Try to make a user to install any plugin in age of 2009 or better, an OS vendor to include it on their default OS install. Please try and see what happens.
One of the coolest things Google did is Google Earth plugin, perfect for directions and I tested it on one of the sites I manage for 2-3 days. Do you know what I had in return? Mails accusing me of installing spyware/virus to their systems ironically from @gmail.com! I ended up waiting for some kind of flash implementation and rm -rf 'ed all.
BTW, you are bitching about Flash for what reason? Being 3rd party plugin, abused right? Just watch how your cool, open SVG is used once the advertising agencies/designers figure it has 90% reach.
Look to CPU usage having just that original flash open in browser, ou will be surprised. Flash is doing its own job, what it was originally designed for.
As owner of 3 Symbian devices which resembles the entire history of Symbian (S60, UIQ3, S80) and naturally have very advanced J2ME runtime, I better ask if we won't blame the idiot rivals of Apple?
Just look to Ovi "app store", current top seller E71 not getting a new Webkit based browser update just because it has some upgrade shipped, users being tortured by needless prompts, Developers not getting any kind of support unless they are part of some multi billion company...
If open smart phone, real smart phone market fails (or failed, if you ask me), I blame Apple's rivals rather than Apple...
My Nokia S60 E65 phone asked me for an access point while writing this message. Why? It has uname/pwd stored in memory, it has 90% signal level of that access point, why on hell you ask the access point? For example did Apple engineers hack into Nokia source SVN and added that bugger? Why the hell it asks me?
Tablet PC/Mac will take off when they combine E-Ink (in basic colour) with traditional LCD and make it work for insane amounts of time or charge wirelessly. It also needs to be light, way more light than Macbook air. It also needs to be cheap... Now, it sounds really impossible for today... Unless Apple has a huge surprise in hand, for example exclusive access to some technology which is unknown today, a surprise with ARM arch etc.
Lets not forget the UI issues of Windows. If some notification window appears and rest of OS is impossible to interact until you click "OK" or you end up with a worm&virus attacked device unless you run a bugging security solution, what is the point? I don't believe OS X is free of such threats once Apple passes the 30% marketshare somehow.
Based on Youtube video which was linked here, it is just a tiny LCD screen with horrible colour and seriously thicker compared to an actual page.
It is not like some page actually showing video.
I didn't like the attitude of the company making it too, why should I care about its patent number? "don't steal?" well, I am sure nobody is stupid enough not to check the patents before implementing some similar idea.
They should ask themselves: "If a person buys a magazine instead of watching 200 free channels on TV, does he/she really want to see video inside magazine?". It is like advertising your product via animated gif on Flashblock official page.
Man I am sure a Perl or even more advanced Haskell etc. genious can code today's mainstream newspaper generator easily. Just add couple of leftist/rightist/shadowy columnists who writes no better than your IRC bot, all you need is a A3 printer to go.
I really think it should be done, just to show how worthless they have become internationally, yes, ALL newspapers except always lower selling intellectual types can be generated dynamically. You can even add some sort of "evil layout AI" to promote/demote stories based on your agenda. All you need is to show it to a boss like Murdoch. "Here Mr. Murdoch, my little program can do what 10000 people you employ does."
All they do is copy/paste Reuters etc. stories, add a bit of own insert/edit and post it to Indesign or Quark. Nothing else. Look to NY Times archives of 1950s, 1960s... They sent real people to go after real stories and investigate ground breaking stories just by telephone and knowing the right people.
IT media is going in same direction too... You can easily predict which stories with what kind of taste would appear on IT media. In 5 years they will start whining too.
Using completely open and documented XMPP as the protocol for GTalk was one of the good things Google did. Nothing you say or they do in other areas can change it.
Well, someone clearly wants a change but fails to collaborate with others. MS should start playing `big brother` of software companies and use their power to actually collaborate with others instead of channeling via certain `once rival` companies to trojan them.
I actually ask for a conference, between die hard rivals and that conclusion of that conference having a common ground suggestions for US Congress. MS alone can't do it, they aren't trustable and they are convicted monopolist. You may have forgotten it but government types are careful about such things.
You must be new to OS X open source&freeware development. After certain amount of downloads of open source applications, Apple gives you a special quantum encrypted key to next gen OS X (OS X 10.9) and its XCode codes the open source application itself, automatically! They also donate automatically to keep up with the code&hosting expenses.So, all left to OS X users is click "download now" and use it.
