This highlights that downloading media does have this potential consequence.
While it's sad that this student feels this way, and I've done the same activities myself, anyone considering taking up p2p should consider the small risk of being put under this much pressure to the point that you feel like committing suicide.
I have sympathy for this anonymous student for feeling like killing herself- but you are responsible for your actions and their consequences. It would be different if this was one of the many, many people who a) were dead, b) didn't have computers, c) were under 8 years old, etc. that RIAA has sued over the years (I mean seriously- how could they screw up so badly so many times-- I have to think it is because they were clueless about technology and also that they hired idiots who talked a good show).
I think most agree the artists deserve some compensation. I think most know there are legal ways you can get free songs. And there are numerous safe illegal ways you can get free/extremely inexpensive songs if you are poor (for example, if 15 of you band together, your cost per song is about 10 cents and the artists get some money). (yea-- I do condone poor people taking advantage of the system to have a little pleasure- I think the wealthy rip off everyone to the point that it is justified).
I personally think the cost for songs is way too high and reflects the reality of 1959, not 2009.
Artists do not deserve to be paid forever less one day (I think 28 years is plenty). So resisting the greedy bastards at RIAA is warranted.
But ghandi knew he would be punished and accepted his punishment. If you p2p songs and you are dumb (most likely) or unlucky (shit happens) then suck it up. No wimps in the paint. If you do commit suicide, go somewhere and make it count. Call the media and off yourself at a music headquarters. Don't just die as an anonymous statistic.
He neglected that key phase used since time immemorial.
"I was over at a friend's house and they started up this movie..."
There is a thin line between scooping and getting fired.
There was a chance he would have gotten a pat on the back for taking initiative and scooping the other reviewers.
---
Anyway... as it happens I was at a friend's house and I saw some part between 1% and 100% of an possibly unreleased movie and I thought it was pretty good. The amnesia aspect covers a lot of history retcon that bothered me. It was very cool to see the state of wirework and special effects and I'm looking forward to seeing the film in the theatre. However, if it had sucked, I probably would have skipped the theatre so this would cost the producers money from people that would have seen it but don't like it.
Saw MvA and Coraline this weekend too. Hate the super high price-- probably won't see many with this 3d gimmick-- not nearly as many as are coming out. It doesn't add much to the experience and is a bit annoying.
We noticed that the glasses are not polarized in the traditional way (you can't take two sets and rotate them and get black/100% blockage. Did notice a color shift on rotation. One theory was circular polarization. I'll have to read up on how it works.
They encourage you to recycle the glasses- I noticed different glasses have different fits. One set was comfortable while another set was like being in the vise of death -- so if I do this much, I'll get and keep a comfortable pair.
I apologize- I left out the brackets or slashdot ate some and that is a mess.
Let me just summarize.
Protecting the windmills will add a lot to the cost of generating power. Criminals ignore the risks all the time OR they are so desperate that the risks don't enter into it, and they only need to succeed once to disrupt power for a long time. There is regular piracy all over the world now.
Can you put windmills out several miles from shore and protect them? Sure-- but I imagine the protection costs will be significant (millions of dollars a year). And the potential for disruption is high. You can't base your entire power strategy on this- maybe 15% at most.
People take these gambles all the time and when they lose, the consequences for loss are much worse than they imagine. Gambling that sea based wind is 100% reliable, is gambling on a long term blackout. You need to assume that the sea based wind power will regularly have issues an mainly focus on using wind to reduce use of oil, coal and gas, when wind is online.
Okay, let's assume that your figure is correct, and there is something worth $20k at the top of each windmill.
What is the cost (in time and equipment) of boating 200 miles out into the ocean, safely removing a two-ton box of copper from the top of an operating 300 foot tall windmill, and hauling it back to your secret hideout? Let's call that cost M.
In the case that you already own the boat and are running into financial problems... OR you stole the boat... let's call M = "$0". However, fuel is an issue. I'm going to assume fuel runs a minimum of $40k. So you have to take at least two generators worth of copper.
Now, what is the cost of getting caught stealing that box? Include fines, jail time, loss of equipment, etc. Let's call that cost N. Being a criminal and desperate anyway, you discount fines, etc. Otherwise, why would people commit crimes on land for a lot less potential gain. Also, if "enforcement" = $0, then N = $0. If "Enforcement" = $$$$$$,the your cost of energy generation is $0 + $$$$$$.
