Have you any idea how bad these treaties are? Nearly two million people so far have petitioned -against TTIP - a treaty that they tried to write in secret and they tried to exclude important stakeholders.
TTIP contains ACTA - a copyright treaty which was strongly rejected by the people of the EU. If the Commission were democratically chosen which they are most certainly not then they would not be pulling this crap.
The Commission is not in any way democratic any more than civil servants are democratically chosen, it is akin to calling a quango democratic.
It seems to me that the AI systems we create are all very application specific, like the IBM Watson - how many hours of work did it take just to get Watson to be able to play a simple game, it's not a generic AI system, it wasn't an AI that could enter any quiz.
Watson was good at Jeopardy not because it had a good AI, but because it's creators were highly intelligent and were able to code a computer to be good at Jeopardy because *they* not the computer were intelligent.
Is there a computer that exists that can do a normal IQ test like for example IQ Test
From what I've seen when AI's have been tested, the tests have been created, altered or cherry-picked so that the AI can complete the test, which of course is of dubious value. And of course IQ tests have a tendency to be very math and geometry based.
And journalists come up with headlines like "Artificial Intelligence System 'ConceptNet 4' Has IQ of 4-Year-Old", but it's not like human intelligence..
ConceptNet 4 had very uneven scores across the board, which would typically concern those who administer the test. The AI system did well on vocabulary tests and the ability to recognize similarities, but lacked when it came to "why" -- or commonsense -- questions.
How does all this apply to real world situations? Well, the google car has been rear ended 7+ times, roughly ten times the norm, this raises questions as to why? Did the car fail to anticipate being rear-ended? Or did the car brake suddenly because it was not intelligent enough to determine that there was no risk of harm ahead? Did this come down to the cars inability to recognise an object in front of it, or did this come down to the car not being able to decide that it would be better to go over the object rather than being rear-ended.
Does anyone actually believe the Bank of England's top press guy 'accidentally' emailed this to the Guardian, the paper most likely to run with it. Why even pretend?
ACTA, TTIP, CETA and TISA These are the reasons why we should leave the EU, the Commission keeps throwing extremely bad treaties at us because they can because they are unelected.
We should not have an unelected body writing our laws.
And the EU appears to be trying to build up an army at the same time as needlessly antagonising Russia. Read 1984. Again.
When it comes to debate, all of the reasons given for UK staying in the EU are typical sound bites, vagaries and bad analogies.
Some reasons against staying in the EU are:
The Commission is undemocratic, unaccountable and unelected.
The Commission keeps writing bad treaties that are severely to the detriment of EU citizens and only to the benefit of global corporations, treaties like ACTA, TTIP, CETA and TISA.
The EU wants it's own army and is clearly working towards getting one.
At the same time the EU and US leaders have been antagonising Russia.
It's like the Commission, EU president et al have read 1984 and are using it as a handbook on how to run the EU.
You have a first past the post system which means like us in the UK you're kind of screwed, you can vote for Clinton or you can vote GOP which from past experience means someone who is likely a climate denier and a war-monger. Or you can vote 3rd party but then your vote doesn't count and if you're in a state that always stays with the same party then again, your vote doesn't count.
there's a big new market springing up here for people to sell grid stabilization services, which involves buffering energy somehow.
So, the systems working, the grid is one of the most stable in Europe. Lets face it, you're just bitter because renewables are doing so well.
fact of the matter is that the German Energiewende is on its last legs.
Source?
Subsidies are being cut,
Of course they are, that's happening everywhere because the price of solar has plummeted. The way solar prices are falling they'll soon have a hard time stopping people from putting panels on their roofs regardless of subsidies.
projects are being scaled back
And Germany recently announced a new off-shore wind farm.
My propaganda! You seem to be the one who is against sources of energy that will lead to lower energy prices, less fuel imports, less deaths due to pollution. Renewables are also the solution to ocean acidification and global warming. So why are you so against them?
