How many processors you have? I got 4 PPC G5s running on 4,5 GB of RAM. Thanks to Adobe, Flash 10 now uses all 4 of them in SMP fashion to cope with complex effects etc.
Adobe must be behind the times to spare such development time to "obsolete" hardware.
Apple WON'T release Snow Leopard for PowerPC because of a basic reason: There is no speed advantage of pure 64bit code/kernel on PPC64bit hardware because PPC was designed with 64bit in mind from the start. There are no "extra registers" and so on. Even funnier, same code may run SLOWER if it is pure 64bit on PPC64 because of design.
Another reason? The idea of GPU computing is way more advanced on x86 World, not PPC. They won't spare their development time to port those massive libraries to PPC.
There is no Silverlight 2 for for PPC also means they don't plan to release XBox 360, PS3 support in near future. They aren't PPC but they are not so distant cousins of my "obsolete" hardware.
Creative people wants to be productive on project they work on.
It is not a myth, Macs are still much more suitable to write scripts, design things because the entire interface is designed NOT TO BUG USER, unless a true catastrophe happens.
Once you steal user focus on Mac, your program is a goner. Trust me. Apologies if I can't picture Stephen King monkeying with viruses and spyware along with windows updates while writing his novel.
For example while writing this reply on Safari, there are several things happening on OS X even including a massive disk check. Nothing, I repeat nothing comes up and say "I did this, I did that", no dialogue appears. Safari is at front and guy is writing something, it is that for OS X.
That is why copying Mac UI graphics or putting some OpenGL powered toys doesn't make anything Mac.
If you are telling Adobe software exists for OS X, I can tell you, the software which Seinfeld is likely written on is Final Draft, the standard tool for screenwriting. They have Windows version for ages too. Just guess the majority of their users run their software on? Do you think Adobe/MS kept releasing software for MacOS while people were arguing about chapter 11 for "romantic" or "nostalgic" purposes?
There is a guy who got nearly arrested because he said "I have really progressed my RPG, you will see the bomb at banking scene soon" next to a police officer.
RPG is the language they use at mainframes and obviously he speaks about a new program for banks.;)
"My favorite mainframe story: "A guy called to ask what procedure he should follow to reboot his mainframe. Tech support told him to just follow the same procedure he did last time. The guy responded, "but only knows how to do that." And so, tech support said "well, get him to do it." At which point the guy remarked: "Well, the problem is he quit 6 years ago.""
If you look at the IBM mainframe cases you will notice they have PS/2 like red power button but it is covered by thin glass, just like fire alarm. It should give idea about in what kind of disaster you may want to turn it off;)
What made me surprised is the use of IBM PS/2 power button design.
In fact they probably have a "twin" running 60 miles away in sysplex fashion so even if you turn it off, the twin will happily keep running with exact same data where the other left.
For me, using Mac just since 2003 thought me something...
"Trust us, as soon as we have a Mac version ready, it will be up and available on our site."
That thing is a lie. They are the same company who abandoned working Silverlight for PPC just about a month ago. So, if you think they will ship Mac version soon and ignoring Linux, think again. They are at least openly telling you in a way that "don't even hope", they are plain lying to Mac users.
A true multiplatform thing like that product they offer can be coded in Trolltech Qt or Java (both with OpenGL) . Can you picture MS using Trolltech Qt or offering a "Java Webstart" tool? Use OpenGL?
If 80% of iPhone owners and 60% of Symbian owners use their devices to browse the web, it is not just "OS X/Linux" platform dependence problem anymore. People should be really careful for technologies they pick and the vendors doing them.
It is not that (in advertisers eye) you lose that 2% nerd using Linux, you lose $1000 Symbian or $2000 iPhone user.
I know a TV station which their high user profile owns Macs as big as 40% percent and they can't sell on demand movies to them because they started with Windows Media DRM which is not supported on OS X.
Yes, hotels should replace their perfectly working VR stuff which is supported on both OS X and Windows (iPhone in future I bet) and they should lock themselves to a thing which only works in Windows.
