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Former Equifax CEO Blames Breach On One Individual Who Failed To Deploy Patch (techcrunch.com)

Equifax's recently departed CEO is blaming the largest data breach in history on a single person who failed to deploy a patch. TechCrunch reports: Hackers exposed the Social Security numbers, drivers licenses and other sensitive info of 143 million Americans earlier this summer by exploiting a vulnerability in Apache's Struts software, according to testimony heard today from former CEO Richard Smith. However, a patch for that vulnerability had been available for months before the breach occurred. Now several top Equifax execs are being taken to task for failing to protect the information of millions of U.S. citizens. In a live stream before the Digital Commerce and Consumer Protection subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce committee, Smith testified the Struts vulnerability had been discussed when it was first announced by CERT on March 8th.

Smith said when he started with Equifax 12 years ago there was no one in cybersecurity. The company has poured a quarter of a billion dollars into cybersecurity in the last three years and today boasts a 225 person team. However, Smith had an interesting explainer for how this easy fix slipped by 225 people's notice -- one person didn't do their job. "The human error was that the individual who's responsible for communicating in the organization to apply the patch, did not," Smith, who did not name this individual, told the committee.

255 comments

  1. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's Spartacus!

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  2. Nice to have Cyber Security Team by avandesande · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sucks that you don't do configuration management.

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    1. Re:Nice to have Cyber Security Team by Tokolosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What do the other 224 do?

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    2. Re:Nice to have Cyber Security Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen, it's an organizational failure that this were even possible.

    3. Re:Nice to have Cyber Security Team by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Funny

      What do the other 224 do?

      Apparently, not watch that one guy...

    4. Re: Nice to have Cyber Security Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Management...sometimes it takes 225 bosses to tell you that you should patch something...they needed that 1 other open head count to be filled...i guess this will just be a blog post about almost being secure except for that one missing piece. Sad!

    5. Re:Nice to have Cyber Security Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Meetings to plan the schedule of that one guy.

    6. Re:Nice to have Cyber Security Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      224 Process and Project Managers. Busily creating PPT presentations and creating BS statistics.

    7. Re:Nice to have Cyber Security Team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked on a software project with NONE of the following: configuration management, continuous integration, design, architecture, repository, requirements, automated testing, automated builds, or peer review. And guess what, everything sucked and everything failed, shit broke all the time, nothing was ever delivered even remotely on time, etc. but that's not because we weren't good engineers. It's because of a COMPLETE LACK OF ORGANIZATION. It was utterly and completely the fault of management, period. I am 100% this is the IT culture at Equifucks.

    8. Re:Nice to have Cyber Security Team by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      They fill out all the paperwork to show that they're secure... Of course. That's what the government thinks. Paperwork makes us secure.

  3. I smell bullshit. by Hylandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If .25Bn has been invested then there's sure as hell no process that could have allowed a single critical patch go unchecked as described. There's teams, or should be teams of people watching these things.

    I smell a really shitty cop-out excuse.

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    1. Re:I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Makes one wonder how many times it was breached pre 2014 when they weren't taking it seriously.

    2. Re:I smell bullshit. by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You missed the best part, 3 years ago, they didn't even have a security department. At least according to his throw the wage slave under the bus testimony. He's distracting you with this tale of rouge employee while dropping a bombshell you didn't even notice.

      3 years ago the company responsible for approving credit for all americans had NO information security department. According to the CEO's testimony they had zero budget and not a single employee dedicated to security of their IT networks. That's grounds for jailing him IMO.

    3. Re:I smell bullshit. by Hylandr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I caught that part but was much more incensed by the lame attempt to parry liability.

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    4. Re:I smell bullshit. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      3 years ago the company responsible for approving credit for all Americans ...

      Technically, Equifax and the other credit bureaus don't approve credit to anyone, they simply provide a centralized source for credit information. Individual lenders make approval decisions based on this information - which is available to, and can be challenged by, the borrower.

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    5. Re:I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the best part, 3 years ago, they didn't even have a security department.

      That is NOT what was in the article:

      "Smith said when he started with Equifax 12 years ago there was no one in cybersecurity. The company has poured a quarter of a billion dollars into cybersecurity in the last three years and today boasts a 225 person team."

      So, 12 years ago there was no one in cyber security.

      And they spent 250 million in the last 3 years.

      That doesn't say when they started having people in cyber security.

      That doesn't say when they started spending significant amounts (ie, what did they spend 11 to 4 years ago).

      They could have started spending millions 11 years ago and the CEO's statements would still be true.

    6. Re:I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, 12 years ago they did not have any cyber security. Ohhh that is bad!

    7. Re:I smell bullshit. by dszd0g · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's either utter incompetence or bullshit.

      At the enterprise level and especially for PCI compliance there should be 3 independent levels where this could have been caught: 1) applying the patch, 2) monitoring patch compliance, 3) vulnerability scanning. Organizations that really care about security also have a Web Application Firewall (WAF) or other Intrusion Detection System (IDS) or Intrusion Prevention System (IPS) which would have been a fourth level that could have prevented this attack.

      Blaming this attack on one person when there should have at least been 3 levels of prevention with at least 3 different teams involved is stupid.

      1) Patch Management Solution: In the enterprise, this should be a software solution (like Quest KACE or IBM BigFix type solutions) that monitor the patches on each endpoint and apply patches on a schedule after they are tested. Most organizations have a 30 day patch cycle although critical remote vulnerabilities like this should have been escalated sooner.

      What would have been reasonably possible is for the person responsible for escalating the patch to apply sooner than 30 days could have missed escalating it. However, the normal 30 day cycle then should have caught it.

      a) Patch application
      b) Patch monitoring

      In some organizations there is one team that applies the patches (and is usually involved in testing the upcoming patches) another team that monitors the patch levels. In other organizations they are the same team although there should still be independent checks for application and monitoring.

      2) Vulnerability Scanning: Especially anything that is visible to the Internet should get vulnerability scanned at least every 30 days. A decent remote vulnerability scanning software should have picked this up. Tenable's Nessus which is one of the industry standard vulnerability scanners tests for CVE-2017-5638 which is the vulnerability that effected Equifax. Nessus started testing for it on March 14th.

      3) Web Application Firewall: Web Application Firewalls will block known attacks before they hit the application. A decent WAF should block known vulnerabilities such as the one that hit Equifax as long as it was up to date. That said a lot of companies I have worked with tend to run WAFs in intrusion detection mode instead of intrusion prevention mode due to false positives and not wanting to block legitimate traffic. Some companies I have worked with are much better than others at going through the alarms, how quickly they respond to alarms, and filtering out the false positives so that the alarms are easier to manage. Usually for Web applications you will have a WAF rather than a general purpose IDS/IPS as the WAF will have access to the unencrypted traffic although there are ways to have IDS/IPS products have access to the Web server private certificates to decrypt the traffic.

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    8. Re:I smell bullshit. by rthille · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's before someone invented this "cyber" bullshit. Back 12 years ago, it would have been "network security" or "computer security".

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    9. Re:I smell bullshit. by Hylandr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After reading this it occurs to me that it's much more likely someone sold the info rather than had it hacked.

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    10. Re: I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about if a credit reporting agency tells potential creditors false things about me - like that I incurred a debt incurred by somebody else using my name - that cause me damage, I can sue for defamation and get punitive damages? Why not?

    11. Re:I smell bullshit. by shaitand · · Score: 2

      "If .25Bn has been invested then there's sure as hell no process that could have allowed a single critical patch go unchecked as described. There's teams, or should be teams of people watching these things."

      The .25Bn and teams of people sounds like the problem to me. Like in every other large enterprise environment that leads to a whole lot of procedures and massive dysfunctional security theater. The security people want everything silo'd, disconnected, and to tie the hands of ops in every way possible and then want everything fully patched on a schedule that simply isn't feasible at that scale operationally. Generally there is something like a 90 day requirement on critical patches... in a large enterprise environment you probably won't even find out all the applications that are running in 1-5yrs, let alone keep up with every patch for every application that doesn't get bundled with OS patches. And of course half their environment is probably ancient EOL or EOL for everybody who couldn't get the vendor to make a super special exception that isn't actually backed by any resources and therefore on some kind of exception list that makes them compliant.

    12. Re:I smell bullshit. by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      You have missed an even better story. Due to their stellar job at keeping our person information secure, Equifax was awarded a no bid contract for personal identification for the IRS. Oh man, now we are really f*%ked.

    13. Re:I smell bullshit. by gweihir · · Score: 0

      Those 250M were probably paid as bonuses to musicians and the like...

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    14. Re:I smell bullshit. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I agree. Full liability with his personal fortune and significant prison time. How the hell can you run a company this size and with data this critical without a competent IT security division? Negligence does not get more gross than this.

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    15. Re:I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... tale of rouge employee while dropping a bombshell ...

      But I like stories about red-heads. Also, what hair colour did the bombshell have?

