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Preview of KDE 3.5
tr_x_data writes "There is a quite interesting KDE 3.5 preview with screenshots on JLP's Blog. I thought there wouldn't be so much improvement to KDE 3.4 since everyone is working on porting KDE4 to QT4, but obviously there are quite a few changes. Look forward to "Storage Media Notification", "Adblock" for Konqueror, new Tooltips, better Workspace-Pager, and so on. Read for yourself."
I never really liked KDE, it always felt very cluttered and so much like XP. I use fluxbox and couldn't be happier with it. That beening said, congrats on the upcoming release
I know KDE is very customizable out of the box, and I havn't used it all that much myself.
But, by default it looks pretty bubblegum like (a lot like XP, albeit nicer). Maybe Gnome would be better for me?
Can someone go through the changelog and tell us what's actually new since 3.0?
The new KDE looks good. Except for the one pet peeve of mine-->the taskbar is way too huge. It would be much better at half or even a quarter of it's size. The real highlight is storage media reconizing. This is a whyI have loathed KDE-->the lack of such.
Go to the w3.org and put Slashdot.org through the validator.
The storage medium notification is not untuitive the way XP (and now KDE 3.5) does it. Basically, the user puts in a disc and then some time later, gets a notification that interrupts whatever is being performed.
A better way to do it would be to stick a little message notification bubble above the system tray. This would also prevent movies from auto-running.
A big problem with XP is that DVD movies often have crap software that auto-installs on the computers of people who don't know any better. If OSS wants to become a widely used desktop, then it needs to be better than the status quo, rather than a copy. This means that it has to protect users rather than facilitate spyware and junk.
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Kudos to the KDE team, and good luck on 4.0.
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.... the storage media notifies YOU...
To avoid ENORMOUS vendor lockin, maybe?
I think KDE looks promising but I still prefer Gnome (still has it's fair share of bloat). I find KDE has a lot of bloat (KDE 4 should have less to my understanding). K3B is still the most useful burning app but really, who needs an icky looking Mr. Potatoe Head game as an included part of a desktop environment.
I haven't been this excited since the preview for KDE 3.4!!!
I'm a big tall mofo.
Then, we will talk.
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There are too many times I have frozen my machine just by using the search feature and opted to the command line instead (which I'm still not an expert with) Although I do like the sort of tooltips in the kicker.
Although I'm quite enthused for the new feature in home: I like the idea of having a mac-like user folder so easily accesible for things like dropbox functionality.
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It seems that all four major camps (Apple, Microsoft, GNOME, and KDE) keep improving their environments by leaps and bounds. They look better and better, become more and more usable, and slowly pick up features that make them more flexible (remote desktop, for one). It may not all be Real innovation, but it's definitely Real progress.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
I'll probably be modded to hell itself for posting this on a KDE /. article, but:
if you are a Gnome kind of person, try GnomeBaker or Graveman for your cd/dvd burning needs.
A better way to do it would be to stick a little message notification bubble above the system tray. This would also prevent movies from auto-running.
That's a good idea. I don't know that autoinstall is a problem because you have to choose an action before anything happens, according to the synopsis. However, I've always hated autorun because it's intrusive - if I put a disc in, I probably know what I want to do with it, and it's guesses are usually wrong.
A nice little bubble as you suggest would help a lot. Hell, I don't know if they take suggestions as such, but you should give it a try.
...to include KDE 3.4 :-(
Four months after the release and still not in the official repositories. Debian manpower probably collapsed
It looks way better than XP, that's for sure. I'm glad they don't take the "looks bad but you can make your own skin" route. The default look is professional and clean.
Can't comment on the feel. Last time I tried to get KDE running on top of OS X it did nothing (unless crashing is one of its hidden features).
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I'm happy to be locked to Apple because it looks good and it just works. Windows GUI is shite in every way and Linux (KDE/GNOME/whatever) GUIs and widget sets in particular are too heterogeneous to provide a pleasant working environment. Yeah, I know you can tune them to world's end, but I don't want to spend my time trying to build a desktop environment. There is such a thing as too much freedom and choice when it comes to GUIs.
After using Linux and Windows for ages, MacOS X was the first operating system in which the GUI was intuitive, smooth and aesthetically pleasant tightly integrated applications. It's a comforting thought that I can always pop open a CLI, but quite frankly I haven't had to do that so far. This is the first OS in which drag-and-drop works as it is supposed to work.
