Uhmm....I use a 5 button mouse with my Mac. How's that for single button mice?
I don't think most OS X users will notice the BSD core except for increased stability & shit like that. Apple will do a fine job of hiding the complex stuff from people who don't want to see it... which in itself is a good thing, as long as it doesn't restrict more advanced users' access to it.
Bashing Open-Source was stupid of him, but getting grossly offensive and posting as AC is no way to proceed with logical debates.
Ehm..ehm...maybe because both Gnome and KDE are fucking ugly and uncouth, even when compared to Windoze?
Maybe because the hardware rocks, the OS is comfortable, as in contrast with Linux(PPC)?
Maybe because everyone uses Windows?
Maybe because I like Apple, for they have always been at the spearhead of innovation and originality in the computer industry, whatever anti-UI, command-line dinosaurs like yourself may think, with your mainstream hardware, using fscking Windoze when nobody's looking, like I suspect most of Slashdot is doing.
Maybe because there are plenty of people like you, and that I enjoy pissing them off.
That movie, the Pirates of Silicon Valley, is a fscking disaster. Overacted and with bad dialogue. Also, it twists the facts around like hell...f.e. Steve Jobs never ignored any daughter or mistreated any former spouse, although Apple's first computer Lisa was named after his daughter.
And there is a huge gap in the story in the film. It claims that MS gave DOS to IBM, when they first gave them OS/2, and then released DOS in competition.
And, hell, even Steve Jobs isn't as evil as that. The guy went to India in search of spiritual enlightenment....anyone with a such a chilled perspective of things can't be all bad.
Are you sure? I know that the MacOS will only run on machines that have some sort of ROM imbedded in the motherboard. This is a trick that Apple use to maintain control of their OS...that is, it can only run on their machines or on the clones.
I know that chip manufacturers with processor upgrades for the iMac had to use old processor cards because they could not manufacture the ROM in the daughtercard and were turned down in their petition to Apple.
You're right. Of course, the OS slows down a lot of apps and it's very annoying when you have state-of-the-art CPU's. But that had better change when OS X comes.
Eh? What would Apple then be using? x86? I don't think so. Apple is a hardware company, not a software company that sells its OS, like Microsoft. If they'd port MacOS to x86 they'd die SO fast.
Ehm..that's bullshit. The MacOS platform is growing steadily, and has gained quite a lot of market share in the last two years compared to Apple's bad period under that Gill guy. More and more companies are porting their software to the Mac, amongst them Id Software with Quake 2, and Unreal Tournament etc.
As for Adobe ditching the Mac, that's complete nonsense. Macs are widely used by creative professionals and thus Adobe makes a lot of money from their MacOS Photoshop, which is not ported but developed natively....and Office is still going strong on the Mac, not that I use it.
Hm....that's not correct. In order to run MacOS, a PowerPC compatible computer must have an Apple ROM in the motherboard, built only to closed specs owned by Apple...therefore nobody can compete with Apple when it comes to hardware for MacOS. Now, Linux on the other hand....
I hate socialism. I hate communism. That shit is for losers who are so untalented and lazy that they are unable to get ahead in life and want to set up a system where people aren't judged by their merit.
Only in America would having a vision be equal to socialism. I think you must have based your assumption on the fact that I detest ultra-capitalist monopolies...but that's just cause I'm a consumer...and consumers don't like monopolies, do they?....(I sure fucking hope not).
Anyway, I believe that nerddom is not merely acquiring knowledge of information technology, but also a certain resentment and intolerance of "the system". Although I like quite a lot of "the system", at least as we have it back home in Iceland, where I live, I can see quite a bit of things that I'd want remedied in America.
I know this is getting long-winded, so I'm bailing.
Ciao
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Hmm...I don't consider myself a zealot or an especial fanatic when it comes to Macs. However, I get very pissed off when I see all these people posting insulting remarks about the users of Apple hardware, based on stupid assumptions.
As to Windows, if you don't agree with my statements above then you are clearly a bad judge of operating systems, and your knowledge of hardware is clearly inadequate.
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True nerds have a greater goal in life than the acquisition of wealth...or so I like to think.
