There is a conspiracy theory that MS kept supporting Apple even in its darkest days just to prevent a possible monopoly lawsuit. Of course, the IE lunacy (which still goes on) and Apple's horrible management before SJobs broke the entire plan.
If Google had a credible rival in advertising business, it would prevent trust allegations. Not a real rival, a rival having 20-30% of market would be enough.
I got a Yahoo mail since 1998, I don't use it as my main account of course, my mail provider is fastmail.fm and it will stay that way.
I will cancel Yahoo account only if MS acquired Yahoo. I know what will happen since I am one of the people who used Hotmail before it was acquired by MS. MS wouldn't run a poster child of FreeBSD, PHP etc. with their own billions.
"Jabber is a nice open IM protocol. So it's interoperable, but other than that what big advantages does it have over Skype, MSN, etc? "
It is open, documented, decentralised, future ready, extensible. Ask the companies and people shaping the future of internet (Internet2) why they have chosen it as the default IM protocol to rely on.
Google Wave could be something really nice but Google really have to clean up their "we want to own all your data", "you use our software freely but here are the terms which are privacy breaking" image which has really reached beyond "high tech tinfoil hat" community to general public.
As result, the number of Google software on my systems dropped down to zero. I didn't like their "we sudo software update every 2 hours or don't install google earth" attitude. Oh really? I replied " Get the hell out of my machine." with rm -rf
MS hasn't changed and won't change until they see the "GM" times on the horizon. That would be a bit late of course. Stop acting like they have changed. UAC is NOT security, it even added more to insecurity by making people more ignorant to security alerts.
a very quick solution exists, quickly packaging a flash version which does not have that functionality which is exploited. So, everyone would be happy.
Completely disabling flash could even hurt global economy at this stage.
People typing "oh I hate flash anyway", "I got flashblock" are really missing the significance of the issue. This issue, if really being exploited right now is putting entire net on risk. As we all know every single software may have zero day issue, it is not about "lets go silverlight" or using it as an agenda to spam about it.
That little gang (or gangs) have put the planet on risk. The idiots at Adobe who never thought about this potential (it is obvious) have put both planet and adobe itself at risk. This is not a issue which can be "oh it is fixed". Its reasons must be investigated really deeply, at potential crime, trade secret leak and possible economy breakage levels.
We need some kind of "MS puppet found his way to Slashdot" meta-moderation, we can call it like ms-meta-mod to hunt down these new fashion MS loving Bangalore monkeys.
Adobe Flash zero day story and this story, if you read the comments you will really understand the need for it. Of course, add any Java story to the collection.
Slashdot is basically under attack from these "high user id, 10 comments" puppets and nobody seems to care. I don't say "lets ban them", some database to ignore them perhaps.
Adobe installs a download manager to install flash so it will be easier to update it in the future.
Once you raise your head from MS crap you eat, count the number of warnings, security dialogues IE shows you while simply installing an activex control from a trusted company. You know, they can't abuse Windows Update to trick non suspecting users to install their plugin, it is MS power to abuse.
Instead of completely scraping it or somehow making it more secure, MS decided to torture end user while installing activex plugins. That is the root cause of issue. They aren't effected, they always have Windows Update to inject their lame flash wannabes to end users.
That "download manager" is basically branded GetPlus BTW.
When there is a zero day issue exploited in the wild and if it is effecting near billion computers, some questions must be asked.
1) Will the FBI and security organizations look to this matter as a threat to global security and this time, actually find the gang to question them?
2) When did we start supporting zero day exploiting black hat mafia?
3) Who is really behind this?
4) Why would it take until Tuesday to fix the issue? Can't they provide a quick hotfix until Tuesday and ship the real thing with more testing with 1 week later?
5) Will Adobe do some serious internal investigation, working with the law enforcement agencies to find out the root cause of this issue, this kind of behavior among their developers, team leaders and testers?
Some company known to work in a very dirty ways when it got cornered is at version 3 of their software and nobody, including their media puppets seems to care. Just saying...
Well, it seems MS billions already sunk in Silverlight as nobody, including Windows users doesn't seem to care if it exists or not.
So yes, a BLACK HAT ZERO DAY security exploit may buy some months for Silverlight. All Silverlight and Moonlight developers must be THANKFUL to that mafia guys exploiting a zero day bug in expense of putting billion end users at risk. We must all congratulate them in their hideouts, thanks for stealing end user information, you did a great service for MS born dead technology...