    16. Re:I smell bullshit. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Okay, as much as I hate to appear like I'm defending Equifax in any way... You simply can't really make such a statement of fact like that from the information given so far.

      Smith said when he started with Equifax 12 years ago there was no one in cybersecurity. The company has poured a quarter of a billion dollars into cybersecurity in the last three years and today boasts a 225 person team.

      All we can infer for certain is that sometime between 12 years ago and 3 years ago a dedicated cybersecurity team was formed, and what the last three years combined budget was.

      That doesn't really mean there were no security-focused employees before that, of course, as the job was probably rolled into the general IT budget and operational responsibilities. As such, it may be difficult for anyone to break down exactly what the budget and head count were specifically for security before there was a dedicated department.

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    17. Re:I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They provide a credit worthiness score in addition to personal information. How they come up with that score is secret.

    18. Re: I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cyber has been around for decades

    19. Re:I smell bullshit. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If .25Bn has been invested then there's sure as hell no process that could have allowed a single critical patch go unchecked as described.

      Spending lots of money does not guarantee a good process. Heck it could be evidence that the process was poor from the beginning.

      I smell a really shitty cop-out excuse.

      I don't think so. I have no doubt in my mind that Equifax are truly incompetent on every level including the ability to come up with a process that is resistant to such human error.

      This isn't a "cop-out excuse". This is evidence of severe missmanagement and their shareprice deserves to be slaughtered as a result.

    20. Re: I smell bullshit. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Good question. I suspect they have a defense that they don't tell anybody anything about you at all, they merely report what others tell them about you.

      I'm not saying that this is a good defense.

    21. Re:I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Those 250M were probably paid as bonuses to musicians and the like...

      I believe you under estimate the cost of hookers and blow.

      Anyway, I think it will soon be proven beyond reasonable doubt that Mr Scape Goat was responsible for every single failure in the company's long history.

    22. Re:I smell bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After reading this it occurs to me that it's much more likely someone sold the info rather than had it hacked.

      Why not both? Who says it was a single actor in all of this?

      GP post is close to my own company practices. If you have an internet-facing system, you have 3 days from when a CVE is released (with either vendor patch or workaround) to comply. Those systems are scanned multiple times per day for compliance. Want an exemption? Be prepared to justify it in front of fairly high-level executive.

      I'd like to see the Equifax CIO testify - in similar detail - how their internal security practices work in front of Congress. Cost is irrelevant, I care about actual practices.

    23. Re:I smell bullshit. by RedEars · · Score: 1

      To be fair, if that 0.25 bn is spent on hookers, blow and yacht trips, there's not much left for process control.

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    24. Re:I smell bullshit. by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      More like criminal than lame. After all, they are saying that ONE MAN was responsible for deploying patches on systems worldwide.* That must be one overworked, exhausted zombie of an employee. After all, he is apparently a team of one, with no assistance, supervision or accountability until the shit hits the fan.

      The other 224 were responsible for making sure the coffee maker got cleaned once a month, along with, as mentioned by an earlier AC...writing his schedule.

      *Equifax employs approximately 9900 employees in 24 countries. So this one guy is responsible for thousands of systems in multiple languages, on multiple continents. Motherfucker must be Ultra-Caffeine powered Supernerd!

      Or, he's the Argentinian that used Admin, for the Admin account, convenient scapegoat there!

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    25. Re: I smell bullshit. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      In addition, if you're denied credit or a loan, you're entitled to a free report from the credit bureau that supplied the information used for the decision. If there is erroneous information, you can dispute it (in writing) and the bureau will attach that to your report. Not sure to what extent they will investigate.

      For general information, for those that don't know, you're entitled to one free report from each of the three credit bureau every twelve months. A good strategy is to request a report from a different one every four months - as most (all?) of the information should be same across them. This can be done through the following website or via the phone or snail mail (also below).

      Main: https://www.annualcreditreport...

      Getting Your Credit Reports: https://www.annualcreditreport...
      (lists phone and U.S. mail info)

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    26. Re:I smell bullshit. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Considering the volume of inquiries they competently handle on a daily basis I am disinclined to agree. Performing those tasks at scale requires a competent IT force or it wouldn't happen. The fact that they can get the job done so well points out just how blatant the lie was.

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    27. Re:I smell bullshit. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      sounds like, Like in every other large enterprise, want everything fully patched on a schedule that simply isn't feasible at that scale operationally., Generally, something like, in a large enterprise environment you probably won't even find out all the applications that are running in 1-5yrs, probably ancient,

      Please refrain from speaking about things you clearly know nothing about.

      This may be true for small shops where the IT force is one person with zero automation. But anything enterprise these days is automated to a large degree. Even small government shops are capable of turning around 2 day patches of critical vulnerabilities even if the whole system hasn't been updated until more formal testing can occur.

      As noted elsewhere in this topic, They have nearly 2k employees world-wide. They can serve queries at pace with no delay. The excuse that one person didn't patch is BS.

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    28. Re:I smell bullshit. by slashrio · · Score: 1

      It's not a bombshell, it's cognitive or predictive programming.
      Next time someone tries to make clear that 3 years ago they even didn't have a security department, you'll go like: "Yeah, we know that already..."

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    29. Re:I smell bullshit. by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Well, that's why it was a music major.

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    30. Re:I smell bullshit. by slashrio · · Score: 1

      So the 'hack' was state sponsored...

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    31. Re:I smell bullshit. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "Please refrain from speaking about things you clearly know nothing about."

      Sorry armchair pro. Go back to fantasy land.

      "This may be true for small shops where the IT force is one person with zero automation. But anything enterprise these days is automated to a large degree."

      LOL Sounds like you are drinking the koolaid big time. Let me guess, you are a dev? I hate to break it to you, automation frameworks don't actually deliver on their promises for one very simple reason, execution across the environment is the smallest time delay in a real environment. Admins already have scripts and solutions in enterprise that could rapidly deploy patches and have no trouble whipping something up to make a change across hundreds of systems even without an automation framework. Also, you are definitely delusional if you think "anything enterprise these days is automated to a large degree" if you are implying a fully deployed and comprehensive automations infrastructure and not the cobbled together scripts of administrators and some kind of framework like openview.

      An enterprise environment consists of not one but many companies all with different authorization chains and differing procedures, even different ticketing systems and everything silo'd all to hell. Many of those pieces are and always will be one person with zero automation infrastructure but all the overhead of a change approval process that must go through multiple committees and multiple sub environments. The people who have to install them are usually not one person, usually it is a small team responsible for hundreds or even thousands of servers running many applications.

      "As noted elsewhere in this topic, They have nearly 2k employees world-wide. They can serve queries at pace with no delay."

      What does serving queries have to do with anything? It's easy to serve boatloads of requests for a single application, there are maybe 5-6 server roles each horizontally scaled across a large count of individual members. In fact, it is so easy to handle the operational issues that go along with that the operational team who handles it will be responsible for another 20-50 unrelated applications and trimmed down to the number of people it takes to handle the operational issues on a day-to-day basis leaving zero bandwidth for tasks that actually require investing time.

      But hey, you just go off and live in your fantasy land where large enterprise environments are actually secure and fully patched. That is the kind of bullshit you say and pretend at work when it's your job but if you think it actually reflects reality at ANY fortune 500 OR government agency you are completely delusional.

      Do you know what automations frameworks did for this process? Instead of writing a 5min quick and dirty script you can run and then quickly run through any edge cases that went wrong you now have to formally develop and debug a module to coding standards (hours for even the simplest module), write test cases (just as long again, testing frameworks double bugs, not reduce them), run the entire thing through formal approval process.... depending on what scale it is applicable to that could be one change committee, two, or could require an individual sign-off from one or dozens of departments, you might even had to silo your automations framework up in a way that lets you apply it group-by-group as you get the approvals or the different groups might all be silo'd and have to write their own modules that do the same thing. Finally you get to actually run your module and find all the bugs weeks later, for the first time. The problems and bugs are far far more likely in your module logic than the actual patch. And you know what, all that siloing and overhead? That is the best case scenerio because if the enterprise didn't have all that overhead, you could actually break hundreds or even thousands of systems in a single shot with your automations framework.

    32. Re:I smell bullshit. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      LOL Sounds like you are drinking the koolaid big time. Let me guess, you are a dev? I hate to break it to you, automation frameworks don't actually

      That's as far as I got. I skimmed the rest.

      I have been in the IT Industry for more than 22 years and was a dev and system builder on the side prior. Been doing DevOps in the enterprise for a few years now also. I have worked in some pretty big shops. In some cases I came in and supported stuff others built. In others I am the one that built it

      You're completely out of your SME friend. God Speed.

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  4. And this is why he doesn't deserve to lead shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lack of personal responsibility.

  5. the tree must be watered by retchdog · · Score: 2

    To quote Thomas Jefferson, "The Tree of Bare Fucking Minimum Standards of Responsibility and Decorum must be refreshed from time to time with blood."

