I'm neither on the left or right. I prefer to stand with the facts. I hate Moore because the dude is a flat-out liar. Lies don't provide anyone a service other than propagandists whose positions are so weak that facts can't support them.
And I didn't say Moore should be discredited because people are CRITICAL of him. I said Moore should be discreditted because he routinely lies about easily verifiable facts.
Ignore 99% of the argument (that the whole conspiracy is ludacris) and focus on the fact that I knowingly admit I haven't bothered to heavily research the specific claim.
I explain my reasoning. Moore has a track record of flat out lying about everything under the sun. I don't waste my time assuming his claim is the truth until I can find proof otherwise, especially when logic dictates it is fucking ludacris.
Show me some definitive proof the claim is valid and then I'll entertain the rest of the discussion.
No, standing behind liars doesn't make you a hero and a paragon of truth. It makes you a hypocrite.
If you truly believe in the pursuit of truth, then you need to focus on the truth. I know that is a crazy concept in this partisan society of ours where we want to side with anyone who picks a fight with the other side.
You're suggesting the first is impossible to know because we can't know his motivations. But then you claim his motivations are known.
Bush wasn't this clever mastermind you made him out to be.
Wired actually had a great article on the early failings in Iraq and Afghanistan. It came down to over-confidence that our amazing technology would solve every issue. In the end, we've had to rely more on social engineering and diplomacy on the ground, which is why we ended up needing more troops.
I shouldn't be baited by AC-conspiracy-trolls, but let me just say this.
It isn't fair to say Bush is an idiot, because he was well educated. But he was naive in many ways and made Jimmy Carter look like a great speaker. He was very simple in many ways.
He was old fashioned, he saw everythin in black and white, and he drew lines in the sand. He was a hardcore conservative and he rubbed foreign leaders the wrong way because he never understood diplomacy, politics or subtlety.
I won't claim he was a great President (though perhaps history is harsher on him than it should be) but the moment you claim he was this clever, lying mastermind that took part in a conspiracy to murder thousands of innocent American civilians, you've dived off the deep end.
As for your specific question, I haven't investigaed the veracity of your claim. But given Moore's track records of bold face lies, I haven't given it much thought. Lets say for a moment that it is true.
Logically lets examine it. Bush did have some ties with oil companies. The Bin Laden family is actually a very wealthy family of legitimate business associates that have disowned their nutjob son. Parents and kids aren't automatically working together or on the same page. Lord knows I'm very different from my parents. They have criminal records for instance. Does that make me a criminal?
However, it doesn't matter given that the question is based on pure lies. The Bin Laden family wasn't allowed to fly until September 13th, when they eased the lockdown and started to allow others to fly.
He previously called the cloud a joke. But here is the reality of the situation. I like having my email available on multiple devices. I like how easy it is to use web services rather than run my own cloud. I'm voluntarily allowing Google to serve ads to me in return for free services.
And for most non-technical users who can't figure out how to back-up their data, automatically saving their data in the cloud is better than having no back-ups at all.
There are websites that document hundreds of verifiable lies that he has made.
This is the same guy who has insinuated that George W. Bush is pals with Osama Bin Laden and specifically sent too few troops into Afghanistan to make sure Bin Laden escaped and wanted to keep his Taliban friends safe.
Nutjob and liar. What a great combination. It is a shame because he tackles issues that do deserve some attention, and then he invalidates the discussion his his bullshit.
I don't have a problem with a person having liberal or conservative beliefs. And I would applaud Moore if his goal was to expose the truth.
Moore is nothing short of a liar. I know I'll get called a troll, but there are basic verifiable facts. He lies about census numbers. Heck, he stood in front of a statue and lied about what the plaque said, even though it was really easy to verify he was lying.
That isn't necessarily true of all corporations, but taking out api.paypal.com does hurt countless small businesses who use the PayPal API to handle transactions.
Your parents supported freedom in the face of an oppressive Communist government. Kudos to them.
Here we have Democracy and legal protest is a valid option. I didn't say they had no right to protest. I argued they should have chosen another means to make their protest rather than breaking the law and annoying people.
I'd say the only difference here is that the Boston Tea Party was such a shocking act of rebellion and caused such a financial impact that it couldn't be ignored.