So, MS jumps 3 versions in matter of 2 years, dropping PowerPC support and never intending to support Linux except hired open source cloning monkeys method and you claim it is 3rd generation software with no known threats?
Guess what, DejaVu viewer has no known security issues too.
Once upon a time, MS puppets were doing their dirty job with more clever methods.
Yes, who are they to support all platforms in equal manner allowing same functionality in all sites?
My suggestions are: 1) Drop PowerPC support 2) Drop Linux support 3) Find some sold out once open source heroes to implement half ass functional thing with a cool name. 4) Go mono! err.. profit!
But as you see, rounded corners isn't the only thing. Apple has been and always will be a software company making their own hardware to run their software.
As you see, good software support even matters on a lame "free wifi" thing. For example, best way to shock Windows users is, share a printer under OS X, install that 1-2 mb Bonjour to Windows host, use "add printer wizard". Trust me, they won't even believe it is setup and running after those 2 clicks. I personally did a needless "printer test page" since I didn't believe it, my own printer...
As a foreigner I was suggesting Verizon to Americans as I heard good things about their data network and now they do this... Do you know what I think? Your market (if you are American) needs a good chapter 11 like the Vodafone JP. They made some real stupid decisions and went out of business, Japan govt. told Softbank to acquire it. Now Softbank is doing way better. Cell providers in USA should have a similar lesson.
Apple is not dropping firewire, in fact these are the best days of firewire 800.
Apple tried to make a design decision to seperate Macbook and Macbook Pro by not including firewire in ordinary version since ordinary version buyers won't choose a firewire, more expensive drive over USB2. They reversed the decision soon. Now all Macbooks have firewire and Mac Mini latest generation has fw800.
The reason you won't see too many firewire drives is simple: They have their own controller so they will be more expensive. The same controller adds virtually zero cpu overhead, chaining and intelligent usage by OS.
So? Apple will set HFS "invisible" flag on Safari.app, there it is gone. Or, rm -rf...
Safari, while having some tiny inventions, is not a state of art, unique browser. Its simplicity makes it unique. Ask any Objective C coder how easy it is to code a Safari like browser.
It is the engine which matters and it is open source, even used by Apple rivals on their products. How one would dare to compare that to mshtml?
I was suggesting/thinking about Boingo solution for WiFi access abroad but if they allow their software and name to be abused like that, who knows if the "next version" won't be "Windows Mobile only"?
Also if the software is modified, who knows what else is modified? What if it has some "extra" stuff not that easy to implement on OSX, Linux? You know, like spyware...
IMHO if you got a good flat rate offering, better go with 3G anyway. It is designed for outside usage from ground. Even your phone battery will thank you.
Well, you know why Apple smart phone using consumers instantly switched to iPhone? I mean the wise ones, not the ones going for style...
It was the first ever smart phone perfectly worked and integrated with OS X and Windows, equal features. You still have to boot to Windows to update your Nokia smart phone firmware. In case you use OS X only, you end up using someone else's PC which you know you will be blamed for every kind of windows junk problem in the future. Hopefully Qt 4 powered Ovi Suite (for Mac) will change that.
What if Apple rolls out a branded wireless service which will have excellent support for OS X, Windows and even Linux for an extra price? Will you blame the people buying it?
Please, please don't dual boot for such idiotic companies. Get rid of them, find a better solution but DON'T dual boot.
As long as someone says "oh well, I will dual boot", these idiotic companies and their managers bribed by MS will keep doing these shit.
You are running a Unix 03 compliant OS with all networking technologies known to mankind are built in including the "server" counterparts.
If Linux guys wouldn't have to dual boot and resisted this kind of junk, Linux would be in different position now on desktop. You know how companies kept releasing software for MacOS while Apple is in horrible shape? Mac users REJECTED to boot into Windows to run them.
I bet it will work under Windows 7 since Windows 7 does use the same driver model as Windows Vista. Oh perhaps, it won't pass WHQL test or something but obviously, these people are using a BETA OS already!
Using such a drive with USB 2 is really wasting it. Should go with Firewire 400 or even 800. It is ieee 1394a for idiotic PC manufacturers and i-Link for even more stupid Sony.