First of all, to that security company. Good job really publicizing a vulnerability without checking with unpaid developers of a complete open source project. Also whatever junk you use to create the pages pages doesn't work with Opera 10 and I am too tired to fire up another browser.
Second: Where are you "web 2.0" cool privacy killing instant messenger sites built on Pidgin libraries, where is your patch to the security vulnerability? Can't you spare some of the entrepreneur provided millions to hire some actual developers and fix the issues with the core you rely on?
Third: How hard to assign couple of MSN, AOL, Yahoo developers to Pidgin project by respective companies and let them maintain their own mess which they call a "protocol"? It is not like 100s of millions of Win32 users will use a GTK2 client on their Windows while you already push your own with OS install right? I talk about 3 guys at most, who will at least oversee the protocol development.
All we "open standards" loving nerds are running bunch of closed source, proprietary, low quality, badly engineered IM protocols and at end, people who are unpaid, overworked struggling to keep up with the junk above gets the blame... It is a huge shame really.
If he has Fink, he already has compiler, some.info file having all the necessary patches and fixes to possible linuxism but it is not the deal.
"compile your own" sounds more like "provide your.patch" which serves nothing to the purpose. We don't do such RTFM flames on OS X, at least yet.
The idea behind Fink and Macports is to provide end user access to the gigantic Unix/BSD layer of OS X otherwise left unused unless he is a Developer and having same class of citizenship among other *nix operating systems. The "end user" is the significant thing. They buy a Unix 03 compliant OS while buying OS X and they have full right to use all of its features without the needless./configure and the chaos in/usr/local
Getting Mac binaries via Fink is relatively easy. Send a polite mail to package maintainer describing the security issue and if you are experienced in Fink, just simply say "I tried to build (via my.info in local), it builds fine just by updating source URL" or "it doesn't build since it needs xxxx package updated".
I bet in hours, it will popup in "fink selfupdate"
BTW, Fink doesn't provide a lot of "apt-get deb" type binaries as OS X is an ever changing OS with things beyond their control (e.g. Apple adding new libxml in a simple system update). Of course, if you have a Desktop powerful machine, you can make it own binary distro server.
How come Google engineers doesn't give a hand to Pidgin developers on that GTalk issue? It has been months now, all they need is a SVN client or something.
Isn't it the main purpose of using an open source framework like XMPP and enhancing on top of it instead of stupidly (hear me MS,AOL) trying to maintain your own closed network?
One side of Google does a genius move as using XMPP for GTalk and other side doesn't take advantage of it on such a critical issue and leaves implementation to developers who are already terribly busy keeping up 3rd party junk compatibility and security issues. This doesn't make sense. Did you see the things they have to do just to stay online on MSN network? At one point, they had to send random junk to server since that was what MSN actually did with their own official IM client.
Pidgin is way more than "AOL client works under X11" now. It has became some kind of IM kernel&low level framework for instant messengers. So, you are in extremely funny area if you call it crap, you don't care about it and use state of art UI Adium instead.
Mobile instant messengers, web services rely on Pidgin too.
I use Pidgin compiled via Fink instead of Adium for a simple reason. I use Mac Mini on a 720P HDTV and X11 is the only thing which reliably allows huge fonts I need. Lets not forget the absolutely low level (1%) CPU usage too.
Ritually impure I think. No kidding, if it linked to GTK2 , it would have better credibility as "open source". Weird but true.
Also Miranda has tendency to stay simple, light and use whatever feature Windows frameworks provide to it. I remember it was one of the first (if not first) IM to use Win2k transparency feature among Windows clients. It had it because it made sense for an "always on top" thing to be transparent, not for show off purposes. Anyway, if you go to the author and suggest a "super cool" feature which will add bulk to client but will benefit 1%, it will likely be ignored. Such open source gets limited support.
Apple history after Steve Jobs left is more like the history of wasted opportunities. Combine Applelink with Hypercard which its pointer is still used as link mouse pointer today, you will get grandfather www.
Of course, if you look at that service, it needed actual mainframes to run.
Just a warning in case you change your mind or get compatibility. Adobe Digital Editions are pretty down to "demo level". There isn't even a dedicated application. There is some Adobe Air thing which you can't buy anything.
Always have at least 3 downloads guarantee while doing anything with DRM books and make sure there is no time limit. I am saying these as I stare to a Kim Stanley Robinson e-book which I could never read after changing my mac, adobe lost interest, amazon changed to something else etc.
