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Microsoft Funded by NSA, Helps Spy on Win Users?
OpperNerd writes "A French intelligence report has accused U.S. secret agents of working with computer giant Microsoft to develop software allowing Washington to spy on communications around the world. According to the report, 'It would seem that the creation of Microsoft was largely supported, not least financially, by the NSA, and that IBM was made to accept the (Microsoft) MS-DOS operating system by the same administration.'" I personally don't believe this is true, but it's an interesting enough rumor to post for discussion. (SFX: Black helicopters whirring overhead.)
Why does this seem familiar ?
Because it was stated in a X-files episode long time ago. I saw it by chance (I'm not a X-files fan) about 2 years ago.
That much for the french intelligence, I guess
There will be some fun times in alt.conspiracy.microsoft for the next few days over this one.
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remember that second backup crypto key called NSA? ahah.. Software vendors should be held responsable when some programming mistakes are exploited to compromise systems! There is no difference at all between a backdoor to let intruder connect and copying data from a client process to a buffer without boundcheck, you get the the same result! You will go to jail for incorporating nasty backdoor but you'll get away by making it look like a mistake even if it compromises completely the security mechanisms in place. gaius@hert.org
http://www.thewholetruth.com
have a read.
www.trufax.org too
Remember, humans ARE EVIL!!! and given power and opertunity will FUCK you-all to death, coz everyone knows that there ar ea lot of morons out there. Why does the NSA hire all the best math dudes? Why are no NSA employees spilling the beans? Coz they love their high pay rates and dont want their parents killed.
-- alangrimes@starpower.net DOS simply isn't capable of doing any spying whatsoever. Windows 3.11 has more back-doors than a highschool but I don't think its a conspiracy. Windows 95+, where everybody has to use the same dialer and network 'stack' VERY suspicious... I use windows 3.11
Imagine your first day on the job at No Such Agency.... Your first assignment is to go to Redmond, WA. to work with the MS development teams.... :->
I can believe that there can be something like that in Windows but I doubt that it was possible to hide just anything in DOS. DOS is too small and too simple. Also it was reverse engineered sooooo many times. BTW, does anybody know if there are any pieces of DOS code which purpose is unknown or unclear?
Never attribute to malice what can be accounted for by stupidity.
It would be nice to believe that the buggy security was deliberate, but I just don't.
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#include <disclaimer.h>
Sounds to me like Inspector Clouseau is heading up the French Defence Ministry these days.
Hmmm... the NSA key in WinNT sure springs to mind. And there was that unfortunate "bug" in the first release of Win98, which sent a lot of info to Microsoft, about user activities. Scary.
We'll just have to use Linux and PGP when we plan assassinations and cyber terrorism.
Ost99
The above text is written in Word97.... [Sound of black helicopters]
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Well, isn't it? With some sectors, there's only a handful of BIG companies controlling most that high-tech sector. For example with cellphone manufacturers there's Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola.
If I were a Spook Agency[tm] and wanted to employ means to control the masses, I'd pump money into selected companies who are in my leech and do not object to my agenda. And so they could innovate new and snazzy products with nice little features, such as for example cars with GPS positioning capabilities. (To prevent theft? To know where you are!)
Anyway, whose purpose does it serve to have huge giants like AOL/Time Warner?
65,000 backdoors and a security fix update every 90 days.
Yeah....and then Marilyn Monroe was murdered by J Edgar Hoover, the Martians really are watching us, the NSA can tap any phone in the world and the government is an evil oppressive force that keeps extensive records on the number of times you visit the bathroom..
What a load of BS....
Let's face it....it was Gates who made MS, for better or worse.
Someone needs to tell the french that Frogger was just a game, not a spying tool against their country.
This sounds like the story from the Gulf War... that laser printers sold to Iraq during the 1980s had homing devices in them that were used to guide smart bombs and cruise missles into their targets during the war.
Ahhha Funny! =)~
Yes, the theory sounds a bit like something from X-files, and the french are known to, well not exactly like the US,
BUT
When people were speculating about ECHOLON a few years back, many also said it was nothing but conspiracy theories (and the first time its existance was officially admitted, was due to a question in the european parliament).
Secondly, it is generally assumed (or known) that the CIA shifted considerable effort into spying out foreign companies, and passing secret business information on to american companies, when the Cold War faded. That even lead to several american diplomats being "asked to leave" Germany (and yes the French do the same, ask Siemens about the ICE/TGV competition...)
Hence I think it would be wrong to immediately dismiss any thought of cooperation between Microsoft and some US Goverment agency.
I admit I don't believe that IBM was forced to accept MS-DOS as part of some master plan by the NSA to spy on the world, but rather that once MS was becoming so succesful, some agency recognized the potential...
And even if there are no backdoors etc, getting detailed inside knowledge about the protocols, formats, api's etc directly from the source would be a great help to NSA, CIA, etc.
After all, spying really IS the business of those organizations, and thinking they are only interested in other spies and terrorists would be quite naive...
Just my $0.02
Frank
And we are heading to a 1 world government because the UN storm troops are going to overthrow the federal government and our world will be run by the socialist bankers who will implement the antichrist's 1 world-1 currency system. Yawn. Apparently someone has too much time on their hands if they make allegations like that. I doubt Microsoft would build NSA surveillance software into Windows. If it was proven that they did they would be either driven out of business by lawsuits or they would be so disgraced not even their best marketting people could get their good name back in the eyes of the public.
Check the "Breaking News" section on your right and you'll see this publication is not exactly up there amongst CNNs and the like, but I enjoyed the 'news' anyway for some reason :)
Okay. The bad news is, Microsoft software users are being spied on. But everybody fails to see the practical benefits of this. So here are the Top Five good things about Microsoft and the NSA teaming together:
* All the software will already know your personal habits and information, therefore freeing you from the hassle of having to perform configuration.
* In time, all NSA programming staff will develop chronic psychosis (sp?) from prolonged exposure to the Windows sources.
* They can investigate user habits to find out what kind of graphical user interface is best suited to desktop users. And if even without this information they were able to create such great things as MS Bob (tm) and the Office Assistant, I can't help but wonder what great stuff may come next!
* Windows Millenium will come with earmuffs, to keep the constant noise from the black helicopters from blowing up your inner ear.
And last but not least, the Best Thing about Microsoft and the NSA teaming together:
* If the Shadow Government computers that run Echelon are Windows boxes, then you have nothing to worry about - by the time they recover from the BSOD, you'll already have hung up the phone!
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(Why only five, you ask? Well, I'm not _that_ creative. It's an open list ("open source", much like Al Gore's campaign site), so feel free to add to it.)
To the editors: your English is as bad as your Perl. Please go back to grade school.
The non-existent security of MS-DOS caused an utter lack of security to proliferate around the world.
Whether black helicopters were involved or not is a whole other question...
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
But everyone knows that they don't make any sound! Didn't Mel Gibson teach you anything?
Where's my Catching in the Rye...
on the day IBM were shopping for an OS.
Additionally:-
it would seem that the creation of Microsoft was largely supported, not least financially, by the NSA.
Did the NSA really have a clue at this point in time, I thought the development of Microsoft was the acceptance of Basic in boxes like the Altair and the C64, which I would doubt the NSA would have had much interest in at the time, unless they wanted to check you were taking proper care of your Sims^H^H^H^HLittle Computer People...