Don't bother scrolling down to read the comments in the blog, they are just a bunch of racist jokes and rants pasted in from somewhere else.
It might be a good idea for the blog author to turn off commenting for this post.
It appears the KKK has a serious interest in KDE, I have to wonder if they think it stands for Klan Desktop Environment.
Did anyone else notice the blatant racist remarks at the end of the blog? I realize that it was an anonymous post, but I failed (i.e. too lazy to dig further) at trying to reach Jure...tasteless...BAD anonymous poster!
Windows NT was at version 3.51 like what, 11 years ago ?
Now all I want is the ability to close a tab by middle-clicking it, same as I have set up in mozilla. I've searched around in vain for any place I can change the default behavior.
I am no longer wasting my time with slashdot
.. but I still wish they would just bite the bullet and improve the button layout to the way MacOS (and Gnome) does it.
First of all, KDE is still ridden with [Ok][Cancel]-buttons. These are sooo 1992-like and should be replaced with verbs, like they have correctly done with [Add to panel] in one of the screenshots. This should all be changed, and no new dialogs should be accepted until they confirm.
In addition the most common action should be on the far right where it is much more visible and obvious, thus:
[Don't Save][Save] rather than [Save][Don't Save]
The importance of this becomes far more obvious when there are three or more such buttons, and the default one often is "hidden" in between less likely buttons (See the [Configure][Ok][Cancel] in the Autoplay dialog, here Ok is the most common choice).
Politics I guess is the main reason for not doing this, that is pleasing the hard-core crowd who wouldn't notice progress if it bit them in the ass.
My last problem is the underscoring of file names, which looks unprofessional. Making it an option to turn it off is a typical example of geeky "unbreak me" options.
Otherwise, KDE has a very nice "crispness" to it, with nice and clear icons and a nice solid feel to things.
That's funny, that's what they said about windows back in the day.
I wonder what motivated whoever cut-n-pasted the trolling text into the comments section of the site. Jealousy? Do they want to try to stop people from doing constructive things so that they also don't have to? Don't have the balls to strap bombs to your waist, so to be annoying you troll in web forums instead?
I kan't wait to see that release koming
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Seriously... I do.
It was light, fast, stable, and pretty enough. Using wmaker right now because XFCE4 has a few drawbacks. While I might look at KDE 3.5 just to see, i still might cobble together all the 1.0 code and try to run it on my fbsd 5.4/athlon system. It oughta fly balls!
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my motivation.. to see crowdist wankers like you cry when something you adore so much is brought down to smoldering ashes
my goal is to disrupt the crowd and bring you information that, while factual, will also bother you
i am the blog terrorist
Have the KDE people figured out how to make the desktop icons line up properly yet? I'm sorry if this sounds like another "Why can't KDE be like Windoze?" whine, but when I turn on icon auto-arrangement in Windoze, I get nice, neat vertical columns of icons. Do the same in KDE and I get some quasi-random scattering of icons. I have no idea why that is. If I right-click the desktop and select Icons > Sort Icons > By Type, it works fine. But the auto-arrange seems to use some completely different arrangement algorithm that creates multiple columns, some of which aren't even full, and some of which only have one icon. WTF?
And for those of us who like heterogeneity?
http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde- 3.5-features.html#finished
Why?
:)
;) The Mac is quite pretty and quite nice to use, but whenever I use it I always find myself wishing I was back on one of my Linux machines.
1. You are locked into a single vendor
2. Want to upgrade your desktop? That'll cost you. Thanks very much
3. What if someone produces a better desktop GUI? I switch GUI's every few months as improvements are made. Sometimes I just want something small and sweet like Fluxbox, othertimes KDE for some eye candy
4. Not all development work requires a GUI. Even if it does, the logic should be seperate, not built into the GUI itself (Visual Basic anyone?). This allow the choice of GUI to become a seperate issue. You can use web, cli, GUI.... whatever
5. Your window manager won't start? Thats a tradgedy under MS Windows as well as a Mac (OK, not as bad on the Mac). Under Linux I can just choose another window manager until I sort my problem out.