Well, still better than paying more price to shipping and handling rather than the author himself. (not in USA here)
Used a Betamax C7 just months ago for fun. It records and plays fine. There was also a super high end Betamax SLC9 (I guess) which has amazing features like invisibly marking tape with equal kind of electronics... It worked too.
In fact, if Sony (and others) made similar kind of quality electronics today, they would go chapter 11 because of the price (no Chinese sweatshops) and the quality (why change if it works?).
We, customers looking for 10 bucks cheaper products created this mess and now bitching about it. Look to those legendary devices, computers, none of them are made in dictatorships. They were made by properly educated, paid workers.
If you ask audio and video professionals, there hasn't been a single proprietary, undocumented Sony device which doesn't tie to some mpeg standard ever.
Betamax is proprietary? For God's sake, they invented VIDEO, it better be proprietary. VHS was the same deal too, it was just JVC was clever to license it to rivals and nothing else.
BluRay is H264, AAC, VC1, Java, all open formats in 50 GB of space which movie industry desperately needs to race with pirates. Dolby/DTS audio codecs are "secrets everyone knows" BTW.
Let me tell what actually happened. First, Sony has a new CEO. Second: Amazon was really stupid to play games with intellectuals who READS BOOKS and abuse their DRM. Sony guys also reads slashdot etc. and they have seen comments like "at least Sony e-reader exists", from NY Times respected authors to. So, they wanted to milk the situation in hand benefiting end users.
Same goes for Amazon Mp3 store. If iTMS and the horrible myth that iTunes has own, secret codec didn't exist, Amazon would happily deal with MS and go with Wmedia DRM. Wanna bet?
One quote from your great collection of examples (his talk page)
"If you are here because I named your school or employer on the talk page of your IP address, it means that I thought that some edits from your IP address were vandalism. "
Holy shit? That is something shouldn't be done since the first day of ARPANet. Besides ethical reasons, one should never assume reverse DNS of some machine really belongs to an employee or student of that company/.edu .
You know what happens if some company takes that jerk (and wiki) serious enough to state legal consequences right? "No lawsuit policy" or something. Yes, your company/organization can be blamed for horrible crimes against "free information" and you are assumed not to sue that idiot because there is some cryptic WP: text.
It seems if Mr. Knuth himself found spare time to make corrections to Tex article and actually cared, some jerk would popup and add "original research?" with their own cultural weird WP: things on talk page.
Of course, there is no way to prove it but you can be almost sure.
It has became something like Microsoft. Even if they rm -rf'ed whole windows source, formulated a new kernel, new method of doing things, been really genuinely friendly to open source tomorrow, it would take years (if not decade) to fix their image and you would be still hesitant to run Windows.If Wiki changes tomorrow, it will take a very long time too.
If they ever decide to change, I suggest to use their extensive English knowledge to change "citation needed" to something else to begin with.
I have seen internet changing revolutions happened right on IRC networks, way smaller (hideouts) than the DALNet with 20-30 users at most. In fact, it is real sad that there is no archive.org for IRC and it will never be because of paranoia and risk of severe abuse which is a very valid reason for it.
Also note the "God tone" in that page you link. "While I am fan of IRC", who the hell are you to decide? There, if you go nuts that way, you will be banned. So... Why bother?
If you dig deeper, it is the stupid elitism which always hurt DALnet. "He" may not like DALnet but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) used it, it is real people, real history, real happenings.
One of the issues with Nokia's customers is: They demand official, Microsoft solution if they are Windows based.
I remember reading on The Register that Nokia stated they MAY release a Windows Mobile smart phone and it should have no effect on their future with Symbian. The main reason was that.
Customer runs exchange server, ms office, win 2k03 server and goes to buy Asus Windows Mobile (like thousands of them) while Nokia is superior and could even run/sync better. Why? Because Asus has Windows Mobile OS.
Same deal with Blackberry you know. All Nokia and SE pro phones have perfect blackberry support, even coming free and yet they go and buy that weird hardware.
Also T9/ordinary looking Nokia E series smart phones accept standard bluetooth keyboards or whatever you choose like the laser virtual keyboard at thinkgeek
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Try to make a user to install any plugin in age of 2009 or better, an OS vendor to include it on their default OS install. Please try and see what happens.