How did this world get so messed up? Maybe Bill Gates REALLY is The AntiChrist :)
Ok, so assuming this is true, and in light of Echelon and all of the other strange stuff the NSA/CIA/FBI/ATF gets accused of, what is the better method of doing things? How should these organizations be operating in a free society in which computers and networking are an every day part of life? Or better yet: How should these organizations run to prevent Fascism 2.0 from taking over the world?
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton
I don't think for a second that the authors are suggesting that DOS contained hidden security back doors. Look at the paragraph where DOS is mentioned.
it would seem that the creation of Microsoft was largely supported, not least financially, by the NSA, and that IBM was made to accept the (Microsoft) MS-DOS operating system by the same administration.
I infer from this that the creation of a dominant controlling software company overseeing PC operating sytems was the aim,and to further this scheme IBM was persuaded to use MS operating sytems on their incumbent PC platform. In this way a spook controlled company would be delivering the OS that was in use on the majority of the worlds desktop computers. Even if that operating system contained nothing shady on initial delivery, maybe enough foresight allowed them to realise that in later years it would be easy enough to slip in features like the famous NSA key as these devices became more powerful and networked.
Establish an initial base camp in the foothills , so to speak and there's no real harm done if nothing comes of it.
Still it all seems a bit far fetched to me. Now, if they'd suggested extraterrestrial involvement or drug money on the other hand . . . :o)
-- Oh Well
Windows can't be a spy tool, its inherently secure, due to its igenious MSMD, More Security through More Downtime.
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When I said "assuming this is true" I was referring to the article, NOT to my previous statement about Bill Gates being The AntiChrist. Clearly Marilyn Manson has him beat on that position :)
www.marilynmanson.net
antichrist or not, the guy is definitly an interesting artist.
It's not like they are going to use it on people who are doing things like MP3s. They don't want to risk it coming out that they did something like that. They would only use it if they thought something was going on that would threaten national security, like terrorists in the US using PCs as communication.
Today is the closing of a parenthesis opened before this sig, before this story, before this existence that is me (as if
First, they woudn't allow encryption. Afraid of thier own people. Then they accuse the US for pushing key escrow for spying purposes. Then they accuse US/UK of using intercepted comms for industrial advantage. Now THIS! haha :)
Next they will mandate everyone use Linux and openSSL on all computers. WooHoo!
The page is blocked by the Chinese government.
(Yes, it actually is. I had to use a proxy in the States.)
Whacked-out theories, anyone?
They should have at least accused the proper agency. The CIA is the agency that has a world-wide reach. NSA is concerned with internal matters ONLY.
Michael C. Hollinger
You sound Russian to me. Oh well.
It would be more likely that Microsoft would spy on OS/2 and Linux users.
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CoreBuilder 3500 (rev 0.0) - System ID 454f8f
Dual power supply
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10.10.1.48 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-9a-4c-05
10.10.1.49 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-6d-7a
10.10.1.50 dynamic 1 00-50-04-a7-2f-b8
10.60.0.2 dynamic 3 00-80-3e-45-f7-a7
10.10.1.52 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-83-34
10.10.1.55 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-6c-54
10.10.1.57 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-e3-6f
10.10.1.58 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-99-25-ca
10.70.0.2 dynamic 4 00-80-3e-6b-50-e4
10.10.1.63 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-c2-6b
10.10.1.64 dynamic 1 00-50-04
The NSA is in charge of all the spy satellites overhead, which are not just pointed down at the United States.
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10.10.1.73 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-fd-b8
10.10.1.78 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-03-fc
10.10.2.78 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-6c-8b
10.10.1.79 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-98-ea-66
10.10.1.88 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-bd-7f
10.10.2.94 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-c2-5c
10.10.1.95 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-6c-76
10.10.1.100 dynamic 1 00-90-27-73-5c-8f
10.10.2.100 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-bf-2e
10.10.1.110 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-99-28-1b
10.10.1.114 dynamic 1 00-50-04-7b-69-30
10.10.1.116 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-63-e4
10.10.1.119 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-66-c0
10.10.1.120 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-99-28-ee
10.10.1.122 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-c1-29
10.10.1.128 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-6c-71
10.10.1.137 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-bd-9c
10.10.1.141 dynamic 1 00-20-af-d5-5d-7b
10.10.1.203 dynamic 1 00-a0-24-74-f9-47
10.10.1.209 dynamic 1 00-c0-4f-81-4f-35
10.10.1.210 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-83-60
10.10.1.211 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-fd-60
10.10.1.226 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-83-e4
10.10.2.230 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-c2-5b
10.10.2.231 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-be-06
10.10.1.233 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-9a-6d-0d
10.10.2.233 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-6d-ac
10.10.3.233 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-6c-72
10.10.1.236 dynamic 1 00-c0-4f-81-39-97
10.10.2.237 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-be-61
10.10.2.239 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-c2-63
10.10.2.240 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-63-b4
10.10.4.241 dynamic 1 00-10-5a-01-6c-58
10.10.2.244 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-bd-8b
10.10.3.244 dynamic 1 00-05-02-d6-2f-5d
10.10.3.247 dynamic 1 00-50-04-9e-be-02
10.10.4.252 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-fd-c4
10.10.4.253 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-fd-58
10.10.4.254 dynamic 1 00-80-5f-ea-fd-e0
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Screen: ip/dns/display
No Domain Name is defined
No Name Server IP addresses are defined
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Screen: ip/udpHelper/display
BOOTP relay hop count limit is 4, BOOTP relay threshold is 10.
UDP port Forwarding address
67 10.10.255.255
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Screen: ip/ping/display
count = 3 (Number of ICMP request packets to be sent)
wait = 1 (Number of seconds to wait between each packet)
packetSize = 64 (Number of bytes to be sent in each packet)
quiet = disabled (Display output in Verbose mode)
burst = disabled
source addr = N/A (Router will pick the best interface)
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Screen: ip/traceRoute/display
Current traceroute options values:
ttl = 30 (Maximum number of hops used in outpoing probes)
port = 33434 (Base UDP port number used in probes)
probe = 3 (Number of probes to be sent at each ttl level)
wait = 3 (Time--in seconds--to wait for a response)
packetSize = 28 (Number of bytes to be sent in each UDP packet)
numeric = disabled (Addresses are displayed symbolically and numerically)
source addr = N/A (Router will pick the best interface)
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Screen: snmp/display
Read-only community is public
Read-write community is private
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Screen: snmp/trap/display
No trap destination info configured
Menu options: -------------------------------------------------
summary - Show all summary screens
detail - Show all detailed screens
save - Save all detailed screens to a file
Type "q" to return to the previous menu or ? for help.
