Older times, Microsoft would act like they are friendly to standards and fool some people.
See what happened in 3 months: Silverlight 2 airing of Olympics (instead of V1), IE 8 beta 2 showing broken icon (or done with errors) on W3C compliant pages and let me give a clue to W3C/Moz team: test CPU usage when W3C standard page hits IE 8 beta 2 (thanks to Virtual PC 7!), no shipment of "MS Office 08 viewer" to OS X which they could ship in 15 minutes as the thing itself runs on OS X, broken OOXML importers for OS X.
Symbian/Nokia/Sony Ericsson should stand up and defend their decade old software vendors. E.g. Opera. They make that Nokia E90 become almost a tiny laptop when Opera installed and yet Nokia doesn't even list Opera on their "Download!" application. SE is also a big Opera customer and my "Web" which is way similar to iPhone on Sony Ericsson P1i is actually Opera. Of course, being old fashion guy, I rather prefer Opera use their own invention "Small screen rendering".
You should get a demo for E90 having latest firmware and Opera installed to understand what I mean. It is just like Desktop web browser even including embedded Flash (Youtube etc.) You will figure it is in fact the micro laptop.
The "True internet" claim is bugging me since the first introduction of iPhone. I am not an Apple hater , I use Apple whenever possible but... iPhone marketing/administration/developer support is way out of hand and seriously hurting Apple image. Do you remember the G5 ads same organisation suspended? They weren't so right but while $60-$70 J2ME phones do excellent job with Opera Mini, "full internet" is really a bit much claim on Apple's side.
You know what? If some stuff takes off such as ultra-ultra light devices which can perform as a laptop with comical power needs, they are always powered by FreeScale chips. As Apple policy/ideology is OS X should only run on Apple hardware, what does it mean?
Perhaps MS keeps their PowerPC Windows maintained just in case? It wouldn't be surprise. If you look at Windows NT history, they had to deal with that horrible Intel RISC chip so they won't accidentally code x86 specific code in any case. MS still keeps saying "i386" on various directory and windows update sites for a reason.
If there are people who gave up Altivec because Apple dropped PPC, don't forget, even POWER6 has Altivec now and no reason for FreeScale not to include it.
Sadly, I was naively dreaming that game developers take advantage of the "Only Intel ASM to code", end of endian issue (!) and code real OS X games using OpenGL etc. frameworks.
What did they do? Especially that puppet of MS, EA? They basically ship Windows game to OS X creating all sorts of troubles and add 30% Mac tax to same game title.
Mac gaming is in fact worse shape than PowerPC only days. A tip to people who buys Cider version of games: Bootcamp will run them better and cheaper.
I don't think so, they have seen their users actually install/run Boot Camp to run Windows on Mac sometimes and believe me, there are lots and lots of people having "Untitled" on their Desktops now:) It is just like you hear how "awful" MS Office is but somehow it always make top Apple software at Amazon. It must be BillG ordering all those copies I guess?;)
If Apple was on Cell organisation, you would expect something like Toshiba did. They keep on x86/Windows but they add a Cell processor as a co-processor to do insane things. Also keep in mind there is nothing stopping any company to put a Cell chip to PCI card, contribute to ffmpeg/vlc code and ship a multi platform media accelerator for PCs and Macs.
It is a sad fact today that x86 stays, at least for Desktop. I can't imagine IBM working with Apple again to provide them POWER6UL (rumoured ultra light). Apple in fact seriously hurt POWER image. They could just say "IBM and Motorola are concentrated on different markets" but they spoke about performance/watt, heat consumption etc. which are ONLY true for PPC line of that huge architecture. They couldn't say "They don't give a heck to our needs" of course:)
After all of this, it would be really hard to convince developers to re-code for POWER instruction set, Altivec etc. It is a radically different thing. I am speaking about consumer/desktop developers of course, POWER is kinda x86 on enterprise market.
Can you imagine IBM engineers going mad over "lower than expected fps" on a popular game? That is the issue. Intel and AMD has such people.
They still get twice as fast but Mhz myth is kinda gone. In fact, there are some same speed Xeons performs almost 30% faster than the same Mhz model because of low nanometer, bigger cache etc. The "Quad Xeon" Apple pro one is a good example. 2 versions, same or similar Mhz, the later one beats first generation by 30%.