I am glad Hotel guys are kinda old fashioned and sticks to stuff which is working for them.
Google Earth, Picasa could be ported to OS X and Linux easily thanks to Trolltech Qt Framework and wisely using OpenGL.
If a lib/framework they use doesn't exist on OS X or Linux? It won't ship. Who bashes them? We just laugh at them and naive people who believes in their claims.
No worries, thanks to Mono and Moonlight and the excellent vendor named Novell, you will be enjoying this great technology in 2020! Make sure to check archive.org that time;)
"Photosynth works on PCs using IE or Firefox, but not yet on Macs. "
The "yet" part bugs me. They should stop lying and people should stop trying to pro actively shut up people about their amazing insist on being old Microsoft.
So it doesn't run on Mac? I don't give a shit and look elsewhere for my apps. They probably can't code for OS X anyway. Yes, I think that way.
The Power6 can't run on a home desktop but if the Apple was still working with them, POWER6UL (power6 ultra light) could be on professional workstations of Apple. They could never be same price as Intel Macs of course because of quantity of things and IBM's "hate" to desktops/laptops. They are the guys who sold their PC business to Lenovo, don't forget it.
Also looking to how many people enjoy the weird idea of running Vista on Mac or virtualised fashion, I think Apple and IBM was right to get rid of Power arch. They even pay 30% higher for Windows games masking as OS X.apps (EA games). Guy wants to run that Windows junk on top of a state of art Unix/Next, let him run or he doesn't buy.
COBOL is designed as a business oriented language from start. I don't know why people doesn't figure that huge difference.
Language is designed for business from the start. So perhaps those banks, financial organisations aren't buying mainframes and using COBOL for "nostalgic" purposes, don't you think?
While reading about supercomputers from Cray, I found out they purchased a Cray supercomputer to run the design process of PowerBook and solve issues with Cube.
The tool FAQ mentions is MOLDFLOW and when I checked its site (moldflow.com) , it is indeed owned by Autodesk, makers of Autocad. They also made poor thing run MacOS emulator but it is not on topic:)
So, if they needed to feed monster with massive amounts of data and make sure the data is intact/secure, their choice would be a mainframe. On the FAQ you also read they used the Cray as file server for a while. So, an Apple sized company may actually need a mainframe too. I wonder if they have but it is impossible to learn because I don't even know what is new in OS X 10.5.5 update as a user.
Wiki's problem begins there, a Linux/fashion guy can sit and edit the article using IT scientific arguments. Or a large cluster based computer company.
My bank runs 2 IBM Z9xx mainframes in sysplex mode, they deal with 20 million customers doing millions of transactions a second and once that $10.000 is passed as $100.000, they may lose $90.000 as result.
Same argument goes for Super Computers, they think beowulf cluster can replace them. It doesn't, for some tasks.
IMHO that article you mention could also prove that old fashion knowledge written by real professional scientists could be a better idea on some topics. I don't think the mainframe guys have time to toy with Wiki article edits.
Google won't lose millions or even billions of dollars if one time glitch happens and it shows 848.999.999 results. Mainframe businesses does. Single error, a single error could be catastrophic.
"possibly by prodcing a new version of Silverlight and NOT releasing any specifications on its new features
Well, if that happens... two things:
1. At least Linux users will be able to view Silverlight content up until that point"
Apologies but that "at least" point is already sounding too optimistic since we, powerpc mac users can't view NBC Olympics already because it uses Silverlight 2 while PPC plugin is up to 1.0.
They are like trying to prove so hard that MS can't be trusted even on the machines that are probably used in process. Right, there are many PPC workstations at use at TV stations.
So the point of Silverlight being multi platform with Moonlight emulator (port!) is gone already.
You can't view Olympics if you are using Linux. Period.
Situation on OS X is even funnier, they dropped PowerPC support from OFFICIAL plugin without any viable reason. They better think twice before claiming "codecs" since it won't work. Hell, we encode MS only formats for ages on PowerPC as media professionals using non MS software. Why? It performs better.