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Select menu option (system/snapshot): detail
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Screen system/display
CoreBuilder 3500 (rev 0.0) - System ID 454f8f
Dual power supply
Base Corebuilder 3500 Software
Version 1.0.0 - Built 11/19/97 04:12:04 PM
Time in Service: 543 Days
System Name: CoreBuilder-454F8F
Revision Diagnostics Serial 3C Number
Processor board AB Passed 2JAJ003036 3C35004
Backplane/Motherboard 02 Passed 2JBD001393 3C35001
Slot
1 10/100 BASE FX Ethernet AA Failed 2JQJ001525 3C35220
2 10/100 BASE FX Ethernet AA Passed 2JQJ001736 3C35220
4 10/100 BASE TX Ethernet AD Failed 2JCJ005628 3C35210
Diagnostic Failures:
- Revision -
Count Code Last Failure POV Extend
Slot
1 10/100 BASE FX Ethernet 6 100-0b 1999-OCT-25 7:37.26 01.24 01.22
4 10/100 BASE TX Ethernet 3 100-01 1999-OCT-25 7:37.30 01.24 01.22
AP Memory Size : 16 Mb
FP Memory Size : 4 Mb
Flash Memory Size : 8 Mb
Buffer Memory Size : 3 Mb
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Screen system/ip/interface/summary
No IP interfaces are defined.
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Screen system/ip/route/display
No routes are defined.
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Screen system/ip/arp/display
The ARP cache is empty.
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Screen system/ip/ping/display
count = 3 (Number of ICMP request packets to be sent)
wait = 1 (Number of seconds to wait between each packet)
packetSize = 64 (Number of bytes to be sent in each packet)
quiet = disabled (Display output in Verbose mode)
burst = disabled
source addr = N/A (Router will pick the best interface)
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Screen system/ip/traceRoute/display
Current traceroute options values:
ttl = 30 (Maximum number of hops used in outpoing probes)
port = 33434 (Base UDP port number used in probes)
probe = 3 (Number of probes to be sent at each ttl level)
wait = 3 (Time--in seconds--to wait for a response)
packetSize = 28 (Number of bytes to be sent in each UDP packet)
numeric = disabled (Addresses are displayed symbolically and numerically)
source addr = N/A (Router will pick the best interface)
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Screen system/baseline/display
A baseline has not yet been set.
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Screen system/upTime
System up time: 25 Days 2 Hours 20 Minutes 58 Seconds
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Screen ethernet/detail
port rxFrames rxBytes rxFrameRate
1 0 0 n/a
2 589581 73121701 0
3 994173 212694616 0
4 9718241 639729774 9
5 8647722 1629881709 73
6 10147643 2906054248 65
7 7216162 860776291 24
8 1232761 353968602 0
9 39515 4901951 0
10 0 0 0
11 0 0 0
12 0 0 0
13 0 0 0
14 24654021 485308785 125
15 0 0 0
16 0 0 0
17 0 0 0
18 0 0 0
19 0 0 0
port rxByteRate rxPeakFrameRate rxPeakByteRate
1 n/a n/a n/a
2 0 365 112257
3 1235 451 648364
4 3912 1218 1788508
5 8799 673 956144
6 2431 1488 1151842
7 5059 820 1122188
8 0 814 1157442
9 0 308 21956
10 0 0 0
11 0 0 0
12 0 0 0
13 0 0 0
14 45173 907 765305
15 0 0 0
16 0 0 0
17 0 0 0
18 0 0 0
19 0 0 0
port noRxBuffers alignmentErrs fcsErrs
1 n/a 0 0
2 0 0 0
3 0 0 0
4 0 0 0
5 0 0 0
6 0 404 431
7 0 166 190
8 0 30 47
9 0 18 13
10 0 0 0
11 0 0 0
12 0 0 0
13 16 10half n/a
17 10half n/a
18 10half n/a
19 10half n/a
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Screen bridge/display
stpState timeSinceLastTopologyChange
disabled 0 hrs 0 mins 0 secs
topologyChangeCount
0
topologyChangeFlag BridgeIdentifier
false 8000 00803e454f90
designatedRoot stpGroupAddress bridgeMaxAge
0000 000000000000 01-80-c2-00-00-00 20
maxAge bridgeHelloTime helloTime
20 2 2
bridgeFwdDelay forwardDelay holdTime
15 15 1
rootCost rootPort priority
0 No port 0x8000
agingTime mode addrTableSize
300 transparent 32768
addressCount peakAddrCount addrThreshold
138 297 29491
ipFragmentation ipxTranslation lowLatency
enabled disabled n/a
trFddiMode SRBridgeNumber bufferLimit
n/a n/a n/a
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Screen bridge/port/detail
port rxFrames rxNoDestDiscs rxSameSegDiscs
Fast Ethernet 1 588502 52 322
Fast Ethernet 2 984574 45265 9
Fast Ethernet 3 8174493 88298 940
Fast Ethernet 4 8623371 261195 435
Fast Ethernet 5 4735305 0 2
Fast Ethernet 6 262183 0 0
Fast Ethernet 7 1220741 23653 62
Fast Ethernet 8 12566 0 0
Fast Ethernet 9 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 10 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 11 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 12 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 13 14215981 27259 768
Fast Ethernet 14 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 15 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 16 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 17 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 18 0 0 0
port rxErrorDiscs rxMcastLimit rxMcastExcDiscs
Fast Ethernet 1 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 2 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 3 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 4 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 5 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 6 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 7 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 8 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 9 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 10 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 11 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 12 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 13 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 14 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 15 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 16 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 17 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 18 0 0 0
port rxMcastExceeds rxSecurityDiscs rxOtherDiscs
Fast Ethernet 1 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 2 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 3 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 4 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 5 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 6 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 7 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 8 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 9 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 10 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 11 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 12 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 13 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 14 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 15 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 16 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 17 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 18 0 0 0
port rxAllFilters rxMcastFilters rxForwardUcasts
Fast Ethernet 1 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 2 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 3 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 4 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 5 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 6 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 7 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 8 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 9 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 10 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 11 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 12 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 13 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 14 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 15 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 16 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 17 0 0 n/a
Fast Ethernet 18 0 0 n/a
port rxFloodUcasts rxForwardMcasts txBlockedDiscs
Fast Ethernet 1 1 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 2 14 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 3 537 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 4 566 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 5 3 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 6 1 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 7 23 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 8 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 9 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 10 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 11 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 12 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 13 77 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 14 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 15 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 16 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 17 0 n/a 0
Fast Ethernet 18 0 n/a 0
port txMtuExcDiscs txAllFilters txMcastFilters
Fast Ethernet 1 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 2 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 3 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 4 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 5 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 6 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 7 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 8 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 9 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 10 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 11 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 12 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 13 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 14 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 15 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 16 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 17 0 0 0
Fast Ethernet 18 0 0 0
port txFrames portId fwdTransitions
Fast Ethernet 1 4841555 0x8001 0
Fast Ethernet 2 5112836 0x8002 0
Fast Ethernet 3 13783833 0x8003 0
Fast Ethernet 4 9042912 0x8004 0
Fast Ethernet 5 3966461 0x8005 0
Fast Ethernet 6 3130763 0x8006 0
Fast Ethernet 7 5466773 0x8007 0
Fast Ethernet 8 467345 0x8008 0
Fast Ethernet 9 0 0x8009 0
Fast Ethernet 10 0 0x800a 0
Fast Ethernet 11 0 0x800b 0
Fast Ethernet 12 0 0x800c 0
Fast Ethernet 13 15773299 0x800d 0
Fast Ethernet 14 0 0x800e 0
Fast Ethernet 15 0 0x800f 0
Fast Ethernet 16 0 0x8010 0
Fast Ethernet 17 0 0x8011 0
Fast Ethernet 18 0 0x8012 0
port stp linkState state
Fast Ethernet 1 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 2 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 3 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 4 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 5 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 6 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 7 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 8 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 9 enabled down forwarding
Fast Ethernet 10 enabled down forwarding
Fast Ethernet 11 enabled down forwarding
Fast Ethernet 12 enabled down forwarding
Fast Ethernet 13 enabled up forwarding
Fast Ethernet 14 enabled down forwarding
Fast Ethernet 15 enabled down forwarding
Fast Ethernet 16 enabled down forwarding
Fast Ethernet 17 enabled down forwarding
Fast Ethernet 18 enabled down forwarding
port priority pathCost designatedCost
Fast Ethernet 1 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 2 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 3 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 4 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 5 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 6 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 7 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 8 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 9 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 10 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 11 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 12 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 13 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 14 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 15 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 16 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 17 0x80 10 0
Fast Ethernet 18 0x80 10 0
port designatedPort designatedRoot designatedBridge
Fast Ethernet 1 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 2 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 3 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 4 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 5 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 6 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 7 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 8 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 9 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 10 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 11 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 12 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 13 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 14 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 15 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 16 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 17 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
Fast Ethernet 18 0x0 0000 000000000000 0000 000000000000
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Most sys admins running NT don't know much anyway, ...
