I don't know the specific format, but you're saying that I just specify in the file containing the text to be marked up that I want to use the "Nature Publishing Group" or "Cell" citation style, and upon rendering, it finds the citation style file called "Nature Publishing Group" or "Cell"? In that case, where would I get the citation style files?
Making them myself is out of the question, because I would need about a hundred to cover places I would potentially submit papers. Having a standardized, generic citation format would be the best, but currently things aren't very standardized, and although The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences may very well use the same format as Nature Chemical Biology, I have better things to do than figure out which citation format is used for which. I need to be able to just enter the journal name and go from there.
Believe me, I like the idea of separating content from presentation, and you're correct that our requirements are simple, but I think they're so simple, we don't have a compelling reason not to use a WYSIWYG format like MS Word and let the publishers handle the markup for the web. Maybe the open access people will start recommending it, and the author pays model will promote it, because doing it will lower the cost to the author.
Exactly. It's a great idea, totally obscured by self-important silliness. I almost puked reading the wired article, and it's exactly the reason it's hard to defend positions like this to people who aren't familiar with these ideas.
Why film mall cameras, which they have every right to use to protect their private property? I can only guess that they went to the mall for three reasons:
They wanted the crowd reaction.
They couldn't find enough government cameras.
They didn't want to deal with real cops.
They didn't do the cause any favors by going into a mall and acting retarded.
It's clear from this discussion that math and engineering people don't understand how medical publishing works, and vice versa.
Authors of papers for biomedical journals aren't even expected to use proper grammar, a fact which I personally feel is shameful, but it's true. Most authors are, in my experience, technophobes.
LaTeX would be a great thing for people to start using, but since none of the biomedical journals require it, nobody writing for that audience even knows what it is. I don't know much about it(I understand the basics, it's a mark-up language kinda like HTML), but the first question I would have is, "How do citation managers work with LaTeX?" ISI Researchsoft put a lot of work into making and updating a style file for every journal, so if I write in Word, I can just press a button to convert my citation and bibliography format from one journal style to another, say superscript numbers to inline author,date. Does something like this exist for people who write using LaTeX?
I just submitted an article to nature and then to cell, so I am quite familiar with their instructions to authors. They say little about formatting beyond the word limit and recommended section headings. Most of the popular journals have online submission systems, so they do the formatting, not the author. In the end, it saves work, because I got rejected by editorial decision both places. The paper wasn't even sent out for peer-review, so I would have wasted lots of time if I had done a lot of work formatting it each time.
Yes, I know LaTeX is simple and non-time consuming, but no one here uses it, so that option is out. I wish it wasn't. Someone tell the biomedical journals to start requiring it.
He's right, you know. I'm a grad student who has written his first paper and is currently shopping it around to various biomedical journals. I'm on my third submission now. Neither Nature nor Cell nor the next journal I'm submitting to even mention LaTeX anywhere on their websites. I work with several senior scientists, all of whom have been publishing for years. The head of our lab has been publishing for decades. In their mind, the way to submit a paper is to print out two copies of their word document, and send both to the journal with a cover letter. They expect the editors to not only correct typos such as missing letters, but punctuation, grammar, and even fragmented sentences. I had to throw a fit to get them to allow me write in the active voice.
I will bet you $1000 neither has ever heard of LaTeX, and as far as they're concerned, typesetting is something editors do.
CS and engineering are different, and I wish things were different in medicine. Most of the people I know, not just the older people, are outright technophobes. We have 15+ computers in out facility, some for desktop use, and come controlling various instruments. We are connected to the university LAN, have our own workgroup, but nothing is connected to it, and no one uses it. We're still shuttling data from one computer to another with zip disks, for god sakes! I suggested once that we actually set up a server with a raid array in the closet on which we could all have an account, thus making all of our data available from anywhere and preventing data loss.
All I got was blank stares!
Sorry about the rant, but it's just so laughable to think that people publishing in medical journals would be sending in LaTeX!