BTW as everyone stares to memory bandwidth issues etc. now, people investing to "dead" SGI and rescuing it from chapter 11 are damn clever. Same goes for Cray too.
Perhaps they know the port 22 can give significant power and they would have to deal with that black hat guy drinking $5 coffee and used his collection of stolen SSH passwords while enjoying it.
"Port 80 and 443 only" is some sort of security measure. It is of course old fashioned but... At least it MAY prevent some kinds of stuff.
Also we Symbian/Opera and J2ME/Opera Mini users have been experiencing the "real internet" for ages. We didn't even get boost from "Opera version" of sites, it is just some clever ones sent the mobile optimised version.
An Opera on a high end Symbian handset like Nokia N95 or E90 won't be different from the desktop version in any manner. I can't think of any sites which will degrade in functionality. Java is a different thing, the desktop java is still to heavy for mobile devices so they run J2ME but especially for 2 years, J2ME users constantly get amazed at what that thing can do. I got amazed when Youtube released a J2ME version for example and that thing could play smooth videos.
So do you think Symbian OS will magically lose all DRM functionality when its open source?
It won't happen. You can embed binary DRM frameworks to open source operating systems. Of course if you are Nokia, you have to be open about it, you just say "To protect content providers rights", you and your fans don't claim ridiculous things like the one you replied to.
For security, the perfect example is "Symbian Signed" which is in fact a mixture of Java sandbox idea and "good side" of Windows ActiveX. It took years and years to come up with "best of worst" and Apple ignored it.
Also, even die hard critics of iPhone like me understands what Apple targets and understand it. Of course it doesn't mean I agree with it.
As a very long time, experienced J2ME/Symbian/Smart Phone of all sorts user, I couldn't still understand the point of Google Android. Why are they busy with it instead of giving a huge help to Linux,J2ME, Symbian and WinMo?
Google classes/Framework Linux(embedded), J2ME, Symbian and Windows Mobile. Apple mobile OS X if Apple changes their mind. That is it. That is all needed!
Is trying to re-invent wheel a known side effect of having too much cash and power and don't know what to do with them? MS Silverlight, Google Android and even Adobe Air comes to mind...
They are the same company who invented "auto torrent generation", that makes me wonder more.
Any file at Amazon S3 can become torrent based if its vendor allows it. E.g. instead of www.s3aws.com/huge.exe , if you put www.s3aws.com/huge.exe?torrent , it comes you as torrent file and it starts tracking it.
(btw I forgot the s3 domain, it could be something else)
So Slashdot gets paid for comments about Amazon like
1) It is stupidly old fashioned, go buy downloadable games instead 2) There is no point to pay extra, have some patience 3) They will trace your home while that game checks for updates and send black helicopters.
"Any game which requires a phone home doesn't get purchased, or if slipped in discretely gets returned."
I fail to understand the logic behind buying a software with your credit card which has all your details including your home address and not letting game/software to check for updates using your worthless (compared to CC) IP address.
Why can't I buy DVD ISO of a game or a executable which would produce copy protected DVD-R of game with my credit card making you and game developer profit more instead of plastic manufacturers and DHL?
I am also outside USA which means $30-$40 paid for reliable plastic delivery.
Why are game/software developers obsessed with boxes and plastic? Really... Is there a DHL/FedEx conspiracy?:)
There are several of us on Mac that uses Mac in all opportunities including hosting but would give back iPhone even if it was provided for free. I kinda understand people buying iPhone after today though, it took 5-6 mins for an experienced user like me to make use of the wireless open network at cafe I go. On iPhone, you click their network in "Airport" menu, there it works.
The locked iPhone created some sort of image that Apple would even bother to say what can be coded for OS X or not. It is not the case. If you see a hardware/software doesn't support OS X, especially after Intel switch, reasons could be:
1) They don't have enough manpower to code a C++ (IOKit's version) kernel extension. 2) They need MS backing (usual on companies who puts "supports windows vista!!!" on every kind of crap they make, including Monitors, e.g. Samsung) 3) They don't figure the market they miss. (old reason 4): You code something for a CPU that is made by Motorola or IBM who doesn't give a shit. After Intel, it changed.
