while no turkish netscape exists.
The "turkish" Windows really, really sux. They translated it like babelfish, real funny (or, tragicomic?), "invented words" etc. While on the other hand, since Mac OS 7 (or before, not sure) there was a perfect turkish MacOS in hand, all the time.
I saw people flaming Apple TR for not shipping OS X Turkish and its hard for non coding people to understand the big deal, its all done now. I bet Hungarian people, got used to local MacOS for years demanded it. Especially media sector.
Only problem is with Quicktime 6.5 I heard... Well that 6.5 release creates problems everywhere, so no big deal
Now, it doesn't support greek? Sure? Poor Apple Greece, I can imagine the flames they get after people hear Turkish OS X
Its because while you were playing "teenage mutant ninja turtles", we were SVideo editing on Amiga 4000+video toaster+targa ;)
I am a Realone radiopass member, that makes me licensed player owner too...
/.
:)
Oh boy, I really read productive comments about Real here...
I run it right now, on OSX to listen subscription only Acid Jazz stuff. Not caring about a single comment being made about them on
Before, I was using it on Win32,for all my mmedia needs, especialy ripping my cd's with their ATRAC3, evil propetioary format, now iTunes is used for it. Man, I was even clicking "artist info", how evil yes? Now they know I have Norah Jones Cd!!!
I gave those details to show you, how horrible stupid users, infested by "spyware" exist on this planet!
IMHO Real Networks should take down their open source projects which serves NOTHING to their image. Hitting realnetworks became a geek fashion.
Also MSN messenger, integrates with OS's own features excellently.
;) /Applications/MSN Messenger.app/Contents/SharedSupport/MSN Messenger Daemon -psn_0_2752513
;)
"Gates" even carries *nix mechanism
586 ?? S 0:06.19
thats what I see if I run ps -x . Surprised. gui client+local server. I know it runs similar way in Win too.
I jumped on your post since now my OSX feels like NeXT, how? Moved dock to right
You mean like that?z extreme /
:P
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/quart
Apple PR either focuses on iPod too much or something else wrong.
When I first booted this G5, I was nearly in panic about smoothly bouncing icons, twisting window minimize as an ex PC user. Then, I figured they virtually use real low cpu power for these, that thing above is the reason.
The stuff I see (desktop) right now is totally a pdf 1.4 document rendered in openGL of GPU. If I get it right.
I mean, its already done. It could be done in x86, I wish one day Linux/BSD camp does it FIRST to make some guys in Redmond mad
Guess what? Probably Longhorn will come with this feature and it will be "big news", "revolution" etc. Apple, you sell iPods like mad already, show the damn techs you have else than that!
I got reply from Intego. Pasting it before story is archived against confusion:
--
Ilgaz,
The viruses found in your plugins were a false positive.
The virus definitions released on 4/7/2004 were detecting false viruses on small file names (file names with less than 4 characters).
Our VirusBarrier developers released a new set of virus definitions on 4/8/2004 that resolved the false positive issue. We apologize for any confusion.
--
I also figured the site reporting it. What a shame, some people should race with Apple with innovations and thinking of wma, better sounding format.
Oh, its better than having no protection. Also imagining the Symantec and Mcafee ad money spent, some strange things come to my mind.
As I have lots of office user friends using AVG and never got infected...