Bloat, yeah... you mean it has features, and they are available to every KDE application instead of reinventing the wheel every time, making them coherent and integrated. And of course your post is modded "Insightful". No wonder Linux desktop is still where it is, with such bright attitudes.
There are a thousand reasons why Windows is not ready for the desktop of mom, dad and grandma Bootsie. The fact it is already used there, though it is not really ready. Geeks, friends and online forums make it possible for them.
IMHO you're mixing things up. DOOM3 does not have and story. The original DOOM didn't have one, either, and I'm pretty sure it didn't need one. Both games are about shooting things, yeah. However, the original DOOM really had great gameplay? Why? It had far better designed levels than DOOM3, it was addictive, and it was _fun_ to play. DOOM3 has its moments, but for the most part is dull, it has mediocre level design, and it's boring to play.
Third, why are people so interested in searching their own desktops?
I should have been smart enough to organize in the first place
The issue is I don't want to bother. My computer is supposed to be a tool to do repetitive and boring tasks for me. Why do I need to think every time where should a file go? If that requires CPU cycles, heck, I don't care, I've plenty to spare and I'm sure most of the time CPUs are idle anyway. Fast machines are damn cheap these days and they're only wasted if they are not used!
That's right, if only goverments worked always in the best interest of the citizens they supposedly serve. Unfortunately, more often than not, that is not the case.
Since when is competition bad, especially now that Oasis promises document compatibility?
Besides, KOffice is actually lighter and well integrated within KDE.
Moreover, I'm pretty sure is easier to contribute to Koffice than OpenOffice. From what I could gather, OpenOffice code is vast and really complicated. Heck, I hope at least now the code is not commented in German!
I'm surprised no one mentioned (perhaps I've missed it?) Thinking In C++, by Bruce Eckel. It explains every subject in a very clear manner, providing quality examples throughout the two volumes. Not only that, you can download the book for free from http://mindview.net/
I always prefer open source applications, but it's not because of ideology, it's a pure practical question. Ask Linus about that after the Bitkeeper affair.
I think what he's getting at is that software perfection is an unattainable goal
Of course. But that does not mean you should not try to do things right as hard as you can.
So what if the code is ugly? It can be cleaned up later.
Sorry, but as others have already pointed out, that is not done in the real world unless you hit a wall, and it's always better (and cheaper!) to get it right the first time.
What's the point in having a beautifully architectured system that doesn't do the job?
Well, it makes it easy to get features done somewhen later. KDE has limited resources, in order to make featureful software it must get things right, or will be just an impossible task. Look at the problems Gnome is having just because they lack the nice architecture KDE has. You can like Gnome more, of course, but this is something many agree on, even Gnome followers.
Should the Konqueror developers be chastizing Apple for writing bad code? No, it does the job and their code doesn't, so they have no grounds for complaint other than purely philosophical.
Again, they are not complaining about Apple, they have even acknowledged KHTML has improved because of them. They just have stated that things are not so bright between KDE people and Apple as many think.
You may be right. And because of that, it's important that diversity exists, something which right now is still pretty missing from desktop computing landscape. Let's hope Apple and Linux keep gaining users, and users can really choose the system that better serve their needs.
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Bloat, yeah... you mean it has features, and they are available to every KDE application instead of reinventing the wheel every time, making them coherent and integrated. And of course your post is modded "Insightful". No wonder Linux desktop is still where it is, with such bright attitudes.
Why don't you download a liveCD and try it out for yourself? Many of them include KDE 3.4 already.
I agree with that, just got upset by the efficiency part ;)
It's the eternal discussion, but when XFCE offers everything KDE has right now, we will be able to start talking about efficiency.
It's still the same C++-based bloat
Of course. 'Cause everyone can tell it's C++ just by looking at a screenshot :P
KDE is slow? When was the last time you tried it? Do you know it has improved a lot in that regard since KDE 3.1?