I prefer to call NT users push button operators, because all they know about networking is pushing buttons and calling people about what secret registry entry they need. Damn funny people to watch trying to figger anything out. They are the most drinkinest guys on the weekend though.
Screen bridge/vlan/detail
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VLAN detail
Ports 1-18=Fast Ethernet
Index VID Name Ports
1 1 IP_VLAN 1-4, 7, 9-18
2 2 HS-MS-WAN 6
3 3 HS-ES-WAN 5
4 4 Mac 1-18
5 5 HS-VS-WAN 8
Index Protocol
1 IP
2 IP
3 IP
4 Apple
5 IP
Index Layer 3 address
1 none
2 none
3 none
4 none
5 none
Index rxUcastFrames rxUcastBytes txUcastFrames txUcastBytes
1 41979812 3006586856 44826477 3357243813
2 7101893 853307126 8563118 1161076692
3 9358387 2857073824 5726111 2255996296
4 5792070 2333841488 5852394 2337598637
5 26914 3542715 34490 7625572
Index rxMcastFrames rxMcastBytes txMcastFrames txMcastBytes
1 2255077 197231105 16054066 1293680681
2 100108 6501800 2942611 241301665
3 716764 46058565 2346375 203043287
4 3042873 247816021 21766521 1773150278
5 2021 129344 467349 38512255
Index rxBcastFrames rxBcastBytes txBcastFrames txBcastBytes
1 1143378 133023176 5716885 665115432
2 8388 1090374 0 0
3 72499 5067274 0 0
4 261360 16728132 1289749 82549396
5 10546 1230022 0 0
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Screen ip/interface/summary
IP routing is enabled, RIP is active, Poisoned Reverse is enabled,
ICMP router discovery is disabled
Index Type IP address Subnet mask Cost State VLAN index
1 VLAN 10.10.1.1 255.255.0.0 1 Up 1
2 VLAN 10.50.0.1 255.255.0.0 1 Up 2
3 VLAN 10.60.0.1 255.255.0.0 1 Up 3
4 VLAN 10.70.0.1 255.255.0.0 1 Up 5
Index Number Advertisement Address(es)
1 1 10.10.255.255
2 1 10.50.255.255
3 1 10.60.255.255
4 1 10.70.255.255
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Screen ip/route/display
IP routing is enabled, RIP is active, Poisoned Reverse is enabled,
ICMP router discovery is disabled
Destination Subnet mask Metric Gateway Status
Default Route -- -- 10.10.1.4 Static
10.10.0.0 255.255.0.0 1 -- Direct
10.20.0.0 255.255.0.0 -- 10.50.0.2 Static
10.30.0.0 255.255.0.0 -- 10.60.0.2 Static
10.40.0.0 255.255.0.0 2 10.70.0.2 Learned (RIP)
10.50.0.0 255.255.0.0 1 -- Direct
10.60.0.0 255.255.0.0 1 -- Direct
10.70.0.0 255.255.0.0 1 -- Direct
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This message is a waste of bandwidth! Anyone who believes this crap is a moron.
BOOTP relay hop count limit is 4, BOOTP relay threshold is 10. UDP port Forwarding address 67 10.10.255.255
But their PR department has been so inept lately, that they will probably issue such an incompetent denial that all the conspiracy buffs will be convinced that it is true, all true! For example, look at Microsoft's DOJ testimony, look at the 63000 bugs memo, look at Mr. Bill's open sourcing Windows interview (Oh, no, he didn't really mean what he meant!)
What "innovative" way will Microsoft find to fumble the ball this time?
But it probably won't matter anyway, because Microsoft has cleverly marketed their products to morons who actually seem to find Microsoft's bumbling comforting, or at least non-threatening.
You seem to imply that this is some kind of "Weekly World News" publication. It doesn't appear to be. A tabloid, yes. They simply quote from a "French report." They probably haven't done much fact checking themselves on it. But The Age appears to be at least somewhat useful as an information source.
I am not a lawyer.
We really need to have No Such Administration (pun heavily intended) I am a windows user, but if this is what MS wants to shovel us-- Ive tried linux and I can learn! The french arent as dumb as many of us think-- they did pull off the french revolution, mabye they will pull off the "American Revolution" and overthrow America's soverign rule over the planet. Well, im going off to shiver in a corner. Good day to you
Seems like this ties into the helping out the spies therory. Sell something that is as open as a baby and then tell everyone it is solid as a rock. Could make it much easier to spy.
Noel
RootPrompt.org -- Nothing but Unix
kayaking
If this story is actually true (ha ha ha), then it does matter. My freedom and privacy cannot be bought and sold like the shares of Red Hat and VAndover. These are priceless things. I want to know if they've been violated.
I am not a lawyer.
french spies have been observing me pouring hot bowls of grits down my pants. ooh la la. thank you.
Everyone else in the world hates the united states, why don't you start?
The PR agencies are working serious overtime. No sleep this weekend, because of posts like this on slashdot.
...and there's a monster living inside the pentagon...
Someone had to say it, but here are some reasons to support my theory
- Freely distributable... "Spread it around"
- Official OS of China (don't remember if this turned out to be false...)
- Most of the licensing seems to ask developers to make programs because you need them and distribute them for the good of the community
Hehe...--
linuxisgood:~$ man woman
Restating the obvious since nineteen aught five.
Come on now. Do you think a US Government Agency
spending billions of tax dollars could really make Windows so easy to break into, spy-on, crash on demand? It takes real evil genius to do all this and then mind control thousands of clueless marketroids into actually buying Windows.
So this is why the Justice Department is trying to break them up now?
I don't think so. If they had all these little buggers hidden within the code on each windows box, I think that the Justice Department would have "dropped the case" by now.
In other words, Windows 2000 is killing Linux now, so Slashdot has to post whatever it can find that makes Microsoft look bad.
