You may not believe it but it's been reported regularly over the last two decades.
Such as when a mixed group of white and black girls are picked up shoplifting. The white girls parents are called and they are released without an arrest record. Meanwhile- one of the officers says "Trash goes in back" and formally arrests the black girls. This girls live in the same neighborhood. They are friends. Same socio economic group. But one group has white skin and the other has black skin.
And just look up what happens in florida. Seriously -suspended sentence for 18 year old white kid- 4 years prison for the 18 year old black kid for the *same crime*. A study of the DA and the judge show this kind of behavior is a pattern.
This kind of behavior creates enormous costs for society. If you criminalize a person at 18, you could be paying $31,000 a year to incarcerate them for most of their life. And that means higher taxes. And that also means a person who might have been paying taxes is instead a drain on taxpayers.
It's like that in texas too. We used to have 6 good weeks of winter with regular periods longer than a week where there was ice on the ground while I walked to school.
Now, we get a few hours at night of freezing temperatures. But (on topic) we did get 8 weeks of overcast a couple years ago. That would have been a bad case for solar.
Germany has gotten 85% of their total power generation from solar some days this year and projects that such days will become increasingly common going forward. By 2030, they project year round coverage (which means during sunny months they will have power to spare.).
Solar panels are still improving in capacity by about 5% per year and dropping in price by about 5% per year.
Batteries are *also* doing about as well.
You may have a point on the disposal costs except...
Solar panels don't fail like that (except cheap ones that fail to weather). A solar panel produced will *still* be producing significant power in 50 years. Someone will be interested in using them at the right price.
And the absolute king of disposal cost explosion is nuclear. Plants estimated at 39 million in disposal costs are running over 600 million (and the tab is still going up) and there is literally no place to dispose of some radioactive materials.
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It's much more likely that lack of critical raw materials like chromium, manganese, magnesium, etc. will bring our civilization to a hard over shoot scenario* before solar panels fail.
*that's when we over a very short period of time realize we are several billion people past the carrying capacity of the planet. We might avoid it- but only by inventing replacements for stainless steel and dozens of other materials all within a 10-15 year window.
Oh, it's grimmer than that. The father was first put in jail as a young man. Gaining a felony record and never having a chance at a regular life.
Meanwhile, the white kid wasn't even stopped, and if he had been stopped, would not have been searched, have been let off with a warning, or if he had actually have been arrested would have been given a deferred sentence (because he had a bright future), and finally if he had actually been sentenced- it would have been 50% to 90% lighter than the sentence given to the black youth for the same crime.
And yes- everything I just wrote has happened to black and white kids over the last 5 years. It's STILL happening. We need equal justice. If the laws fell as harshly on white families (especially rich white families) then the laws would be changed to be less harsh.
Within the last decade, while minority mothers are going to jail for 11 years for less than a joint- willie nelson was paying a $4,000 fine and being let off for a damn bag of pot.
And it's the same story all over the country.
Black kid has a toy gun- reported as "black male brandishing a piston" police pull up and shoot him dead in literally under 2 seconds on the scene. Meanwhile a drunk white man has a loaded ak-47 and the cops spend a half a hour talking him down.
Just in the last year we had a white sheriff defending a bunch of young white rapists because he didn't want to "ruin their life".
As an older white texan who voted for reagan and bush sr, the injustice makes me sick.
I agree with your point but studies have shown that when people know others will check their work they are less careful.
The basic problem was and is- humans are not perfect machines.
Humans make mistakes.
This can be influenced by training, experience, lack of sleep, domestic problems, illness.
Companies need to take measures appropriate to their risk.
Anyway, I agree with your point that it's a process failure. But you can add all the process you want- if humans are involved there will be a unavoidable rate of problems. You can reduce that rate but not to zero.
Puerto Rico's 2017 budget was 9 billion dollars total.
What would 11 billion dollars of defense budget spending do for the state? Especially if it generated a typical 77 billion in economic activity? Their current debt would be trivial in such an economy.
A naval base? A few tens of millions of dollars annually? Really?
How about just something similar to Maryland (#17th per capita defense spending) which received 20 Billion for 6 million people which would be about 11 Billion for 3.4 milllion puerto ricans.
How about high quality, high paying defense jobs building parts of some unwanted airplane or some unneeded tanks?
Oh, and I left off that Coal Mines pollute huge areas with mercury and other airborne toxins. Only last year did older plants finally have to start refitting to modern standards.
I'm not against nuclear power per se. We just have a bad record with it due to human nature.