They missed something... (in Ballmer way), "Designers designers designers!"
In worst, most dark days of Macintosh, this platform was choice of designers and they were enjoying simultaneous, generally better performing Adobe/Macromedia software. That is way before OS X or Intel switch and if you look at archive.org , people were discussing if Mac will go chap 11 or instantly die daily.
You can't tell a designer to use MS "Visual Studio" on Windows to design. Believe me, it won't work no matter how hard you try. Now I hear obviously really funny suggestions like using a Text Editor (!!!) , you can code Silverlight sites. Yea, it should be possible for HTML/Dynamic sites, everything is text right?:)
They could really shut up people like me by plugging into XCode IDE, shipping some plugins for popular design software (including Adobe) and NOT dropping PowerPC support as early as 2.0 of plugin.
Staring at that tiny "Flash" icon on my Symbian S60 phone and "Mobile Youtube" coded in J2ME, I really think they lost it this time.
A last note: I saw kids checking Asus EEE Linux PC , they asked dealer "does this play youtube?" , dealer said "yes", they said "Great" and the other kid said "See, I told you that you would pay $60 for nothing". That $60 is? Additional windows cost.
Can you watch NBC Olympics on Linux? Why not? Silverlight right?
Can you point me to a single commercial quality or major software which ships to 3 platforms (Win32/OSX/Linux) thanks to being coded in.NET environment? I can point you to many Java Applications from scientific to end user multimedia.
Please don't think everyone not buying their junk is a hopeless "anti M$" FUD monger or claim that. The.NET they ship today is not the.NET they wanted to ship or the "Vista" you see is not the original Vista they intended to ship. I believe the Silverlight was originally planned just like Flash , not the sad thing which only runs on Windows and Intel OS X and nobody cares about. They need a paradigm shift to change from "old Microsoft" but I don't see it is happening. So that guy once applied for a job at MSFT , part of almost chapter 11 Novell coding some kind of backward replica/emulator (oh OK, port!) doesn't impress me at all.
Guy was at MS headquarters the day OpenSuse released a major version update and was blogging about MS building...
By not supporting an official binary player like wmp 7 for OS X which they keep shipping/let download while they know there will be major consequences on Intels and modern OS X, they guarantee you can't buy content from very major sites who were tricked/bribed to serve Wmedia DRM content.
That is their idea and the stupidity of shipping anything paid in a non standard (non mpeg4) format strikes me too. Especially while 3G really begun to take off.
BTW do you think they don't know the consequences of installing Windows Media Player 7, that unmaintained junk on OS X Leopard or worse, Intel Mac? They know for sure but they enjoy it when it sometimes hits top 10 of OS X Downloads. That is Microsoft they seem to trust.
What if you had perfect.NET replacement on Ubuntu which performed up to 30% faster and more secure than Windows version? Wouldn't you recommend your clients to use Linux/Mono instead of Windows? What happens to their corporate Windows sales than?
Unless Microsoft does the inevitable true paradigm shift, don't hope anything. They try so hard to prove they are the old Microsoft, e.g. dropping PowerPC support last second with Silverlight 2.0 and forcing their own customer/client NBC to abandon entire PowerPC Mac using market. Or... Giving up further Windows Media Player for OS X development right at time when Apple switched to Intel which should really make things really easier. With their resources, they can ship full feature Windows Media Player 11 for OS X/Intel. Why don't they? "Enemy" right? So long to professionalism.
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How many processors you have? I got 4 PPC G5s running on 4,5 GB of RAM. Thanks to Adobe, Flash 10 now uses all 4 of them in SMP fashion to cope with complex effects etc.
Adobe must be behind the times to spare such development time to "obsolete" hardware.
Apple WON'T release Snow Leopard for PowerPC because of a basic reason: There is no speed advantage of pure 64bit code/kernel on PPC64bit hardware because PPC was designed with 64bit in mind from the start. There are no "extra registers" and so on. Even funnier, same code may run SLOWER if it is pure 64bit on PPC64 because of design.