At first, Gates towed the line and was given a protected monopoly courtesy of DOJ. But, as time went on, Gates got greedy and this became a problem for NSA and friends. That he was set up by, i.e. fingered by, the wall-street socialist bankers who also controled NSA, IBM and Intel is beyond dispute. The usual deal was that, in return for an appointment from the financial gods, which results in unbounded theft-wealth, Gates was supposed to keep a low profile and tow the damn line. Instead, he got greedy and careless, and that became a motivation for and contributor to the birth and development of GNU and linux, both clearly a threat to NSA and the socialist bankers. GNU and linux turned a nice quiet apple cart upside down. The old boys must see that ultimately hardware controls are required for theft of information from private computers, and IBM and Intel are working feverously on that, but in the interim, RH is the new NSA-socialist banker flunkie, and Bob Young was given the appointment to supplant Bill Gates.
The old boys are not yet done with Gates. Gate's disobedience and greed has really caused a mess for them, and it wlll be interesting to see what payment the old boys have in mind for Gates. My bet is that Gates will suffer a destiny for his greed and disobedience that Bob Young will never forget. It was definitely some Gates sympathizers who took out Union Carbide out of the DJIA (an industrial company) and substituted MS (a media giant), as that works as a kind of life insurance policy for Gates. (The DJIA is now over 51% big media and less than 49% industrial.)
I am also sad to see that George Soros, a ruthless monster working for nazi bankers in wall street, has gotten his boot onto the neck of Torvalds at Transmedia. It will be interesting to see how Soros and the Murdock british-socialist media will try to somehow transform Torvalds into an enemy of the people. Trust me when I tell you this, with this boot on his neck, Torvalds' integrity will come under tremendous duress. He and the GNU will need our support. We live in interesting times.
You are right here, only what the CIA does abroad, the FBI does internally.
The NSA is just one of the means to give the US military an advantage in combat along the lines of the old warfare axiom "Get there the firstest with the mostest".
BTW, it is illegal for the NSA to spy on US citizens unless authorized by the US Attorney General. In most cases, a violation of this is a career stopper, so everybody's scared of doing this.
I do what the voices on my console tell me to do.
The IBM PC has its bottleneck on the processor, being also responsible for I/O etc. This processor also has got to do big work just for backwards compatibility. The remaining time it is just doing NOPs on 500 mHz, because it needs to be fast (they say). This overstressed piece of hardware needs cooling.
Now do the following calculation: the more important the computer, the bigger the CPU mHz must be, and the bigger and noisier the cooler.
So these black heli's can come nearer to more important computers without being heard through the noise of the CPU ventilator (chop! chop! chop!).
Strategic, eh?
It's... It's...
"We can confirm that Debian does *not* ship the version with the trojan horse. Our version predates it." [CA-2002-28]
Such a conspiracy would require the NSA or MS to have some clue as to the course of electronic communications, and that the Internet would become as great a phenomena as it has been. Given the explosive growth of the medium took MS almost completely by surprise, they rushed to develop IE, and Netscape continued to kick their butts until they "leverag[ed] their OS advantage," I find this completely incredulous.
bozo, there is a flaw with your suggestion. A package of freely distributable/modifiable is the pinnacle of democracy. You want communism, pick a closed source OS with hidden features.
Get your McCarthy ass out of here.
3rd press office in the world. Largely subsidised by the French govt, BTW, but that's (maybe?) another story. Well, they're at least somewhat reliable.
This is the WinXX world after all, and since networking was a later add-on, and security was an add-on to that, the security just isn't too reliable to start out with.
I do what the voices on my console tell me to do.
Pretty Sparc20's with 21-inch monitors.
Don't ask.
I do what the voices on my console tell me to do.
I checked, it's on the AFP wire. Not exactly a tabloid. (Disclaimer: I used to work there)
This is an interesting acusation, and may very well be true, but how does one define "working with"?
1) Call Micros~1 tech support.
2) Sit on hold for hours on end listening to the nail-grating advertisements.
3) Listen to a tech pick up the phone and answer "wusup dude?"
4) Explain how your windows peecee constanly locks up with a blue screen every time the computer actually gets used.
5) Listen to the little dude squirm.
Congradulations, you're "working with micros~1". The broad acusations in this press release could indeed be very true, but not relivant.
Another interesting quote is: " the National Security Agency (NSA) helped install secret programmes on Microsoft software..."
people install applications onto the os everyday! Does this mean there is some kind of link between the program being installed and the OS?
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fluoridataion, the most wicked and dastardly communist conspiracy we have ever had to face.
Through fluoridation the communists plan to sap and inpurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Did you know that there are currently studies under way to fluoridate flour, sugar, milk, icecream. Icecream, childrens icecream! That's how your hard core commie works.
God be with you all. We will previal, in peace and purity of essence of our natural fluids.
Not bad. It took only a half an hour for the PR department to show up for work today.
What about that bug in the first release of Win98? I must have been blind and deaf not to hear about it at the time. I think I'm still running the first release of that OS. Scary.
You can read more about it on WIRED.
France has also complained about PROMIS.
Bill Hamilton of Inslaw Corporation who was going after the government for stealing PROMIS gave this document to each member of the House Judicary Committee.
and we must not forget that Crypto AG supplied encryption machines to over 120 countries. Officials from Iran, Iraq, and the Vatican, to name a few, relied on Crypto's tech for top secret dispatches and the NSA had a deal with Crypto, which gave them a backdoor that made those encrypted messages easy to decipher and they were not even a US company.
Also what about Lotus Notes' NSA backdoor that is in international versions of the software.
Noel
RootPrompt.org -- Nothing but Unix
kayaking
As an ex NT admin, I take offense to that. :)
The problem is that the demand for admins is higher than the supply. MS is very good at telling ties that MCP/MCSEs are highly qualified, while at the same time pushing their certifications to the masses - "get certified and double your salary". The result? A lot of MCP/MCSEs with little or no real-world experience.
If J.K.R wrote Windows: Puteulanus fenestra mortalis!
REDMOND, Wash., Feb. 19, 2000 -- In the interest of clearing up any confusion about intended use, Microsoft has decided to rename its flagship product Microsoft Windows to Microsoft Downtime. Long criticized for its lack of any real security whatsoever, the newly rechristened MS-DT will feature extensive downtime periods followed by infrequent uptime which should insure against any possible security compromise of our numerous customers computer systems. Not merely an innovation, this name change marks the first time in computing history any software company has publicly demonstrated that product description can lead directly to better security, a problems whose best solution had long been thought to be obscurity. Patents are pending in the U.S. and jurisdictions abroad.
So I quit. Never felt better.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
Microsoft would never to anything to compermise our privacy. Microsoft is the leader in OS....
<<ding>>>
A fatal exception 0E has occured at F0AD:42494C4C
The current application will be terminated.
* Press any key to terminate the current application.
* Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE again to restart your computer.
You will lose any unsaved information in all applications.
Press any key to continue
Damnit! where the hell is the "any" key?
AdFuel
...but everyone is out to get me.
heheheheh
I'm still working on a clever footer.