Your point on batteries is a good one. Batteries do not last as long as solar panels and maintenance and replacement do need to be included in the cost estimates.
The amounts of real estate required by solar are a rounding error compared to the land we've lost from nuclear accidents.
I've been following solar for a couple decades now. It is continuously dropping in cost while also increasing in capacity. Likewise, battery technology is now constantly dropping in cost while also increasing in capacity.
In each case, it's about 5% cheaper per year and about 5% better per year.
Nuclear should be limited to the small automatic plants which only can power about 5,000 houses and where *significant* amounts of money are set in escrow from the first day to cover decommissioning costs. A human being literally should not be able to do anything to cause the plants to fail, including blowing them up, setting the to inappropriate values, etc.
Even after Fukishima, the backup generators for the florida nuclear plant on the pacific coast are only raised 20'. Even after a 17' storm surge was observed within 40 miles by the last hurricane to hit that area. 27' storm surge has been created by hurricanes elsewhere on the gulf coast.
Waves are on top of storm surge so 20' isn't enough. Yet, it's been over a decade and nothings been done. When the power is lost because those diesel generators are swamped and the plant has a problem, they'll be talking about how it couldn't be foreseen because whatever storm does it is unprecedented. They should be raised to 30' asap.
But solar is break even now- and cheaper soon. And at much lower risk. Nuclear can be reduced to use in northern climates with long overcast periods and in spot uses/load balancing. We don't need huge nuclear plants any more.
The problem being that generational power outages can be significantly longer. Blizzards, earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes can all knock out power for weeks.
I think Puerto Rico would be well served by having a solid, disaster proof island wide background to which less expensive wiring as you propose is attached.
Volunteer digging efforts could be organized and that would lower the cost of laying electric wiring (tho I imagine waterproof cable will still be more expensive than water resistant wiring but maybe not.).
If puerto rico became a state, they would immediately benefit from millions or even billions of dollars of federal defense spending funneled there by it's two senators.
That money would then circulate thru the puerto rican economy multiple times.
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It wouldn't hurt to have key trunk lines built to hurricane standards (with cheap break off wiring locally.)
Yea and the cool thing is on a good day is you can't even see the coal plants from a half a mile away because the pollution hides them. On a bad day, it's best not to go outside at all.
Nuclear works out to about the same cost of electricity.
Nuclear plants are notorious for underestimating decommissioning costs AND for collecting profits during lifecycle and then dumping those decommissioning costs on the public by going bankrupt/"selling" the plant to a fake company which then goes bankrupt. (one plant had estimated decommissioning costs of $39 million and ended up over 640 million).
Texas power is a little cheaper but not much. I pay 11c/kwh and some is offered for 15c/kwh- some for 8c/kwh.
Given sufficient battery power, solar is also stable.
Humans have a bad record managing nuclear power plants. Cautious at first and then increasingly cutting corners and getting sloppy as the decades pass.
The failure cost of a solar plant does not include losing the use of 525+ square miles of prime real estate for a few centuries.
Fully electric commerical passenger plains are projected in under 20 years. Fully electric small passenger plains already exist.
You'll only need jet fuel for the longest flights... and you can use biofuel for that. Oil only makes sense when it is cheaper than biofuels. As oil loses it's network effects, volume cost savings, and trillion dollar security subsidies (who's going to go to war over oil if it ceases to be a military resource and isn't used by passenger vehicles), it will become more expensive.
Yes, but we won't be giving them billions of dollars each year for oil any more.
Huge wealth drives odd behavior. In this case, saudi princes having hundreds of millions of dollars to toss around on violent strains of islam. And to support the saudi royal family by buying peace from it's citizens.
Please take the time to donate a little cash to puerto rico.
The international relief fund is **** rated by charity navigator and has nothing to do with Clinton or Trump.
I donated $25. It's not much but I'm retired. I did help 4 strangers whose houses were flooded by Harvey rip out all their wet sheetrock and insulation but I can't physical help in puerto rico.
They really need the help. They are U.S. Citizens. They are not being well served and this weekend looks to add more misery on top of them. If you go to charity navigator you can get the web page and direct mailing address. Every dime will go to the charity then.
I don't know anyone in puerto rico. I just know it's horrific there and since the government isn't doing it's job, we the citizens need to help more than we might otherwise do (knowing our tax dollars were doing it normally).
Mrs. Clinton has a lifetime of actions which show she cares about people.