For the millionth time, 100% renewables if perfectly possible, for working links see: #49744883
WRONG.
I'm not going to retype this:
Some renewables are intermittent? Not a problem: Solutions to a 100% renewable and sustainable energy supply worldwide include but are not limited to hydro-electric and pumped hydro, geothermal, solar pv, wave-power, tidal lagoons and other tidal, onshore and off-shore wind in conjunction with better home insulation, heat pumps - ground source and air source, storage heaters, solar water heating, battery storage and charging electric cars whilst renewables output is high. Vehicles, ships and trains can be powered by electricity and hydrogen fuel cells, aircraft could run on liquid hydrogen.
$500 Billion A Year In Fossil Fuel Imports Could Be Saved In US, EU, & China In 100% Switch To Renewables | CleanTechnica
China Government Study Sees 86% Renewables by 2050
New Study: 95% Renewable Power-Mix Cheaper Than Nuclear And Gas | CleanTechnica
The world can be powered by alternative energy in 20-40 years, Stanford researcher says
German grid more stable in 2013 Ã" German Energy Transition
Ã- Powering the World With Wind, Water, and Sunlight: Mark Jacobson at TEDxPaloAltoHighSchool - YouTube
The storage necessity myth: how to choreograph high-renewables electricity systems - YouTube
Some renewables are intermittent? Not a problem: Solutions to a 100% renewable and sustainable energy supply worldwide include but are not limited to hydro-electric and pumped hydro, geothermal, solar pv, wave-power, tidal lagoons and other tidal, onshore and off-shore wind in conjunction with better home insulation, heat pumps - ground source and air source, storage heaters, solar water heating, battery storage and charging electric cars whilst renewables output is high. Vehicles, ships and trains can be powered by electricity and hydrogen fuel cells, aircraft could run on liquid hydrogen.
You should not place a wind plant at a place where you have less than 4000 hours per year maximum/rated yield. If you do that right you are automatically above 50% CF.
A perfect placed... usually off shore... wind turbine has a CF of 200% - 400%
Whilst above 50% is possible, I don't think there are many spots in the world where you would get that high. I don't think 200% is possible.
Note the chart you linked is 5 years out of date, 2010 vs 2015, it looks like prices have fallen back.
If you look at the prices on the page I linked you'll see that you can purchase electricity for about 10p per kwh now - very similar to ten years ago.
Onshore wind costs about 3-4p per kwh - the same as coal if you ignore the massive external costs of coal. Nuclear is being offered 9.25p per kwh and they are still not sure if they want to build. Offshore wind is now closer to nuclear, the latest wind farm in the north sea was commissioned by the Danes, price of 7.5p per kwh. Off-shore wind has barely begun to be implemented, the price will likely fall as more off-shore wind farms are placed and firms find efficiency gains.
There have been some subsidies for solar - but since it's subsidised that doesn't affect peoples electricity bills because the subsidies are completely seperate and come from general taxation.
Wind turbine prices are also falling but at a slower rate - wind turbines are a fairly mature tech, but they are still improving - taller turbines access winds that are higher and more consistent and energy is to the cube of wind speed so every little bit helps.
Same source and you know it, Fossil fuels cause air pollution, fossil fuels cause CO2.
"We dont have enough data on ocean PH. Historical data is regional and world wide data is very sparse."
Are you kidding, just reject science completely why not.
"direct observational evidence that ocean acidification is happening."
"ake pH measurements for example. Thanks to the analytical improvement in the 1990â(TM)s, we are able to measure seawater pH precisely to the 3rd - 4th decimal place"
Your question remains, so you ignored the fact that fossil fuels are killing millions and costing us trillions, you ignore 99.9% of scientists re global warming and ignore climate change, ocean acidification and sea level rises.
There's really not much point in talking to you is there, there's clearly no way you will accept reality, you just want to stick your head in the sand and pretend everything is ok.
Wow, you managed to get just about every fact wrong there.
