To the mod who tagged this troll: What part of "I" did you not understand? This is personal opinion, which I'm fully entitled to. I've also quoted the exact text in the official OpenBSD FAQ that I'm referring to.
Learn to moderate with some objectivity please, or have the decency not to pretend you're serving the community.
I can get everything I need by writing lots of ones and zeros in a binary editor too. Doesn't mean the person who wouldn't give me a CD image is a good guy.
I mean, it has a frickin' gigavolt-multimegampere proton beam
My car has multiple photon beams, powered by an engine generating up to 100000 volts many thousands of times per second. It's not as impressive as it sounds, though --- my torch has a photon beam too.
A month's worth of electricity for your VAX would probably buy you an entry-level modern PC.
You should throw the rubbish in a bin before you start the vax. If you don't, you'll just waste lots of electricity, with the thing running forever and making no progress, because there's a bag stopping the suction.
From wikipedia: "The word proprietary indicates that a party, or proprietor, exercises private ownership, control or use over an item of property."
From the OpenBSD faq: "The official OpenBSD CD-ROM layout is copyright Theo de Raadt. Theo does not permit people to redistribute images of the official OpenBSD CDs."
Small and stable, I'll grant you. Fast as hell though? Got repeatable benchmarks for that? I'll accept benchmarks comparing to the speed of Linux, FreeBSD, XP, OS X, or yes, Hell --- which ever you prefer;)
I installed NetBSD a few weeks ago, and it's not all that bad. It doesn't seem any worse than Debian.
Ah, that's good to hear:)
Huh? Pretty much everyone charges for CDs, but you can of course download OpenBSD free of charge.
No, with OpenBSD, they actually won't make public ISOs for download even. They charge you for an installable image. They claim to "copyright the CD layout" of the official CDs. Which "Theo does not permit people to redistribute images of". According to their FAQ, which I just checked, they do provide ISOs since 4.2, but that stuff I just quoted is still there, which, personally, is enough to put me off.
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Agreed in principle:) However, on version numbers... while 0.5.6 sounds young, Vala's roadmap doesn't have too many releases between that and 1.0, and I've tried it enough to know it works pretty well, so I'm fairly (although, granted, not 100%) happy with using it as a comparison at this stage. You're quite right about number of developers though. I'm not sure what it's user base is right now; I know there are a few reasonably large apps being written in it already. But yes, it could be a whole different ballgame I suppose, once thousands of people try to use it for myriad projects.
Of course it's a silly excuse. They shouldn't be fighting at all; they should be learning to work together. Next I suppose you'll be telling me a wife is justified in cutting off her husband's nuts because he started a fight, or that all that guantanamo stuff is fine.
The main one is that NetBSD is famous for running on many archictures -- even some toasters. Also, a lot of people would say that Linux is a bit ad-hoc and messy, whereas the BSDs are more thoroughly designed and coherent. For example, instead of lots of messy drivers with different tools that work in different ways, you tend to get a system that includes all drivers of a particular class. Man pages tend to be more up to date and more professional**, which is nice. I'm sure there other benefits to NetBSD too.
However, Linux has a much larger user and developer base, which tends to mean faster progress. It has better drivers, better support from hardware manufacturers (if proprietary, closed drivers can be called support at all), and the main software and desktops (GNOME, KDE, etc.) are mainly developed on Linux (though they do run on BSD), so essentially you have to wait much longer for the new releases on BSDs. Performance tends to be much better on Linux too, as the big new ideas usually get tried there first.
That said, BSD (in particular, FreeBSD) is definitely worth a look. The main problem is that they're such a hassle to install, compared to a modern Linux distro. Last time I checked it out, NetBSD was worse than FreeBSD in this regard, and probably tied with OpenBSD. OpenBSD is essentially proprietary as they charge for CDs (IIRC), so I just avoid that.
** That's largely because the GNU coreutils in Linux abandoned manpages in favour of something else. Ostensibly, that alternative was better; the hypertext (web-like) Texinfo system, but it's now just as old and crusty as manpages, imho. In reality, I never bothered figuring out the navigation system for gnu info, and tend to just google for answers.
The topic is a BSD variant, which gets the BSD category on Slashdot. BSD's logo is a red demon, so the color scheme for this category is red.
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Javascript, Smalltalk, or things like microsoft's CLR are not a good comparison for high-level languages' performance these days. That's because Vala manages to do everything that the CLR/JVM does, only with performance somewhere between C and C++.
You've been modded funny, but historically, the vast majority of wars seem to have been fought over resources like land (mainly for growing populations) and oil etc. I'd tend to agree that this will happen on other planets eventually, except that we might end up running out before that's feasible, and having to come up with an alternative resource type (fuel type) instead.
That's interesting, because I've noticed that many of the FOSS folks I know (the ones that seem especially zealous) have a particular disdain for Intel or anything they've touched. Could anyone clue me in regarding why?
I'm guessing that, rather than supporting FOSS because of the ethics of free software, they're just people who support the underdogs, which happens to include FOSS in the software world, and exclude Intel in the CPU world.
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To the mod who tagged this troll: What part of "I" did you not understand? This is personal opinion, which I'm fully entitled to. I've also quoted the exact text in the official OpenBSD FAQ that I'm referring to.