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    1. Re:the tree must be watered by war4peace · · Score: 1

      "paraphrase", not "quote".
      But good one nevertheless.

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    2. Re:the tree must be watered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No - that's a direct quote. Much like Abe Lincoln's famous quote: "Don't believe everything your read on the Internet."

  6. Human Error??? by Moblaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who has worked with sensitive processes (esp computer security processes) knows that relying on one person for a mission-critical function is not a "human error" - it's a process failure. If this person's communication job was that essential, they should have had a team-based process in place with multiple individuals charged with making sure the process got executed, backed up by computerized records and nag alerts if not done. Seems like this "human error" would have happened if the person had gone on vacation, gotten fired, or went off their meds. That's not a human error. That's execs failing to make sure they build a resilient security process. Quarter billion in expenditure won't buy common sense, it seems.

    1. Re: Human Error??? by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      EXACTLY!

      Never have a single point of failure in any system. And test the system for vulnerabilities.

      People can and do make mistakes.

    2. Re:Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lost me at "mission critical". Dude... nothing is mission critical

    3. Re: Human Error??? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a thing called independent verification that might have helped. Guess its that one guys fault that they didn't practice that.

    4. Re:Human Error??? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      "The human error was that the individual who's responsible for communicating in the organization to apply the patch, did not,"

      What carefully parsed weasel words.

      So the patch had passed testing, but wasn't applied? The only alternative is that someone has to instruct them specifically to start testing every patch in their ecosystem.

      Shouldn't someone be seeing a report of all unapplied patches and how old they are? Yell at the testing group if they age too much?

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    5. Re: Human Error??? by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Sounds like it was never tested. The guy reading the Apache blog never spoke with the CTO.

    6. Re:Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hunt the fucking Wumpus

    7. Re:Human Error??? by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Anyone who has worked with sensitive processes (esp computer security processes) knows that relying on one person for a mission-critical function is not a "human error" - it's a process failure."

      Absolutely. Human redundancy is just as important as network/system redundancy. If the organization isn't set up to continue working even if someone gets hit by a bus, that's a management failure. It's not a single individual. Who was responsible for checking that the work was done as required?

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    8. Re:Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Even Mormons are deployed with full redundancy.

    9. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They were arguing with the independent verifier, remember? Had a fight because the third party said there were important to patches that hadn't been deployed.

    10. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And in the same breath he bragged about having 225 people on the cyber security team. How can they have 225 people yet deploying patches is one person's responsibility and none of the other 224 people have any responsibility to oversee or verify the work?

    11. Re:Human Error??? by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      Exactly... You should have defense in depth, not only to counter someone who fails to apply a patch but also to try and mitigate against attacks against vulnerabilities for which there is no patch.

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    12. Re:Human Error??? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Spot on. If your system relies on a single point of failure for critical functions you have a serious problem; "Human Error" is a convent excuse to avoid finding and firing the real problem.

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    13. Re: Human Error??? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Replying to undo bad moderation cast by mistake

    14. Re:Human Error??? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I agree with your point but studies have shown that when people know others will check their work they are less careful.

      The basic problem was and is- humans are not perfect machines.

      Humans make mistakes.

      This can be influenced by training, experience, lack of sleep, domestic problems, illness.

      Companies need to take measures appropriate to their risk.

      Anyway, I agree with your point that it's a process failure. But you can add all the process you want- if humans are involved there will be a unavoidable rate of problems. You can reduce that rate but not to zero.

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    15. Re: Human Error??? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      the largest data breach in history

      And then two stories down there's:

      Yahoo Triples Estimate of Breached Accounts To 3 Billion

      So now 140M > 3B? In fact there are a number of breaches larger than the Equifax one.

    16. Re: Human Error??? by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they are referring to the value of the information obtained.

      Yahoo's database isn't quite the same as Equifax's. One contains grandma's recipe's, the other contains information to steal somebody's identity.

      Also, how many people have more than one Yahoo account? How many of those accounts are disposable, vs how many are tied to important ecosystems (such as iTunes or Microsoft MSA accounts, or even Steam accounts)?

    17. Re: Human Error??? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The sentence is a mess, I don't know how to read it.

      You don't need to read a blog to know the current stable version# of Apache. Know that patching is a recurring issue with all software.

      It sounds like they're trying to 'baffle with bullshit' IMHO. Throw someone under the bus then pull him back at the last second, act like heros.

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    18. Re:Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Anyone who has worked with sensitive processes (esp computer security processes) knows that relying on one person for a mission-critical function is not a "human error" - it's a process failure."

      Absolutely. Human redundancy is just as important as network/system redundancy. If the organization isn't set up to continue working even if someone gets hit by a bus, that's a management failure. It's not a single individual. Who was responsible for checking that the work was done as required?

      Yeah, I suspect that I could do better with a couple of carefully selected undergrad interns. And I don't consider myself an expert.

    19. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, blow your brains out.
      Nothing is mission critical after all.

    20. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself.

    21. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure those seals will be OK?

    22. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replying to say "Flibble".

    23. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No thanks. But if you'd like to help out...

    24. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so he failed to hire and manage competent employees. Got it.

    25. Re: Human Error??? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      grandma's recipe's

      It appears that a recipe belongs to grandma. What belongs to the recipe?

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    26. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bang on. Who would if thought, that Jimmy the system admin can't work 24/7... despite it looking like he can to management.

    27. Re:Human Error??? by Peil · · Score: 1

      Spot on. If your system relies on a single point of failure for critical functions you have a serious problem; "Human Error" is a convent excuse to avoid finding and firing the real problem.

      Nun of that would be a problem if they'd taken guidance from a Higher power

    28. Re:Human Error??? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Nun of that would be a problem if they'd taken guidance from a Higher power

      Are you implying it was an "inhuman problem"?

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    29. Re: Human Error??? by orlanz · · Score: 1

      recipe's, the

      The beard under the period and the shift key for cap "T". God, keep up man!

      But on a more serious note, I had to "correct" the iPhone 3 times to type that quote.

    30. Re:Human Error??? by rbgnr111 · · Score: 1

      Anyone who has worked with sensitive processes (esp computer security processes) knows that relying on one person for a mission-critical function is not a "human error" - it's a process failure. If this person's communication job was that essential, they should have had a team-based process in place with multiple individuals charged with making sure the process got executed, backed up by computerized records and nag alerts if not done. Seems like this "human error" would have happened if the person had gone on vacation, gotten fired, or went off their meds. That's not a human error. That's execs failing to make sure they build a resilient security process. Quarter billion in expenditure won't buy common sense, it seems.

      I totally agree, in a company of that size, it's not one person managing this type of thing, it's a team. This is a failure in their security processes, which hopefully now they are reviewing and updating.

    31. Re:Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and whose responsibility is it to make sure those processes are implemented and observed? the CEO.

      You can tout logic all you want but unfortunately it doesn't work in their realm of the world. this is quite literally blame shifting so that he can go somewhere else and take another golden parachute all while enjoying his win-fall when his stocks in equifax vest.

    32. Re:Human Error??? by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, their security re-write consists of:
      "Improve processes to prevent revealing our fuck ups to the media, government and customers."

      They spent $250 mil and had 225 people in 'security theater,' but only ONE GUY actually doing security, as you always need a reliable scapegoat to justify spending more money on looking secure than being secure.

      At least that seems to be what they are saying, as none of the rest of the 'security theater' team is being blamed. He must be the Argentinian that authorized using Admin as the password on the Admin account......

      Uh, after writing that I have a question...as I am not a systems administrator, is it even POSSIBLE for one man to patch systems on a worldwide basis? I was under the assumption a sysadmin would be responsible only for his portion of the network, or am I mistaken and it is possible to patch worldwide by a single person?

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    33. Re: Human Error??? by ausekilis · · Score: 2

      At the retirement party for one of my best managers I asked him one question: "What's your secret to being a great manager?" his answer: "My only job is to enable my people to do theirs."

      Sure, one person may not have applied the patch. But it wasn't that persons fault that a process wasn't followed, that the appropriate funding was available, that assorted checks and balances were in place, and that IV&V didn't happen. That falls on management.

      This is the same scapegoating VW tried to get away with in their "Rogue Engineer" nonsense.

    34. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. And the name of the single person was Richard Smith

    35. Re:Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an acquaintance who worked in an internal investigations unit once told me: our job is to find the lowest guy on the totem pole that we can pin it on. That's the political reality of these things - protect upper management at all costs.

    36. Re:Human Error??? by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      Absolutely.

      Not to mention the comment about them just now getting serious on cybersecurity in the last 3 years...your very company exists on critical/sensitive information handling, security should have been #1 priority from the git go. He's making it sound like they are just a small company trying to do what it can.

      Sounds like a senior dev ops nija (that was probably the IT golden boy) just got thrown under a bus...

    37. Re:Human Error??? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Anyone who has worked with sensitive processes (esp computer security processes) knows that relying on one person for a mission-critical function is not a "human error" - it's a process failure.