The clinton foundation is highly rated by charity navigator and takes a smaller portion of money to run than the American Red Cross and many other charities including religious charities.
You are in extreme denial of reality.
Clinton was calling for the U.S.S. Comfort to be sent to Puerto Rico for days before the trump administration finally stopped dealing with the NFL crisis*. Of course now, while puerto ricans are dying in the dark- Mr. Trump is playing golf... AGAIN... on YOUR tax dollars (and mine) taking the opportunity to funnel more tax dollars into his businesses and personal fortune.
* where athletes were protesting against the Trump administration's racism- NOT against the national anthem- tho it really probably be played at a private non-governmental event and people are not required to "honor" it anyway and players weren't even on the field when it played until 2009 anyway- playing it is inherently political and inserts politics into a private sporting event).
Yes, the nazi's are lying when they called themselves socialists.
I listed above the actions they took which were facist including nationalizing the means of production. They did not protect workers and under nazi government, the government owned the means of production not the community/workers. Nazi's are facists.
Yes, the KKK were involved with the Democratic party. What changed? The democrats passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which meant anyone who was a racist no longer wanted to be part of the democratic party.
And the republicans under Nixon devised a "southern strategy" which is widely known which focused on picking up those racists voters. While democrats used to be racist, now republicans are increasingly racist. Fifty years is a long time.
The nazi's not only were lying- quotes from hitler show clearly they knew they were lying. Their goals were not 'extremely' socialist. They were 'extremely' fascist.
Snopes has a well known bias-- for the facts and the truth.
From your response, you are probably an alt-right president trump supporter. And we all know how Mr. Trump (and just about everyone in his administration) feels about the truth. They feel they are above the law and can lie with impunity. And as soon as they are under oath the truth will come out or some of them are going to end up in jail for 5-10.
Here is the definition of facism we've used for over a century before all this alt-right revisionist crap.
Definition of Fascism. 1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. 2.
Note: "Regimenting all industry, commerce, etc.". When Governments nationalize companies it is facism. Nationalizing companies is facism.
Definition of Socialism a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Note- the COMMUNITY- not the GOVERNMENT- owns the means of production. When Workers own of companies it is socialism. The definition for socialism is already above. It is where the workers own the means of production- not the government.
The allies called the nazi's facists when we fought them in the 1940s. They knew what communists, socialists, and facists were and they called them fascists.
The nazi's are fascists who falsely labeled themselves socialists.
No, they called themselves "socialist" only to trick workers.
The actions they took were not left wing.
They oppressed workers rights. They destroyed labor unions (and killed labor union leaders). They removed social safety nets for all non-aryans. Hitler and other nazi officials openly attacked the left wing verbally as well. Far from social equality, they were for social elitism of a few aryans.
Despite using the word "socialist" in their title, the nazi's did not take "left wing" actions. They took "right wing" actions.
So toss aside the "left/right" wing title.
Are we opposed to stripping workers of protections against unpaid overtime, safety and health protections? Are we opposed to killing and enslaving people who are not member of a particular racial group? Are we opposed to a version of nationalism that justifies invading and conquering other nations- killing their people- stealing their resources- i.e. war? Are we opposed to a version of racism which extended to experimenting on children until they died and included atrocities like using their skin to make lampshades?
Only the U.S. is a big champion of unlimited free speech. So who cares? You can't promote truthful nazi speech in germany. They had some problems with it and a lot of people died. So now it's restricted speech.
Free speech depends on accurate information.
If all these ads had text that said, "This was written and published by a russian agent" then the false stories would have less impact. Sadly, they would still have some impact because people "want to believe".
Any free speech presented as news should tie back to hard data or to an identified person. Anonymity is more suitable to Free speech which is purely opinion.
This wasn't always true... but now we know we can't trust news that can't be validated and that it's a weakness of free speech.
We also don't allow people to shout fire in a crowded theater, lie about other living people, incite violence, and restrict free speech legally (backed up by the supreme court) in a half dozen other ways. Restricting free speech by russian propaganda agencies may need to join libel, inciting violence, conspiracy, and other things already restricted.
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You may not believe it but it's been reported regularly over the last two decades.
Such as when a mixed group of white and black girls are picked up shoplifting. The white girls parents are called and they are released without an arrest record. Meanwhile- one of the officers says "Trash goes in back" and formally arrests the black girls. This girls live in the same neighborhood. They are friends. Same socio economic group. But one group has white skin and the other has black skin.