As it is a laptop (generally), USB CPU overhead would be problem too.
I know it won't be doing 300MB per second but really, if you purchase a dual interface case/drive and plug drive once with USB2 and once with Firewire, you feel like suing Intel for USB claims. I hear USB3 is also host based processing too (not surprising) so even if speed issue is eliminated, kernel overhead becomes even more big problem.
Of course, as long as stupid manufacturers like WD sells a case for 40 bucks (saw price difference on MW) and don't include a tiny FW400 at least, this joke will go on and on. Don't tell me that a person who can afford a 1TB drive doesn't have a good laptop with firewire.
I call them stupid but I use their desktop 1 TB drive for months, it has excellent performance going up to SATA1 limit and amazingly silent with 32MB cache. That is why I go nuts when they waste such technology with USB el cheapo tech.
So what if it is not open source? It supports standards to a point that it costs it market share right? In fact, it supported standards way before anyone ever considered supporting them.
I use Opera 10 beta on OS X right now writing this message and I have no clue how more you can integrate to the OS. They can't integrate to a point that they would require 10.4.11+ only since it is also against their tradition to drop support to older OS without meaningful reason which your lovely open source browser happily did.
When I installed Arora to OS X (yes,thanks to Fink), I wondered why would people ask Apple for a Safari for Linux browser.
It is not a clone of Safari of course, it is coded with same design and attitude that is all. It doesn't have "space ship controls", it has a decent web rendering engine, good standards support, prefs that would matter to most and a simple UI.
Lenovo, at least in Istanbul does use their IBM-DOS advantage that way too. In their business laptops (I actually have one in shop basket), "installed OS" is DOS. I assume it is IBM DOS and the money difference goes to 3GB of RAM I think which is really impressive.
It is a huge issue for MS. As it has some archaic OS installed, I have some time to think whether to set FreeBSD with KDE or go with Windows. If it came with Vista, I would be really lazy to do it.
Of course, Lenovo is not really IBM and their site is infected with "recommends Vista" junk all over the place. IBM would never do such things for couple of extra cents. Or, they would... to get MS into more trouble with monopoly accusations:)
"If this is not a joke, I think maybe some Microsoft shareholders should sue."
I keep wondering how come no shareholder ask them what the hell are they doing. I mean something like Icahn vs. Yahoo.
Just a recent example: While they are in deep, deep trouble with EU, IE 8 "critical update" made itself default browser. Their usual "oh we didn't think about it" trick in action.
They also sent a message "bite me" to those EU bureaucracy by suggesting they will ship a browserless Windows putting them to target of consumers and sent their web 2.0 abuser army to them. EU is not some third World country to play around like that. At last resort, EU can hire some UI specialists, call some large OEMs to support or die and ship the most advanced, supported, easily used Linux to this date. With those billions of euros in their control and a community already sick of MS, they can really do it. I am not a EU citizen but I know how dirty those EU guys can play in case you really make them mad and degrade their public image.
No Icahn to ask them "What the hell are you doing with MY money?". Why? Forget legal business, even if that was a mafia boss keeps bullying police for no reason and wasting the organizations money he would be taken down by his own men.
While Sony isn't very popular on slashdot for obvious reasons, they have some kind of rock solid customer base who keeps buying/upgrading their products.
Used (in fact, restored) a Sony Vaio high end laptop for 2 days, I ended up telling its owner "This thing tries to be Apple but the operating system (Windows) kills the experience". I mean they are really unique in terms of EFI etc.
MS is a general operating system vendor. There is no "Vista Air" to show there.
I can tell what they should stock. Input Devices, lots and lots of them, all models and they should allow people to try them physically.
Also if they will show laptops (which will make excluded partners mad), a tip from me: Use your own products (update services) to make them turn on 08 AM, install all updates, shut down or sleep until shop opens. All without "status windows" which you love. Staring at 20 laptops having that yellow "critical updates available" is really absurd. Hope some computer shops read this. Add "Wireless signal low" and you have complete "don't buy me, I will really fsck up your life" product display.
They don't even think about a shop edition of Windows right? A basic CD could do all the things I said above. While I don't have that MSCE thing, I can do it myself.
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There is a conspiracy theory that MS kept supporting Apple even in its darkest days just to prevent a possible monopoly lawsuit. Of course, the IE lunacy (which still goes on) and Apple's horrible management before SJobs broke the entire plan.