      I disagree, he's right. This is down to the failure of one person to do their job properly: his. The CEO ultimately bears all responsibility, and therefore is solely to blame for this type of failure.

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    38. Re:Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that is a great band, Human Error, you all should check them out..

    39. Re:Human Error??? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Equifax suspected they could do better with a music major, but they didn't.

    40. Re:Human Error??? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "Shouldn't someone be seeing a report of all unapplied patches and how old they are? Yell at the testing group if they age too much?"

      That is probably who he is blaming. If this random one of thousands apache group framework isn't included in the scanner doing the testing or wasn't configured when they told it the list of apps a year ago, a list that has never been updated that isn't going to help. Also, if that app was on the list but generates too much noise for false positives, it will go on the exceptions list where PCI and other standards no longer apply because an exception is documented.

      But lets be real here, they added security staff. The only thing that will have done is throw up 200 checks and silos that cause any sort of administration to slow to a crawl... including applying patches.

    41. Re: Human Error??? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      This isn't the current stable version of apache, this is some random one of dozens frameworks built by the apache group. Very different animal. You'd get apache updates just by keeping OS updates current unless they are running windows or something ridiculous like that.

    42. Re: Human Error??? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      At the retirement party for one of my best managers I asked him one question: "What's your secret to being a great manager?" his answer: "My only job is to enable my people to do theirs."

      And I had a manager say "don't be afraid to hire people smarter than you." Seems obvious in retrospect, but I wonder how often that's followed.

    43. Re: Human Error??? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression struts was a component of Apache web server.

      In any case, the struts project surely has a project page with current stable version # on it somewhere. Nobody had to be reading blogs. Easy to spider.

      --
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    44. Re: Human Error??? by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      There's a corollary to that: 'Don't be afraid of the people you've hired who are smarter than you.'

      This, I think, is where many problems begin to set in.

    45. Re: Human Error??? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      And I had a manager say "don't be afraid to hire people smarter than you." Seems obvious in retrospect, but I wonder how often that's followed.

      Smart is a hard to define term, but I have hired people that were certainly more capable than me at certain things, and people that i knew I could learn from. It always made my life easier and our performance better. I've had more than a few employees that I paid more than me as well.

    46. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true!
      Things need to be process dependent and not people dependent, and the fact this executive member is trying to throw a staff member under the bus publicly, indicates that he should have been let go 12 years ago.

    47. Re: Human Error??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can have all the processes you want and the best techs but that does not stop the executive branch from ignoring the professional advice of those techs and forcing the techs to do asinine things.

  7. Horseshoe nail by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    Buggy whips are gone, but the need for horsehoe nails remains.

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    1. Re:Horseshoe nail by MountainLogic · · Score: 2

      Unless you have a buggy.

  8. Ah yes, the blame game by quonset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It was his fault. That's why I sold my company stock when I found out about the breach rather than inform anyone except the other folks in the executive suite."

    1. Re: Ah yes, the blame game by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      +1, /thread

    2. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CEO didn't sell stock, that was Chief Financial Officer John Gamble, Joseph Loughran, president of U.S. information solutions, and Rodolfo Ploder, president of workforce solutions.

    3. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It works for the "president"

    4. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      "i'm getting a killer golden parachute because i'm worth that much. Really guys, they wouldn't give me this much money to retire if I wasn't. Ergo, totes not my fault, and now it's not my problem either"

    5. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How2CEO: Know who your scapegoats are and when to pull your parachute cord.

    6. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I guess it was a winning "Gamble"?

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    7. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by retchdog · · Score: 1

      well, you see, CEOs are paid so much money for the singular and unique value they offer to a company faced with challenges only few have ever surmounted. it is necessary to pay a large salary because the rewards he can bring are so large that there is a lot of competition. and apparently even more money if he fucks it up, because hey he deserves it.

      that last part is sorta weird, but as long as you don't ever think it even remotely applies to you, you'll be fine, pleb.

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    8. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently proper English doesn't apply to you, "pleb".

    9. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by retchdog · · Score: 0

      what the fuck are you talking about?

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      "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
    10. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From:
      "As CEO the buck stops with me, that's why I get paid the big bucks - for taking on all this risk".

      To:
      "It was that guy, it was his fault".

      In one massive data breach.

    11. Re:Ah yes, the blame game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is talking about our corrupt elite CEOs who receive a 90 million dollar golden parachute after they have messed up big time. Instead of jailtime and a fine.

    12. Re: Ah yes, the blame game by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Capitalize your fucking words. When a fucking 5 year old writes better than you, you need to do better.

    13. Re: Ah yes, the blame game by retchdog · · Score: 1

      hahahahaha, no.

      kill yourself.

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      "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
  9. These people are masterpieces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, one guy saying that they can't do anything because the hackers will get them anyway, now they are pinning the blame on someone manually applying fixes.

    Lets be real here. An IT shop that big does not have one single person. They have to have at least 3-4, because of separation of duties. This was likely a fuck-up from management, and IT is being thrown under the bus, which is typical.

    1. Re:These people are masterpieces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you even read the summary properly? They had 225 people just for security but said only one person out of f**king 225 people had responsibility applying the critical patch... ridiculously!

    2. Re:These people are masterpieces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if IT server admins fail to apply the required patches after receiving a bulletin from the network security dept warning them of a vulnerability, then, yeah, they ought to blamed.

    3. Re:These people are masterpieces... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, 225 people, but only one is responsible for actual work? Sounds like the government.

    4. Re:These people are masterpieces... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Sigh. None of those 225 people had responsibility for applying the critical patch. I haven't looked into the Struts issue in detail but it's possible development work would be needed to implement the updated version.

      Even without that, there's a full deploy/test/release cycle required, so you have a full dev/test team, a release team and sysadmin support. That's not the security team.

      The security team will have at least a dozen people doing nothing other than user privilege management. Who can access which systems.

      Others will be providing security guidance to projects and development teams. Others will be providing security governance and assessment of those change activities. There'll be a couple of teams monitoring regular and ad hoc activities on servers, on the network, at the interfaces between Equifax and other entities.

      Then you've got the various security policy, management, research, the teams that do internal investigations, customer engagement and supplier management. There'll also be a group of people monitoring external influences - such as vulnerabilities in technologies used at the company.

      That team will provide information, insight and guidance, but they're still not fucking responsible for patching anything. Let alone something like Struts.

      Maybe you should read more than the summary.

  10. Wow, that's scummy by JohnFen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The human error was that the individual who's responsible for communicating in the organization to apply the patch, did not,"

    What a scummy thing to say, and he doesn't even realize that the statement makes Equifax look even worse.

    With a couple of hundred people on the security team, the idea that it's a single person's responsibility to tell everyone to apply a patch is ludicrous. If it's true, then that's institutional incompetence.

    I've been working in computer security for years, and do you know what I and all of my coworkers do? We keep up on computer security developments, particularly newly discovered vulnerabilities. And we discuss them. And send emails about them.

    Even if the one team (not individual) who is responsible for ensuring that our own systems are patched for some reason fails to do that job, there is exactly zero chance that this would go unnoticed.

    If that's not how it works at Equifax, that's the fault of Equifax, not some single individual.

    1. Re:Wow, that's scummy by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I guess he never takes sick days or vacation...

    2. Re:Wow, that's scummy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And in a true security focused company, someone's job is to find who HASN'T taken vacation as they're probably hiding something.

    3. Re:Wow, that's scummy by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      I'm not so sure how effective that would be. In most of the places that I've worked, nobody takes vacation time unless management forces them to.

    4. Re:Wow, that's scummy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The human error was that the individual who's responsible for communicating in the organization to apply the patch, did not,"

      What a scummy thing to say, and he doesn't even realize that the statement makes Equifax look even worse.

      With a couple of hundred people on the security team, the idea that it's a single person's responsibility to tell everyone to apply a patch is ludicrous.

      Security was not taken seriously, yet where are the consequences? Republicans talk about a key fix for health care is to limit lawsuits. I'm not sure largely removing consequences is a good thing.

      They need a class action against Equifax, by, well everyone affected. I don't give a damn if they empty the bank accounts of every executive and liquidate the company. This level of incompetence by management must have consequences. (The only way it was the little guys ultimate fail was if he was part of a team responsible and they were all being negligent and reporting everything as good. Just having one guy responsible is, as mentioned a straight up management failure.

  11. True, only one person to blame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Richard Smith. He's the head honcho there; the buck stops with him.

  12. huh? by kefalonia · · Score: 5, Informative

    bollocks. Yes, that.

    Any security organization which relies on a single individual's action or inaction to remain in good standing is simply fairytale.
    Every good process which involves a human in the loop, should always ensure that at least one more is present to enforce check-and-balance objectives.
    There is a good reason why all commercial flights have two pilots as a default.

    Let me state this: when you see management pointing one single downstream individual for such an event, there are at least TWO levels of management at fault.

    1. Re:huh? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Any security organization which relies on a single individual's action or inaction to remain in good standing is simply fairytale.