The other difference is that the colonials didn't have much choice given that they lived under a monarch.
We live in a Democracy/Republic. Here politicians pay close attention to Gallup polls. Here, leaders can be voted out of office. Here, a legal protest can affect change.
Protesters who annoy and inconvenience me don't convince me to side with them. Rather, by annoying me I am actually more likely to not support their cause.
I think it has worked out fairly well actually. I have sat down to have time with guys like Lee Terry. Hal Daub (former Congressman and mayor here in Omaha) has repeatedly made time to sit down with me. He also wrote a letter of recommendation to get my wife her job.
The State Senator I talked to about the Limited Liability law called me back 3-4 times to discuss the issue, but wasn't able to get law changed becuase he hit term limits and left office. But he passed the issue on to his replacement. I'm still hoping to see the law changed.
So many people assume that elected officials are unreachable that they never bother trying to contact them. That just means my voice is effectively that much louder as the one of the few who do reach out.
Reaching a government official and talking to them isn't nearly as impossible as you might imagine it is.
I've talked to my Nebraska Representatives and Senators. I've also reached out to a State Senator to ask for Limited Liability laws to change.
You suggest it is naive. Are you suggesting that Democracy is then broken and pointless? Then why bother fighting to try and preserve it in the first place?
The people trying to take down api.paypal.com, visa.com, amazon.com, etc. were supposedly defending Democracy. That is naive.
As advocates of Democracy and transparency, let's break the law and act in secret to take down big companies, which in turn hurts small businesses who use these payment services. Let's also inconvenience random shoppers. Let's create all kinds of random collateral damage to make a point about supporting transparency by supporting a completely secretive organization.
Sorry, I'm not buying it.
I was just at the Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial and museum. One of the more interesting aspects of it was that the people motivated to bomb the federal building (and kill infants in the nursery) were upset at the government. They felt the most effective way to change the government was a terrorist attack. The two responsible were caught. One will serve life in prison while the other was executed. They didn't change government, but they did forfeit their lives.
Conversely, families of vicitms banded together, formed a group and went to Washington D.C. to ask for reform in how the death penalty is handled in federal cases. They felt the best way to support Democracy and affect change was to use Democracy itself.
That doesn't matter nearly as much as it did years ago, however given that Canonical would be the one making the purchase, I'm sure they'd stick with.deb
I still think Canonical should buy SUSE. Novell was just sold, but I don't know if Attachmate wanted the Linux division particularly.
It sounds crazy to suggest because I hate a lot of things about Ubuntu and love SUSE, but I think it would be a marriage made in heaven.
Ubuntu is really trying to innovate and change desktop paradigms. They're making serious in roads, and OEMs are willing to deal with Ubuntu.
That being said they are too bleeding edge to be taken seriously in the server/enterprise department, they have poor QA, they treat KDE as a bastard stepchild, and they don't push enough code upstream.
SUSE has great engineers, pushes tons of great code upstream, has a great server product, has good QA and puts out a great KDE desktop.
You'd get the best of Ubuntu's package manager, and SUSE's fantastic Yast tools. Canonical would also pick up SUSE's SUSE Studio and the Open Build Service.
I think you could capture the desktop market with Ubuntu's music store, cloud storage, etc. and the enterprise server market by leveraging Novell/SUSE's good name with SLED.
Tell me you wouldn't want to run a desktop that merged the best features of Ubuntu and openSUSE.
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He later insinuates that Bush specifically sent too few troops to Afghanistan to protect Bin Laden aad the Taliban.
I don't read anyone on the far left or far right.
And I shouldn't have to try and defend that I'm not on the far-right just because I'm calling Moore a liar.
You might want to note that no major Democrat politician will associate closely with Moore. That should be more telling than anything.
Or you could do something crazy like take two seconds and see for yourself that he lies about clear verifiable facts.
Is the service free?
Google is providing me free services that don't take time and effort on my part to administer.
Like I said, I could arrange my own "cloud" to access my files, contacts, email, calendar, etc. on my own server in some hosted farm.
I in turn trust the vendor who is hosting those servers, and pay money, plus all the time on my part, or I trust Google.
I have no qualms trusting Google.