6. Bah... thats enough for now.
I encouraged my Fiance to get an iBook as her latest machine, mainly so there wasn't a MS machine in the house. We still don't have *any* MS machines
You might like the Mac, thats fine by me. Choice is good thing as it helps drive improvement. Competition improves the breed. Myself... I like the flexibility to have my machines the way I want them, not the way some company wants them.
Adblock for Konqueror!?
Don't these people know that they're missing out on free internet content?!
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will it be in time for SUSE 9.4 which will be released in mid October?
Who cares?
I do. If you like MacOS X, want to pay for it, make Jobs even richer and use it, great. I OTOH really like the ability to "tune them to world's end", plus the overall flexibility of Linux.
I would agree that the Linux GUIs (kde, gnome, whatever...) are not perfect - probably not as good as the MacOS X GUI, but they are constantly changing and improving. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't disparage those of us that still value freedom and choice.
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I'm glad they're slowly tidying up the interface. My current pet peeve is the default icon set is really ugly. I know that you can replace it, but when I look at the KDE screenshots I don't get excited at the improvements to the interface or to Konq. I am put off by how ugly it looks with the icon set.
Yeah, heh. Can I turn the damn thing OFF? That's all I care about.
Windows-ize KDE all you want, as long as I can disable the stupid shit.
About your last problem: underscoring
Open Konqueror, Settings, configure konqueror, Appearance, underline filenames
Huh? Ouch?
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What "bloat" are you referring to? Could you give some real examples? As to speed.... I find KDE to be fast enough.
Here's a news-flash for you: you are not required to go through all the settings. But if you want to change something, they are there. But you could use KDE just fine without ever touching the settings at all.
Windowmaker is a windowmanager, not a desktop environment. So you are comparing apples to oranges. It's like comparing Microsoft Edit to a full-blown office-suite. But hey, if Windowmaker has the features you need, whereas KDE does not, then by all means use Windowmaker. KDE-developers are not required to satisfy your whims. Instead of making demands, why not thank them for spending their time to give you this kick-ass piece of software for free?
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It should be interesting to finally see KDE native to windows, as the free QT4 is now supported for windows.
Imagine Windows (or ReactOS), running KDE as the desktop, with applications like Firefox on top. This is Windows?
I'm still waiting for them to make Kmail compile in 3.4.1 - it barfs on the Outlook Express import filter at the moment, of all things. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99643
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106274
Tell you the truth, I've actually moved to Thunderbird + Enigmail now - it rocks.
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Then keep using KDE 2.0!
What you call bloat, I call very useful features. KDE 2.0 just wouldn't cut it for the day-to-day work I do now. Konqueror alone, with all it's features since 3.0, plays an integral part of my everyday work.
For example, I want a file manager that can do sftp, ftp, smb, nfs, etc. I'll agree that those elements make the code bigger and possibly slower, but I make use of them. I know a lot of other people do as well.
I also find that dcop plays a very important role in messaging between apps and KDE. Sure, it's another app that sucks up some RAM, but maybe some people like me use it.
Considering that most elements in KDE are embeddable objects (eg. Kate, Kedit and Kdevelop all use the same editor), I'd say bloat is cut down a lot. Nobody is implementing three different text editors when one will do the job.
I, and every other reasonable person, expects KDE 3.x to be larger and have more features than KDE 2.x. Such is the nature of software. That's not because coders are lazy or don't care if their program is bloated, but because hardware is catching up to their dreams. Programmers are able to implement things today that they couldn't do a few years ago.
If you don't want those features, then run Blackbox.
Personally, I don't think you know what 'bloat' is -- you seem to think that because 3.x is slower than 2.x it must be bloated. I think you've just heard that term so often that you repeat it to sound knowledgable.
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Why do they try to make it look like windows? If I want windows I use the genuine item, not some clone!.
/mnt/hda8 in the terminal you are in /mnt/hda8 (very clever, I always liked this, since KDE 1, in 1998). It you do this from 'My Computer', in the terminal you always remain in your home directory. That is, if I navigate to /mnt/hda8 from my computer and open a terminal from the tool menu, the location in the terminal is in my home directory,not in /mnt/hda8. The notations of partitions in My Computer are confusing. Accdording to the UNIX tradition I dont give names to different partitions (again, this is not Windows, there is no need for it, I identify the prtitions by their device names: /dev/sdb4, /dev/hda8, etc). In My computer two partitions with exactly the same size and no windows style names have exactly the same name, say '10.2 GB Volume'. Why dont they put the pathnames /mnt/sdb2, /mnt/hda4, etc. The way it is, 'My Computer' is totally useless, better trash it.