About a year ago, there were several stories about how the Department of Motor Vehicles in four states were selling citizens' personal information, including the drivers' license photos, to a private company in New Hampshire (Image Data). The focus of this company was a system that would allow merchants to visually identify consumers, via the photos, and as such (it was alleged) would reduce fraud.
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I watched a newscast shortly after the initial story broke, where an official from one of the four states was *very* ticked off at this company for misleading him with respect to their source of funds. Apparently, it was discovered that the company had received about $1.5 million from the U.S. Secret Service. Read about it at http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/216
So, while the notion that the NSA is in bed with Bill might seem a little far-fetched, this incident with Image Data makes the NSA/Microsoft issue seem a little more plausible.
Here's one for you. Maybe the NSA is funding the Cult of the Dead Cow so that they can make tools for them! It makes sense. They couldn't have made BO and BO2K by themselves. It's just too well done.
It has to be the work of a evil agency bent on getting the UN into power as the one world government (never mind that the bulk of UN troops are United States AND the United States has a ultimate veto power in the Security Council).
I think stories like this are generally a little far fetched. As for the NSA key I think the Crypto Newsletter from Counterpane said it best. If you want to put a key into a program you don't put your agency name on it where anyone can see it.
This is the NSA. They do know a little about security and something this stupid is a little below them. After all if Windows is as insecure as everyone keeps saying why do they need to put some secret key in? They can just go in like any script kiddie and see what they want.
As for the DOS argument about trying to get a standard system in place... was DOS really that powerful or was I missing something? Windows I could kinda see but DOS? Never mind most of the major corporations they would want to spy on at the time were using UNIX or some other kind of heavy duty OS.
How did the NSA know that Microsoft would be well recieved? Maybe everyone would fall in love with the MAC and use it instead and then the NSA would be up a creek. Also the countries that the NSA would be most interested in (Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, etc) can't have computers exported to them anyway. This whole thing is full of holes if you just take a moment to think about it from a logical point of view.
you wouldn't hear em, right?
To continue, why would the NSA need Microsoft to force IBM to comply with its wishes? IBM has always been in bed with all levels of the government.
A good argument for the rumor is that the US intelligence community's modus operandi is to start up "front" companies to serve as cover for whatever black op they are about to take on. Could Microsoft have started as such a "front" company?
Who knows? It's just idle speculation.
A denial by the big M wouldn't be convincing. The only way to find out would be a massive lawsuit against Microsoft that would force it to open up its vaults of internal documents & memoranda to public scrutiny. The tobacco companies recently faced such an onslaught. Oh, wait. That lawsuit is "United States v. Microsoft." The private antitrust suits, like that of Caldera, are probably going to be settled out of court. No production of documents, I guess.
We'll never know unless there is a political movement in the US that demands change in the intelligence community.
Oh my god! Just as I was about to post this, I lost my net connection! LOL. ROTF.
I am not a lawyer.
Well, that would certainly explain Gates refusal to make Windows open source. I guess the guys from Fort Meade need to have a talk with Janet Reno. Only thing it doesn't explain is the black helicopter hovering outside my window. :-)
[Insert pithy quote here]
french inteligence... isn't that an oxymoron?
Well, I've been saying something like this for ages. Only it's the other way around. Why would the government try to disrupt and destroy MS if MS was it's biggest spy? Seems coutner-productive. Taking teh chance to seem uninformed, I'll present a little strange, but possible possibility. Perhaps the feds are attacking MS because they AREN'T spies, and refuse to be spies. IBM, and other big folks have been helped along in their lives by Government contracts, which we all know pay 5 times as much for things. So, here's MS uncontrolled by the government, so the feds decide to burn them. Seems like a plausible situation. Atleast it would probably make a good movie. Imagine Bill strapped to a chair being drugged and interrogated. Hypnotizing him "You WANT to work with us" then he bites the guys nose off... well, maybe it's been done before. Anyway, no evidence, but that's what conspiracy theories are, aren't they?
Ibrahim "When did we stop using cups?"
I could sort of believe this to be true with windows. With everyone and their parents, grandparents, etc, on the internet, this might have use. Get windows to allow agents to connect to your machine and spy on you. That is very far fetched, it would be easy to do, and havn't there been stinks in the past about certain programs sending off info without asking first? Same sort of thing.
However, I find this story to be unbelievable because it supposedly started as early as dos. Most dos computers were not hooked up to the internet. The internet was still Darpa net during most of dos's years wasn't it? Anyways, the point is how would the NSA have been able to spy anyways? They would have to physically be at the comptuer, and well.... dos is not at all secure, anyone could "spy" on someone if they were sitting at the suspects dos box.
naivete paranoia
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ok, maybe it's not art.
numb
I guess that is the reason there is so much pressure from higher ups to replace Macs in the govornemnt workplace. Regardless of how well they work.
Steve Jobs used to be a big ant-establishment guy back in the day. I guess he wouldn't let them spy.
In the upcoming months, we'll no doubt hear about how "evil hackers" will "exploit" holes in Windows 2000 and copy sensitive data (coying is never theft and I refuse to call it that) or hose networks or crash machines. The media and MS will attempt to place all blame squarely on the h4xx0r instead of where a great deal of that blame belongs... on morons who deliberately made themselves vulnerable by installing a new and barely tested product that even at release time was still known to have tens of thousands of bugs, yet they installed it anyway. Who is really the hax0r d00d breaking security here?
Read about it at RootPrompt.org -- Nothing but Unix.
The article is mostly the antology of a paranoia tale that roamed before Net days. "Why MS-DOS has so many holes? Because the NSA, CIA, FBI, the Shadow Government are behind this..."
It is no more than this. It seems that jounalists, without having ANYTHING new to publish, decided to hunt down on more deeper waters. The result? They are publishing urban legends as news...
But... Don't trust more Microsoft by this. THEY DO A LOT to get some info about you and your use of computers. The "lemedofoyou" philosophy of their OSes hides a dangerous system of information gathering. Besides more and more they bound this philosophy on your computer use. Wanna get a patch? "lemedofoyou". Wanna get a new program? "lemedofoyou" Wanna search for something on the net? "lemedofoyou"
But for "lemedofoyou" to work they must know something about you. And they gather some info. Presently it looks that this information gathering is not very substantial. Maybe because it is gathered by a few bits each time. So the whole may be much worser.
And this information can be used for very dangerous purposes. It can be sold to NSA, CIA, FBI, the Shadow Government... Or worse. It can leak and be sold to snake oil sellers, major corporations, religious sects and even leak into the criminal environments. Imagine someone getting thousands of credit card numbers from satisfied Microsoft customers.
No sources named. In a paper which has been pointed out by another poster to have the tabloid nature.
You know what this probably is? Someone in France heard about NSAKEY. This got mentioned in a report as "Probably not actually related to the NSA, but we're putting a note on it in the We-Hate-Microsoft file." This in turn gets transmitted via friend-of-friend through three or four hops, reaches The Age, and you've got this lovely article.
Nothing new here, folks.
Alik
I trust french even less than Microsoft.
Of course! It all makes sense now! Microsoft really pioneered distributed.net, and is using MS Office as a client to process Echelon data. I wondered my PC kept getting slower.