Finally, what is the probability of getting caught? Let's call that probability P. When calculating P, keep in mind that the owners of the windmill will have hours of incriminating video of you pulling up to the windmill, taking the equipment, and sailing away again, and that there are few places to hide in the open ocean. Amazingly, there is regular piracy at sea now. Even to the extent of attacking cruise ships (which carry crew and devices to protect themselves- those sonic gunds were pretty effective).
>Given all of the above, the average profit a thief can expect to make from stealing a $20k box from a windmill is: 20,000-(M+(P*N)). If that value turns out to be less than zero (or not significantly more than zero), then no rational thief is going to bother trying to steal it. (of course there might be irrational thieves, but they will merely serve as cautionary examples to everyone else when they get caught and/or fail to make much profit).
Given X*20,000-(M+(P*N)) (where X = the number of copper generator cores stolen, if the parent articles cost of generation is "W$"*Y+Maint = Cost$, you need add an enforcement / protection cost to the equation that's being ignored.
So W$*Y+Maint + Enforcement$ = Cost$.
>Put another way.... life finds a way, if and only if there is a way. When something is impractical or impossible, that something doesn't happen.
On this point- I completely agree. My original post was pointing out that you can't ignore the cost of protecting assets like this which are made out of valuable materials. Even just the videos and people to monitor them add a couple hundred grand a year to the costs for generating the power. Much less an armed coast guard cruiser with a crew of 80. I don't think onshore coal, gas, oil, and even nuclear plants would cost as much since static defenses and location provide a lot of protection for "free".
And who the hell would have ever thought that thieves would have attacked occupied houses and stolen the AC condensers for the copper? Or completely gutted unguarded houses of all wiring? If copper becomes extremely valuable, then the $20k, goes way up as well.
While I am pretty sure north korea is crazy as fuck.
I've now reached a point where I don't trust information fed to me by american media either.
I was propagandized from the 3rd grade.
Who knows. Over population kills us all in 50 to 80 years anyway.
Who gives a shit any more. Seriously. A lot of us are going to die.
What was it they said in heavy metal...
Then you die, she dies, everybody dies.
However, I suppose the alternative is an eternity of fascist paradise where everything you do is tightly controlled since there are so many people that everything you do has an impact on someone else.
then when there is a crisis, all you will have left is generic coders.
Not much help with the problem is some obscure interaction between your three programming languages, two databases, and several other major packages include MQ, workflow, etc.
Personally, I think the applications are written in too many languages to master these days.
And you find your new drive doesn't work... because it's the opposite.
Hmmm.
However, you could record the state of last insert And then when the use attempts to read the disk, if you read it successfully, then have it. And it would have been self healing.
So then the only issue would be two different drives in the same system (we used to have them you know-- to copy floppies easily) which had different types of insert.
The windmill isn't valuable. The tiny little box at the top is. Probably $20k worth of copper (couple tons) at the top of each turbine.
Put it another way... Life finds a way. Either you pay for security for these things (raising the cost of the power generated by at least a half a million a year for a boat, crew, etc.) or when they become common enough, they will be the target of theft.
The Tsunami would probably pass unnoticed in deep water.
I read "deep" water as international water but apparently they mean within 3 miles of shore. So maybe the Tsunami would be more noticeable.
I see these as a big target for pirates, thieves, and national attacks. They are a great part (5%?) of a total solution. But maintenance in a high salt environment with lots of motion (waves, wind) seems to be in magic land to me.
Amazing to get a "Redundant" when you are one of 15 posts. But I guess the environmental wacko's wanted to shut down the thread before it got going (too late!).
Pirates are a problem all over the world.
Yet, amazingly wouldn't be for wind farms.
An enemy could probably take out a wind farm with a single submarine. But pirates would just chip away at you over time. Zoom in, collapse a tower, take fifty grand worth of precious metals- and then leave.
Obviously stupid, but a lot of people will lose internet access just like a lot of people sitting in jail could be living productive lives just like cigarette and alchohol vendors.
Three strikes and you are out is a ridiculously low standard, so you can be sure that it will not be enforced on the elite. If it ever is, the law will be revoked.