UK, electricity price - not much change over the last decade - renewables are helping to the price down.
Modern wind turbines are at about 40-50% capacity factor. If a wind turbine is getting 6% capacity factor then someone made a mistake in placing that turbine.
"scamming well-meaning environmentalists into thinking these things are going to save the planet." Yeah, because the better option is to do nothing, allow temperature to rise up to 10deg C and let the oceans to be turned into a toxic soup - look up ocean acidification, CO2 + water = carbonic acid.
Wind turbines last a lot longer than 15 years, 25-40 is expected.
"uprating the transmission system on your monthly bill. " Again, UK no change here, some work may need to be done as we move electricity from Scotland to Europe, but the cost is relatively small, not particularly noticeable on the electricity bill.
Oh yes let's not think about the polluted lakes in China killing villages from metals poisoning a result of mining rare metals used in the wind turbine generators
Coal, gas, hydro and nuclear also require motors to generate electricity do they not? Fool. If China is ignoring it's own pollution laws then who's fault is that? And the rare earth you are referring to is neodymium - but some wind turbines are being built with motors that don't use neodymium - it's not a necessity.
I have to wonder if you were trolling, what are the odds of getting so many facts wrong?
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Very well put, you'd think super-AI is just around the corner the way the press goes on.
Doesn't matter because the total mileage is known.
Was it you who modded my post about EU, TTIP and the Commissoin as troll?
Really, so when will the US be paying back the $16.39 Trillion that it owes? What timescale?
When was the last time any OECD country paid off it's national debt?
What bollocks. We are evolved enough to avoid danger, we don't need to see people being killed.
Normal people don't want to watch people being killed, it sickens them.
Have you any idea how bad these treaties are? Nearly two million people so far have petitioned -against TTIP - a treaty that they tried to write in secret and they tried to exclude important stakeholders.
TTIP contains ACTA - a copyright treaty which was strongly rejected by the people of the EU. If the Commission were democratically chosen which they are most certainly not then they would not be pulling this crap.
The Commission is not in any way democratic any more than civil servants are democratically chosen, it is akin to calling a quango democratic.
It seems to me that the AI systems we create are all very application specific, like the IBM Watson - how many hours of work did it take just to get Watson to be able to play a simple game, it's not a generic AI system, it wasn't an AI that could enter any quiz.
Watson was good at Jeopardy not because it had a good AI, but because it's creators were highly intelligent and were able to code a computer to be good at Jeopardy because *they* not the computer were intelligent.
Is there a computer that exists that can do a normal IQ test like for example IQ Test
From what I've seen when AI's have been tested, the tests have been created, altered or cherry-picked so that the AI can complete the test, which of course is of dubious value. And of course IQ tests have a tendency to be very math and geometry based.
And journalists come up with headlines like "Artificial Intelligence System 'ConceptNet 4' Has IQ of 4-Year-Old", but it's not like human intelligence..
How does all this apply to real world situations? Well, the google car has been rear ended 7+ times, roughly ten times the norm, this raises questions as to why? Did the car fail to anticipate being rear-ended? Or did the car brake suddenly because it was not intelligent enough to determine that there was no risk of harm ahead? Did this come down to the cars inability to recognise an object in front of it, or did this come down to the car not being able to decide that it would be better to go over the object rather than being rear-ended.
Wanting to watch people die is perverse.
What is worse, watching a person being raped or watching a person being killed? Both wrong, both perverse.
Does anyone actually believe the Bank of England's top press guy 'accidentally' emailed this to the Guardian, the paper most likely to run with it. Why even pretend?
ACTA, TTIP, CETA and TISA These are the reasons why we should leave the EU, the Commission keeps throwing extremely bad treaties at us because they can because they are unelected.
We should not have an unelected body writing our laws.
And the EU appears to be trying to build up an army at the same time as needlessly antagonising Russia. Read 1984. Again.
ACTA was thankfully rejected with huge opposition by EU citizens but now they are throwing the same crap at us within TTIP, CETA and TISA.