If Google had a credible rival in advertising business, it would prevent trust allegations. Not a real rival, a rival having 20-30% of market would be enough.
I got a Yahoo mail since 1998, I don't use it as my main account of course, my mail provider is fastmail.fm and it will stay that way.
I will cancel Yahoo account only if MS acquired Yahoo. I know what will happen since I am one of the people who used Hotmail before it was acquired by MS. MS wouldn't run a poster child of FreeBSD, PHP etc. with their own billions.
"Jabber is a nice open IM protocol. So it's interoperable, but other than that what big advantages does it have over Skype, MSN, etc? "
It is open, documented, decentralised, future ready, extensible. Ask the companies and people shaping the future of internet (Internet2) why they have chosen it as the default IM protocol to rely on.
Google Wave could be something really nice but Google really have to clean up their "we want to own all your data", "you use our software freely but here are the terms which are privacy breaking" image which has really reached beyond "high tech tinfoil hat" community to general public.
As result, the number of Google software on my systems dropped down to zero. I didn't like their "we sudo software update every 2 hours or don't install google earth" attitude. Oh really? I replied " Get the hell out of my machine." with rm -rf
It seems "diseased" people which naive Linus talks about were right.
As you point to that story, I point to this story.
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/28/0045229
MS hasn't changed and won't change until they see the "GM" times on the horizon. That would be a bit late of course. Stop acting like they have changed. UAC is NOT security, it even added more to insecurity by making people more ignorant to security alerts.
a very quick solution exists, quickly packaging a flash version which does not have that functionality which is exploited. So, everyone would be happy.
Completely disabling flash could even hurt global economy at this stage.
People typing "oh I hate flash anyway", "I got flashblock" are really missing the significance of the issue. This issue, if really being exploited right now is putting entire net on risk. As we all know every single software may have zero day issue, it is not about "lets go silverlight" or using it as an agenda to spam about it.
That little gang (or gangs) have put the planet on risk. The idiots at Adobe who never thought about this potential (it is obvious) have put both planet and adobe itself at risk. This is not a issue which can be "oh it is fixed". Its reasons must be investigated really deeply, at potential crime, trade secret leak and possible economy breakage levels.
We need some kind of "MS puppet found his way to Slashdot" meta-moderation, we can call it like ms-meta-mod to hunt down these new fashion MS loving Bangalore monkeys.
Adobe Flash zero day story and this story, if you read the comments you will really understand the need for it. Of course, add any Java story to the collection.
Slashdot is basically under attack from these "high user id, 10 comments" puppets and nobody seems to care. I don't say "lets ban them", some database to ignore them perhaps.
The day there is a Silverlight issue (if it doesn't get scraped), I will remember this message.
Even Java, completely designed around sandboxed virtual machine idea and even invented it had security vulnerabilities.
Hope you guys are getting paid to post these bullshit.
Adobe installs a download manager to install flash so it will be easier to update it in the future.
Once you raise your head from MS crap you eat, count the number of warnings, security dialogues IE shows you while simply installing an activex control from a trusted company. You know, they can't abuse Windows Update to trick non suspecting users to install their plugin, it is MS power to abuse.
Instead of completely scraping it or somehow making it more secure, MS decided to torture end user while installing activex plugins. That is the root cause of issue. They aren't effected, they always have Windows Update to inject their lame flash wannabes to end users.
That "download manager" is basically branded GetPlus BTW.
When there is a zero day issue exploited in the wild and if it is effecting near billion computers, some questions must be asked.
1) Will the FBI and security organizations look to this matter as a threat to global security and this time, actually find the gang to question them?
2) When did we start supporting zero day exploiting black hat mafia?
3) Who is really behind this?
4) Why would it take until Tuesday to fix the issue? Can't they provide a quick hotfix until Tuesday and ship the real thing with more testing with 1 week later?
5) Will Adobe do some serious internal investigation, working with the law enforcement agencies to find out the root cause of this issue, this kind of behavior among their developers, team leaders and testers?
Some company known to work in a very dirty ways when it got cornered is at version 3 of their software and nobody, including their media puppets seems to care. Just saying...
Well, it seems MS billions already sunk in Silverlight as nobody, including Windows users doesn't seem to care if it exists or not.