Three separate estimates for a project have determined that making a change will take about 1400 to 2800 hours. These were swag by a analyst with 8 years experience with the application, a formal 40 hour estimate by a different analyst with 9 years experience with the application, and an outside estimate by a contracting house (who wink/wink made it clear the 1400 hour estimate was really them lowering their billing rate to get some work- they would be working 20 hours a week unpaid to make the 1400 hour estimate).
The CIO came in and said "I don't see how this can be so hard", drew some boxes on a whiteboard as the "high level design" and said, "this should take 400 hours". (This was after the three estimates kept disagreeing with her wishes)
And *every* VP and senior director in the room, nodded in agreement and didn't say a god damned thing.
One of the ways planned to meet this goal is to assume testing will find no defects and take one week less than normal. That's just one -- there were more.
In the current environment- IT people are seeing some really bizarre behavior by the business types (I have friends at three other companies that report similar experiences).
They have little orange dots in the theatre. Not sure if they have them at this stage.
If the person was smart, they could change the forensics.
I imagine you need a chain of evidence from the workprint on the internet back to a person somehow. Because otherwise, faking the forensics data makes it impossible to say a particular person did it beyond a reasonable doubt.
But you might be able to track the uploads and downloads through IP logs if the person was dumb and did it on their personal equipment.
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I also turn everything off every chance I get.
I want flat text.
Every change they've made has annoyed me.
And get off my lawn. --- (joke portion to lighten up- but the rest above I'm serious about)
This highlights that downloading media does have this potential consequence.
While it's sad that this student feels this way, and I've done the same activities myself, anyone considering taking up p2p should consider the small risk of being put under this much pressure to the point that you feel like committing suicide.
I have sympathy for this anonymous student for feeling like killing herself- but you are responsible for your actions and their consequences. It would be different if this was one of the many, many people who a) were dead, b) didn't have computers, c) were under 8 years old, etc. that RIAA has sued over the years (I mean seriously- how could they screw up so badly so many times-- I have to think it is because they were clueless about technology and also that they hired idiots who talked a good show).
I think most agree the artists deserve some compensation. I think most know there are legal ways you can get free songs. And there are numerous safe illegal ways you can get free/extremely inexpensive songs if you are poor (for example, if 15 of you band together, your cost per song is about 10 cents and the artists get some money). (yea-- I do condone poor people taking advantage of the system to have a little pleasure- I think the wealthy rip off everyone to the point that it is justified).
I personally think the cost for songs is way too high and reflects the reality of 1959, not 2009.
Artists do not deserve to be paid forever less one day (I think 28 years is plenty).
So resisting the greedy bastards at RIAA is warranted.
But ghandi knew he would be punished and accepted his punishment. If you p2p songs and you are dumb (most likely) or unlucky (shit happens) then suck it up. No wimps in the paint. If you do commit suicide, go somewhere and make it count. Call the media and off yourself at a music headquarters. Don't just die as an anonymous statistic.
He neglected that key phase used since time immemorial.
"I was over at a friend's house and they started up this movie..."
There is a thin line between scooping and getting fired.
There was a chance he would have gotten a pat on the back for taking initiative and scooping the other reviewers.
---
Anyway... as it happens I was at a friend's house and I saw some part between 1% and 100% of an possibly unreleased movie and I thought it was pretty good. The amnesia aspect covers a lot of history retcon that bothered me. It was very cool to see the state of wirework and special effects and I'm looking forward to seeing the film in the theatre. However, if it had sucked, I probably would have skipped the theatre so this would cost the producers money from people that would have seen it but don't like it.
Saw MvA and Coraline this weekend too. Hate the super high price-- probably won't see many with this 3d gimmick-- not nearly as many as are coming out. It doesn't add much to the experience and is a bit annoying.
We noticed that the glasses are not polarized in the traditional way (you can't take two sets and rotate them and get black/100% blockage. Did notice a color shift on rotation. One theory was circular polarization. I'll have to read up on how it works.
They encourage you to recycle the glasses- I noticed different glasses have different fits. One set was comfortable while another set was like being in the vise of death -- so if I do this much, I'll get and keep a comfortable pair.
I apologize- I left out the brackets or slashdot ate some and that is a mess.
Let me just summarize.