Learn to moderate with some objectivity please, or have the decency not to pretend you're serving the community.
I can get everything I need by writing lots of ones and zeros in a binary editor too. Doesn't mean the person who wouldn't give me a CD image is a good guy.
They copyrighted the ISO to make people's lives more difficult, so they would just pay. To me, that's not OK.
What the hell? Slashdot is removing my link. It's never done that before.
Only 0.12c? Man, those things depreciate so fast.
My car has multiple photon beams, powered by an engine generating up to 100000 volts many thousands of times per second. It's not as impressive as it sounds, though --- my torch has a photon beam too.
Workable = WORKing + DeniABLE
Zippy, is that you?
Yes, but the same could be said for Windows or OS X.
You should throw the rubbish in a bin before you start the vax. If you don't, you'll just waste lots of electricity, with the thing running forever and making no progress, because there's a bag stopping the suction.
From wikipedia: "The word proprietary indicates that a party, or proprietor, exercises private ownership, control or use over an item of property."
From the OpenBSD faq: "The official OpenBSD CD-ROM layout is copyright Theo de Raadt. Theo does not permit people to redistribute images of the official OpenBSD CDs."
Small and stable, I'll grant you. Fast as hell though? Got repeatable benchmarks for that? I'll accept benchmarks comparing to the speed of Linux, FreeBSD, XP, OS X, or yes, Hell --- which ever you prefer ;)
Ah, that's good to hear :)
No, with OpenBSD, they actually won't make public ISOs for download even. They charge you for an installable image. They claim to "copyright the CD layout" of the official CDs. Which "Theo does not permit people to redistribute images of". According to their FAQ, which I just checked, they do provide ISOs since 4.2, but that stuff I just quoted is still there, which, personally, is enough to put me off.
Agreed in principle :) However, on version numbers... while 0.5.6 sounds young, Vala's roadmap doesn't have too many releases between that and 1.0, and I've tried it enough to know it works pretty well, so I'm fairly (although, granted, not 100%) happy with using it as a comparison at this stage. You're quite right about number of developers though. I'm not sure what it's user base is right now; I know there are a few reasonably large apps being written in it already. But yes, it could be a whole different ballgame I suppose, once thousands of people try to use it for myriad projects.
Of course it's a silly excuse. They shouldn't be fighting at all; they should be learning to work together. Next I suppose you'll be telling me a wife is justified in cutting off her husband's nuts because he started a fight, or that all that guantanamo stuff is fine.
Let's try that again, with HTML:
It certainly is. They should be using
the proper, official, globally accepted and widely lauded BSD logo.
"So that's where I left the Vista code. If I only I'd found it sooner. We wouldn't have needed to go back to using balsa for windows 7."
It certainly is. They should be using
the proper, official, globally accepted and widely lauded BSD logo.
The main one is that NetBSD is famous for running on many archictures -- even some toasters. Also, a lot of people would say that Linux is a bit ad-hoc and messy, whereas the BSDs are more thoroughly designed and coherent. For example, instead of lots of messy drivers with different tools that work in different ways, you tend to get a system that includes all drivers of a particular class. Man pages tend to be more up to date and more professional**, which is nice. I'm sure there other benefits to NetBSD too.
However, Linux has a much larger user and developer base, which tends to mean faster progress. It has better drivers, better support from hardware manufacturers (if proprietary, closed drivers can be called support at all), and the main software and desktops (GNOME, KDE, etc.) are mainly developed on Linux (though they do run on BSD), so essentially you have to wait much longer for the new releases on BSDs. Performance tends to be much better on Linux too, as the big new ideas usually get tried there first.
That said, BSD (in particular, FreeBSD) is definitely worth a look. The main problem is that they're such a hassle to install, compared to a modern Linux distro. Last time I checked it out, NetBSD was worse than FreeBSD in this regard, and probably tied with OpenBSD. OpenBSD is essentially proprietary as they charge for CDs (IIRC), so I just avoid that.
** That's largely because the GNU coreutils in Linux abandoned manpages in favour of something else. Ostensibly, that alternative was better; the hypertext (web-like) Texinfo system, but it's now just as old and crusty as manpages, imho. In reality, I never bothered figuring out the navigation system for gnu info, and tend to just google for answers.
The topic is a BSD variant, which gets the BSD category on Slashdot. BSD's logo is a red demon, so the color scheme for this category is red.
Javascript, Smalltalk, or things like microsoft's CLR are not a good comparison for high-level languages' performance these days. That's because Vala manages to do everything that the CLR/JVM does, only with performance somewhere between C and C++.
That's the justification, not the cause. Same as how children fight, and then use silly excuses like "she started it".
No, Uranus.
You've been modded funny, but historically, the vast majority of wars seem to have been fought over resources like land (mainly for growing populations) and oil etc. I'd tend to agree that this will happen on other planets eventually, except that we might end up running out before that's feasible, and having to come up with an alternative resource type (fuel type) instead.
I'm guessing that, rather than supporting FOSS because of the ethics of free software, they're just people who support the underdogs, which happens to include FOSS in the software world, and exclude Intel in the CPU world.