The standard KDE settings are getting worse and worse, you need to waste time to change them. For example recently they disabled the delete contextual menu, if you dont enable it yourself, it is a disaster. The KDE trash is not very functional, if you move some items from other drives or partitions to the trash the items are copied to the partition where your home directory is, in the trash directory, and only then you can delete them. Why dont they make a trash directory on each partition like in MacOS and Windows?. What happens if I want to delete a 12GB directory from a removable drive and and my home directory has only 8GB available?. KDE tries to copy the thing to the trash but there is not enough storage for that. The file manager is useless, the only solution is the rm command.
A couple or releases ago they introduced 'My Computer'. This is not Windows, there is no need for this. 'My Computer' in KDE is a bad Windows imitation and does not function like the regular KDE file manager. In the File Manager if you open a terminal from the tool menu, the location in the terminal is the same as in the window. If you opened the terminal from
Other inconvenience is produced by KDE automounting removable drives: for some obscure reason the removable devices mounted by KDE do not show up when I use the df command (Why?).Actually, I dont need automount, I usually disable it, if I attach an external drive, I read the name of the device given by linux from dmesg and mount it from the command line wherever I like, this way the mounted thing would show up in df, it is easier to figure out what is going on.
Kmail is one of the worst programs for lockups I've ever seen. I've experienced no end of lockups and crashes (as well as odd error messages telling me that it can't delete my mail folders - when I hadn't *asked* it to delete my mail folders) with the one that comes with 3.4. (Not to mention "lost" email - deleting one email, and having 1 or 2 other emails disappear along with it; although they don't show up in the trash, and if I quit kmail and restart, they reappear in the inbox.)
I had to switch to Thunderbird because it just got too frustrating. I like Kmail's interface better than Thunderbird (it's also faster), but until they can fix the crashes, it's pretty much useless.
"KDE 3.4 is really slow on a Pentium MMX class machine with 192 mb of ram. Soemtimes, you have to make sacrifices. However, XP can run on that machine nicely. "
I call bullshit. XP consumes most if not all of 128 meg just to load and if you have any apps running in your system tray (NAV, MS Antispyware, etc) you've just blown past that 192 mb RAM. Not to mention that the minimum requirement (an industry joke) for XP is a "Pentium 233-megahertz (MHz) processor or faster (300 MHz is recommended)". Pentium MMX stopped at 200mhz.
"We kicked that bug infested moronic kopete from kdenetwork because it doesn't even match the most simple quality standards and so the developers can release new versions from time to time instead bugging users by letting them wait for another kde release or fumble some SVN compiles into their package management." "We looked up 'consistency' and tried to get the spirit: KDE now after the upgrade will look the same, use the same fonts that you set in kcontrol, use the same bloody arrangement of your taskbar instead of randomly loosing launchers, meddle with their spacing or switch window/taskbar positions at random, oh, and the ~/.kde/*/*rc files are only altered as much as absoultely possible instead of warping them to something that'll never allow you to downgrade unless you want to start over arranging settings for every frickin' application or where clever enough to make backups." (Yeah admitted that backup thing was my fault in the past) "KMail now actually is usable by keyboard."
Does it now work with Google maps and gmail?
I know you could argue that Google should make them work but Konqueror has such a small market share that I know Google will not.
Will the new version of KDE render faster? Use the 3d in my video card for eye candy?
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1. Yes, you're locked in. This is both good and bad. It is bad in the sense that the hardware costs more. It is good in two ways however. Firstly, when you sell it three or four years later, you actually get back about half what you paid. Some box I built myself will be worth nothing (as new ones are so cheap). Secondly, everything works. I never have to configure anything when I get a new Mac. I put it on my desk, plug it in, and press the on button.
2. Upgrading will cost you? I can go buy a hard drive, ram, video card, etc, from all sorts of 3rd party vendors. The only thing I can't upgrade is the processor, and that's only on the new G5s. Sucks, yes.