So yes, a BLACK HAT ZERO DAY security exploit may buy some months for Silverlight. All Silverlight and Moonlight developers must be THANKFUL to that mafia guys exploiting a zero day bug in expense of putting billion end users at risk. We must all congratulate them in their hideouts, thanks for stealing end user information, you did a great service for MS born dead technology...
So, MS jumps 3 versions in matter of 2 years, dropping PowerPC support and never intending to support Linux except hired open source cloning monkeys method and you claim it is 3rd generation software with no known threats?
Guess what, DejaVu viewer has no known security issues too.
Once upon a time, MS puppets were doing their dirty job with more clever methods.
Yes, who are they to support all platforms in equal manner allowing same functionality in all sites?
My suggestions are:
1) Drop PowerPC support
2) Drop Linux support
3) Find some sold out once open source heroes to implement half ass functional thing with a cool name.
4) Go mono! err.. profit!
But as you see, rounded corners isn't the only thing. Apple has been and always will be a software company making their own hardware to run their software.
As you see, good software support even matters on a lame "free wifi" thing. For example, best way to shock Windows users is, share a printer under OS X, install that 1-2 mb Bonjour to Windows host, use "add printer wizard". Trust me, they won't even believe it is setup and running after those 2 clicks. I personally did a needless "printer test page" since I didn't believe it, my own printer...
As a foreigner I was suggesting Verizon to Americans as I heard good things about their data network and now they do this... Do you know what I think? Your market (if you are American) needs a good chapter 11 like the Vodafone JP. They made some real stupid decisions and went out of business, Japan govt. told Softbank to acquire it. Now Softbank is doing way better. Cell providers in USA should have a similar lesson.
Apple is not dropping firewire, in fact these are the best days of firewire 800.
Apple tried to make a design decision to seperate Macbook and Macbook Pro by not including firewire in ordinary version since ordinary version buyers won't choose a firewire, more expensive drive over USB2. They reversed the decision soon. Now all Macbooks have firewire and Mac Mini latest generation has fw800.
The reason you won't see too many firewire drives is simple: They have their own controller so they will be more expensive. The same controller adds virtually zero cpu overhead, chaining and intelligent usage by OS.
So? Apple will set HFS "invisible" flag on Safari.app, there it is gone. Or, rm -rf...
Safari, while having some tiny inventions, is not a state of art, unique browser. Its simplicity makes it unique. Ask any Objective C coder how easy it is to code a Safari like browser.
It is the engine which matters and it is open source, even used by Apple rivals on their products. How one would dare to compare that to mshtml?
I was suggesting/thinking about Boingo solution for WiFi access abroad but if they allow their software and name to be abused like that, who knows if the "next version" won't be "Windows Mobile only"?
Also if the software is modified, who knows what else is modified? What if it has some "extra" stuff not that easy to implement on OSX, Linux? You know, like spyware...
IMHO if you got a good flat rate offering, better go with 3G anyway. It is designed for outside usage from ground. Even your phone battery will thank you.
Well, you know why Apple smart phone using consumers instantly switched to iPhone? I mean the wise ones, not the ones going for style...
It was the first ever smart phone perfectly worked and integrated with OS X and Windows, equal features. You still have to boot to Windows to update your Nokia smart phone firmware. In case you use OS X only, you end up using someone else's PC which you know you will be blamed for every kind of windows junk problem in the future. Hopefully Qt 4 powered Ovi Suite (for Mac) will change that.
What if Apple rolls out a branded wireless service which will have excellent support for OS X, Windows and even Linux for an extra price? Will you blame the people buying it?
Please, please don't dual boot for such idiotic companies. Get rid of them, find a better solution but DON'T dual boot.
As long as someone says "oh well, I will dual boot", these idiotic companies and their managers bribed by MS will keep doing these shit.
You are running a Unix 03 compliant OS with all networking technologies known to mankind are built in including the "server" counterparts.
If Linux guys wouldn't have to dual boot and resisted this kind of junk, Linux would be in different position now on desktop. You know how companies kept releasing software for MacOS while Apple is in horrible shape? Mac users REJECTED to boot into Windows to run them.
I bet it will work under Windows 7 since Windows 7 does use the same driver model as Windows Vista. Oh perhaps, it won't pass WHQL test or something but obviously, these people are using a BETA OS already!
Hell man, OS X user knows it and they don't?