Another reason? The idea of GPU computing is way more advanced on x86 World, not PPC. They won't spare their development time to port those massive libraries to PPC.
There is no Silverlight 2 for for PPC also means they don't plan to release XBox 360, PS3 support in near future. They aren't PPC but they are not so distant cousins of my "obsolete" hardware.
Another reason could be, Silverlight is a FLOP on OS X, nobody cares about it. Check versiontracker.com numbers
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/31433 ---> Silverlight
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11622 ---> Adobe Flash 10 beta which any sane or non technical user knows they should stay away until "final" ships. It beats Silverlight by factor 3, the BETA version (previously alpha)
Part of $300M says you are hallucinating and there are no problems on Vista.
Check "Mojave Experiment" which is hosted on Linux server ;)
Creative people wants to be productive on project they work on.
It is not a myth, Macs are still much more suitable to write scripts, design things because the entire interface is designed NOT TO BUG USER, unless a true catastrophe happens.
Once you steal user focus on Mac, your program is a goner. Trust me. Apologies if I can't picture Stephen King monkeying with viruses and spyware along with windows updates while writing his novel.
For example while writing this reply on Safari, there are several things happening on OS X even including a massive disk check. Nothing, I repeat nothing comes up and say "I did this, I did that", no dialogue appears. Safari is at front and guy is writing something, it is that for OS X.
That is why copying Mac UI graphics or putting some OpenGL powered toys doesn't make anything Mac.
If you are telling Adobe software exists for OS X, I can tell you, the software which Seinfeld is likely written on is Final Draft, the standard tool for screenwriting. They have Windows version for ages too. Just guess the majority of their users run their software on? Do you think Adobe/MS kept releasing software for MacOS while people were arguing about chapter 11 for "romantic" or "nostalgic" purposes?
There is a guy who got nearly arrested because he said "I have really progressed my RPG, you will see the bomb at banking scene soon" next to a police officer.
RPG is the language they use at mainframes and obviously he speaks about a new program for banks. ;)
"My favorite mainframe story: "A guy called to ask what procedure he should follow to reboot his mainframe. Tech support told him to just follow the same procedure he did last time. The guy responded, "but only knows how to do that." And so, tech support said "well, get him to do it." At which point the guy remarked: "Well, the problem is he quit 6 years ago.""
If you look at the IBM mainframe cases you will notice they have PS/2 like red power button but it is covered by thin glass, just like fire alarm. It should give idea about in what kind of disaster you may want to turn it off ;)
http://www-903.ibm.com/kr/pressroom/files/IBM_System_z91.jpg
What made me surprised is the use of IBM PS/2 power button design.
In fact they probably have a "twin" running 60 miles away in sysplex fashion so even if you turn it off, the twin will happily keep running with exact same data where the other left.
Trust my word, they must be monkeying with Cider technology to pack it to a OS X .app and it will be Intel OS X only.
Want to bet?
MS Office for OS X of course exists, it sells damn well and they make great money out of it.
For me, using Mac just since 2003 thought me something...
"Trust us, as soon as we have a Mac version ready, it will be up and available on our site."
That thing is a lie. They are the same company who abandoned working Silverlight for PPC just about a month ago. So, if you think they will ship Mac version soon and ignoring Linux, think again. They are at least openly telling you in a way that "don't even hope", they are plain lying to Mac users.
A true multiplatform thing like that product they offer can be coded in Trolltech Qt or Java (both with OpenGL) . Can you picture MS using Trolltech Qt or offering a "Java Webstart" tool? Use OpenGL?
If 80% of iPhone owners and 60% of Symbian owners use their devices to browse the web, it is not just "OS X/Linux" platform dependence problem anymore. People should be really careful for technologies they pick and the vendors doing them.
It is not that (in advertisers eye) you lose that 2% nerd using Linux, you lose $1000 Symbian or $2000 iPhone user.
I know a TV station which their high user profile owns Macs as big as 40% percent and they can't sell on demand movies to them because they started with Windows Media DRM which is not supported on OS X.
