That's a problem of inequality not of agriculture. This problem is due to a small percentage of the worlds population owning most of everything, AKA greed.
1) Lock-in, once you've planted a seed you can't go back because any remaining seeds could grow and the farmer can then be sued. 2) Suing neighbouring farmers when the seeds get into their crops (documented, google it) 3) Expense, no surprises that the GMO seeds are more expensive and require expensive pesticides etc from the company that sells the seeds. 4) Loss of diversity, a new virus can come along and wipe out massive amounts of crops when those crops are identical clones all with a single common source. 5) Random unknown side effects, more of them because when the patent runs out the GMO Co' will want to change the gene again every time for patent lock-in.
And it's not twice as safe as careful drivers, it's twice as safe as all drivers including those who fell asleep, drunk, on drugs, etc. Not a good standard to match.
It's simple, voting for someone and that someone putting their mate into a position that is actually more powerful than their own is not democratic.
Voting for someone who can then be voted out is just about democratic, more democratic is voting directly on policies.
Once you introduce a degree of separation you destroy the democratic element. This is clearly shown by the Commissioners not giving a **** what we think. If the EU was democratic then would would give a fuck.
Eh? Of course I do, The Parliament is made up of elected MPs, The Cabinet is made up of elected MPs, The Prime Minister is an elected MP. These people are government and they are the government decision makers.
I'm a member of 38 Degrees, there are a couple of million members, we've been quite effective at stopping the excesses of the Tory party. THAT is democratic accountability, that is why it is important to be able to vote for the lawmakers, that is what we do not get with the EU. We have been telling the EU for years now that we do not want TTIP and it's only ground to a halt because EU bureaucrats can agree with US negotiators.
TTIP is not yet finalised and is the product of a request from Obama to have such treaty. Likely, in its current form, it will be rejected by the Council of Ministers and the EP (using majority voting), the Council of Ministers is controlled by member state parliaments, and they can mandate that the minister votes in a certain way. There are certain problems with the TTIP, but virtually all international treaties gives effected legal persons the right to sue governments or use an arbitration court to settle issues when one party violates the treaty and causes financial harm. Note that such law suites / arbitration procedures are only if the treaty provisions are violated. Any other legislative act that causes financial harm is not subject to such court proceedings.
TTIP is nasty shit, corporations have tried to put in 'treaty provisions' that basically say their profits can't be affected by new laws. It seems like you're trying to defend this crap.
Switzerland did not vote to leave Schengen, the voted to abolish the freedom of movement parts of their association agreement with the EU.
Schengen is the freedom of movement parts.
The EU Constitution got a few words changed they renamed it to the Lisbon Treaty, it's pretty much the same thing. that's what they mostly voted against, they weren't asked again. - how many people in the EU were asked if they agreed with it? I certainly didn't? Extremely undemocratic.
The reason The Commission keeps hitting us with crap like TTIP is because they are not democratically accountable. I'm starting to think we need to give politicians 12 month terms in this fast moving world because they're not paying attention to the electorate.
Democracy is not democracy if it isn't direct. If I did not get to vote for these people ever then that is not democracy. I don't care if some politician chose somebody, that's not democracy because I can't vote the person out if they don't represent me.
I'm 'leave camp' and it's pretty obvious that the Commission would not choose democracy. The EEC was told to come up with a more democratic constitution / treaty. It didn't.
Now this --^ is trolling, The lords do not typically initiate legislation, the commons does.
The EU OTOH is not democratic what-so-ever, we can vote for MEPs who are the least powerful people in the EU with the Commission being the most powerful, but of course we can't vote for the Commission.
Switzerland, one of the EU's wealthiest economies with a very strong economy voted to leave Schengen in 2014. And it's outside of the EU. And it just said last week that it's no longer interested in joining the EU.
And France rejected the EU, And The Netherlands rejected the EU. And Iceland ripped up it's EU application.
This institution is the institution that gave us TTIP, the treaty that would give corporations the right to sue any EU government that introduces legislation that effects it's profits even when that government is legislating to protect workers rights or the environment or public services or food standards. When did I ever get to vote for them?