When it comes to Windows you have
1)crummy tech 2)shitty user interface 3)a shitload of apps that crash on an extremely bad OS 4)ultra-capitalist, stinking monopolist whoredom
Using Windows merely underlines your lack of individuality, ignorance and mainstream-oriented thought process. No self-respecting nerd should use Windows.
I run Linux on my <i>overclocked</i> G4 and use it among other things to write code in Perl and C. Now, tell me how this is lacking in nerddom?
For me, Windows has always been the ultimate piece of dung when it comes to computers.
As for sticking with a dying x86 processor, faulty ethernet cards and corrupted power supplies..., I buy good, expensive Apple hardware and am pleased with it.
As to the MacOS, which is an outdated OS, hopefully Apple will do some sensible things with the new MacOS X. Still....if you don't mind not playing games I think you'll find that MacOS does not suffer from lack of applications.
As to your suggestion that DOS is better....I don't think it even deserves a reply. I suspect you're one of those people who think they're computer nerds when all they know is how to configure BAT files....or whatever.
I do this all the time. I'm sure johnsmith@hotmail.com must be getting a LOT of junk mail by now...=)
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No self-respecting nerd should use Windows....fool!
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I might point out that MacOS X is MacOS number 10, as in coming after 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9, and that X is the Roman numeral for 10. Now, I realize that it may be hard for some people to understand, but I think the majority of people who use Macs, or are about to use Macs, have absolutely no idea what the X Windows System is and really don't care.
Besides, I think X-Windows is so clumsy that any association with it would be negative and certainly not intentional.....and of course it contains the "no-no!" word "Windows" (shudder).. I feel the people behing the X-Windows project might have been more tasteful.
And no, this is not a flamebait or a troll...just my 2.
I might point out that I am not American. I live in Reykjavik, Iceland, and do not have a drop of American blood. However, our good way of life today is mostly thanks to Yanks. I hated Americans for a long time, before I grew to realise this. I hated all the fat, ugly people, the hypocrisy, the sick morality und alles, but I realise that we Europeans owe America a lot....hell, they saved us from the greatest menace of all...Communism.
I did not say that Americans invented the computer. However, it is pretty obvious that American companies made the personal computer a reality for middle-class homes, not just for the super-rich. Same goes for Linux. If it hadn't been embraced so vehemently by Americans, I doubt if Linux would have caught on, not to mention the Linux-promoting agendas of companies like RedHat (though I prefer SuSE myself).
Please don't misinterpret what I have to say so grossly, but thanks for the reply.
I heartily agree. I am willing to accept all the great things that America has done for me....computers, the Internet, Linux,..and hell, even Macs! =)
But it is very annoying to hear everyone at Slashdot working by basis on the assumption that US Law is the all-dominant factor....that it is the only, true "RIGHT" way and that all countries should, by definition, accept its sovereignity. In a way, the American morality is very sick. Kudos to jlcooke.
Paladeen
PS: I think it demonstrates the liberality, multi-culturalism, worldliness and acceptance of criticsm of Slashdot that jlcooke's post was moderated up to four. I think self-criticism is one of the most commendable asset of the American Way.
The US keeps bitching that "we Europeans" can't take care of ourselves, and need their "constant protection". Europe is getting an army and is propably going to pool their arsenal of nukes. The Eurofighter, by the way, is superior to current US jet fighters when it comes to maneuverability and speed. All European states have had relatively efficient and professional intelligence services since World War 2.
Europe isn't backwards. It's just different. Many Americans fail to realise that by the rest of the world's standards they are fat, lazy and with an economy that is grossly unjust and encourages an inequal distribution of wealth....not to mention America's opressive way of forcing its culture on everyone else.
I know I'm gonna get flamed, spammed, murdered, butchered...you mention it...but this is the way it is....so sorry.
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Uhmm....I use a 5 button mouse with my Mac. How's that for single button mice?
I don't think most OS X users will notice the BSD core except for increased stability & shit like that. Apple will do a fine job of hiding the complex stuff from people who don't want to see it... which in itself is a good thing, as long as it doesn't restrict more advanced users' access to it.
Bashing Open-Source was stupid of him, but getting grossly offensive and posting as AC is no way to proceed with logical debates.
'Why would you use an Apple product?'