And just look up what happens in florida. Seriously -suspended sentence for 18 year old white kid- 4 years prison for the 18 year old black kid for the *same crime*. A study of the DA and the judge show this kind of behavior is a pattern.
This kind of behavior creates enormous costs for society. If you criminalize a person at 18, you could be paying $31,000 a year to incarcerate them for most of their life. And that means higher taxes. And that also means a person who might have been paying taxes is instead a drain on taxpayers.
It's like that in texas too. We used to have 6 good weeks of winter with regular periods longer than a week where there was ice on the ground while I walked to school.
Now, we get a few hours at night of freezing temperatures. But (on topic) we did get 8 weeks of overcast a couple years ago. That would have been a bad case for solar.
That said...
https://cleantechnica.com/2017...
Germany has gotten 85% of their total power generation from solar some days this year and projects that such days will become increasingly common going forward. By 2030, they project year round coverage (which means during sunny months they will have power to spare.).
Sticker shock?
Lol.
Have you not been following solar?
Solar panels are still improving in capacity by about 5% per year and dropping in price by about 5% per year.
Batteries are *also* doing about as well.
You may have a point on the disposal costs except...
Solar panels don't fail like that (except cheap ones that fail to weather). A solar panel produced will *still* be producing significant power in 50 years. Someone will be interested in using them at the right price.
And the absolute king of disposal cost explosion is nuclear. Plants estimated at 39 million in disposal costs are running over 600 million (and the tab is still going up) and there is literally no place to dispose of some radioactive materials.
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It's much more likely that lack of critical raw materials like chromium, manganese, magnesium, etc. will bring our civilization to a hard over shoot scenario* before solar panels fail.
*that's when we over a very short period of time realize we are several billion people past the carrying capacity of the planet. We might avoid it- but only by inventing replacements for stainless steel and dozens of other materials all within a 10-15 year window.
Oh, it's grimmer than that. The father was first put in jail as a young man. Gaining a felony record and never having a chance at a regular life.
Meanwhile, the white kid wasn't even stopped, and if he had been stopped, would not have been searched, have been let off with a warning, or if he had actually have been arrested would have been given a deferred sentence (because he had a bright future), and finally if he had actually been sentenced- it would have been 50% to 90% lighter than the sentence given to the black youth for the same crime.
And yes- everything I just wrote has happened to black and white kids over the last 5 years. It's STILL happening. We need equal justice. If the laws fell as harshly on white families (especially rich white families) then the laws would be changed to be less harsh.
Within the last decade, while minority mothers are going to jail for 11 years for less than a joint- willie nelson was paying a $4,000 fine and being let off for a damn bag of pot.
And it's the same story all over the country.
Black kid has a toy gun- reported as "black male brandishing a piston" police pull up and shoot him dead in literally under 2 seconds on the scene. Meanwhile a drunk white man has a loaded ak-47 and the cops spend a half a hour talking him down.
Just in the last year we had a white sheriff defending a bunch of young white rapists because he didn't want to "ruin their life".
As an older white texan who voted for reagan and bush sr, the injustice makes me sick.
Actually, it was just a silly joke. :-)
You'll be able to conveniently use your social security number to get your new id number.
I agree with your point but studies have shown that when people know others will check their work they are less careful.
The basic problem was and is- humans are not perfect machines.
Humans make mistakes.
This can be influenced by training, experience, lack of sleep, domestic problems, illness.
Companies need to take measures appropriate to their risk.
Anyway, I agree with your point that it's a process failure. But you can add all the process you want- if humans are involved there will be a unavoidable rate of problems. You can reduce that rate but not to zero.
Puerto Rico's 2017 budget was 9 billion dollars total.
What would 11 billion dollars of defense budget spending do for the state? Especially if it generated a typical 77 billion in economic activity? Their current debt would be trivial in such an economy.
A naval base? A few tens of millions of dollars annually? Really?
How about just something similar to Maryland (#17th per capita defense spending) which received 20 Billion for 6 million people which would be about 11 Billion for 3.4 milllion puerto ricans.
How about high quality, high paying defense jobs building parts of some unwanted airplane or some unneeded tanks?
Oh, and I left off that Coal Mines pollute huge areas with mercury and other airborne toxins. Only last year did older plants finally have to start refitting to modern standards.
I'm not against nuclear power per se. We just have a bad record with it due to human nature.
Your point on batteries is a good one. Batteries do not last as long as solar panels and maintenance and replacement do need to be included in the cost estimates.
The amounts of real estate required by solar are a rounding error compared to the land we've lost from nuclear accidents.