Protecting the windmills will add a lot to the cost of generating power.
Criminals ignore the risks all the time OR they are so desperate that the risks don't enter into it, and they only need to succeed once to disrupt power for a long time.
There is regular piracy all over the world now.
Can you put windmills out several miles from shore and protect them? Sure-- but I imagine the protection costs will be significant (millions of dollars a year).
And the potential for disruption is high. You can't base your entire power strategy on this- maybe 15% at most.
People take these gambles all the time and when they lose, the consequences for loss are much worse than they imagine.
Gambling that sea based wind is 100% reliable, is gambling on a long term blackout.
You need to assume that the sea based wind power will regularly have issues an mainly focus on using wind to reduce use of oil, coal and gas, when wind is online.
okay-- I sleep now.
Okay, let's assume that your figure is correct, and there is something worth $20k at the top of each windmill.
What is the cost (in time and equipment) of boating 200 miles out into the ocean, safely removing a two-ton box of copper from the top of an operating 300 foot tall windmill, and hauling it back to your secret hideout? Let's call that cost M.
In the case that you already own the boat and are running into financial problems... OR you stole the boat... let's call M = "$0". However, fuel is an issue. I'm going to assume fuel runs a minimum of $40k. So you have to take at least two generators worth of copper.
Now, what is the cost of getting caught stealing that box? Include fines, jail time, loss of equipment, etc. Let's call that cost N. ,the your cost of energy generation is $0 + $$$$$$.
Being a criminal and desperate anyway, you discount fines, etc. Otherwise, why would people commit crimes on land for a lot less potential gain.
Also, if "enforcement" = $0, then N = $0. If "Enforcement" = $$$$$$
Finally, what is the probability of getting caught? Let's call that probability P. When calculating P, keep in mind that the owners of the windmill will have hours of incriminating video of you pulling up to the windmill, taking the equipment, and sailing away again, and that there are few places to hide in the open ocean.
Amazingly, there is regular piracy at sea now. Even to the extent of attacking cruise ships (which carry crew and devices to protect themselves- those sonic gunds were pretty effective).
>Given all of the above, the average profit a thief can expect to make from stealing a $20k box from a windmill is: 20,000-(M+(P*N)). If that value turns out to be less than zero (or not significantly more than zero), then no rational thief is going to bother trying to steal it. (of course there might be irrational thieves, but they will merely serve as cautionary examples to everyone else when they get caught and/or fail to make much profit).
Given
X*20,000-(M+(P*N)) (where X = the number of copper generator cores stolen, if the parent articles cost of generation is "W$"*Y+Maint = Cost$, you need add an enforcement / protection cost to the equation that's being ignored.
So W$*Y+Maint + Enforcement$ = Cost$.
>Put another way.... life finds a way, if and only if there is a way. When something is impractical or impossible, that something doesn't happen.
On this point- I completely agree. My original post was pointing out that you can't ignore the cost of protecting assets like this which are made out of valuable materials. Even just the videos and people to monitor them add a couple hundred grand a year to the costs for generating the power. Much less an armed coast guard cruiser with a crew of 80. I don't think onshore coal, gas, oil, and even nuclear plants would cost as much since static defenses and location provide a lot of protection for "free".
And who the hell would have ever thought that thieves would have attacked occupied houses and stolen the AC condensers for the copper? Or completely gutted unguarded houses of all wiring? If copper becomes extremely valuable, then the $20k, goes way up as well.
While I am pretty sure north korea is crazy as fuck.
I've now reached a point where I don't trust information fed to me by american media either.
I was propagandized from the 3rd grade.
Who knows. Over population kills us all in 50 to 80 years anyway.
Who gives a shit any more. Seriously. A lot of us are going to die.
What was it they said in heavy metal...
Then you die, she dies, everybody dies.
However, I suppose the alternative is an eternity of fascist paradise where everything you do is tightly controlled since there are so many people that everything you do has an impact on someone else.
Isn't it whoosh?
I don't want to presume too much.
then when there is a crisis, all you will have left is generic coders.
Not much help with the problem is some obscure interaction between your three programming languages, two databases, and several other major packages include MQ, workflow, etc.
Personally, I think the applications are written in too many languages to master these days.
And you find your new drive doesn't work... because it's the opposite.