Ehm..ehm...maybe because both Gnome and KDE are fucking ugly and uncouth, even when compared to Windoze?
Maybe because the hardware rocks, the OS is comfortable, as in contrast with Linux(PPC)?
Maybe because everyone uses Windows?
Maybe because I like Apple, for they have always been at the spearhead of innovation and originality in the computer industry, whatever anti-UI, command-line dinosaurs like yourself may think, with your mainstream hardware, using fscking Windoze when nobody's looking, like I suspect most of Slashdot is doing.
Maybe because there are plenty of people like you, and that I enjoy pissing them off.
Maybe because I like translucent plastics?
(OK, I didn't really mean that last one....)
That movie, the Pirates of Silicon Valley, is a fscking disaster. Overacted and with bad dialogue. Also, it twists the facts around like hell...f.e. Steve Jobs never ignored any daughter or mistreated any former spouse, although Apple's first computer Lisa was named after his daughter.
And there is a huge gap in the story in the film. It claims that MS gave DOS to IBM, when they first gave them OS/2, and then released DOS in competition.
And, hell, even Steve Jobs isn't as evil as that. The guy went to India in search of spiritual enlightenment....anyone with a such a chilled perspective of things can't be all bad.
Gawd damn! NOT AGAIN! Pleez tell me I don't have to wait ANOTHER six months for a proper OS!
Are you sure? I know that the MacOS will only run on machines that have some sort of ROM imbedded in the motherboard. This is a trick that Apple use to maintain control of their OS...that is, it can only run on their machines or on the clones.
I know that chip manufacturers with processor upgrades for the iMac had to use old processor cards because they could not manufacture the ROM in the daughtercard and were turned down in their petition to Apple.
The $2500 dollars are not just the processor but all the other shit too, the Zip drive, modem, a lot of RAM and stuff.
Anyway, I think you're right. The MP G4s are going to be fucking expensive.
You're right. Of course, the OS slows down a lot of apps and it's very annoying when you have state-of-the-art CPU's. But that had better change when OS X comes.
Eh? What would Apple then be using? x86? I don't think so. Apple is a hardware company, not a software company that sells its OS, like Microsoft. If they'd port MacOS to x86 they'd die SO fast.
Ehm..that's bullshit. The MacOS platform is growing steadily, and has gained quite a lot of market share in the last two years compared to Apple's bad period under that Gill guy. More and more companies are porting their software to the Mac, amongst them Id Software with Quake 2, and Unreal Tournament etc.
As for Adobe ditching the Mac, that's complete nonsense. Macs are widely used by creative professionals and thus Adobe makes a lot of money from their MacOS Photoshop, which is not ported but developed natively....and Office is still going strong on the Mac, not that I use it.
Who the hell wants Win2k anyway. It sucks.
Well...apparently a lot of peopl...about 10% of the home computing market.
Anyway, the software selection isn't that small....'cept for games.
Hm....that's not correct. In order to run MacOS, a PowerPC compatible computer must have an Apple ROM in the motherboard, built only to closed specs owned by Apple...therefore nobody can compete with Apple when it comes to hardware for MacOS. Now, Linux on the other hand....
I hate socialism. I hate communism. That shit is for losers who are so untalented and lazy that they are unable to get ahead in life and want to set up a system where people aren't judged by their merit.
Only in America would having a vision be equal to socialism. I think you must have based your assumption on the fact that I detest ultra-capitalist monopolies...but that's just cause I'm a consumer...and consumers don't like monopolies, do they?....(I sure fucking hope not).
Anyway, I believe that nerddom is not merely acquiring knowledge of information technology, but also a certain resentment and intolerance of "the system". Although I like quite a lot of "the system", at least as we have it back home in Iceland, where I live, I can see quite a bit of things that I'd want remedied in America.
I know this is getting long-winded, so I'm bailing.
Ciao
Hmm...I don't consider myself a zealot or an especial fanatic when it comes to Macs. However, I get very pissed off when I see all these people posting insulting remarks about the users of Apple hardware, based on stupid assumptions.
As to Windows, if you don't agree with my statements above then you are clearly a bad judge of operating systems, and your knowledge of hardware is clearly inadequate.