I've been following solar for a couple decades now. It is continuously dropping in cost while also increasing in capacity. Likewise, battery technology is now constantly dropping in cost while also increasing in capacity.
In each case, it's about 5% cheaper per year and about 5% better per year.
Nuclear should be limited to the small automatic plants which only can power about 5,000 houses and where *significant* amounts of money are set in escrow from the first day to cover decommissioning costs. A human being literally should not be able to do anything to cause the plants to fail, including blowing them up, setting the to inappropriate values, etc.
Even after Fukishima, the backup generators for the florida nuclear plant on the pacific coast are only raised 20'. Even after a 17' storm surge was observed within 40 miles by the last hurricane to hit that area. 27' storm surge has been created by hurricanes elsewhere on the gulf coast.
Waves are on top of storm surge so 20' isn't enough. Yet, it's been over a decade and nothings been done. When the power is lost because those diesel generators are swamped and the plant has a problem, they'll be talking about how it couldn't be foreseen because whatever storm does it is unprecedented. They should be raised to 30' asap.
But solar is break even now- and cheaper soon. And at much lower risk. Nuclear can be reduced to use in northern climates with long overcast periods and in spot uses/load balancing. We don't need huge nuclear plants any more.
The problem being that generational power outages can be significantly longer. Blizzards, earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes can all knock out power for weeks.
I think Puerto Rico would be well served by having a solid, disaster proof island wide background to which less expensive wiring as you propose is attached.
Volunteer digging efforts could be organized and that would lower the cost of laying electric wiring (tho I imagine waterproof cable will still be more expensive than water resistant wiring but maybe not.).
If puerto rico became a state, they would immediately benefit from millions or even billions of dollars of federal defense spending funneled there by it's two senators.
That money would then circulate thru the puerto rican economy multiple times.
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It wouldn't hurt to have key trunk lines built to hurricane standards (with cheap break off wiring locally.)
Yea and the cool thing is on a good day is you can't even see the coal plants from a half a mile away because the pollution hides them. On a bad day, it's best not to go outside at all.
One can assume that the british electric plant will produce power at a competitive rate.
https://www.theecoexperts.co.u...
So 9-17p/kwh (avg 13.37 p/kwh).
Nuclear works out to about the same cost of electricity.
Nuclear plants are notorious for underestimating decommissioning costs AND for collecting profits during lifecycle and then dumping those decommissioning costs on the public by going bankrupt/"selling" the plant to a fake company which then goes bankrupt. (one plant had estimated decommissioning costs of $39 million and ended up over 640 million).
Texas power is a little cheaper but not much. I pay 11c/kwh and some is offered for 15c/kwh- some for 8c/kwh.
Given sufficient battery power, solar is also stable.
Humans have a bad record managing nuclear power plants. Cautious at first and then increasingly cutting corners and getting sloppy as the decades pass.
The failure cost of a solar plant does not include losing the use of 525+ square miles of prime real estate for a few centuries.
Fully electric commerical passenger plains are projected in under 20 years.
Fully electric small passenger plains already exist.
You'll only need jet fuel for the longest flights... and you can use biofuel for that. Oil only makes sense when it is cheaper than biofuels. As oil loses it's network effects, volume cost savings, and trillion dollar security subsidies (who's going to go to war over oil if it ceases to be a military resource and isn't used by passenger vehicles), it will become more expensive.
Yes, but we won't be giving them billions of dollars each year for oil any more.
Huge wealth drives odd behavior. In this case, saudi princes having hundreds of millions of dollars to toss around on violent strains of islam. And to support the saudi royal family by buying peace from it's citizens.
Not sure.
Say I offered you a million dollars to solve it? Could you?
Here's some ideas.
slaves carrying/passing up water.
archmedian screwpumps (being cast in bronze by 900bc were an egyptian thing.
It seems to me if they built these big canals then they might show up on satellite maps now that we know what to look for.
That'd be one way to prove the theory.
He's implying that they directed water into a watertight interior column/area. That floated stones to the top.
Well, it's a bit of progress so I'll take it!
Please take the time to donate a little cash to puerto rico.
The international relief fund is **** rated by charity navigator and has nothing to do with Clinton or Trump.
I donated $25. It's not much but I'm retired. I did help 4 strangers whose houses were flooded by Harvey rip out all their wet sheetrock and insulation but I can't physical help in puerto rico.
They really need the help. They are U.S. Citizens. They are not being well served and this weekend looks to add more misery on top of them. If you go to charity navigator you can get the web page and direct mailing address. Every dime will go to the charity then.