      Fairytales are just that. However there are plenty of truly incompetent organisations.

      A lot of people have called this as an "excuse" or "scapegoating" or "bollocks". I call it evidence of top down severe missmanagement of the company.

  13. Such BS by gordona · · Score: 4, Informative

    The buck stops with the CEO! If the CEO knew about vulnerability that needed patching, he should have been expecting a report regarding the application of the patch. If he didn't get that he should have come down on the admin or system owner for not installing it. Unless of course that wasn't in the security policy in which case it still falls on the back of the CEO. DUE CARE and DUE DILIGENCE! Non existent.

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    1. Re: Such BS by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      A CEO cannot personally manage every aspect of a large organization. It is the CIO's job to receive and review said report. Then to advise the CEO of any items that need his attention.

    2. Re: Such BS by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      CIO or CTO, depending on how the organization is structured.

    3. Re: Such BS by mschuyler · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter. The Captain of the ship is responsible for the safe operation of the ship--even if he's sleeping in his bunk (Exxon Valdez & USS McCain.)

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    4. Re: Such BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      You mean the gal who majored in Music? I wonder who was supposed to implement the patch, probably some Filipino high school student working as a subcontractor to some Indian subcontractor working for the US subcontractor that Equifax chose as the lowest bidder.

    5. Re:Such BS by overlook77 · · Score: 1

      "If the CEO knew about vulnerability that needed patching," That's a ludicrous comment, the CEO of Equifax, or the CEO of any company, is not going to be aware of anything IT is doing for maintenance unless it's brought to his attention. He may not have even known what Apache even was. These aren't necessarily technical people in a CEO role. Now the CIO...that's a different story. I am sure the systems in use at that company probably have some critical patch in some system that needs to be applied every few weeks. The CEO is very high level and focused on the core strategy of the business, not IT. Now, when someone comes to a CEO and lets him know there was a serious data breach and the decision is to not inform people for 3 months while you dump your stock, that's a different story.

    6. Re:Such BS by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      My, aren't you the naive summer child.

      The modern CEO is never to blame and, even if they are, they get their bonus and a golden parachute and cash out their stock options on the way out. If they were particularly bad, they might lose a some or all of their final yearly bonus, but they'll still walk away with more wealth than any of the 99% will earn in their entire lives.

  14. $225 million isn't much by phalse+phace · · Score: 5, Informative

    The company has poured a quarter of a billion dollars into cybersecurity in the last three years and today boasts a 225 person team.

    Spending $225 million over 3 years isn't really that much when you consider the type and amount of personal data Equifax has on us.

    JP Morgan Chase spent $500 million in 2016 alone, Bank of America spent $400 million on cyber security in 2016 although they have an unlimited cyber security budget, Citibank's cyber security budget topped $400 million and Wells Fargo spends roughly $250 million per year.

    1. Re:$225 million isn't much by mentil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All of those you cite are banks with numerous branches, subject to robbery and internal theft. They have security cameras which send their video over the internet, all branches are connected to multiple financial networks including their own, and lots of mundane paperwork is computerized. Securing all of these things counts as 'cybersecurity' and goes beyond what Equifax has to deal with, for the most part. If someone breaches/hacks Equifax, and they can ignore it/cover it up, then it's business as usual, so why spend money on it? It's only once the mandatory disclosure laws went into effect they took cybersecurity seriously.

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    2. Re:$225 million isn't much by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      It doesn't seem like great value for money considering the results it obtained. If they had "put it all on red" they apparently would have had the same level of security and a fair chance of having a $450MM fund to compensate the poor bastards who's information they held hostage.

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    3. Re:$225 million isn't much by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Not to mention comparing three companies that each have over 200,000 employees and $60bn to $90bn turnover to one that has 10,000 employees and less than $4bn turnover.

      Proportionally Equifax appear to be spending substantially more on information security than those banks.

  15. Failure of way more than one person by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Failing to apply the patch would be the failure of that one person to order the patch applied, plus the failure of his superior to notice that an action item hadn't been handled, plus a failure of the security team to notice that a ticket hadn't been completed, plus the failure of the head of the security team to notice his subordinates had uncompleted tickets sitting there. All this stuff should be tracked, and where I work it is and we have daily status meetings where stuff like this gets asked about, and development team managers and product managers have weekly status meetings where lack of progress on tickets and what needs done about it is a standard agenda item.

    Accountability means managers and executives are just as accountable for work getting done or not getting done as low-level employees are expected to be.

    1. Re: Failure of way more than one person by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      The guy that failed was the one reaponsible for creating ticket, from what I understand.

    2. Re: Failure of way more than one person by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      so the person who said "we have a problem" is the one who's getting thrown under the bus?

    3. Re:Failure of way more than one person by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Failing to apply the patch would be the failure of that one person to order the patch applied, plus the failure of his superior to notice that an action item hadn't been handled, plus a failure of the security team to notice that a ticket hadn't been completed, plus the failure of the head of the security team to notice his subordinates had uncompleted tickets sitting there. All this stuff should be tracked, and where I work it is and we have daily status meetings where stuff like this gets asked about, and development team managers and product managers have weekly status meetings where lack of progress on tickets and what needs done about it is a standard agenda item.

      Plus a failure of their regular security auditing process to detect that a machine was running a version of software below the minimum allowed version. All this stuff should be detected programmatically in a company that size. This was not a failure of one person. This was a complete failure of the entire security organization at every level, which usually points to either a complete lack of leadership, inadequate budget to hire sufficient qualified staff, or (more likely) all of the above.

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    4. Re: Failure of way more than one person by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Yup. At least that is how I read it.

    5. Re:Failure of way more than one person by avandesande · · Score: 2

      It's complete garbage excuse. It's not like somebody reads sit on Slashdot and gets an idea to apply a patch. There are bulletins like this https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/b... that you compare with your inventory. When you find something you open a ticket.... there are probably ways automate this. (I am not a cyber guy)

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    6. Re:Failure of way more than one person by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      By this time it's very obvious it's nothing to do with a security team.

      This is just smoke from the CEO trying to protect his ass.

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    7. Re:Failure of way more than one person by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      This is just smoke from the former CEO, trying to avoid prosecution.

      FTFY.

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    8. Re: Failure of way more than one person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The weasel words are really saying
      IT tested and said we need this patch. Per change control process we need approval to roll it out in production. Here are the risks we can't test for. Please approve.

    9. Re: Failure of way more than one person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should read the source and not rely on the fake news media:

      On March 9, Equifax disseminated the U.S. CERT notification internally by email requesting that applicable personnel responsible for an Apache Struts installation upgrade their software. Consistent with Equifax’s patching policy, the Equifax security department required that patching occur within a 48 hour time period. We now know that the vulnerable version of Apache Struts within Equifax was not identified or patched in response to the internal March 9 notification to information technology personnel.

      The guy in the IT department, likely in a supervisory position or even department head of a server administration group who was responsible for scheduling the change control job for applying patches during server maintenance windows, didn't do it.

    10. Re: Failure of way more than one person by Monster_user · · Score: 2

      I think the comment you were replying to, the one which said "weasel words", is expressing frustration that the technology in our jobs is becoming increasingly over utilized, requiring unrealistic levels of up time for the lowest level of funding. Meaning no downtime.

      To put it in laymens terms, the servers are suffering from an alternative to "burn-out", where patches are not applied, infrastructure isn't replaced, and/or eventually internal support has to be provided for products which are no longer viable for vendors or consultants to commercially support.

      There are only so many corners to cut, and some can only be cut for so long, even in the name of profit. And those making the decisions don't have the acumen to understand the yin/yang of it.

    11. Re:Failure of way more than one person by sootman · · Score: 1

      > Plus a failure of their regular security auditing process to detect that a machine
      > was running a version of software below the minimum allowed version.

      A thousand times this. How is there not a dashboard that the whole team can see with a big red box around that hostname?

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  16. Struts being an application framework... by hattig · · Score: 5, Informative

    Struts is an application framework, which means it is an application dependency. That means that every Struts-using application within Equifax would have needed to be upgraded, to be tested at least on the new version. That is the job of more than one person!

    It is possible that Equifax's application servers (Tomcat, JBoss, etc) were configured with Struts being provided at the container level, but even that would be a full upgrade of multiple application servers within the company - a platforms team responsibility. However I suspect Struts would have been incorporated into the application itself at build time (as a dependency library).

    I do not know how many applications Equifax's systems are made up of, but certainly the company I work for has dozens or hundreds to build up a trading platform (or two or three!). I imagine it is similar at Equifax.

    I also cannot imagine a security team of 225 people having just one person be responsible to notifying and reminding of critical library vulnerabilities and updates for the entire business.

    This smells of "VW Single Rogue Engineer" to me. Clearly bullshit.

    1. Re:Struts being an application framework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >a platforms team responsibility.