Cameron wasn't against the idea of a EU army, he said he'd support it as long as other countries paid their fair share towards it. Understandable since we have a higher military budget.
Very good reason to leave IMO, along with the democratic argument.
Lol there still has only been 1 working day since the vote, we have not left the EU yet and you're already calling a stock market and currency fluctuation 'economic meltdown'. Perhaps you should be blaming the real culprits - financial speculators. And the FTSE100 ended the week UP on the previous week by the way, hardly a stock market crash.
Most people that voted to leave were concerned about democratic accountability - it was their number one concern.
It was certainly my biggest reason for leaving. 6 months after we've left and if the rest of the western world is isn't also suffering from a recession then you might be able to say brexit has caused a recession. But, I honestly don't give a 4star because I understand that some things in life are more important than money. And I also understand that whether or not the UK economy succeeds is down to whether or businesses invest in themselves and whether or not banks choose to lend to them. Banks are primarily the cause of any recession de facto when they stop lending.
Do you know what a quango is? The Commission is 100% quango. They gave us TTIP and ACTA.
Do you recall France rejecting the EU consitution, same for the netherlands, what happened? Read what the Commission president had to say on matters of democracy: Jean-Claude Juncker - Wikiquote
We just escaped a dangerous bureacracy, you should be celebrating.
No, the commission is not elected, what are you going on about? And you're calling me uninformed. When was this election, post a link please.
You seriously don't understand what democracy is.
"And the UK is not, since one of its Parliament's chambers is unelected, and so is its head of state."
That's like saying Dave's car is not red because Fred's car is blue. The kind of strange completely illogical argument that I've come to expect from people who try and tell me that black is white, up is down and the EU is democratic.
We did not vote for the Commission, that means it is not democratic, why is that so hard for you to understand?????????
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That's a problem of inequality not of agriculture. This problem is due to a small percentage of the worlds population owning most of everything, AKA greed.
1) Lock-in, once you've planted a seed you can't go back because any remaining seeds could grow and the farmer can then be sued.
2) Suing neighbouring farmers when the seeds get into their crops (documented, google it)
3) Expense, no surprises that the GMO seeds are more expensive and require expensive pesticides etc from the company that sells the seeds.
4) Loss of diversity, a new virus can come along and wipe out massive amounts of crops when those crops are identical clones all with a single common source.
5) Random unknown side effects, more of them because when the patent runs out the GMO Co' will want to change the gene again every time for patent lock-in.
Or what? You have something against freedom of speech? That is his belief and it's also my belief.
Google is right, semi-autonomous is outright dangerous.
And it's not twice as safe as careful drivers, it's twice as safe as all drivers including those who fell asleep, drunk, on drugs, etc. Not a good standard to match.
It's simple, voting for someone and that someone putting their mate into a position that is actually more powerful than their own is not democratic.
Voting for someone who can then be voted out is just about democratic, more democratic is voting directly on policies.
Once you introduce a degree of separation you destroy the democratic element. This is clearly shown by the Commissioners not giving a **** what we think. If the EU was democratic then would would give a fuck.
Eh? Of course I do, The Parliament is made up of elected MPs, The Cabinet is made up of elected MPs, The Prime Minister is an elected MP. These people are government and they are the government decision makers.
I'm a member of 38 Degrees, there are a couple of million members, we've been quite effective at stopping the excesses of the Tory party. THAT is democratic accountability, that is why it is important to be able to vote for the lawmakers, that is what we do not get with the EU. We have been telling the EU for years now that we do not want TTIP and it's only ground to a halt because EU bureaucrats can agree with US negotiators.
And?
If I can't vote them in then I can't vote them out which means they don't represent me which is why I voted to leave the EU. They don't represent the people of the EU, they have been representing corporations though.
Three-quarters of declared EU lobby meetings with corporate interests | News | The Guardian
Ok so I meant EU commission president, there is also a Council president and a parliament president. And I'll be glad to say good bye to them.
TTIP is nasty shit, corporations have tried to put in 'treaty provisions' that basically say their profits can't be affected by new laws. It seems like you're trying to defend this crap.