I don't know anyone in puerto rico. I just know it's horrific there and since the government isn't doing it's job, we the citizens need to help more than we might otherwise do (knowing our tax dollars were doing it normally).
Mrs. Clinton has a lifetime of actions which show she cares about people.
The clinton foundation is highly rated by charity navigator and takes a smaller portion of money to run than the American Red Cross and many other charities including religious charities.
You are in extreme denial of reality.
Clinton was calling for the U.S.S. Comfort to be sent to Puerto Rico for days before the trump administration finally stopped dealing with the NFL crisis*. Of course now, while puerto ricans are dying in the dark- Mr. Trump is playing golf... AGAIN... on YOUR tax dollars (and mine) taking the opportunity to funnel more tax dollars into his businesses and personal fortune.
* where athletes were protesting against the Trump administration's racism- NOT against the national anthem- tho it really probably be played at a private non-governmental event and people are not required to "honor" it anyway and players weren't even on the field when it played until 2009 anyway- playing it is inherently political and inserts politics into a private sporting event).
Yes, the nazi's are lying when they called themselves socialists.
I listed above the actions they took which were facist including nationalizing the means of production. They did not protect workers and under nazi government, the government owned the means of production not the community/workers. Nazi's are facists.
Yes, the KKK were involved with the Democratic party. What changed? The democrats passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which meant anyone who was a racist no longer wanted to be part of the democratic party.
And the republicans under Nixon devised a "southern strategy" which is widely known which focused on picking up those racists voters. While democrats used to be racist, now republicans are increasingly racist. Fifty years is a long time.
The nazi's not only were lying- quotes from hitler show clearly they knew they were lying. Their goals were not 'extremely' socialist. They were 'extremely' fascist.
Snopes has a well known bias-- for the facts and the truth.
From your response, you are probably an alt-right president trump supporter. And we all know how Mr. Trump (and just about everyone in his administration) feels about the truth. They feel they are above the law and can lie with impunity. And as soon as they are under oath the truth will come out or some of them are going to end up in jail for 5-10.
Here is the definition of facism we've used for over a century before all this alt-right revisionist crap.
Definition of Fascism.
1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. 2.
Note: "Regimenting all industry, commerce, etc.".
When Governments nationalize companies it is facism.
Nationalizing companies is facism.
Definition of Socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Note- the COMMUNITY- not the GOVERNMENT- owns the means of production.
When Workers own of companies it is socialism.
The definition for socialism is already above. It is where the workers own the means of production- not the government.
The allies called the nazi's facists when we fought them in the 1940s.
They knew what communists, socialists, and facists were and they called them fascists.
The nazi's are fascists who falsely labeled themselves socialists.
No, they called themselves "socialist" only to trick workers.
The actions they took were not left wing.
They oppressed workers rights.
They destroyed labor unions (and killed labor union leaders).
They removed social safety nets for all non-aryans.
Hitler and other nazi officials openly attacked the left wing verbally as well.
Far from social equality, they were for social elitism of a few aryans.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/09/...
Despite using the word "socialist" in their title, the nazi's did not take "left wing" actions. They took "right wing" actions.
So toss aside the "left/right" wing title.
Are we opposed to stripping workers of protections against unpaid overtime, safety and health protections?
Are we opposed to killing and enslaving people who are not member of a particular racial group?
Are we opposed to a version of nationalism that justifies invading and conquering other nations- killing their people- stealing their resources- i.e. war?
Are we opposed to a version of racism which extended to experimenting on children until they died and included atrocities like using their skin to make lampshades?
Are you?
Only the U.S. is a big champion of unlimited free speech. So who cares?
You can't promote truthful nazi speech in germany. They had some problems with it and a lot of people died. So now it's restricted speech.
Free speech depends on accurate information.
If all these ads had text that said, "This was written and published by a russian agent" then the false stories would have less impact. Sadly, they would still have some impact because people "want to believe".
Any free speech presented as news should tie back to hard data or to an identified person.
Anonymity is more suitable to Free speech which is purely opinion.
This wasn't always true... but now we know we can't trust news that can't be validated and that it's a weakness of free speech.
We also don't allow people to shout fire in a crowded theater, lie about other living people, incite violence, and restrict free speech legally (backed up by the supreme court) in a half dozen other ways. Restricting free speech by russian propaganda agencies may need to join libel, inciting violence, conspiracy, and other things already restricted.