We don't need EU to be able to trade, we don't need the EU in order to keep the Human Rights treaty.
When it comes to debate, all of the reasons given for UK staying in the EU are typical sound bites, vagaries and bad analogies.
Some reasons against staying in the EU are:
The Commission is undemocratic, unaccountable and unelected.
The Commission keeps writing bad treaties that are severely to the detriment of EU citizens and only to the benefit of global corporations, treaties like ACTA, TTIP, CETA and TISA.
The EU wants it's own army and is clearly working towards getting one.
At the same time the EU and US leaders have been antagonising Russia.
It's like the Commission, EU president et al have read 1984 and are using it as a handbook on how to run the EU.
You have a first past the post system which means like us in the UK you're kind of screwed, you can vote for Clinton or you can vote GOP which from past experience means someone who is likely a climate denier and a war-monger. Or you can vote 3rd party but then your vote doesn't count and if you're in a state that always stays with the same party then again, your vote doesn't count.
So, the systems working, the grid is one of the most stable in Europe. Lets face it, you're just bitter because renewables are doing so well.
Source?
Of course they are, that's happening everywhere because the price of solar has plummeted.
The way solar prices are falling they'll soon have a hard time stopping people from putting panels on their roofs regardless of subsidies.
And Germany recently announced a new off-shore wind farm.
My propaganda! You seem to be the one who is against sources of energy that will lead to lower energy prices, less fuel imports, less deaths due to pollution. Renewables are also the solution to ocean acidification and global warming. So why are you so against them?
For the millionth time, 100% renewables if perfectly possible, for working links see:
#49744883
WRONG.
I'm not going to retype this:
Some renewables are intermittent? Not a problem: Solutions to a 100% renewable and sustainable energy supply worldwide include but are not limited to hydro-electric and pumped hydro, geothermal, solar pv, wave-power, tidal lagoons and other tidal, onshore and off-shore wind in conjunction with better home insulation, heat pumps - ground source and air source, storage heaters, solar water heating, battery storage and charging electric cars whilst renewables output is high. Vehicles, ships and trains can be powered by electricity and hydrogen fuel cells, aircraft could run on liquid hydrogen.
$500 Billion A Year In Fossil Fuel Imports Could Be Saved In US, EU, & China In 100% Switch To Renewables | CleanTechnica
China Government Study Sees 86% Renewables by 2050
New Study: 95% Renewable Power-Mix Cheaper Than Nuclear And Gas | CleanTechnica
The world can be powered by alternative energy in 20-40 years, Stanford researcher says
German grid more stable in 2013 Ã" German Energy Transition
Ã- Powering the World With Wind, Water, and Sunlight: Mark Jacobson at TEDxPaloAltoHighSchool - YouTube
The storage necessity myth: how to choreograph high-renewables electricity systems - YouTube
Eh? Was that post intended for someone else?
+1
WRONG.
I'm not going to retype this:
Some renewables are intermittent? Not a problem: Solutions to a 100% renewable and sustainable energy supply worldwide include but are not limited to hydro-electric and pumped hydro, geothermal, solar pv, wave-power, tidal lagoons and other tidal, onshore and off-shore wind in conjunction with better home insulation, heat pumps - ground source and air source, storage heaters, solar water heating, battery storage and charging electric cars whilst renewables output is high. Vehicles, ships and trains can be powered by electricity and hydrogen fuel cells, aircraft could run on liquid hydrogen.
$500 Billion A Year In Fossil Fuel Imports Could Be Saved In US, EU, & China In 100% Switch To Renewables | CleanTechnica
China Government Study Sees 86% Renewables by 2050
New Study: 95% Renewable Power-Mix Cheaper Than Nuclear And Gas | CleanTechnica
The world can be powered by alternative energy in 20-40 years, Stanford researcher says
German grid more stable in 2013 â" German Energy Transition
â- Powering the World With Wind, Water, and Sunlight: Mark Jacobson at TEDxPaloAltoHighSchool - YouTube
The storage necessity myth: how to choreograph high-renewables electricity systems - YouTube
Whilst above 50% is possible, I don't think there are many spots in the world where you would get that high. I don't think 200% is possible.
http://www.ukpower.co.uk/home_...