I'm neither on the left or right. I prefer to stand with the facts. I hate Moore because the dude is a flat-out liar. Lies don't provide anyone a service other than propagandists whose positions are so weak that facts can't support them.
And I didn't say Moore should be discredited because people are CRITICAL of him. I said Moore should be discreditted because he routinely lies about easily verifiable facts.
Ignore 99% of the argument (that the whole conspiracy is ludacris) and focus on the fact that I knowingly admit I haven't bothered to heavily research the specific claim.
I explain my reasoning. Moore has a track record of flat out lying about everything under the sun. I don't waste my time assuming his claim is the truth until I can find proof otherwise, especially when logic dictates it is fucking ludacris.
Show me some definitive proof the claim is valid and then I'll entertain the rest of the discussion.
No, standing behind liars doesn't make you a hero and a paragon of truth. It makes you a hypocrite.
If you truly believe in the pursuit of truth, then you need to focus on the truth. I know that is a crazy concept in this partisan society of ours where we want to side with anyone who picks a fight with the other side.
You're suggesting the first is impossible to know because we can't know his motivations. But then you claim his motivations are known.
Bush wasn't this clever mastermind you made him out to be.
Wired actually had a great article on the early failings in Iraq and Afghanistan. It came down to over-confidence that our amazing technology would solve every issue. In the end, we've had to rely more on social engineering and diplomacy on the ground, which is why we ended up needing more troops.
I shouldn't be baited by AC-conspiracy-trolls, but let me just say this.
It isn't fair to say Bush is an idiot, because he was well educated. But he was naive in many ways and made Jimmy Carter look like a great speaker. He was very simple in many ways.
He was old fashioned, he saw everythin in black and white, and he drew lines in the sand. He was a hardcore conservative and he rubbed foreign leaders the wrong way because he never understood diplomacy, politics or subtlety.
I won't claim he was a great President (though perhaps history is harsher on him than it should be) but the moment you claim he was this clever, lying mastermind that took part in a conspiracy to murder thousands of innocent American civilians, you've dived off the deep end.
As for your specific question, I haven't investigaed the veracity of your claim. But given Moore's track records of bold face lies, I haven't given it much thought. Lets say for a moment that it is true.
Logically lets examine it. Bush did have some ties with oil companies. The Bin Laden family is actually a very wealthy family of legitimate business associates that have disowned their nutjob son. Parents and kids aren't automatically working together or on the same page. Lord knows I'm very different from my parents. They have criminal records for instance. Does that make me a criminal?
However, it doesn't matter given that the question is based on pure lies. The Bin Laden family wasn't allowed to fly until September 13th, when they eased the lockdown and started to allow others to fly.
In summary:
http://xkcd.com/258/
He previously called the cloud a joke. But here is the reality of the situation. I like having my email available on multiple devices. I like how easy it is to use web services rather than run my own cloud. I'm voluntarily allowing Google to serve ads to me in return for free services.
And for most non-technical users who can't figure out how to back-up their data, automatically saving their data in the cloud is better than having no back-ups at all.
There are websites that document hundreds of verifiable lies that he has made.
This is the same guy who has insinuated that George W. Bush is pals with Osama Bin Laden and specifically sent too few troops into Afghanistan to make sure Bin Laden escaped and wanted to keep his Taliban friends safe.
Nutjob and liar. What a great combination. It is a shame because he tackles issues that do deserve some attention, and then he invalidates the discussion his his bullshit.
I don't have a problem with a person having liberal or conservative beliefs. And I would applaud Moore if his goal was to expose the truth.
Moore is nothing short of a liar. I know I'll get called a troll, but there are basic verifiable facts. He lies about census numbers. Heck, he stood in front of a statue and lied about what the plaque said, even though it was really easy to verify he was lying.
That isn't necessarily true of all corporations, but taking out api.paypal.com does hurt countless small businesses who use the PayPal API to handle transactions.
Lets compare apples to apples, shall we?
Your parents supported freedom in the face of an oppressive Communist government. Kudos to them.
Here we have Democracy and legal protest is a valid option. I didn't say they had no right to protest. I argued they should have chosen another means to make their protest rather than breaking the law and annoying people.
Touche.
I'd say the only difference here is that the Boston Tea Party was such a shocking act of rebellion and caused such a financial impact that it couldn't be ignored.