      How many supervisors for that platform team are responsible for scheduling a change control during the company's server maintenance window? How many of those are checking each other to make sure they're doing their job right? How many people at the job you work at are purely redundant and ready to step in to take over your tasks should you fail to complete them? I can't think a single shop in a non-tech oriented company, large or small, that isn't understaffed and looked upon by the company execs as huge black hole of expense.

    2. Re:Struts being an application framework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely correct. Just want to add: I'm sure they're using ansible, puppet, chef, some kind of config. mgt. app so maybe 1 person neglected to config the tool correctly, or maybe the tool's module missed a server's IP, or maybe the 1 person missed it and nobody checked because they assumed the system config mgt. sw. automagically did its job. Laziness, inattention to detail, texting, something typical of human error caused the neglect. Obviously systemic; can never blame 1 person, because someone higher was supposed to check, on up to the CEO.

    3. Re:Struts being an application framework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nailed it. Most of the industry hasn't figured out that this can't be patched like a bug in Windows. I doubt there are many corporate's who are capable of getting a similar rebuild of all of their web apps through the politics, testing, UAT, staging and into production in 48 hours.

      This guy is either a liar, or hasn't been listening to the right people in his organisation.

    4. Re:Struts being an application framework... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they're using ansible, puppet, chef, some kind of config. mgt. app

      I love your optimism.

    5. Re:Struts being an application framework... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure they're using ansible, puppet, chef, some kind of config. mgt. app

      I love your optimism.

      Thank you, but you misunderstood me (as people frequently do).

      Automation, management tools, etc., seem to engender human complacency. Too much trust in "wizards", not enough careful inspection by motivated attentive humans.

      It's pretty well established that someone at Equifax was/is lazy, sloppy, inattentive. Whether you blame the IT grunt, or any/everyone up the chain of command, several people should have manually looked at config files, software / module / library versions, etc. I'm guessing nobody did.

      [I sheepishly admit I trust "yum -v update"... but I ain't running no java on my servers...]

  17. Derp by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 1

    Forgot to turn on auto-update for the Flash player? PLAY AND YOU PAY!

  18. Gotta be someone by DesertNomad · · Score: 1

    who was too busy posting on /.

    1. Re:Gotta be someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or cleansing out the IT closet.

    2. Re: Gotta be someone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must have ran out of power bars/cliff bars and had no more energy to apply the patch.

  19. "The buck stops somewhere else" by david.emery · · Score: 2

    Sign on the desk of CxO's everywhere

    (contrast this with the US Navy, where the captain of the Fitzgerald was relieved, even though he was not on deck when the collision occurred and in fact was almost killed by the accident. Subsequently, the Navy relieved several higher ranking officers, including Flag officers, for supervisory failures.)

  20. So what you're saying is by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your entire operation is one under paid and overworked sys admin away from disaster? Did I get that right?

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    1. Re:So what you're saying is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. He said they've had tons and tons of disasters, but only decided 3 years ago that perhaps they should start checking to see when they occur.

    2. Re:So what you're saying is by houghi · · Score: 1

      It's an arts student, so obviously overpaid yet relaxed due to the change in the law about possession of herbal substances.

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    3. Re:So what you're saying is by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1

      Having been that underpaid and overworked sysadmin/single point of failure for more than one organization in my career, I can attest to that being a believable scenario.

    4. Re:So what you're saying is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's actually my job description. Except for underpaid.

  21. Corporate misdirection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Failing to "deploy a patch" is an error of omission. It's wrong, but no where near "selling off stock before it the price tanks" based on that error. Blaming some peon down in the boiler room while the lazy CEO scumbag maneuvers himself into optimal escape route, is just more proof that these people should face serious charges.

  22. What about the CSO? by surfdaddy · · Score: 1

    Somebody in Management decided to hire a totally incompetent and unqualified CSO. Nice omission there Mr. BS CEO.

    1. Re:What about the CSO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pointing that out would be misogyny.

      You don't want to be labeled a sexist, do you?

  23. Yep, one single bad it guy.... by burtosis · · Score: 2

    Reminds me of the time 'a couple of rogue engineers for the whole VW emissions fiasco. I think handsome bonuses are in the works due to management for uncovering this subterfuge.

    1. Re:Yep, one single bad it guy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It reminds me when the city of San Francisco entire network operation was locked out by a single disgruntled network admin who they fired before getting from him the passwords and router configs. Who would have thought a city as big as San Fran would be held hostage to a single rogue employee? And yet, it happened.

  24. Themselves? So close and yet so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a 'c' level exec almost took personal responsibility.

  25. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So 12 years ago, 2005, Equifax had no redundancy for patching software? Equifax, one of only a handful of companies responsible for massive amounts of private consumer data, following years of headlines of corporate hacks and leaks, while Microsoft themselves were facing declines specifically because of viruses, had one guy. A company which has server farms and millions of transactions daily, connected to every major multinational bank and government had one guy. By his own admission one guy on a 220 man security team, what did the others do exactly? What if that one guy decided to do the hack himself? Did he not have a supervisor? Is everyone at the company illiterate? It is obviously a lie. The arrogance of trying to make that claim in public deserves prosecution on its own.

  26. "Integrity"? by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    The Ex-CEO, talking about the guys who cashed in their stock, said (from TFA):

    I’ve know these individual for up to 12 years. They’re men of integrity.

    First, his comments about the "one individual" demonstrates that he himself isn't a man of integrity, so his vouching for them means nothing.

    Second, "men of integrity"? Hahahahahahaha!

  27. C-level whiny bullshit by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    It is the CIO's responsibility to see that systems are put in place to insure that the responsibility does not rest on one person, and that the company's systems cannot fail without multiple extreme and uncontrollable events occurring. They create the organization that will see that things happen properly even if individuals drop the ball. The technical buck stops at the CIO.

    The CEO is responsible for hiring a CIO that do their fucking job properly. Moreover, if .25B has been spent and one person can fail with these sort of results, the shareholders need to sue them for failure to discharge their duties, and possible fraud.

    Nobody owns a fuck up of this scale but the CEO and CIO. These assholes need to be sent to an extra-rapey prison.

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  28. A small man must die by Hasaf · · Score: 1

    When I was in grad school one of my professors talked about his. Many weak leaders, when faced by a crisis, will respond with a form of "A small man must die," instead of taking responsibility for the weakness in leadership and design that allowed the crisis to evolve in the first place.

    1. Re:A small man must die by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is true. One of the signs of someone who lacks integrity is that they finger-point when the shit hits the fan.

      In this particular case, though, I think it's worse than just finger-pointing. I think he's straight-up lying.

  29. Hope the scapegoat got paid off too! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

    Expecting the CEO to know _anything_ about what goes on in the IT department is expecting too much. Executives have no clue what's going on outside of the boardroom, and the only time they ever get any sort of information is from management consultants or the odd 'red alert' that bubbles up to the CFO/CIO/COO/CSO. There is absolutely zero chance that the CEO of Equifax has any idea what patch level of Apache Struts is running on their Internet-facing services.

    I wonder if he just went to the CIO and said, "give me a name, anyone remotely responsible for patching, so I can say I fired someone over this." I've never had it happen to me, but I have worked with people who were scapegoats in a major incident. Sucks when you're the one holding the bag...

    1. Re:Hope the scapegoat got paid off too! by surfdaddy · · Score: 1

      Not when your entire business is IT.

  30. what a bs. by kiviQr · · Score: 2

    blame one person for no security. Company with that data should assume their webserver will get hacked and act accordingly by implementing multiple layers of security. Web server should have been in DMZ with limited view to data (and no access to sensitive data). That is 101 security. $225m/3y where did that go? To an audit that showed nothing?

    1. Re:what a bs. by mentil · · Score: 1

      They DID have multiple layers of security. The highest one was 'sell the stock before disclosing the breach."
      Oh wait you meant data security. Nevermind.

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    2. Re:what a bs. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Who the fuck even deploys struts on a web server.

      implementing multiple layers of security

      Do you have even the slightest bit of evidence that they didn't?

    3. Re: what a bs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you've already answered your own questions.

  31. Miserable little fuck by satan666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a miserable, no good, lying, sniveling, double crossing, douchebag, fuckface, fucktard, dickwad lying little bitch.
    From his resignation letter:
    "I'm outta here suckers! Let me throw a few of you worms under the bus on my way out. Not my fault. Fuck you and goodnight."
    Love, dickwad in charge, Ret.
    P.S. Bitch better have my moneyyyy!

    1. Re:Miserable little fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I would have said what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit he is...

    2. Re:Miserable little fuck by satan666 · · Score: 1

      four-flushing .. Ok, for some reason, that one had me laughing like a lunatic. Thank you !!!!

  32. Makes me wanna shout "GWAAH!" by ToTheStars · · Score: 1

    "God, What An Ass-Hole!"