If you told me it was the French intelligence community that had done something like this I might just believe it. The Frech have shown themselves willing to do almost anything. Ask greenpeace. Ask any of the other groups that have irrated the French. But the US??? Come on now the US belives in things like people reporting on thier employers. The US could never keep something like this quiet for very long. It just flies against everything that is American. The French or the English maybe but the US really believes itself to be the "good guy". You have to like Americans for that. Where else but America would anybody complaining about the President having an affair with an intern? Or lying about the affair? The American sense of right/wrong is so deeply ingrained Americans see EVERYTHING as wrong. Some one would have squeeled by now.
Whatever, the spy tools are, I cannot imagine them in Win 2000. As the DOJ trial is going on, at least the POSSIBILITY of open-sourcing Windows is being discussed. If it were open-sourced, such things would be easy to detect--and then MS gets its pants sued off by millions of angry users. They don't want that.
-- The Sheep --
i dont think this is true but, despite the fact im a journalist i'll post it anyway. just so we can getv in a few pops on microsoft, sorry Micro$$$$~1~1~1. thank you.
My W2K computer?
Sorry, you got the wrong guy here. I'm sensible, so I use an Apple running LinuxPPC.
If not for their cuisine, their women or their language, at least for their sense of humor.
French Intelligence? Isn't that a misnomer?
There is one thing you all must agree: Using back doors in operating systems to spy foreign countries is a lot cheaper than all the other spying techniques they were using in the past. It's also a lot more safe for secret agents: they can spy foring computers in theit homes/offices... There is also another thing: if you have an infiltrated agent inside one organisation, you can use your knowlagde in back doors to get access to classified information, that otherwise even that agent wouldn't be able to get. The main reason that makes me beleive that this is true it's economical: this is a much more efiecient way of getting information.
The findings are entirely consistent with the other things I've read about Microsoft and the Shadow Government.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
Although he probably said it in French.
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Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
"why are manhole covers round?" anyone?
Because that is the only shape that the cover can not fall through the hole.
...to destroy the productivity of the US workforce.
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Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Mmhhh, somebody decided my post was FLAMEBAIT, whoever did that, feel free to e-mail me to explain....
someonelse thought it was "overrated", well....
One reason I finally switched over all my boxes to Linux was that my LAN kept autodialling onto the 'Net for no good reason, and incidentally running up a huge 'phone bill. Traced eventually to just the Windows boxes sending packets to some printer...
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wouldn't this also explain why it took so long for the anti trust suit? just something to think about sirLOL (i forgot my pass)
How the majority of you people can just accept this rumour as "Fact" simply because it's Microsoft. Come ON! There's the slight chance that the NSA used their time machine to predict that Microsoft would become successful and that the IBM PC would become the most popular home/business computer system so that they could force IBM to use MS DOS back in 1980, I suppose... if you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist. I realize that Microsoft is not the greatest software company out there. Windows 9x is buggy. Windows 2000 isn't bug free either. But accusing them of this is ridiculous. I suggest all you teenaged "rebels without a cause" out there stop choosing Microsoft as your cause. You look like idiots. Yes, I expect this will be moderated as a troll, though it's not.
Doesn't this seems somewhat sully to you? The French intelligence, nevertheless! I would have some suspicions of this was reported by the Israel's MOSSAD but the French... On the other hand, this is a probably another way for people to make them feel better about their own stupidity!
I'm an SDET (Software Dev. in Test) at MS. The Manhole cover is the caliber they ask interns. Here are some questions I was asked:
1. You have four chains each with three links. Make a continuous loop out of them by making only three cuts. You can only cut one link per, and no tying the chains together!
2. There's a lightproof room with three lightbulbs inside, and three lightswitches on the outside, and one door. Set the switches however you want, and then open the door. Once you open the door to the room, you can't touch the lightswitches.
You're wrong when you said that you're judged on the quickness & correctness of the answers (though if you're given the manhole question, you probably would be), but rather your eagerness to tackle difficult tasks, analysis of the problem space, etc. Many of the problems like #1 map to pointer math algorithms.
Also, some questions asked don't have answers (give them an NP problem & ask to solve in P time & see if they recognize it as such) or have multiple answers (the lightbulb problem above), or the interviewer is asking just to see how you think & don't even know the answer to ("how many manhole covers are in the US?")
As for the average IQ, I'd say 130 avg is a safe estimate. I've tested 3 times, all in the 130-140 range. Though there are exceptions - I'm mentoring a new hire who I want to scream "RTFM!" to every time she asks me how to do something basic in VB.
However, right now, the US gov't is engaging in activities both in this country and others which in 5 years will eventually get reported and dismissed as "conspiracy theories" and in 20 years will be found to be fact, and those same people who were calling them conspiracy theories will then apologize for the "one time" error the government made and then believe they won't do it again. (after all, the gov't SAID they wouldn't do it again....).
The problem is, our government does horrible things as a part of POLICY, and this will never change until we get a real democracy.
Ignore Alien Orders
A FUDing we will go, a FUDing we will go, hi-ho silver, a FUDing we will go. FUDster rama!
,,those that eliminate their competition and become monopolies. In free societies there is a possibility that this is done through a superior product however a socialist system ,which makes competition illegal, is far more reliable for the dominant class. The worst case is centralized power and this includes the ruling elite in socialist and communist governments that would claim to prevent such an event. I am always in a state of consternation when people such as you disparage political organizations in the form of the United States that reduce the centralization of power to a greater degree than other systems. The whistle blower is rarely the stand up citizen who knows very little about the criminal culture, but rather the informant with their own questionable past. It is Netscape and Sun who have exposed MS not a band of Boy Scouts. The motives of Sun and Netscape are irrelevant to the public good which is served nevertheless. Do you suggest that an equal poverty is best? The result of sententious caterwauling just reinforces the bias of the unobservant. You fall prey to the folly of destroying the good for the unattainable. I agree with you on one point, humans are evil as nature intended but humans can, through discipline, overcome this nature and do good. This is why the origins of existentialism and communism should not be stripped of their Chistian heritage because Christianity warns us of our natures. If you don't believe me study your history. The first communists were the early Christians and the first existentialist was Kierkegaard(himself a Chistian). Never once did they espouse equality by force of law. "If anyone will not work than neither shall he eat" -Paul, "The laborer is worthy of his wages" -Christ. The rich were to give to the poor, not the poor to take from the rich, yes there is a difference. The modern socialist governments removed the Chistian origins and twisted the whole philosophy to achieve the ultimate mockery of "to each according to his needs and from each according to his means". The Romans had a saying "who watches the watchers". I ask you what system would work if humans are by in large evil? At least in the US evil entities my neutralize themselves but under your apparent solution, which must not be capitalism, there is no such hope. So please keep your own rationalizations to yourself and realize that if the boardroom no longer serves than those same people will move to parliament.
(Moral of the story: decompile you product and remove any strings that a paranoid might interpret incorrectly).
Next episode: Microsoft teams up MPAA--
Microsoft Windows2000 searches for DeCSS on your hard drive and send your ip directly to MPAA's lawyers.
Nah, MPAA won't be able to afford it.
See, this shows just how beautiful CS companies can be. Not only can Microsoft declare their programs the most secure, best, or whatever (and no one can refute it without cracking it), but the other side can make outlandish claims (and there's no way to refute it without looking at the source). If anyone makes these claims about Linux, Apache, etc, we can easily say, "Here's the source code, point out where it's spying on you and we'll remove it." All Microsoft can say about this is, "Um, no we're not. Buy Windows 2000 though."