The other difference is that the colonials didn't have much choice given that they lived under a monarch.
We live in a Democracy/Republic. Here politicians pay close attention to Gallup polls. Here, leaders can be voted out of office. Here, a legal protest can affect change.
Protesters who annoy and inconvenience me don't convince me to side with them. Rather, by annoying me I am actually more likely to not support their cause.
I think it has worked out fairly well actually. I have sat down to have time with guys like Lee Terry. Hal Daub (former Congressman and mayor here in Omaha) has repeatedly made time to sit down with me. He also wrote a letter of recommendation to get my wife her job.
The State Senator I talked to about the Limited Liability law called me back 3-4 times to discuss the issue, but wasn't able to get law changed becuase he hit term limits and left office. But he passed the issue on to his replacement. I'm still hoping to see the law changed.
So many people assume that elected officials are unreachable that they never bother trying to contact them. That just means my voice is effectively that much louder as the one of the few who do reach out.
Reaching a government official and talking to them isn't nearly as impossible as you might imagine it is.
I've talked to my Nebraska Representatives and Senators. I've also reached out to a State Senator to ask for Limited Liability laws to change.
You suggest it is naive. Are you suggesting that Democracy is then broken and pointless? Then why bother fighting to try and preserve it in the first place?
The people trying to take down api.paypal.com, visa.com, amazon.com, etc. were supposedly defending Democracy. That is naive.
api.paypal.com was a primary target, as was amazon.com, which would stop retail purchases.
As advocates of Democracy and transparency, let's break the law and act in secret to take down big companies, which in turn hurts small businesses who use these payment services. Let's also inconvenience random shoppers. Let's create all kinds of random collateral damage to make a point about supporting transparency by supporting a completely secretive organization.
Sorry, I'm not buying it.
I was just at the Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial and museum. One of the more interesting aspects of it was that the people motivated to bomb the federal building (and kill infants in the nursery) were upset at the government. They felt the most effective way to change the government was a terrorist attack. The two responsible were caught. One will serve life in prison while the other was executed. They didn't change government, but they did forfeit their lives.
Conversely, families of vicitms banded together, formed a group and went to Washington D.C. to ask for reform in how the death penalty is handled in federal cases. They felt the best way to support Democracy and affect change was to use Democracy itself.
That is such a novel concept.
With the appeal of a stable/respected SLES server product, and revenue streams from Ubuntu One/Ubuntu Music store, etc.
Like Warner Brothers forking over big bucks on the unproved Wachowski brothers to make the Matrix?
Or Nolan making Inception?
There are good original movies. I just skip the crappy remakes and vote with my wallet to go see movies like Inception instead.
Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P6EuhSNbGk
Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFh1X0pZSM8
Harrison Ford filed to protect his likeness so someone couldn't use it after he passed away.
Sun was already dying before the opened up Java or Solaris. But lets blame something else than poor management.
That doesn't matter nearly as much as it did years ago, however given that Canonical would be the one making the purchase, I'm sure they'd stick with .deb
What part of KDE makes work harder to do?
That must be your distro. That isn't the KDE default.
I still think Canonical should buy SUSE. Novell was just sold, but I don't know if Attachmate wanted the Linux division particularly.
It sounds crazy to suggest because I hate a lot of things about Ubuntu and love SUSE, but I think it would be a marriage made in heaven.
Ubuntu is really trying to innovate and change desktop paradigms. They're making serious in roads, and OEMs are willing to deal with Ubuntu.
That being said they are too bleeding edge to be taken seriously in the server/enterprise department, they have poor QA, they treat KDE as a bastard stepchild, and they don't push enough code upstream.
SUSE has great engineers, pushes tons of great code upstream, has a great server product, has good QA and puts out a great KDE desktop.
You'd get the best of Ubuntu's package manager, and SUSE's fantastic Yast tools. Canonical would also pick up SUSE's SUSE Studio and the Open Build Service.
I think you could capture the desktop market with Ubuntu's music store, cloud storage, etc. and the enterprise server market by leveraging Novell/SUSE's good name with SLED.
Tell me you wouldn't want to run a desktop that merged the best features of Ubuntu and openSUSE.