One of the coolest things Google did is Google Earth plugin, perfect for directions and I tested it on one of the sites I manage for 2-3 days. Do you know what I had in return? Mails accusing me of installing spyware/virus to their systems ironically from @gmail.com! I ended up waiting for some kind of flash implementation and rm -rf 'ed all.
BTW, you are bitching about Flash for what reason? Being 3rd party plugin, abused right? Just watch how your cool, open SVG is used once the advertising agencies/designers figure it has 90% reach.
If I told you Flash is actually a vector graphics plugin originally?
This is what Flash is, originally
http://www.4dm.com/files/tech/blue.htm (Flash plugin needed), it is "future splash".
Look to CPU usage having just that original flash open in browser, ou will be surprised. Flash is doing its own job, what it was originally designed for.
As owner of 3 Symbian devices which resembles the entire history of Symbian (S60, UIQ3, S80) and naturally have very advanced J2ME runtime, I better ask if we won't blame the idiot rivals of Apple?
Just look to Ovi "app store", current top seller E71 not getting a new Webkit based browser update just because it has some upgrade shipped, users being tortured by needless prompts, Developers not getting any kind of support unless they are part of some multi billion company...
If open smart phone, real smart phone market fails (or failed, if you ask me), I blame Apple's rivals rather than Apple...
My Nokia S60 E65 phone asked me for an access point while writing this message. Why? It has uname/pwd stored in memory, it has 90% signal level of that access point, why on hell you ask the access point? For example did Apple engineers hack into Nokia source SVN and added that bugger? Why the hell it asks me?
Tablet PC/Mac will take off when they combine E-Ink (in basic colour) with traditional LCD and make it work for insane amounts of time or charge wirelessly. It also needs to be light, way more light than Macbook air. It also needs to be cheap... Now, it sounds really impossible for today... Unless Apple has a huge surprise in hand, for example exclusive access to some technology which is unknown today, a surprise with ARM arch etc.
Lets not forget the UI issues of Windows. If some notification window appears and rest of OS is impossible to interact until you click "OK" or you end up with a worm&virus attacked device unless you run a bugging security solution, what is the point? I don't believe OS X is free of such threats once Apple passes the 30% marketshare somehow.
Based on Youtube video which was linked here, it is just a tiny LCD screen with horrible colour and seriously thicker compared to an actual page.
It is not like some page actually showing video.
I didn't like the attitude of the company making it too, why should I care about its patent number? "don't steal?" well, I am sure nobody is stupid enough not to check the patents before implementing some similar idea.
They should ask themselves: "If a person buys a magazine instead of watching 200 free channels on TV, does he/she really want to see video inside magazine?". It is like advertising your product via animated gif on Flashblock official page.
Man I am sure a Perl or even more advanced Haskell etc. genious can code today's mainstream newspaper generator easily. Just add couple of leftist/rightist/shadowy columnists who writes no better than your IRC bot, all you need is a A3 printer to go.
I really think it should be done, just to show how worthless they have become internationally, yes, ALL newspapers except always lower selling intellectual types can be generated dynamically. You can even add some sort of "evil layout AI" to promote/demote stories based on your agenda. All you need is to show it to a boss like Murdoch. "Here Mr. Murdoch, my little program can do what 10000 people you employ does."
All they do is copy/paste Reuters etc. stories, add a bit of own insert/edit and post it to Indesign or Quark. Nothing else. Look to NY Times archives of 1950s, 1960s... They sent real people to go after real stories and investigate ground breaking stories just by telephone and knowing the right people.
IT media is going in same direction too... You can easily predict which stories with what kind of taste would appear on IT media. In 5 years they will start whining too.
Using completely open and documented XMPP as the protocol for GTalk was one of the good things Google did. Nothing you say or they do in other areas can change it.
Well, someone clearly wants a change but fails to collaborate with others. MS should start playing `big brother` of software companies and use their power to actually collaborate with others instead of channeling via certain `once rival` companies to trojan them.
I actually ask for a conference, between die hard rivals and that conclusion of that conference having a common ground suggestions for US Congress. MS alone can't do it, they aren't trustable and they are convicted monopolist. You may have forgotten it but government types are careful about such things.
You must be new to OS X open source&freeware development. After certain amount of downloads of open source applications, Apple gives you a special quantum encrypted key to next gen OS X (OS X 10.9) and its XCode codes the open source application itself, automatically! They also donate automatically to keep up with the code&hosting expenses.So, all left to OS X users is click "download now" and use it.
Check your Junk Mail, key must be there.