They're all smart people, and they could all do it, but the journals would have to start outright requiring it before that would ever happen.
More isn't always better.
As you said, 90% alcohol is almost as cheap as 70%. Given that it distills up to 95%, why do you think people don't just use that?
IIRC, microbiologists have done the experiment, and found that 70% ethanol is the most effective. Something to do with better penetration, I think.
OK, where's the content?
"Make sure to subscribe to our RSS feed or mailing list to be notified when we roll out new products and services."
"In the mean time, we are proud to showcase the following community extensions for Firefox which are sponsored by Round Two."
It seems like you were more interested in making fun of the person asking a legitimate question than really answering it. In doing so, you made yourself look like an ass.
I have a cord for my dell axim, which is proprietary on the end where it connects with the axim, and usb on the other end. I have a little box that I can plug into my car cigarette lighter which has a usb port on the other end. I have a similar device for a wall outlet. However, after spending several hours trying to get pictures off my GFs picture phone, which I finally managed, it occurred to me that it would be easier if the storage in these devices simply worked like a keychain flash drive, so you could plug it in anywhere and just drag and drop.
I work in a research lab. However, unlike the idiots who autoclave or spray ethanol on their keyboards, I actually know how to completely sterilize one. It's not unlike the way they handled the anthrax scare. Remember all that plastic sheeting over the buldings? It's actually exactly the way they sterilize a laminar flow biological hood, used in work with potentially infectious materials. You put the keyboard in an airtight container significantly larger than the keyboard. Then, you ignite some formaldehyde in the container. After a while or overnight, you vent the formaldehyde into the fume hood, and run clean air through the container to purge it. Hospitals could even have this set up in conveyor belt fashion. The cost of scrubbing exhaust would go up dramatically, but that's the way to do it. Now that I think of it, perhaps using a radiation source would be more efficient. Of course, proper handwashing would be the easiest way to reach the same results, but that's treating the symptoms, not the underlying cause, right?
Who needs to release press releases anymore? Just get some old technology that, like just about everything prefixed with nano- these days, could be useful but is nowhere near ready for prime-time, and get it posted to/. Few people here know anything about molecular biology, as the "longest chemical name" article made clear, so you'll get millions of hits with virtually zero risk of someone calling you out or asking inconvenient questions.
Some kinds of cancer may be avoidable by living in a bubble, but you can bet your ass that whatever prevents one kind can promote another. Any cell can become a malignant, and in many cancers, there's a strong genetic component. In other words, you picked the wrong parents, and no amount of behavior modification will prevent you from getting it, short of offing yourself before it happens. That said, the sooner you know, the better your chances are of removing the abnormal tissue or starting chemo and prolonging your life significantly.
You shouldn't have searched SwissProt, you should have searched pubmed. I'm replying to a bunch of your posts, in the hope you'll see at least one and correct your wikipedia page entry to include Dystrophin.
AMEN! I immediately thought of titin, at 20k AAs. I think you're right that the slashdot editors are a little weak on their biochemistry. You rarely see articles about drugs or genes on slashdot(they are covered well enough elsewhere) and I've had a quibble or two about the few I have seen. Oh well, I'm glad it was posted because that gives us a chance to educate people.
Where would you send the check to make sure it gets to him?
I mean, just figuring out which page is the artists official page can be difficult.
Is it www.deathcabforcutie.com, www.dcfc.com, www.barsuk.com/web.cgi?dcfc? Fan sites are by no means required to label themselves as such.
Where would you get the correct address?
I've never seen a paypal link even on a page I know to be the artists official page. Why is that?
Exactly what I was thinking, but you beat me to it.
Human intelligence can't be separated from language. Bayesian algorithms can process language and "learn" to make predictions. In that limited sense, it does resemble intelligence, and, in my opinion, that kind of processing will be a part of useful machine learning
Slashdot Mirror
When was the last time? I'm still waiting for the first time! Until it comes out as a big-budget hollywood film, it's not going to happen, my friend.