  33. One person??? by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Who is then the person who checks that person's work? And the person who is in charge of creating procedures and checks to detect quickly if one person didn't do the job? Or the various people in charge to check on password security? Those who monitor data streams and stop any data dump to a destination not on the approved list? That was a collective failure. Plenty of people just didn't give a damn.

  34. Ahhh .... by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

    And the scapegoat is named.

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    1. Re:Ahhh .... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      exactly my thought too.

  35. The dots are aligning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It must have been Stephen Pax.

  36. Remember Enron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the "smartest guys" at Enron tried to do was blamed the guy who blew brains out as being solely responsible for the ensuing scandal that came about.

    Source: "The Smartest Guys in the Room: The Amazing Rise and Scandalous Fall of Enron".

    1. Re: Remember Enron... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please mod down, more Creimer affiliate spam. Thanks mods.

  37. No checks and balances at Equifax? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    How could a single person be responsible for this, with nobody assigned to verify? No redundancy or assistance whatsoever? For something so important?

    They need to find out who is responsible for setting things up so stupidly.

  38. One Person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is never one person. Wait till the lawsuits start. Depositions will tell a different story.

    What a really small man to have said that.

  39. Re:And this is why he doesn't deserve to lead shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From his preliminary statement before the House Energy and Commerce Committee:

    Let me say clearly: As CEO I was ultimately responsible for what happened on my watch. Equifax was entrusted with Americans’ private data and we let them down. To each and every person affected by this breach, I am deeply sorry that this occurred.

    The claim that the CEO threw a single employee under the bus is patently false and is fake news if anyone bothers to read his testimony. Smith laid out a timeline where several failures by the company was explained. The failure of one person of applying the available patch and reporting it is entirely possible. It doesn't take a whole department of server admins to apply a patch across a server farm. Usually its just 1 senior server admin to supervise his junior admins to do it. And all it takes is for one guy to fat finger an error to a backbone router config and the whole enterprise is down.

  40. It only makes him look worse on /. by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    IT people are not well liked. Maybe it's because lots of us are nerds. Maybe it's because the only time people interact with us is when something is broken. But either way, we're a perfect scapegoat in any company. Always have been too.

    Regular people don't like us. They never have. When computers made it so they had to depend on us that didn't make them like us. It lead to resentment and deepened their hate.

    Mark my words, this'll work like a charm.

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    1. Re:It only makes him look worse on /. by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      Well, in fairness, the IT crowd encouraged this. For years, a large portion of IT people treated everyone else like ignorant idiots. That problem isn't as bad as it used to be (in IT support services, anyway), but it still exists.

      Resentment against that is perfectly understandable, and lasts a very long time.

  41. Automatic patching? by guruevi · · Score: 1

    In my security enclave, I automatically run patches on test systems as soon as they are released, I don't even have to do anything and monitors would let me know as soon as a critical event occurs.

    And then all I have to do is move the patches from the testing channel to production and they get deployed, but even that is something that could be scripted or automated if the testing doesn't fail.

    I literally spend less than 1% of my time on patching systems anymore and I manage almost 200 of them by myself.

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  42. He's Saying It Was Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " "The human error was that the individual who's responsible for communicating in the organization to apply the patch, did not," Smith, who did not name this individual, told the committee."

    So basically he's saying it was Anonymous that did it.

    What a weak dick

  43. Entire Team/Policy FAILURE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    This wasn't a single person failure. If it was, that means the policy that setup that single person to be able to fail a mission critical issue is at fault. Also at fault is the actual PROTECTION OF DATA! How in 2016 and 2017 does ANY COMPANY have UNENCRYPTED PERSONAL INFORMATION on ANY COMPUTER/DATABASE which is attached to the INTERNET?!??! And this is in a company that is touting that it has spent billions on cybersecurity. Sure you may have spent the money on cybersecurity, but you certainly didn't take their advise and spend the money to change your processes which relied on using unencrypted data!!!!

    1. Re:Entire Team/Policy FAILURE by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. This was probably one person, completely overworked with no help and no verification of his work by others. That is a process and leadership failure.

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  44. It's even worse by PatientZero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any number of reasonable things could have caused the patch to be missed, but you'd expect $250M spent over three years to provide a few more security processes beyond, "Fred forgot to apply the patch." The attackers were spreading through their systems over several months without detection.

    Also, way to lead from behind. Every corporate officer I've met has shared one tenet with all others: they are responsible for everything that their team does, good and bad. If some employee several rungs down the corporate ladder fails, it's because the leadership above them failed to hire or train them correctly or put in the right processes.

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  45. Yeah no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah. One guy. If it came down to one guy, fire the CEO and the CTO and the CSO. Three people to blame that it came down to one guy.

  46. Engineers Should Pay Attention to This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you work in engineering, you need to see the writing on the wall. No longer are you going to be indemnified for mistakes you make at work, even if you are forced to make them by bad management policy or lack of basic resources. No longer will the penalty for grievous error be a simple firing.

    Face the music. If you make a mistake that causes what ends up being a tortious harm, you are going to jail.

    1. Re: Engineers Should Pay Attention to This by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Ok. So the choices are jail time if you don't patch it, or getting fired for scheduling a maintenance window. With the getting fired resulting in a black mark and a risk of one's career,...

      So when do maintenance windows become a part of C-Level management strategy? When do they start approving downtime and maintenance?

    2. Re:Engineers Should Pay Attention to This by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      This is why, if you work at a place that doesn't engage in even the most basic of engineering best practices, you should quit that job and find one that isn't actively terrible.

  47. blackout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, the main Equifax office has gone completely dark. The CEO explained that while they have a large team team for building maintenance, the person responsible for telling them that the lightbulbs need to be replaced didn't do their job.

  48. Re: And this is why he doesn't deserve to lead shi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, the fall on your sword analogy is synonymous with every CEO when there really isn't a sword. If the CEO were to ultimately face prison or name names...they would of course name someone else. This whole "my responsibility" crap really irks me when there really isn't a punishment. Let's see if they sing the same tune if they owed every person involved in the breach $2...show me a CEO that would step to that plate.

  49. Apache? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hee hee forgot to patch apache! It's just a patchy server!

  50. One individual at the top by Walter+White · · Score: 1

    Who tolerated an environment where there was no concern for the security of the data they collected on all of us.

    That's the one person who is responsible. Not the scapegoat he is pointing at.

  51. Re: And this is why he doesn't deserve to lead shi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're upset that, contrary to the news reports and comments here on Slashdot, the CEO explicitly did take responsibility in front of a Congressional committee hearing? Huh.

    >This whole "my responsibility" crap really irks me when there really isn't a punishment.

    Why would he get punished beyond getting fired for how dismally Equifax handled the aftermath of the breach? He wasn't with the hackers who broke into the system and thus committed the crime.

  52. Like any CEO by stabiesoft · · Score: 2

    Any good stuff that happens I did, give me a big bonus. Any bad stuff that happens, blame. The old saying *hit rolls downhill has never been truer.

  53. ...one person didn't do their job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, the CEO.

  54. This is called "violating the 4-eyes principle" by gweihir · · Score: 1

    And that is a leadership failure. If you do this right, for each critical role, there is one person that does the change, one that verifies it has been done and and at least one that can take either role if one of the others is sick or on vacation.

    Anyways, in the end it is _always_ the CEO that is responsible. This person is a coward and unfit for a leadership position, i.e. typical large-company CEO material in this sad world we live in.

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  55. Fix the blame not the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I deal with root cause analysis frequently and do not believe human error is a root cause. It can be a contributing factor, but something left the system vulnerable to a mistake. When I hear someone say human error I see an attempt to fix the blame and not the problem.

  56. missing chain of command? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I don't patch a server, in less than 30 days the following people know:
    * about 20 coworkers
    * my branch head
    * his branch head
    * the commanding officer
    * information assurance branch head
    * IA deputies

  57. Re: And this is why he doesn't deserve to lead sh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He wasn't fired. He retired with his multi-million dollar golden parachute.

  58. Re: And this is why he doesn't deserve to lead shi by Cederic · · Score: 1

    So you're upset that, contrary to the news reports and comments here on Slashdot, the CEO explicitly did take responsibility in front of a Congressional committee hearing?

    Hi, where do I sign up to sitting in front of a Congressional committee and embarrassing myself for $90m?

    That's the sort of responsibility I can handle.

  59. "Encryption" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are obviously still living in 1992, when encryption was considered a Magic Bullet.

    Here is the protip: it is NOT.

    If a corporation wants to work with data, it must sooner or later be in PLAINTEXT. Maybe you can encrypt at the database level, but as soon as it is in a server and doing useful stuff, it must be decrypted. So the key for decryption is in the server. But what if the server itself is compromised due to a cyber weakness ? Then the attacker can either read the key or use procedures/methods on the server to obtain plaintext data.

    To conclude: Encryption is an important security tool, but it is not a defence against cybernetic weaknesses of business systems.

    1. Re:"Encryption" by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      You are obviously still living in 1992, when encryption was considered a Magic Bullet.