3. A better desktop GUI than OS X? Well I suppose you either love it or you don't, but I personally am confident that it will be the best thing around for awhile. Besides, I can always run KDE or Gnome if I really want to. Plus you can always dual-boot.
4. Xcode is fantastic. There is no reason written in stone that "everything should be separate". If an integrated solution works best, then use that.
5. I've never had a Mac where the "window manager" wouldn't start. There's only one window manager, and hence there is no configuration files to go bonkers or anything to worry about. If it isn't working for you, it isn't working for a lot of other people too.
6. Mhmmm.
I would like to build my own boxes, yes. But as I said, the resale value negates much of the initial expense of buying a mac, and Apple certainly makes good hardware. The Mac is the best solution for what I do (art-related dsp and opengl work), so that's what I use.
Does it bother anyone else that every single friggin KDE app, has to be prefixed with the letter K? It reminds me of my newbie programming days when I felt compelled to come up with a new and exciting prefix for all of my C++ classes.
Is KDE a window manager or a collection of applications, or both? In case of the latter, which one of those is it the most? And when will they remove all those games that no-one really plays?
The KDE team has done a great job, and I love the environment. My only main concern is that they drop aRts now that we have ALSA in the kernel. Software mixing is a bit of a challenge when KDE apps try to generate sounds their own way, locking the sound device. But, it's been mentioned on the site that aRts is going unmaintained, and will be dropped in a future release. I hope this will be it. The aRts guys have done a great job, and now realize that it's time for their system to be put to pasture. Hats off to them for their work, and for knowing when certain tasks have outlived their usefulness.
so you are comparing a desktop of one hardware family to a laptop of another desktop family running two wildly different versions of an operating system ... and figure the difference is the desktop environment that runs on top of all that? heh.
2.0 was hobbled and very slow in many ways compared to 3.4. put them side by side for work tasks and the improvements are pretty obvious.
but for your measure here, i'd suggest loading KDE 2.0 on your IBM laptop, or 3.4 on your Ultra 1 =)
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Just resize the toolbar. It's either in the control panel or right-click on the toolbar itself.
KDE is quite nice that way. No matter the screen resolution, I can modify the size of pretty much everything. It's not perfect, but really good.
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If you run in GNOME, KDE applications look bloated. If you run in KDE, GNOME applications looked bloated. It's a side-effect of having two different frameworks that different applications use.
Exsqueeze me, but the new KDE desktop looks zack same as old one.
I don't see that. KDE-apps load in about second or two here, with no errors about "ksyscoa". And besides, programmers are in the minority in the end
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My biggest problem with KDE is the lack of usable documentation. There are tons of great apps. The desktop is very configurable, but documentation is, shall we say, sparse? I have way less patience than I used to.
Test 1 2 3 4
while (true){
bloat ++;
speed --;
compatibility --;
clipboard = false;
sound = false;
}
It isn't true, it's troll. Wine isn't a copy of the interface, it's a whole reimplementation of the API.
Actually, you proved his point, and that is: use whatever works for you.
Choice is freedom, and viceversa.
Hack your mind out of its sandbox.
Shift+Delete seems to be the standard "Delete without moving to trash" key combo.
...feels much snappier! Oh, wait, wrong thread...
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
I took care of that double-click shit by going to Settings, Configure Konqueror, Cookies,
/ads/ and other stuff.
Policy:
Default Policy: Ask for Confirmation
Site Policy: Add to Domain any and every IP range and domain name variation for double-shit and
(If you want to be REALLY "malevolent", just set the cookies as "session cookies" so they stay in memory and never get written any disk medium. But, Yahoo! and other sites might complain or stall, or never let you get past a notification window. I wonder, sometimes if they're whoring themselves out to marketing cookie meisters.)
Then, I use Etherape to SEE where traffic is going to and coming from regarding MY BOX. Use of a website, in my mind, does not grant double-click and cookie monsters rights to TRESPASS on my machine. Track whatever the hell you want on the visitED SITE, not the visitING machine.
Then, I go to firestarter and add the same stuff, domain names and domian IP ranges.
I hate double-click with a PASSION. They're just the digital version of and a combination of all those 70's paper catalog customer info files. I don't want them or any entity for which they act as a front being an affront to me by tracking and selling my surfing habits.