Hmmm.
However, you could record the state of last insert
And then when the use attempts to read the disk, if you read it successfully, then have it.
And it would have been self healing.
So then the only issue would be two different drives in the same system (we used to have them you know-- to copy floppies easily) which had different types of insert.
The windmill isn't valuable. The tiny little box at the top is. Probably $20k worth of copper (couple tons) at the top of each turbine.
Put it another way... Life finds a way. Either you pay for security for these things (raising the cost of the power generated by at least a half a million a year for a boat, crew, etc.) or when they become common enough, they will be the target of theft.
Then they locked up the rich,
I remained silent;
I was not rich.
wtf??
Oh, I guess you mean Bernie Madoff, Martha Stuart, Leona Helmsly and O.J.
I know... for the love of god, why are we PRESUMING this guy is innocent!?!?!
(+1 Now that's just plain silly)
I agree with most of your post.
The Tsunami would probably pass unnoticed in deep water.
I read "deep" water as international water but apparently they mean within 3 miles of shore. So maybe the Tsunami would be more noticeable.
I see these as a big target for pirates, thieves, and national attacks. They are a great part (5%?) of a total solution. But maintenance in a high salt environment with lots of motion (waves, wind) seems to be in magic land to me.
Thank you.
Amazing to get a "Redundant" when you are one of 15 posts. But I guess the environmental wacko's wanted to shut down the thread before it got going (too late!).
Pirates are a problem all over the world.
Yet, amazingly wouldn't be for wind farms.
An enemy could probably take out a wind farm with a single submarine. But pirates would just chip away at you over time. Zoom in, collapse a tower, take fifty grand worth of precious metals- and then leave.
Oh! Mod this up.
Great idea.
Huh.
Large valuable floating masses of copper and other metals in international waters. Either lightly guarded-- or a large ongoing cost for security.
A critical part of the nations electrical generation in international waters.
Makes sense to me!
What could go wrong?
Obviously stupid, but a lot of people will lose internet access just like a lot of people sitting in jail could be living productive lives just like cigarette and alchohol vendors.
Three strikes and you are out is a ridiculously low standard, so you can be sure that it will not be enforced on the elite. If it ever is, the law will be revoked.
I didn't say as much I would normally.
But I said a hell of a lot more than they did.
At the end of my spiel, she blinked a couple times and then started talking like I had said nothing.
It was strangely... robotic.
Personally,
I'd rather be stabbed to death than slowly burned to death.
Personally, ...
True story...
Three separate estimates for a project have determined that making a change will take about 1400 to 2800 hours. These were swag by a analyst with 8 years experience with the application, a formal 40 hour estimate by a different analyst with 9 years experience with the application, and an outside estimate by a contracting house (who wink/wink made it clear the 1400 hour estimate was really them lowering their billing rate to get some work- they would be working 20 hours a week unpaid to make the 1400 hour estimate).
The CIO came in and said "I don't see how this can be so hard", drew some boxes on a whiteboard as the "high level design" and said, "this should take 400 hours". (This was after the three estimates kept disagreeing with her wishes)
And *every* VP and senior director in the room, nodded in agreement and didn't say a god damned thing.
One of the ways planned to meet this goal is to assume testing will find no defects and take one week less than normal. That's just one -- there were more.
In the current environment- IT people are seeing some really bizarre behavior by the business types (I have friends at three other companies that report similar experiences).
They have little orange dots in the theatre. Not sure if they have them at this stage.
If the person was smart, they could change the forensics.
I imagine you need a chain of evidence from the workprint on the internet back to a person somehow. Because otherwise, faking the forensics data makes it impossible to say a particular person did it beyond a reasonable doubt.
But you might be able to track the uploads and downloads through IP logs if the person was dumb and did it on their personal equipment.
I kind of agree with you on art.
However, I view this as a corporate production by a committee - not a work of art.
It is no different than the latest "Fry's" add in it's essence.
I'll wait to see the finished product so the product can produce the appropriate tuned, tested, and approved emotional effects.
I prefer to sit on my porch and yell, "Get off MY joke!"
But you tell the young folks that, and they'll never believe you.
It seemed like everyone I inspected had 3 achievements to start with.
So I assume people got their top three achievements.
Haven't seen a "first post" yet.