True nerds have a greater goal in life than the acquisition of wealth...or so I like to think.
When it comes to Windows you have
1)crummy tech
2)shitty user interface
3)a shitload of apps that crash on an extremely bad OS
4)ultra-capitalist, stinking monopolist whoredom
Using Windows merely underlines your lack of individuality, ignorance and mainstream-oriented thought process. No self-respecting nerd should use Windows.
I run Linux on my <i>overclocked</i> G4 and use it among other things to write code in Perl and C. Now, tell me how this is lacking in nerddom?
For me, Windows has always been the ultimate piece of dung when it comes to computers.
As for sticking with a dying x86 processor, faulty ethernet cards and corrupted power supplies..., I buy good, expensive Apple hardware and am pleased with it.
As to the MacOS, which is an outdated OS, hopefully Apple will do some sensible things with the new MacOS X. Still....if you don't mind not playing games I think you'll find that MacOS does not suffer from lack of applications.
As to your suggestion that DOS is better....I don't think it even deserves a reply. I suspect you're one of those people who think they're computer nerds when all they know is how to configure BAT files....or whatever.
Oh, yes!
I do this all the time. I'm sure johnsmith@hotmail.com must be getting a LOT of junk mail by now...=)
No self-respecting nerd should use Windows....fool!
I might point out that MacOS X is MacOS number 10, as in coming after 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9, and that X is the Roman numeral for 10. Now, I realize that it may be hard for some people to understand, but I think the majority of people who use Macs, or are about to use Macs, have absolutely no idea what the X Windows System is and really don't care.
Besides, I think X-Windows is so clumsy that any association with it would be negative and certainly not intentional.....and of course it contains the "no-no!" word "Windows" (shudder).. I feel the people behing the X-Windows project might have been more tasteful.
And no, this is not a flamebait or a troll...just my 2.
You should be ashamed of yourself for using that manure.
I might point out that I am not American. I live in Reykjavik, Iceland, and do not have a drop of American blood. However, our good way of life today is mostly thanks to Yanks. I hated Americans for a long time, before I grew to realise this. I hated all the fat, ugly people, the hypocrisy, the sick morality und alles, but I realise that we Europeans owe America a lot....hell, they saved us from the greatest menace of all...Communism.
I did not say that Americans invented the computer. However, it is pretty obvious that American companies made the personal computer a reality for middle-class homes, not just for the super-rich. Same goes for Linux. If it hadn't been embraced so vehemently by Americans, I doubt if Linux would have caught on, not to mention the Linux-promoting agendas of companies like RedHat (though I prefer SuSE myself).
Please don't misinterpret what I have to say so grossly, but thanks for the reply.
Perl is the best. The more popular PHP server side includes are for sissies. I like to get my hands dirty with real code.
I heartily agree. I am willing to accept all the great things that America has done for me....computers, the Internet, Linux,..and hell, even Macs! =)
But it is very annoying to hear everyone at Slashdot working by basis on the assumption that US Law is the all-dominant factor....that it is the only, true "RIGHT" way and that all countries should, by definition, accept its sovereignity. In a way, the American morality is very sick. Kudos to jlcooke.
Paladeen
PS: I think it demonstrates the liberality, multi-culturalism, worldliness and acceptance of criticsm of Slashdot that jlcooke's post was moderated up to four. I think self-criticism is one of the most commendable asset of the American Way.
Jon Katz is a guy we love to hate.
And all of this is a good thing.
The US keeps bitching that "we Europeans" can't take care of ourselves, and need their "constant protection". Europe is getting an army and is propably going to pool their arsenal of nukes. The Eurofighter, by the way, is superior to current US jet fighters when it comes to maneuverability and speed. All European states have had relatively efficient and professional intelligence services since World War 2.
Europe isn't backwards. It's just different. Many Americans fail to realise that by the rest of the world's standards they are fat, lazy and with an economy that is grossly unjust and encourages an inequal distribution of wealth....not to mention America's opressive way of forcing its culture on everyone else.
I know I'm gonna get flamed, spammed, murdered, butchered...you mention it...but this is the way it is....so sorry.
My W2K computer?
Sorry, you got the wrong guy here. I'm sensible, so I use an Apple running LinuxPPC.