Note the chart you linked is 5 years out of date, 2010 vs 2015, it looks like prices have fallen back.
If you look at the prices on the page I linked you'll see that you can purchase electricity for about 10p per kwh now - very similar to ten years ago.
Onshore wind costs about 3-4p per kwh - the same as coal if you ignore the massive external costs of coal. Nuclear is being offered 9.25p per kwh and they are still not sure if they want to build. Offshore wind is now closer to nuclear, the latest wind farm in the north sea was commissioned by the Danes, price of 7.5p per kwh. Off-shore wind has barely begun to be implemented, the price will likely fall as more off-shore wind farms are placed and firms find efficiency gains.
There have been some subsidies for solar - but since it's subsidised that doesn't affect peoples electricity bills because the subsidies are completely seperate and come from general taxation.
$500 Billion A Year In Fossil Fuel Imports Could Be Saved In US, EU, & China In 100% Switch To Renewables | CleanTechnica
Also, with renewables the costs are constantly dropping, so past prices are not very relevant:
Price history of silicon PV cells since 1977 - Cost of electricity by source
Wind turbine prices are also falling but at a slower rate - wind turbines are a fairly mature tech, but they are still improving - taller turbines access winds that are higher and more consistent and energy is to the cube of wind speed so every little bit helps.
Same source and you know it, Fossil fuels cause air pollution, fossil fuels cause CO2.
Are you kidding, just reject science completely why not.
Charismatic Microfauna: How do we measure ocean acidification?
Your question remains, so you ignored the fact that fossil fuels are killing millions and costing us trillions, you ignore 99.9% of scientists re global warming and ignore climate change, ocean acidification and sea level rises.
There's really not much point in talking to you is there, there's clearly no way you will accept reality, you just want to stick your head in the sand and pretend everything is ok.
Want to save 70 million birds a year? Build more wind farms : Renew Economy
Acid Test: Rising CO2 Levels Killing Ocean Life | Conservation Climate
The Last Time Oceans Got This Acidic This Fast, 96% of Marine Life Went Extinct | Motherboard
WHO | 7 million premature deaths annually linked to air pollution
Air pollution costs Europe $1.6tn a year in early deaths and disease, say WHO | Environment | The Guardian
Abrupt Climate Change: Past, Present, and Future - YouTube
Worst Case Climate Change (2008 TED Talk) - YouTube
Too right, we should also make sure there are no lamp posts, telegraph poles or trees because someday they may be thrown about by a tornado.
Wow, you managed to get just about every fact wrong there.
UK, electricity price - not much change over the last decade - renewables are helping to the price down.
Modern wind turbines are at about 40-50% capacity factor. If a wind turbine is getting 6% capacity factor then someone made a mistake in placing that turbine.
"scamming well-meaning environmentalists into thinking these things are going to save the planet." Yeah, because the better option is to do nothing, allow temperature to rise up to 10deg C and let the oceans to be turned into a toxic soup - look up ocean acidification, CO2 + water = carbonic acid.
Wind turbines last a lot longer than 15 years, 25-40 is expected.
"uprating the transmission system on your monthly bill. " Again, UK no change here, some work may need to be done as we move electricity from Scotland to Europe, but the cost is relatively small, not particularly noticeable on the electricity bill.
Coal, gas, hydro and nuclear also require motors to generate electricity do they not? Fool. If China is ignoring it's own pollution laws then who's fault is that? And the rare earth you are referring to is neodymium - but some wind turbines are being built with motors that don't use neodymium - it's not a necessity.
I have to wonder if you were trolling, what are the odds of getting so many facts wrong?