Finally, I periodically scour my cache and delete their junk, sometimes locking down my own cache under ROOT, even if I have a slower surfing experience.
Note: I am not against ALL cookies, just some of the more pernicious, insidious, and infuriating issuers of cookies. When I cannot block cookies, such as logging in with Yahoo!, I make sure to block the ads. I don't care to see most of them, and even if I let them run, I might click on maybe 1 out of 1000, and I tend to make sure I log out after copying and and pasting the URL, then I run the URL. I AM aware there might be a "web beacon" in the URL's page anyway, but that's something to quash on another day.
The reason I'm irritated by some of these cookies is that they coordinate banners based on what I might be doing, and I don't like that unless I OPT IN. I'm in the minority, I suppose, so what I'm doing won't run the sites out of business. Besides, the cookie baker has to pay for impressions, not responses, I think. So, whether or not I block the cookie and banner, if I am required to CLICK the banner but don't, then the site gets no click-through stream revenue ANYway. So much for some of the arguments of cookie and banner proponents. By blocking the cookies and banners, I cut down on distracting twilight-zone swirls and dancing junk. And, since I dart in and dart out of my email, I don't credibly spend enough time leaving the cookie or banner ad visible for the site to legitimately claim revenue anyway. It's not like I'm Gary Mitchell, reading 400 pages in 1 minute.
Am I being an ingrate? Making noise? Deserve my system being sabotaged or forced to endure 1-minute-crawling page loads (which has seemed to happen when I turn off cookies, or it's a bad KDE base at work in the 3.3x version...)
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First, I don't like those tips in KDE 3.4. Some linux folk seem to think that the OS is for advanced players. I am not one of those. But even so, I don't care about those tooltips. I have never needed them in any OS and no one I know likes them. There's no reason for me to even see them. To add more is just more annoying.
Aside from that there's no real enhancements that this author spoke of. They aren't even interesting. It just bothers me that someone would report this as an interesting read when in fact is is pretty banal and has no real information.
It is easy to confuse the meaning of a "yes" or "no" response if the question isn't correctly stated. It leaves the possibility of a double negative which can easily confuse the user - especially if that user uses english as a second language.
By using verbs as button labels, you don't get these problems. For example, imagine the message box that occurs when closing a document - "Do you wish to save the changes?" - or something similar. The options might be "Yes", "No", and "Cancel". Here, the difference between "No" and "Cancel" is obvious to most people, but not new users. An alternative would be to use "Save", "Don't Save", and "Cancel". Here, three verbs are used to describe the three different opperations. To new users, this is far less confusing. There is less chance of error.
For the majority of people out there, computers are needlessly complex. If the KDE group wants KDE to be usable by the majority of people, little changes like this have to be made. It might piss off some of the regular users, but thoses regular users can quickly adapt to the changes. In fact, most of those pissed off users will probably admit to prefering the new system once then have gotten used to it. Just look at the original backlash to OSX by traditional Mac users. I liked the traditional MacOS, but after using OSX for some time I must say that it has a vastly superior UI design then the old MacOS.
K is more common in German. Besides, KDE is a replacement of CDE
C(English) -> K(German)
CDE (English) -> KDE (German)
CDE (Common Desktop Environment) was promoted by US companies, Sun, HP, IBM, Silicon Graphics. German Developers wanted a German environment, full of K.
BTW I am no German.
Now I get to squint that much harder.
Why do we default to 10pt fonts? I may have a 19" monitor, but I'm probably running it at a resolution beyond 800x600 -- please have a 12 or 14pt default!
I agree with respect to some aspects of speed.
I can ignore most of the bloat, as it isn't that hard to customize the way the IDE looks and feels. However, there are other problems that are harder to ignore.
I love the Konqueror brower as it has a few features , like the x -delete button on the URL input line. It also has excellent book-marking capabilities.
However, I've had to abandon it for some sites where much scripting is done. Konqueror has very SLOW algorithms for translating scripts that build dynamic web-pages (even thought I have a cable broadband connection). Firefox runs much faster. Since much of my time involves web-browsing, regretably I get a big productivity gain by using Firefox as an alternative to Konqueror. In some cases Konqueror trips on pages designed for IE, which regretably is a fact of life for many websites. Consequently, plug-ins don't always work as they should. Clearly, more work has to be done in this area to bring users like me back into the fold.