Using such a drive with USB 2 is really wasting it. Should go with Firewire 400 or even 800. It is ieee 1394a for idiotic PC manufacturers and i-Link for even more stupid Sony.
As it is a laptop (generally), USB CPU overhead would be problem too.
I know it won't be doing 300MB per second but really, if you purchase a dual interface case/drive and plug drive once with USB2 and once with Firewire, you feel like suing Intel for USB claims. I hear USB3 is also host based processing too (not surprising) so even if speed issue is eliminated, kernel overhead becomes even more big problem.
Of course, as long as stupid manufacturers like WD sells a case for 40 bucks (saw price difference on MW) and don't include a tiny FW400 at least, this joke will go on and on. Don't tell me that a person who can afford a 1TB drive doesn't have a good laptop with firewire.
I call them stupid but I use their desktop 1 TB drive for months, it has excellent performance going up to SATA1 limit and amazingly silent with 32MB cache. That is why I go nuts when they waste such technology with USB el cheapo tech.
So what if it is not open source? It supports standards to a point that it costs it market share right? In fact, it supported standards way before anyone ever considered supporting them.
I use Opera 10 beta on OS X right now writing this message and I have no clue how more you can integrate to the OS. They can't integrate to a point that they would require 10.4.11+ only since it is also against their tradition to drop support to older OS without meaningful reason which your lovely open source browser happily did.
When I installed Arora to OS X (yes,thanks to Fink), I wondered why would people ask Apple for a Safari for Linux browser.
It is not a clone of Safari of course, it is coded with same design and attitude that is all. It doesn't have "space ship controls", it has a decent web rendering engine, good standards support, prefs that would matter to most and a simple UI.
Lenovo, at least in Istanbul does use their IBM-DOS advantage that way too. In their business laptops (I actually have one in shop basket), "installed OS" is DOS. I assume it is IBM DOS and the money difference goes to 3GB of RAM I think which is really impressive.
It is a huge issue for MS. As it has some archaic OS installed, I have some time to think whether to set FreeBSD with KDE or go with Windows. If it came with Vista, I would be really lazy to do it.
Of course, Lenovo is not really IBM and their site is infected with "recommends Vista" junk all over the place. IBM would never do such things for couple of extra cents. Or, they would... to get MS into more trouble with monopoly accusations :)
"If this is not a joke, I think maybe some Microsoft shareholders should sue."
I keep wondering how come no shareholder ask them what the hell are they doing. I mean something like Icahn vs. Yahoo.
Just a recent example: While they are in deep, deep trouble with EU, IE 8 "critical update" made itself default browser. Their usual "oh we didn't think about it" trick in action.
They also sent a message "bite me" to those EU bureaucracy by suggesting they will ship a browserless Windows putting them to target of consumers and sent their web 2.0 abuser army to them. EU is not some third World country to play around like that. At last resort, EU can hire some UI specialists, call some large OEMs to support or die and ship the most advanced, supported, easily used Linux to this date. With those billions of euros in their control and a community already sick of MS, they can really do it. I am not a EU citizen but I know how dirty those EU guys can play in case you really make them mad and degrade their public image.
No Icahn to ask them "What the hell are you doing with MY money?". Why? Forget legal business, even if that was a mafia boss keeps bullying police for no reason and wasting the organizations money he would be taken down by his own men.
While Sony isn't very popular on slashdot for obvious reasons, they have some kind of rock solid customer base who keeps buying/upgrading their products.
Used (in fact, restored) a Sony Vaio high end laptop for 2 days, I ended up telling its owner "This thing tries to be Apple but the operating system (Windows) kills the experience". I mean they are really unique in terms of EFI etc.
MS is a general operating system vendor. There is no "Vista Air" to show there.
I can tell what they should stock. Input Devices, lots and lots of them, all models and they should allow people to try them physically.
Also if they will show laptops (which will make excluded partners mad), a tip from me: Use your own products (update services) to make them turn on 08 AM, install all updates, shut down or sleep until shop opens. All without "status windows" which you love. Staring at 20 laptops having that yellow "critical updates available" is really absurd. Hope some computer shops read this. Add "Wireless signal low" and you have complete "don't buy me, I will really fsck up your life" product display.
They don't even think about a shop edition of Windows right? A basic CD could do all the things I said above. While I don't have that MSCE thing, I can do it myself.