First of all, to that security company. Good job really publicizing a vulnerability without checking with unpaid developers of a complete open source project. Also whatever junk you use to create the pages pages doesn't work with Opera 10 and I am too tired to fire up another browser.
Second: Where are you "web 2.0" cool privacy killing instant messenger sites built on Pidgin libraries, where is your patch to the security vulnerability? Can't you spare some of the entrepreneur provided millions to hire some actual developers and fix the issues with the core you rely on?
Third: How hard to assign couple of MSN, AOL, Yahoo developers to Pidgin project by respective companies and let them maintain their own mess which they call a "protocol"? It is not like 100s of millions of Win32 users will use a GTK2 client on their Windows while you already push your own with OS install right? I talk about 3 guys at most, who will at least oversee the protocol development.
All we "open standards" loving nerds are running bunch of closed source, proprietary, low quality, badly engineered IM protocols and at end, people who are unpaid, overworked struggling to keep up with the junk above gets the blame... It is a huge shame really.
If he has Fink, he already has compiler, some .info file having all the necessary patches and fixes to possible linuxism but it is not the deal.
"compile your own" sounds more like "provide your .patch" which serves nothing to the purpose. We don't do such RTFM flames on OS X, at least yet.
The idea behind Fink and Macports is to provide end user access to the gigantic Unix/BSD layer of OS X otherwise left unused unless he is a Developer and having same class of citizenship among other *nix operating systems. The "end user" is the significant thing. They buy a Unix 03 compliant OS while buying OS X and they have full right to use all of its features without the needless ./configure and the chaos in /usr/local
Getting Mac binaries via Fink is relatively easy. Send a polite mail to package maintainer describing the security issue and if you are experienced in Fink, just simply say "I tried to build (via my .info in local), it builds fine just by updating source URL" or "it doesn't build since it needs xxxx package updated".
I bet in hours, it will popup in "fink selfupdate"
BTW, Fink doesn't provide a lot of "apt-get deb" type binaries as OS X is an ever changing OS with things beyond their control (e.g. Apple adding new libxml in a simple system update). Of course, if you have a Desktop powerful machine, you can make it own binary distro server.
How come Google engineers doesn't give a hand to Pidgin developers on that GTalk issue? It has been months now, all they need is a SVN client or something.
Isn't it the main purpose of using an open source framework like XMPP and enhancing on top of it instead of stupidly (hear me MS,AOL) trying to maintain your own closed network?
One side of Google does a genius move as using XMPP for GTalk and other side doesn't take advantage of it on such a critical issue and leaves implementation to developers who are already terribly busy keeping up 3rd party junk compatibility and security issues. This doesn't make sense. Did you see the things they have to do just to stay online on MSN network? At one point, they had to send random junk to server since that was what MSN actually did with their own official IM client.
Pidgin is way more than "AOL client works under X11" now. It has became some kind of IM kernel&low level framework for instant messengers. So, you are in extremely funny area if you call it crap, you don't care about it and use state of art UI Adium instead.
Mobile instant messengers, web services rely on Pidgin too.
I use Pidgin compiled via Fink instead of Adium for a simple reason. I use Mac Mini on a 720P HDTV and X11 is the only thing which reliably allows huge fonts I need. Lets not forget the absolutely low level (1%) CPU usage too.
Ritually impure I think. No kidding, if it linked to GTK2 , it would have better credibility as "open source". Weird but true.
Also Miranda has tendency to stay simple, light and use whatever feature Windows frameworks provide to it. I remember it was one of the first (if not first) IM to use Win2k transparency feature among Windows clients. It had it because it made sense for an "always on top" thing to be transparent, not for show off purposes. Anyway, if you go to the author and suggest a "super cool" feature which will add bulk to client but will benefit 1%, it will likely be ignored. Such open source gets limited support.
Dig deeper, you will find Apple Link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applelink
Apple history after Steve Jobs left is more like the history of wasted opportunities. Combine Applelink with Hypercard which its pointer is still used as link mouse pointer today, you will get grandfather www.
Of course, if you look at that service, it needed actual mainframes to run.
Just a warning in case you change your mind or get compatibility. Adobe Digital Editions are pretty down to "demo level". There isn't even a dedicated application. There is some Adobe Air thing which you can't buy anything.
Always have at least 3 downloads guarantee while doing anything with DRM books and make sure there is no time limit. I am saying these as I stare to a Kim Stanley Robinson e-book which I could never read after changing my mac, adobe lost interest, amazon changed to something else etc.