Yes, hotels should replace their perfectly working VR stuff which is supported on both OS X and Windows (iPhone in future I bet) and they should lock themselves to a thing which only works in Windows.
I am glad Hotel guys are kinda old fashioned and sticks to stuff which is working for them.
Google Earth, Picasa could be ported to OS X and Linux easily thanks to Trolltech Qt Framework and wisely using OpenGL.
If a lib/framework they use doesn't exist on OS X or Linux? It won't ship. Who bashes them? We just laugh at them and naive people who believes in their claims.
No worries, thanks to Mono and Moonlight and the excellent vendor named Novell, you will be enjoying this great technology in 2020! Make sure to check archive.org that time ;)
"Photosynth works on PCs using IE or Firefox, but not yet on Macs. "
The "yet" part bugs me. They should stop lying and people should stop trying to pro actively shut up people about their amazing insist on being old Microsoft.
So it doesn't run on Mac? I don't give a shit and look elsewhere for my apps. They probably can't code for OS X anyway. Yes, I think that way.
The Power6 can't run on a home desktop but if the Apple was still working with them, POWER6UL (power6 ultra light) could be on professional workstations of Apple. They could never be same price as Intel Macs of course because of quantity of things and IBM's "hate" to desktops/laptops. They are the guys who sold their PC business to Lenovo, don't forget it.
Also looking to how many people enjoy the weird idea of running Vista on Mac or virtualised fashion, I think Apple and IBM was right to get rid of Power arch. They even pay 30% higher for Windows games masking as OS X .apps (EA games). Guy wants to run that Windows junk on top of a state of art Unix/Next, let him run or he doesn't buy.
COBOL is designed as a business oriented language from start. I don't know why people doesn't figure that huge difference.
Language is designed for business from the start. So perhaps those banks, financial organisations aren't buying mainframes and using COBOL for "nostalgic" purposes, don't you think?
While reading about supercomputers from Cray, I found out they purchased a Cray supercomputer to run the design process of PowerBook and solve issues with Cube.
http://www.spikynorman.dsl.pipex.com/craywwwstuff/Cfaqp3.html#TOC23
The tool FAQ mentions is MOLDFLOW and when I checked its site (moldflow.com) , it is indeed owned by Autodesk, makers of Autocad. They also made poor thing run MacOS emulator but it is not on topic :)
So, if they needed to feed monster with massive amounts of data and make sure the data is intact/secure, their choice would be a mainframe. On the FAQ you also read they used the Cray as file server for a while. So, an Apple sized company may actually need a mainframe too. I wonder if they have but it is impossible to learn because I don't even know what is new in OS X 10.5.5 update as a user.
Wiki's problem begins there, a Linux/fashion guy can sit and edit the article using IT scientific arguments. Or a large cluster based computer company.
My bank runs 2 IBM Z9xx mainframes in sysplex mode, they deal with 20 million customers doing millions of transactions a second and once that $10.000 is passed as $100.000, they may lose $90.000 as result.
Same argument goes for Super Computers, they think beowulf cluster can replace them. It doesn't, for some tasks.
IMHO that article you mention could also prove that old fashion knowledge written by real professional scientists could be a better idea on some topics. I don't think the mainframe guys have time to toy with Wiki article edits.
Google won't lose millions or even billions of dollars if one time glitch happens and it shows 848.999.999 results. Mainframe businesses does. Single error, a single error could be catastrophic.
Thank to Linux/FreeBSD/gcc and present day Apple XCode policy on that. Nothing else.
They were extremely bugged by developers installing/using Linux/BSD to develop using free, available and quality tools.
It is not like they finally woke up and started to act like 2000s software company. It still doesn't happen.
"possibly by prodcing a new version of Silverlight and NOT releasing any specifications on its new features
Well, if that happens... two things:
1. At least Linux users will be able to view Silverlight content up until that point"
Apologies but that "at least" point is already sounding too optimistic since we, powerpc mac users can't view NBC Olympics already because it uses Silverlight 2 while PPC plugin is up to 1.0.