I don't know the specific format, but you're saying that I just specify in the file containing the text to be marked up that I want to use the "Nature Publishing Group" or "Cell" citation style, and upon rendering, it finds the citation style file called "Nature Publishing Group" or "Cell"? In that case, where would I get the citation style files?
Making them myself is out of the question, because I would need about a hundred to cover places I would potentially submit papers. Having a standardized, generic citation format would be the best, but currently things aren't very standardized, and although The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences may very well use the same format as Nature Chemical Biology, I have better things to do than figure out which citation format is used for which. I need to be able to just enter the journal name and go from there.
Believe me, I like the idea of separating content from presentation, and you're correct that our requirements are simple, but I think they're so simple, we don't have a compelling reason not to use a WYSIWYG format like MS Word and let the publishers handle the markup for the web. Maybe the open access people will start recommending it, and the author pays model will promote it, because doing it will lower the cost to the author.
NASA has a podcast, not that I care personally, but they do.
They wanted the crowd reaction.
They couldn't find enough government cameras.
They didn't want to deal with real cops.
They didn't do the cause any favors by going into a mall and acting retarded.
...that give privacy advocates a bad name. He's not a professor, he's a performance artist.
It's clear from this discussion that math and engineering people don't understand how medical publishing works, and vice versa.
Authors of papers for biomedical journals aren't even expected to use proper grammar, a fact which I personally feel is shameful, but it's true. Most authors are, in my experience, technophobes.
LaTeX would be a great thing for people to start using, but since none of the biomedical journals require it, nobody writing for that audience even knows what it is. I don't know much about it(I understand the basics, it's a mark-up language kinda like HTML), but the first question I would have is, "How do citation managers work with LaTeX?" ISI Researchsoft put a lot of work into making and updating a style file for every journal, so if I write in Word, I can just press a button to convert my citation and bibliography format from one journal style to another, say superscript numbers to inline author,date. Does something like this exist for people who write using LaTeX?
I just submitted an article to nature and then to cell, so I am quite familiar with their instructions to authors. They say little about formatting beyond the word limit and recommended section headings. Most of the popular journals have online submission systems, so they do the formatting, not the author. In the end, it saves work, because I got rejected by editorial decision both places. The paper wasn't even sent out for peer-review, so I would have wasted lots of time if I had done a lot of work formatting it each time.
Yes, I know LaTeX is simple and non-time consuming, but no one here uses it, so that option is out. I wish it wasn't. Someone tell the biomedical journals to start requiring it.
Name one Biochem journal that requires LaTeX format.
He's right, you know. I'm a grad student who has written his first paper and is currently shopping it around to various biomedical journals. I'm on my third submission now. Neither Nature nor Cell nor the next journal I'm submitting to even mention LaTeX anywhere on their websites. I work with several senior scientists, all of whom have been publishing for years. The head of our lab has been publishing for decades. In their mind, the way to submit a paper is to print out two copies of their word document, and send both to the journal with a cover letter. They expect the editors to not only correct typos such as missing letters, but punctuation, grammar, and even fragmented sentences. I had to throw a fit to get them to allow me write in the active voice. I will bet you $1000 neither has ever heard of LaTeX, and as far as they're concerned, typesetting is something editors do. CS and engineering are different, and I wish things were different in medicine. Most of the people I know, not just the older people, are outright technophobes. We have 15+ computers in out facility, some for desktop use, and come controlling various instruments. We are connected to the university LAN, have our own workgroup, but nothing is connected to it, and no one uses it. We're still shuttling data from one computer to another with zip disks, for god sakes! I suggested once that we actually set up a server with a raid array in the closet on which we could all have an account, thus making all of our data available from anywhere and preventing data loss. All I got was blank stares! Sorry about the rant, but it's just so laughable to think that people publishing in medical journals would be sending in LaTeX! They're all smart people, and they could all do it, but the journals would have to start outright requiring it before that would ever happen.