Theoretically you can code some media suite which is ages ahead of iTunes and can compete with Apple, on OS X for FREE using XCode provided by Apple. It is just, the bar is set too high and your hardware/software vendor will compete with you for sure. It is not that they will put some secret chip to crash your app though:)
I was mad to Apple here and bought an external USB2 wireless adapter from a company who is in Mac business for decades.
It comes with perfectly written kernel extension (driver) with great support from company but... You see why OS X on Generic PC isn't OS X after all.
First of all, you install drivers from CD. Second, that magnificently easy, state of art "Airport" menu extra is gone. No single click jumping from one network to other. The driver uses 30% of CPU (via kernel_task) which is also unheard of, in general Mac audience.
It is just a living example of why OS X on general PC is not a good idea. I can easily guess that none of these problems would have happened on Windows because it is coded with "Guy can buy USB2 Wireless" in mind from the start.
I would tell why Google is evil but people having mod powers and having fed by Google Adwords or got tricked by Gmail would censor me.
Apple doesn't claim to code OS X for every machine out there. People using Apple for just 1 Month would understand their point of not allowing OS X to PCs. When OS X is running on PC, "it just works" is gone. GONE I tell you.
It just needs some experience and insight to history of desktop computing. Microsoft and Apple are exactly different faces of a coin. People expect Apple to be Microsoft. It doesn't really work.
The OS which will run perfectly on Pystar PC is, Windows Vista SP1 or XP SP3. Not OS X. There, I said it, feels like suicide at Slashdot but it is the truth. I am also SURE that Ubuntu or any Linux on that machine will beat hell out of OS X. It is not because Apple sells something awful, Apple sells HARDWARE and SOFTWARE. Apple is a software company which designs hardware to run their software perfectly.
How hard is it to understand? The other company, Microsoft is a software company who targets widest reach as possible.
What about Apple's rights? They choose to integrate software and hardware in a perfect manner since their beginning. There were no 68000 Machines running Apple II OS either. They tried clones and while they were made by hugely respected companies who has Mac experience for decades, they decided it won't work and cancelled it.
If you look for conspiracy on old Clone age, look no further than Motorola. Are you telling me that company who didn't give shit to PowerPC and dared to ship 133Mhz FSB (G4) chips in 2004-2006 would be a perfect clone maker so it would become Compaq for Apple?
Dear slashdot, don't fall to Pystars lame scheme. I really don't give a shit to some darkly funded company WANTING to get sued by Apple.
It could be Apple funding Pystar too, to validate their stance against Clone makers. That junk with Realtek stuff is a perfect proof of what shouldn't get OS X installed.
If they insist on using Windows at space, only application which is paranoid enough to defend against everything, even imaginary threats is Kaspersky AV. As they are Russian company, it is out of question of course. It also needs to be configured at insanely maximum levels which may mean saying bye to half of CPU speed and power.
Of course there is no point of using a insecure by design OS while NSA funded SE Linux exists.
As Linux and FreeBSD in that point today, someone needs to investigate who or which board had the genius idea of putting Windows to Space. It smells really, really dirty.
I like OS X and Apple but if I had something to put on Space, it would be SE Linux ( http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ) or Trusted BSD http://www.trustedbsd.org/ and nothing else. It is not like they will play God damn DirectX games there. If scientists require Windows, again, they need to get investigated too. GNU doesn't put millions of hours of free work on Fortran support etc. for nothing. If scientist can't code plain Fortran/Java or C code, he is not a scientist.
This is not a regular, "Oh look how stupid they are" thing. If one digs it enough, there could be some sort of Space-Watergate scandal out of it.
Putting a Windows to space is something like amazing joke. As nobody would joke with billion dollar equipment, it must have some background.
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Older times, Microsoft would act like they are friendly to standards and fool some people.
See what happened in 3 months: Silverlight 2 airing of Olympics (instead of V1), IE 8 beta 2 showing broken icon (or done with errors) on W3C compliant pages and let me give a clue to W3C/Moz team: test CPU usage when W3C standard page hits IE 8 beta 2 (thanks to Virtual PC 7!), no shipment of "MS Office 08 viewer" to OS X which they could ship in 15 minutes as the thing itself runs on OS X, broken OOXML importers for OS X.