Well, still better than paying more price to shipping and handling rather than the author himself. (not in USA here)
Used a Betamax C7 just months ago for fun. It records and plays fine. There was also a super high end Betamax SLC9 (I guess) which has amazing features like invisibly marking tape with equal kind of electronics... It worked too.
In fact, if Sony (and others) made similar kind of quality electronics today, they would go chapter 11 because of the price (no Chinese sweatshops) and the quality (why change if it works?).
We, customers looking for 10 bucks cheaper products created this mess and now bitching about it. Look to those legendary devices, computers, none of them are made in dictatorships. They were made by properly educated, paid workers.
If you ask audio and video professionals, there hasn't been a single proprietary, undocumented Sony device which doesn't tie to some mpeg standard ever.
Betamax is proprietary? For God's sake, they invented VIDEO, it better be proprietary. VHS was the same deal too, it was just JVC was clever to license it to rivals and nothing else.
BluRay is H264, AAC, VC1, Java, all open formats in 50 GB of space which movie industry desperately needs to race with pirates. Dolby/DTS audio codecs are "secrets everyone knows" BTW.
Let me tell what actually happened. First, Sony has a new CEO. Second: Amazon was really stupid to play games with intellectuals who READS BOOKS and abuse their DRM. Sony guys also reads slashdot etc. and they have seen comments like "at least Sony e-reader exists", from NY Times respected authors to. So, they wanted to milk the situation in hand benefiting end users.
Same goes for Amazon Mp3 store. If iTMS and the horrible myth that iTunes has own, secret codec didn't exist, Amazon would happily deal with MS and go with Wmedia DRM. Wanna bet?
One quote from your great collection of examples (his talk page)
"If you are here because I named your school or employer on the talk page of your IP address, it means that I thought that some edits from your IP address were vandalism. "
Holy shit? That is something shouldn't be done since the first day of ARPANet. Besides ethical reasons, one should never assume reverse DNS of some machine really belongs to an employee or student of that company/.edu .
You know what happens if some company takes that jerk (and wiki) serious enough to state legal consequences right? "No lawsuit policy" or something. Yes, your company/organization can be blamed for horrible crimes against "free information" and you are assumed not to sue that idiot because there is some cryptic WP: text.
It seems if Mr. Knuth himself found spare time to make corrections to Tex article and actually cared, some jerk would popup and add "original research?" with their own cultural weird WP: things on talk page.
Of course, there is no way to prove it but you can be almost sure.
It has became something like Microsoft. Even if they rm -rf'ed whole windows source, formulated a new kernel, new method of doing things, been really genuinely friendly to open source tomorrow, it would take years (if not decade) to fix their image and you would be still hesitant to run Windows.If Wiki changes tomorrow, it will take a very long time too.
If they ever decide to change, I suggest to use their extensive English knowledge to change "citation needed" to something else to begin with.
Could you believe some people really goes nuts when someone says "citation needed" as a joke or actually meaning it, on slashdot?
Guess the reason for it?
Wow, that is something shocking really...
I have seen internet changing revolutions happened right on IRC networks, way smaller (hideouts) than the DALNet with 20-30 users at most. In fact, it is real sad that there is no archive.org for IRC and it will never be because of paranoia and risk of severe abuse which is a very valid reason for it.
Also note the "God tone" in that page you link. "While I am fan of IRC", who the hell are you to decide? There, if you go nuts that way, you will be banned. So... Why bother?
If you dig deeper, it is the stupid elitism which always hurt DALnet. "He" may not like DALnet but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) used it, it is real people, real history, real happenings.
One of the issues with Nokia's customers is: They demand official, Microsoft solution if they are Windows based.
I remember reading on The Register that Nokia stated they MAY release a Windows Mobile smart phone and it should have no effect on their future with Symbian. The main reason was that.
Customer runs exchange server, ms office, win 2k03 server and goes to buy Asus Windows Mobile (like thousands of them) while Nokia is superior and could even run/sync better. Why? Because Asus has Windows Mobile OS.
Same deal with Blackberry you know. All Nokia and SE pro phones have perfect blackberry support, even coming free and yet they go and buy that weird hardware.
Also T9/ordinary looking Nokia E series smart phones accept standard bluetooth keyboards or whatever you choose like the laser virtual keyboard at thinkgeek
http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/
If I knew I could stand to people staring, I would buy that laser thing right now.