More isn't always better. As you said, 90% alcohol is almost as cheap as 70%. Given that it distills up to 95%, why do you think people don't just use that? IIRC, microbiologists have done the experiment, and found that 70% ethanol is the most effective. Something to do with better penetration, I think.
OK, where's the content? "Make sure to subscribe to our RSS feed or mailing list to be notified when we roll out new products and services." "In the mean time, we are proud to showcase the following community extensions for Firefox which are sponsored by Round Two." It seems like you were more interested in making fun of the person asking a legitimate question than really answering it. In doing so, you made yourself look like an ass.
I have a cord for my dell axim, which is proprietary on the end where it connects with the axim, and usb on the other end. I have a little box that I can plug into my car cigarette lighter which has a usb port on the other end. I have a similar device for a wall outlet. However, after spending several hours trying to get pictures off my GFs picture phone, which I finally managed, it occurred to me that it would be easier if the storage in these devices simply worked like a keychain flash drive, so you could plug it in anywhere and just drag and drop.
I work in a research lab. However, unlike the idiots who autoclave or spray ethanol on their keyboards, I actually know how to completely sterilize one. It's not unlike the way they handled the anthrax scare. Remember all that plastic sheeting over the buldings? It's actually exactly the way they sterilize a laminar flow biological hood, used in work with potentially infectious materials. You put the keyboard in an airtight container significantly larger than the keyboard. Then, you ignite some formaldehyde in the container. After a while or overnight, you vent the formaldehyde into the fume hood, and run clean air through the container to purge it. Hospitals could even have this set up in conveyor belt fashion. The cost of scrubbing exhaust would go up dramatically, but that's the way to do it. Now that I think of it, perhaps using a radiation source would be more efficient. Of course, proper handwashing would be the easiest way to reach the same results, but that's treating the symptoms, not the underlying cause, right?
I don't think there's much that can survive being blasted by steam from a boiling ho.
Who needs to release press releases anymore? Just get some old technology that, like just about everything prefixed with nano- these days, could be useful but is nowhere near ready for prime-time, and get it posted to /.
Few people here know anything about molecular biology, as the "longest chemical name" article made clear, so you'll get millions of hits with virtually zero risk of someone calling you out or asking inconvenient questions.
Some kinds of cancer may be avoidable by living in a bubble, but you can bet your ass that whatever prevents one kind can promote another. Any cell can become a malignant, and in many cancers, there's a strong genetic component. In other words, you picked the wrong parents, and no amount of behavior modification will prevent you from getting it, short of offing yourself before it happens. That said, the sooner you know, the better your chances are of removing the abnormal tissue or starting chemo and prolonging your life significantly.
They're just going to tell you you're wrong. Dystrophin is bigger.
"because listing the sequence of bases is sufficient." Listing the aminoacids is sufficient as well. They even have one letter codes for them.
You shouldn't have searched SwissProt, you should have searched pubmed. I'm replying to a bunch of your posts, in the hope you'll see at least one and correct your wikipedia page entry to include Dystrophin.
No, you still don't have it. Check out Dystrophin, as another posted has mentioned.
AMEN!
I immediately thought of titin, at 20k AAs. I think you're right that the slashdot editors are a little weak on their biochemistry. You rarely see articles about drugs or genes on slashdot(they are covered well enough elsewhere) and I've had a quibble or two about the few I have seen. Oh well, I'm glad it was posted because that gives us a chance to educate people.
Where would you send the check to make sure it gets to him? I mean, just figuring out which page is the artists official page can be difficult. Is it www.deathcabforcutie.com, www.dcfc.com, www.barsuk.com/web.cgi?dcfc? Fan sites are by no means required to label themselves as such. Where would you get the correct address?
I've never seen a paypal link even on a page I know to be the artists official page. Why is that?
Exactly what I was thinking, but you beat me to it. Human intelligence can't be separated from language. Bayesian algorithms can process language and "learn" to make predictions. In that limited sense, it does resemble intelligence, and, in my opinion, that kind of processing will be a part of useful machine learning
I don't usually do this, but....It's "Renaissance".