Do you notice that arrogance?
Not saying they did such GPL crime but, if you look at https://www.helixcommunity.org/ , don't you feel it is a bit surreal?
Such things happen. I call it "nerd coup" ;)
Symbian/Nokia/Sony Ericsson should stand up and defend their decade old software vendors. E.g. Opera. They make that Nokia E90 become almost a tiny laptop when Opera installed and yet Nokia doesn't even list Opera on their "Download!" application. SE is also a big Opera customer and my "Web" which is way similar to iPhone on Sony Ericsson P1i is actually Opera. Of course, being old fashion guy, I rather prefer Opera use their own invention "Small screen rendering".
You should get a demo for E90 having latest firmware and Opera installed to understand what I mean. It is just like Desktop web browser even including embedded Flash (Youtube etc.) You will figure it is in fact the micro laptop.
The "True internet" claim is bugging me since the first introduction of iPhone. I am not an Apple hater , I use Apple whenever possible but... iPhone marketing/administration/developer support is way out of hand and seriously hurting Apple image. Do you remember the G5 ads same organisation suspended? They weren't so right but while $60-$70 J2ME phones do excellent job with Opera Mini, "full internet" is really a bit much claim on Apple's side.
It is simple as "If site is on local intranet, emulate IE6/7" if they wanted and if it was the reason (excuse?).
You know what? If some stuff takes off such as ultra-ultra light devices which can perform as a laptop with comical power needs, they are always powered by FreeScale chips. As Apple policy/ideology is OS X should only run on Apple hardware, what does it mean?
Perhaps MS keeps their PowerPC Windows maintained just in case? It wouldn't be surprise. If you look at Windows NT history, they had to deal with that horrible Intel RISC chip so they won't accidentally code x86 specific code in any case. MS still keeps saying "i386" on various directory and windows update sites for a reason.
If there are people who gave up Altivec because Apple dropped PPC, don't forget, even POWER6 has Altivec now and no reason for FreeScale not to include it.
Sadly, I was naively dreaming that game developers take advantage of the "Only Intel ASM to code", end of endian issue (!) and code real OS X games using OpenGL etc. frameworks.
What did they do? Especially that puppet of MS, EA? They basically ship Windows game to OS X creating all sorts of troubles and add 30% Mac tax to same game title.
Mac gaming is in fact worse shape than PowerPC only days. A tip to people who buys Cider version of games: Bootcamp will run them better and cheaper.
The scientists who didn't prison themselves to MS Windows only variants of those C/Fortran so they don't require a Windows running at space.
If they use MS only stuff, it would create such comical situation of course.
I don't think so, they have seen their users actually install/run Boot Camp to run Windows on Mac sometimes and believe me, there are lots and lots of people having "Untitled" on their Desktops now :) It is just like you hear how "awful" MS Office is but somehow it always make top Apple software at Amazon. It must be BillG ordering all those copies I guess? ;)
If Apple was on Cell organisation, you would expect something like Toshiba did. They keep on x86/Windows but they add a Cell processor as a co-processor to do insane things. Also keep in mind there is nothing stopping any company to put a Cell chip to PCI card, contribute to ffmpeg/vlc code and ship a multi platform media accelerator for PCs and Macs.
It is a sad fact today that x86 stays, at least for Desktop. I can't imagine IBM working with Apple again to provide them POWER6UL (rumoured ultra light). Apple in fact seriously hurt POWER image. They could just say "IBM and Motorola are concentrated on different markets" but they spoke about performance/watt, heat consumption etc. which are ONLY true for PPC line of that huge architecture. They couldn't say "They don't give a heck to our needs" of course :)
After all of this, it would be really hard to convince developers to re-code for POWER instruction set, Altivec etc. It is a radically different thing. I am speaking about consumer/desktop developers of course, POWER is kinda x86 on enterprise market.
Can you imagine IBM engineers going mad over "lower than expected fps" on a popular game? That is the issue. Intel and AMD has such people.
I remember reading on Slashdot, an ancient story. Guys used combination of that liquid and nitrogen to hit some insane Mhz. It was done in Australia.