I'd love to switch back, but until these deficiencies are corrected, it doesn't make much sense to go back.
KDE's nice, though, if you have lightening-fast hardware.
I read it as "Aging slut applies more makeup" instead of "Preview of KDE 3.5." Does that make me a GNOME zealot? Anybody?
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There is no reason why konqueror should consume 70-80% CPU on PIII 600MHz just moving the mouse on a menu. I strongly wish I had Windows explorer as a file manager. The UI and bloat of konqueror just blows.
Yes. I agree. Everyone who's working on any type of computer: hardware, software whatever; they should all just give up and buy a Mac.
The GUI is a nice toy, but as for the underpinnings, serious Unix people would not touch Mac OS X with a 10 foot pole.
"In addition the most common action should be on the far right where it is much more visible and obvious, thus:
[Don't Save][Save] rather than [Save][Don't Save]"
I consider dialogs much like a logical expression. If one is true, we can ignore the rest. Making save on the left (which is what we're more inclined to do) means that we'll hit that and don't even need to continue on reading or moving the cursor, saving effort. Plus, the left has been a positive (yes/save), rather than a negative (no/cancel), for as long as people have been using the dominant UI.
Just some minor corrections:
a file manager that can do sftp, ftp, smb, nfs, etc. I'll agree that those elements make the code bigger and possibly slower
Not really, as each protocol is a separate ioslave and only gets loaded when it is requested.
Kate, Kedit and Kdevelop all use the same editor
I think you mean KWrite, not KEdit. But you got the general idea.
How is the parent offtopic? Way to go, moderators.
You're new to linux right?
If you want your trash, your "my pc", and all that not very usefull stuff like windows, just use windows like you said.
I hope they include support for the MS Intellimouse. The extra buttons work in Firefox so why can't they work with Konqueror?
enough said.
(For those unfamiliar - it performs random web searches and mixes the resulting images into a collage).
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Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
"clutteredness (is that a word?)"
the correct usage would be:
"...the clutter seems to be inevitable..."
cheers
I doubt it. First of all, you can't conclude from three sentences that I'm a "crowdist wanker" (wtf is a crow dist, anyway...). I notice for one thing that you have read my comment. If you really think posting a comment to a web forum is being a crowd-ist wanker, then why do you post and read things there? Why do you read or care about the comments? Also, nothing that was bulk-pasted in the comments gave me any information that I couldn't get from a wine-o begging me for money in the subway. And there was too much to read, so why would I bother? It didn't seem interesting, just normal trollish spew. The only thing the person accomplished was to disrupt information exchange between people in the forum.
also keeping shift while clicking on contextual menu item does the same.
:)
btw, there was an issue where they (kde) proposed to change menu item from 'move to trash' to 'delete' if shift key is held. small, but nice change
Rich
I thought Potato Head was about the dumbest thing I had ever seen, but from what I've seen, kids of a certain age group LOVE it.
Some of our friends have kids, and without exception, they have no trouble using KDE, and they really like the games.
It's like getting a free babysitter in your box of cereal!
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
You're only going to see those messages if you run the program in a terminal. Otherwise, the output is piped to stderr, which winds up being /dev/null.
Doubt all you want. You can hide behind your comforts of thought for all I care. Convince yourself that the reasons are not what I say, you only decieve yourself.
The point was to disrupt and cause chaos. I did. You took out time to go "OH MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED HOW DARE YOU". I disrupted the normal flow of crowdism. You are dazed and confused, looking for some sort of reason to cast aside those who do not follow your conformist views to preserve your social and emotional security.
I win. You lose.
Anyway, good luck in school. If you're at all as clever as you think you are, you'll get over yourself. (Trolling an article which probably only I, one person, will ever read? Ouch, talk about bored....)
``First of all, KDE is still ridden with [Ok][Cancel]-buttons. These are sooo 1992-like and should be replaced with verbs, like they have correctly done with [Add to panel] in one of the screenshots. This should all be changed, and no new dialogs should be accepted until they confirm.''
That's just pure evil. Consistency is absolutely key in a GUI. If you're going to use different verb pairs for everything, you might as well use different languages for every panel as well.
Swahili, Yankee, Japanese, Portuguese, French, and Texan, anyone?