      I believe in 1992, encryption was considered literal bullets, weapons-grade munitions not fit for export.

  60. Becauze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 2014 the first computer was hacked. It was the Fourteen-Worm, do you remember ?

  61. Really ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it takes you 90 days to patch, the attacker has at least 80 days to mess with your systems.

    This is 2017 and the intertubes are full of international criminals who actively monitor the CVE database and who actively diff versions of popular software in order to find exploits.

    Plus there are thousands of criminal software engineers actively searching for bugs in popular software.

    If you cannot keep up with this reality, quit the IT sphere !

    1. Re:Really ? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "If you cannot keep up with this reality, quit the IT sphere !"

      Easy to say. Hell, those patches will often be over 90 days old when rolled out by OS vendor and they only have that one job.

  62. Bulls Excrement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The CEO is looking for a Fall Guy, and he has one it his crosshairs.

    Never mind the Chief Security Officer did not have a Computer Science degree.

    Never mind the 224 other "security" people did not realize the missing patch.

    Never mind that (probably) 80% of systems at Equifax are weeks behind the necessary patch levels. Never mind it just blew up with the Apache Struts issue. Now please check their Oracle databases, their MQSeries, their Solaris servers etc etc.

  63. Struts 2, OGNL: insecure by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody using struts should immediately be shoot in the head. The remote arbitrary code execution occurrence rate is far too high. Insecure by design (OGNL and other shits, I am looking at you!)

    1. Re:Struts 2, OGNL: insecure by design by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      From a security point of view, this is 100% accurate. Also, nobody should be using Spring for security-sensitive applications for similar reasons.

  64. Along With by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Richard Cheney and George W.Bush. And Richard Fuld.

    But you know what ? Nothing of the like will happen. A corrupt elite protects each other.

  65. one guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SO a company as big a Equfax relies on ONE GUY to do patching. Even if one guy does it, there should have been corporate security processes to catch that the one guy didnt do his job. A few terms Equifax should look up.

    Configuration management?
    Auditing
    Automation.

  66. "Appear" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is the operative word. Maybe the CEO is BSing everybody and they simply declared 80% of their IT budget as "security".

    We have seen so much lying and deceiving at the elite level that this is entirely possible.

    And finally: Just because you spend money does not mean it is spent effectively. The money spent for the "music degree" CSO was PROVEN wasted. Probably several millions a year just that CSO.

  67. This just in: Equifax determines their scapegoat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, this is just scapegoating.

  68. And also... by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    If the security of all that data relies on one patch being applied, then that is yet another colossal failure by Equifax. For something with this sort of impact, there should be multiple layers of safeguards not just patching a web server. There were a long line of failures here, not just a missing patch.

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  69. Some person as in Argentina by houghi · · Score: 1

    In Argentina they used Admin/Admin as user/password. Must be the same person.

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  70. The Usual by gx5000 · · Score: 1

    Yeah I call BS, not as if we've never seen this kind of scapegoating but it's still annoying....

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    1. Re:The Usual by cj9er · · Score: 1

      +1 BS indeed. 225 people, seriously? They probably have EIEIO certificates out the wazoo but no real-world experience. Change control, what's that?

    2. Re:The Usual by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      That one person will probably say - it was change control that stopped me. He wanted to make it a cron job to just apply the patches but NOOOOO. They said we need to approve it first. So here we are and their stupid Change Control.

  71. This goes ALL the way up the ladder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The human error was that the individual who's responsible for communicating in the organization to apply the patch, did not," Smith, who did not name this individual, told the committee."

    So, he is blaming the CIO? After all, it is the CIO's job to maintain their security stance.

    Then again, it is the CEO's job to shield the company from lawsuits by making sure the rest of the executive committee do THEIR jobs by providing sufficient funding and GUIDANCE to do them.

    1. Re:This goes ALL the way up the ladder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would bet money that the actual JOB of discovering and applying patches is done by an OUTSOURCED CONTRACT COMPANY EMPLOYEE (and the absolute cheapest one they could find.)

      After all, positions in IT like that are just "loss centers" you know. They do NOTHING to provide profits, increase bonuses, or propel anyone up the corporate ladder.

      (this comes from a recent security conversation I had with a senior Director in my company.)

  72. Processes and procedures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there is a procedure in place that he did not follow then maybe he is responsible however in my experience, management just hope we do things properly in which case there is no process to follow, making management culpable.

  73. One person by phorm · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and I'd bet dollars to donuts that "one person" didn't apply the patch for a reason, something like

    a "I'm patching today"
    b "Oh, hold off we're in the middle of an important deployment"
    a "But this is the scheduled day"
    b "Just hold until next week, this is an expensive product and we can't delay launch"
    a "OK, I'll hold off until Monday at the latest"
    [Monday rolls around]
    a "OK, I'm patching now"
    b "Go ahead, but DON'T apply that Tomcat patch, it breaks stuff in the new application"
    a "It's a critical patch! We'll have a massive vulnerability in our system if we don't address it!"
    b "You can't. You'll break the system. You'll have to wait until the new version of the code is released that works around the issue. Don't worry it's next week"
    a "..."
    [weeks go by, code is still not updated, patch is still not applied, system gets hacked]

  74. True - BUT - it's a team sport !!!! by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    It is true that it comes down to one person to deploy the patch. But somebody somewhere else in the process should be reviewing the list of unpatched servers and asking "Hey - what's up?! how come this list of servers still isn't patched?"

    Hard to believe that the have a flow down org and hope the bottom feeders are doing their jobs....without any oversight.

    No no - somebody higher up isn't doing their job either !!!

  75. See, Struts sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    told ya.

  76. Just another C-level person deflecting blame by LesserWeevil · · Score: 1

    You're the (former) CEO. It's your fault, period. You failed to manage effectively, period. Blame is irrelevant, you have been fired. Man up.

    1. Re:Just another C-level person deflecting blame by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      That's right.

  77. If it's true it went down like this... by budsetr · · Score: 1

    'Hey, we need to apply a critical security patch. Can we take down the servers?' "How much downtime?' 'Just about 30 min' 'No, too long. Can you do it on the weekend?' 'Sure it will take just 30min' 'NO, too long! I might need to look at an email from my car broker.'

  78. Not Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is nigh on impossible to manually update hundreds or thousands of servers which run easily hundreds of often bespoke systems in a company like Equifax.

    Also, it is very hard to track the set of discovered exploits against your inventory of used software packages/libraries.

    Only if you have at least an automated way of listing the unpatched-exploitable systems it is hard to believe that you will get this done manually. Too many other priorities and "deliverables" which will push these efforts back.

    Systems must be easily inventorized and patched, otherwise companies will lose the battle against the cyber crims and spies.

  79. Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are lots of amateurs in systems development - both as developers and as managers. They often think that "delivering functionality" trumps everything, including sound design, formal specification and son on.

    The resulting systems are quite often easy to hack. That is because quick-an-dirty approaches are usually exploitable.

    These people must be driven out of the IT business or the entire IT field will suffer from the fools. If you cant write a proper scanner and a parser, quit !

  80. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A corporation like Equifax better have highly competent IT systems experts or simply go under. Maybe that is what we currently see...

    After all, their core business is about data communications, storage and retrieval. All automated, not manual.

  81. "rouge" BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost certainly highest VW leadership mandated the fraud. So did lots of other auto corporation leaders.

    But they found convenient Fall Guys, very low down the hierarchy tree.

  82. Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what you describe is a bureaucratic clusterfuck of "we cannot possibly be secure due to fat processes" instead of a sharp, effective, not-overworked team of experts.

  83. Just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...write a nice letterof the issue to the CTO, CSO and so on an keep a physical copy of that latter. For the FBI/police/court of law.

  84. Bad math by Manqueman · · Score: 1

    If there was any doubt about Equifax's respect for adequate security instead of good enough: How do you blame the breach on one person when their should be at least one to verify that the patch was done. More than asking whether the job was done, I mean. So one can't blame it on one person but two at the least.

  85. Scapegoating by QuadEddie · · Score: 1

    What this CEO fails to understand is that the companies rise or failure depends on them. The reason they get paid millions is to reap the public success or fall on their sword in failure. This is letting the bullshit run downhill until it kills someone. Hereâ(TM)s what the jackoff should have said: âoeOne of my duties as CEO is to ensure public confidence in the company and I failed by not impementing the type of processes and internal culture that ensures that. For this, I deeply apologize to the American public.â But because he named an IT position, there will now be a witch hunt.

  86. Well !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess he should get the 90M dollar severance package.

  87. Don't we know his name ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doh ! I think we do... He was fired from his position of the CEO, right? What am I missing?

  88. This is what passes for leadership? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely ridiculous. How did this CEO get past the Board?

  89. And your job? by martinfb · · Score: 1

    And what, pray tell, is YOUR job, Mr Smith?
    Did YOU follow up on verifying the task was complete?
    Or, did another staffer down the chain of command lie to you that it was patched?!

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    Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.