You would tell me "so find the story". The "search" part of Slashdot... :)
They still get twice as fast but Mhz myth is kinda gone. In fact, there are some same speed Xeons performs almost 30% faster than the same Mhz model because of low nanometer, bigger cache etc. The "Quad Xeon" Apple pro one is a good example. 2 versions, same or similar Mhz, the later one beats first generation by 30%.
BTW as everyone stares to memory bandwidth issues etc. now, people investing to "dead" SGI and rescuing it from chapter 11 are damn clever. Same goes for Cray too.
Perhaps they know the port 22 can give significant power and they would have to deal with that black hat guy drinking $5 coffee and used his collection of stolen SSH passwords while enjoying it.
"Port 80 and 443 only" is some sort of security measure. It is of course old fashioned but... At least it MAY prevent some kinds of stuff.
Also we Symbian/Opera and J2ME/Opera Mini users have been experiencing the "real internet" for ages. We didn't even get boost from "Opera version" of sites, it is just some clever ones sent the mobile optimised version.
An Opera on a high end Symbian handset like Nokia N95 or E90 won't be different from the desktop version in any manner. I can't think of any sites which will degrade in functionality. Java is a different thing, the desktop java is still to heavy for mobile devices so they run J2ME but especially for 2 years, J2ME users constantly get amazed at what that thing can do. I got amazed when Youtube released a J2ME version for example and that thing could play smooth videos.
So do you think Symbian OS will magically lose all DRM functionality when its open source?
It won't happen. You can embed binary DRM frameworks to open source operating systems. Of course if you are Nokia, you have to be open about it, you just say "To protect content providers rights", you and your fans don't claim ridiculous things like the one you replied to.
For security, the perfect example is "Symbian Signed" which is in fact a mixture of Java sandbox idea and "good side" of Windows ActiveX. It took years and years to come up with "best of worst" and Apple ignored it.
Also, even die hard critics of iPhone like me understands what Apple targets and understand it. Of course it doesn't mean I agree with it.
As a very long time, experienced J2ME/Symbian/Smart Phone of all sorts user, I couldn't still understand the point of Google Android. Why are they busy with it instead of giving a huge help to Linux,J2ME, Symbian and WinMo?
Google classes/Framework Linux(embedded), J2ME, Symbian and Windows Mobile. Apple mobile OS X if Apple changes their mind. That is it. That is all needed!
Is trying to re-invent wheel a known side effect of having too much cash and power and don't know what to do with them? MS Silverlight, Google Android and even Adobe Air comes to mind...
I tell you the crazy conspiracy theory. The Android's target is APPLE!
Apple iPhone has some kind of bluetooth that only allows you stereo headsets and nothing else. So they are copying iPhone!
They are the same company who invented "auto torrent generation", that makes me wonder more.
Any file at Amazon S3 can become torrent based if its vendor allows it. E.g. instead of www.s3aws.com/huge.exe , if you put www.s3aws.com/huge.exe?torrent , it comes you as torrent file and it starts tracking it.
(btw I forgot the s3 domain, it could be something else)
So Slashdot gets paid for comments about Amazon like
1) It is stupidly old fashioned, go buy downloadable games instead
2) There is no point to pay extra, have some patience
3) They will trace your home while that game checks for updates and send black helicopters.
So, Amazon paid for this you say?
"Any game which requires a phone home doesn't get purchased, or if slipped in discretely gets returned."
I fail to understand the logic behind buying a software with your credit card which has all your details including your home address and not letting game/software to check for updates using your worthless (compared to CC) IP address.
Why can't I buy DVD ISO of a game or a executable which would produce copy protected DVD-R of game with my credit card making you and game developer profit more instead of plastic manufacturers and DHL?
I am also outside USA which means $30-$40 paid for reliable plastic delivery.
Why are game/software developers obsessed with boxes and plastic? Really... Is there a DHL/FedEx conspiracy? :)
There are several of us on Mac that uses Mac in all opportunities including hosting but would give back iPhone even if it was provided for free. I kinda understand people buying iPhone after today though, it took 5-6 mins for an experienced user like me to make use of the wireless open network at cafe I go. On iPhone, you click their network in "Airport" menu, there it works.