They are like trying to prove so hard that MS can't be trusted even on the machines that are probably used in process. Right, there are many PPC workstations at use at TV stations.
So the point of Silverlight being multi platform with Moonlight emulator (port!) is gone already.
You can't view Olympics if you are using Linux. Period.
Situation on OS X is even funnier, they dropped PowerPC support from OFFICIAL plugin without any viable reason. They better think twice before claiming "codecs" since it won't work. Hell, we encode MS only formats for ages on PowerPC as media professionals using non MS software. Why? It performs better.
They missed something... (in Ballmer way), "Designers designers designers!"
In worst, most dark days of Macintosh, this platform was choice of designers and they were enjoying simultaneous, generally better performing Adobe/Macromedia software. That is way before OS X or Intel switch and if you look at archive.org , people were discussing if Mac will go chap 11 or instantly die daily.
You can't tell a designer to use MS "Visual Studio" on Windows to design. Believe me, it won't work no matter how hard you try. Now I hear obviously really funny suggestions like using a Text Editor (!!!) , you can code Silverlight sites. Yea, it should be possible for HTML/Dynamic sites, everything is text right? :)
They could really shut up people like me by plugging into XCode IDE, shipping some plugins for popular design software (including Adobe) and NOT dropping PowerPC support as early as 2.0 of plugin.
Staring at that tiny "Flash" icon on my Symbian S60 phone and "Mobile Youtube" coded in J2ME, I really think they lost it this time.
A last note: I saw kids checking Asus EEE Linux PC , they asked dealer "does this play youtube?" , dealer said "yes", they said "Great" and the other kid said "See, I told you that you would pay $60 for nothing". That $60 is? Additional windows cost.
Can you watch NBC Olympics on Linux? Why not? Silverlight right?
Can you point me to a single commercial quality or major software which ships to 3 platforms (Win32/OSX/Linux) thanks to being coded in .NET environment? I can point you to many Java Applications from scientific to end user multimedia.
Please don't think everyone not buying their junk is a hopeless "anti M$" FUD monger or claim that. The .NET they ship today is not the .NET they wanted to ship or the "Vista" you see is not the original Vista they intended to ship. I believe the Silverlight was originally planned just like Flash , not the sad thing which only runs on Windows and Intel OS X and nobody cares about. They need a paradigm shift to change from "old Microsoft" but I don't see it is happening. So that guy once applied for a job at MSFT , part of almost chapter 11 Novell coding some kind of backward replica/emulator (oh OK, port!) doesn't impress me at all.
Guy was at MS headquarters the day OpenSuse released a major version update and was blogging about MS building...
By not supporting an official binary player like wmp 7 for OS X which they keep shipping/let download while they know there will be major consequences on Intels and modern OS X, they guarantee you can't buy content from very major sites who were tricked/bribed to serve Wmedia DRM content.
That is their idea and the stupidity of shipping anything paid in a non standard (non mpeg4) format strikes me too. Especially while 3G really begun to take off.
BTW do you think they don't know the consequences of installing Windows Media Player 7, that unmaintained junk on OS X Leopard or worse, Intel Mac? They know for sure but they enjoy it when it sometimes hits top 10 of OS X Downloads. That is Microsoft they seem to trust.
Sad thing is, I can confirm this too with 10.5.4 and... Flash player 10 release candidate beta.
What if you had perfect .NET replacement on Ubuntu which performed up to 30% faster and more secure than Windows version? Wouldn't you recommend your clients to use Linux/Mono instead of Windows? What happens to their corporate Windows sales than?
Unless Microsoft does the inevitable true paradigm shift, don't hope anything. They try so hard to prove they are the old Microsoft, e.g. dropping PowerPC support last second with Silverlight 2.0 and forcing their own customer/client NBC to abandon entire PowerPC Mac using market. Or... Giving up further Windows Media Player for OS X development right at time when Apple switched to Intel which should really make things really easier. With their resources, they can ship full feature Windows Media Player 11 for OS X/Intel. Why don't they? "Enemy" right? So long to professionalism.