Gnome too configurable? You must be talking about Gnome 1.0... not anymore.
There are a thousand reasons why Windows is not ready for the desktop of mom, dad and grandma Bootsie. The fact it is already used there, though it is not really ready. Geeks, friends and online forums make it possible for them.
IMHO you're mixing things up. DOOM3 does not have and story. The original DOOM didn't have one, either, and I'm pretty sure it didn't need one. Both games are about shooting things, yeah. However, the original DOOM really had great gameplay? Why? It had far better designed levels than DOOM3, it was addictive, and it was _fun_ to play. DOOM3 has its moments, but for the most part is dull, it has mediocre level design, and it's boring to play.
Ever heard of dcop? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCOP
Third, why are people so interested in searching their own desktops?
I should have been smart enough to organize in the first place
The issue is I don't want to bother. My computer is supposed to be a tool to do repetitive and boring tasks for me. Why do I need to think every time where should a file go? If that requires CPU cycles, heck, I don't care, I've plenty to spare and I'm sure most of the time CPUs are idle anyway. Fast machines are damn cheap these days and they're only wasted if they are not used!
That's right, if only goverments worked always in the best interest of the citizens they supposedly serve. Unfortunately, more often than not, that is not the case.
Is really Gaim a Gnome application? I can't see it mentioned here:
:-)
http://gaim.sourceforge.net/about.php
Why is that every GTK+ app is always counted as a Gnome app? It's an honest question
Kexi can already work under Windows. http://www.kexi-project.org/about.html Give it time...
Not a rumor ;)
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Since when is competition bad, especially now that Oasis promises document compatibility?
Besides, KOffice is actually lighter and well integrated within KDE.
Moreover, I'm pretty sure is easier to contribute to Koffice than OpenOffice. From what I could gather, OpenOffice code is vast and really complicated. Heck, I hope at least now the code is not commented in German!
Not for now, anyway. The second OS X becomes a serious threat to windows, it's something Microsoft certainly will consider.
Firefox? I would be very surprised if this music service worked in something else than Internet Explorer...
I'm surprised no one mentioned (perhaps I've missed it?) Thinking In C++, by Bruce Eckel. It explains every subject in a very clear manner, providing quality examples throughout the two volumes. Not only that, you can download the book for free from http://mindview.net/
Seems to be in preliminary conceptual stages, but KDE is having ambitious plans for these kind of things in KDE 4 with Tenor http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/581 6/1/
http://dot.kde.org/1113428593/
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2005/04/tenor-for-devel opers.html
I always prefer open source applications, but it's not because of ideology, it's a pure practical question. Ask Linus about that after the Bitkeeper affair.
Agreed. but is exactly the point. KDE developers are supposedly not working under time constrains. In that sense, it's not "compiting".
I think what he's getting at is that software perfection is an unattainable goal
Of course. But that does not mean you should not try to do things right as hard as you can.
So what if the code is ugly? It can be cleaned up later.
Sorry, but as others have already pointed out, that is not done in the real world unless you hit a wall, and it's always better (and cheaper!) to get it right the first time.
What's the point in having a beautifully architectured system that doesn't do the job?
Well, it makes it easy to get features done somewhen later. KDE has limited resources, in order to make featureful software it must get things right, or will be just an impossible task. Look at the problems Gnome is having just because they lack the nice architecture KDE has. You can like Gnome more, of course, but this is something many agree on, even Gnome followers.
Should the Konqueror developers be chastizing Apple for writing bad code? No, it does the job and their code doesn't, so they have no grounds for complaint other than purely philosophical.
Again, they are not complaining about Apple, they have even acknowledged KHTML has improved because of them. They just have stated that things are not so bright between KDE people and Apple as many think.
You may be right. And because of that, it's important that diversity exists, something which right now is still pretty missing from desktop computing landscape. Let's hope Apple and Linux keep gaining users, and users can really choose the system that better serve their needs.
Care to explain that or is it just "because it is" ?