The locked iPhone created some sort of image that Apple would even bother to say what can be coded for OS X or not. It is not the case. If you see a hardware/software doesn't support OS X, especially after Intel switch, reasons could be:
1) They don't have enough manpower to code a C++ (IOKit's version) kernel extension.
2) They need MS backing (usual on companies who puts "supports windows vista!!!" on every kind of crap they make, including Monitors, e.g. Samsung)
3) They don't figure the market they miss.
(old reason 4): You code something for a CPU that is made by Motorola or IBM who doesn't give a shit. After Intel, it changed.
Theoretically you can code some media suite which is ages ahead of iTunes and can compete with Apple, on OS X for FREE using XCode provided by Apple. It is just, the bar is set too high and your hardware/software vendor will compete with you for sure. It is not that they will put some secret chip to crash your app though :)
I was mad to Apple here and bought an external USB2 wireless adapter from a company who is in Mac business for decades.
It comes with perfectly written kernel extension (driver) with great support from company but... You see why OS X on Generic PC isn't OS X after all.
First of all, you install drivers from CD. Second, that magnificently easy, state of art "Airport" menu extra is gone. No single click jumping from one network to other. The driver uses 30% of CPU (via kernel_task) which is also unheard of, in general Mac audience.
It is just a living example of why OS X on general PC is not a good idea. I can easily guess that none of these problems would have happened on Windows because it is coded with "Guy can buy USB2 Wireless" in mind from the start.
I would tell why Google is evil but people having mod powers and having fed by Google Adwords or got tricked by Gmail would censor me.
Apple doesn't claim to code OS X for every machine out there. People using Apple for just 1 Month would understand their point of not allowing OS X to PCs. When OS X is running on PC, "it just works" is gone. GONE I tell you.
It just needs some experience and insight to history of desktop computing. Microsoft and Apple are exactly different faces of a coin. People expect Apple to be Microsoft. It doesn't really work.
The OS which will run perfectly on Pystar PC is, Windows Vista SP1 or XP SP3. Not OS X. There, I said it, feels like suicide at Slashdot but it is the truth. I am also SURE that Ubuntu or any Linux on that machine will beat hell out of OS X. It is not because Apple sells something awful, Apple sells HARDWARE and SOFTWARE. Apple is a software company which designs hardware to run their software perfectly.
How hard is it to understand? The other company, Microsoft is a software company who targets widest reach as possible.
What about Apple's rights? They choose to integrate software and hardware in a perfect manner since their beginning. There were no 68000 Machines running Apple II OS either. They tried clones and while they were made by hugely respected companies who has Mac experience for decades, they decided it won't work and cancelled it.
If you look for conspiracy on old Clone age, look no further than Motorola. Are you telling me that company who didn't give shit to PowerPC and dared to ship 133Mhz FSB (G4) chips in 2004-2006 would be a perfect clone maker so it would become Compaq for Apple?
Dear slashdot, don't fall to Pystars lame scheme. I really don't give a shit to some darkly funded company WANTING to get sued by Apple.
It could be Apple funding Pystar too, to validate their stance against Clone makers. That junk with Realtek stuff is a perfect proof of what shouldn't get OS X installed.
If they insist on using Windows at space, only application which is paranoid enough to defend against everything, even imaginary threats is Kaspersky AV. As they are Russian company, it is out of question of course. It also needs to be configured at insanely maximum levels which may mean saying bye to half of CPU speed and power.
Of course there is no point of using a insecure by design OS while NSA funded SE Linux exists.
As Linux and FreeBSD in that point today, someone needs to investigate who or which board had the genius idea of putting Windows to Space. It smells really, really dirty.
I like OS X and Apple but if I had something to put on Space, it would be SE Linux ( http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ) or Trusted BSD http://www.trustedbsd.org/ and nothing else. It is not like they will play God damn DirectX games there. If scientists require Windows, again, they need to get investigated too. GNU doesn't put millions of hours of free work on Fortran support etc. for nothing. If scientist can't code plain Fortran/Java or C code, he is not a scientist.
This is not a regular, "Oh look how stupid they are" thing. If one digs it enough, there could be some sort of Space-Watergate scandal out of it.
Putting a Windows to space is something like amazing joke. As nobody would joke with billion dollar equipment, it must have some background.