Schengen is the freedom of movement parts.
The EU Constitution got a few words changed they renamed it to the Lisbon Treaty, it's pretty much the same thing. that's what they mostly voted against, they weren't asked again. - how many people in the EU were asked if they agreed with it? I certainly didn't? Extremely undemocratic.
The reason The Commission keeps hitting us with crap like TTIP is because they are not democratically accountable. I'm starting to think we need to give politicians 12 month terms in this fast moving world because they're not paying attention to the electorate.
Democracy is not democracy if it isn't direct. If I did not get to vote for these people ever then that is not democracy. I don't care if some politician chose somebody, that's not democracy because I can't vote the person out if they don't represent me.
The Cabinet is made up of elected MPs.
The Commission is still a quango, people who were not elected by EU citizens put in to positions that are unaccountable to the PEOPLE of the EU.
And? What about the Commissioners? Not elected by the Citizens of the EU and nor was the EU president.
I can do these daft arguments all day.
65 million now!! The population has been rising fast!
I'm 'leave camp' and it's pretty obvious that the Commission would not choose democracy. The EEC was told to come up with a more democratic constitution / treaty. It didn't.
And how much of the UK population voted for the Commission?
Now this --^ is trolling, The lords do not typically initiate legislation, the commons does.
The EU OTOH is not democratic what-so-ever, we can vote for MEPs who are the least powerful people in the EU with the Commission being the most powerful, but of course we can't vote for the Commission.
Switzerland has voted to control immigration, EU had a hissy fit.
There's a word for that, it's called protectionism. Not the right way to run an economy.
I don't believe you thought that through, what would happen to Spains tourism?
I'd be a really good example of a country cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.
Switzerland, one of the EU's wealthiest economies with a very strong economy voted to leave Schengen in 2014. And it's outside of the EU. And it just said last week that it's no longer interested in joining the EU.
And France rejected the EU, And The Netherlands rejected the EU. And Iceland ripped up it's EU application.
This institution is the institution that gave us TTIP, the treaty that would give corporations the right to sue any EU government that introduces legislation that effects it's profits even when that government is legislating to protect workers rights or the environment or public services or food standards. When did I ever get to vote for them?
Cameron wasn't against the idea of a EU army, he said he'd support it as long as other countries paid their fair share towards it. Understandable since we have a higher military budget.
Very good reason to leave IMO, along with the democratic argument.
We have the EU for that. Had, had the EU Commission for that. :-)
Lol there still has only been 1 working day since the vote, we have not left the EU yet and you're already calling a stock market and currency fluctuation 'economic meltdown'. Perhaps you should be blaming the real culprits - financial speculators. And the FTSE100 ended the week UP on the previous week by the way, hardly a stock market crash.
Most people that voted to leave were concerned about democratic accountability - it was their number one concern.
It was certainly my biggest reason for leaving. 6 months after we've left and if the rest of the western world is isn't also suffering from a recession then you might be able to say brexit has caused a recession. But, I honestly don't give a 4star because I understand that some things in life are more important than money. And I also understand that whether or not the UK economy succeeds is down to whether or businesses invest in themselves and whether or not banks choose to lend to them. Banks are primarily the cause of any recession de facto when they stop lending.
Do you know what a quango is? The Commission is 100% quango. They gave us TTIP and ACTA.
Do you recall France rejecting the EU consitution, same for the netherlands, what happened? Read what the Commission president had to say on matters of democracy:
Jean-Claude Juncker - Wikiquote
We just escaped a dangerous bureacracy, you should be celebrating.
No, the commission is not elected, what are you going on about? And you're calling me uninformed. When was this election, post a link please.
You seriously don't understand what democracy is.
"And the UK is not, since one of its Parliament's chambers is unelected, and so is its head of state."
That's like saying Dave's car is not red because Fred's car is blue. The kind of strange completely illogical argument that I've come to expect from people who try and tell me that black is white, up is down and the EU is democratic.
We did not vote for the Commission, that means it is not democratic, why is that so hard for you to understand?????????