I thought the black helicopters were silent?? :)
I posted that primarily as a request for whacked out theories, but it now appears that I should clarify a little.
There's probably nothing in particular about this story that got it blocked. It was on the website of a Western news source, most of which happen to be blocked.
Off the top of my head, blocked sites that I've tried to go to include:
CNN, NYT, LA Times, San Jose Mercury whatever, the Washington Post, the Boston Times (I think), _not_ BBC News (curiously enough), The Age (the Australian newspaper that published this), Xoom, Geocities, Angelfire, Tripod, and the US House of Representatives.
Anonymizer.com and Proxymate.com are my friends.
go check what CNN had to say about this two years ago:
i dg/
http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9807/27/security.
I don't believe that IBM was forced by the NSA to use MS-DOS, remember that at the time Microsoft wasn't the big huge monopoly they are today, if this theory was slightly true this would have been mroe probable to either have the NSA team with IBM to implement the back door or the NSA teaming up with Digital Research, the company doing CP/M of which QDOS (that was bought by MS and barely modified to be sold to IBM with the name MS-DOS) was a clone for the Intel processor.
Ok, I got it, they were forced to team up with MS because the guys at IBM were unable to do sloppy programs with lots of security holes in them ;)
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
Ceci, n'est pas un troll!!
I thought it rather witty!
-Quintus
He who fights and runs away,
Didn't the US accuse the French of using Tempest technology for industrial esponage abord their airplanes (Air France)
What would MSDOS have to do with spying on communications back when IBM included it with their PCs?
It wasn't even a network operating system, and the Internet was not exactly a widely used public network at the time.
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grappler
Vidi, Vici, Veni
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...to use "MS DOS".
They had the hardware, but no OS.
Gates knew someone how hacked an OS.
He [Bill Gates] bought it for pocket money,
sold it to IBM.
In case you don't remember:
"DOS" was called "Quick and DIRTY OPERATING SYSTEM" at that time.
george./
With the French, it's "their way" or "no way." We've saved their butt so many times and they still think the US is out to get them. If MS software is sending spy information then it should be easy to prove just by monitoring all the traffic from a particular machine loaded to the gills with Windows, office, etc etc. They won't do this to prove anything because ... their isn't anything to prove! Surprise! Sad. Selfish. Arrogant. Typical.
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Please let me remind you,
1.
that US agencies prevented folks like me (I live in Europe) from having stronger encryption.
2.
Encryption not possible to decrypt by US agencies are considered WEAPONS and not released, even not to US citizens.
3.
Those of us who use a Unix flavor still are possible victims due to cookies and redirects.
(Please don't tell me I'm wrong about cookies unless you really know what they are, AND what Java can do.)
4.
Two words: SETEC ASTRONOMY
5.
One word: FEMA
george./
(SFX: Black helicopters whirring overhead.)
What, do black helicopters sound different than other helicopters?
You fucking racist pig.
2. There have been occasionnal concerns in the French political world that reliance on foreign (read here: american) software could pose a security problem, since it can potentially contain backdoors left for US intelligence to spy on officials and industries.
There have already been attempts by the United States to influence the politics of France, as shown in this document from the US Senate. I guess American taxpayers won't be happy to learn that their tax money was used to fund an "union" of posh French students whose main activity is to put political stickers on just about every flat surface they can.
With this precedent in mind, it is therefore not sheer paranoia to think that US intelligence still tries to influence the politics of allied democratic governments, including France.
It is very possible that IBM was forced to accept MS-DOS because when IBM first began development of an encryption system for DES in the early 70s, the NSA forced them to reduce the key length to 56 bits from 128 bits so that they could more easily crack the encryption. Two opponents of reducing IBM's key length estimated that a 56 bit encrypted message could be cracked in about 10 hours for a cost of $5000. Whereas an 128 bit key would cost about $200 septrillion or $200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 and god knows how long.
help a poor college grad get a free Mac Mini
It says nothing. The poster rants about the US govt doing illegal things now, that in 20 years will be known fact. Yet does he ever try to support his point? Does he offer any evidence of these attrocities. I am willing to concede that the govt has some illegal, abusive policies, but they are nothing compared to the pointless gloom the posted is trying to make you all believe in.
This is just, yet another case of the moderators rewarding comments that they believe in, regardless of content.
disgruntled slashdot user who think that moderation is becoming a joke,
-jason
they're very useful, I've heard.
If you are an individual or a small business, you may not care and consider the chances that the NSA is spying on you an unlikely risk. But if you are in government, would you trust a foreign vendor's word when your national secrets, and those of your countries major corporations on which your global competitiveness depends, are at stake? The answer must surely be no, and the French goverment are slowly coming around to this conclusion.
So expect to see more stories like this in the news. Even if none will ever be verified, they will permanently change the public perception about the risks of proprietary software from foreign monopolies.
But consider this: I seriously doubt anyone at NSA gives a rat's ass about you, your computer or the fact that you took a peek at those obviously faked Natalie Portman pictures.
It's much more likely that *for the most part* American intelligence services work to keep it's citizens safe. Which seems more plausible: The NSA spending millions developing techniques to spy on internet users, or the NSA using that same money to prevent some asshole from detonating a truck bomb in your face?
The people who make up the various intelligence services, by and large, are just regular people with the same morals and sense of conscience as anyone else. They just happen to do a very specialized job.
Are there some bad seeds? Surely. You find them in every walk of life.
While we should remain vigilent for infractions into our privacy, we should also be very thankful for all the Trade Center bombings that never happened due to people at places like the NSA.
To demonize an agency as huge as NSA with these... moronic incoherent paranoid ramblings suggest that many people, especially in the US, take too much for granted.
it is our culture which makes us evil. we do not live with nature anymore. we are consuming this planet like cancer. there are other cultures who remember that humans are still a part of nature, but they are being consumed. western culture needs to adapt or humanity will go extinct. fascism must be stopped.
Could this explain all of the crazy stuff that's been going on in the world recently? Has our government been taken over by some corporate-spawned fascist conspiracy? I normally don't believe in conspiracy theories but this one seems frighteningly plausible. ph33r The Man, indeed.
OK, I have no comment on the work of NSA for protecting the poor americans's life against the dangerous terrorists.
But, when the NSA listens french prime-minister's phone communications in order to know his intentions for international negociations or intercepts Thomson's or Airbus's commercial proposals allowing american corporations to win contracts, I call that a theft.
Americans companys are not competitive enought to win contracts honestly ?
Hey didn't anyone else notice that The Age actually tries to set a cookie for the entire .com.au domain?
It's the JavaScript ad banner, which responds with the following header:
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Connection: close
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:46:05 GMT
Server: Netscape-Enterprise/3.6
Content-Type: application/x-javascript
Client-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:48:04 GMT
Client-Peer: 203.26.51.180:80
Set-Cookie: NGUserID=cb1a33b7-24076-951014765-17; expires=Wednesday, 30-Dec-2037 16:00:00 GMT; path=/; domain=.com.au
Set-Cookie: NGUserID=cb1a33b7-24076-951014765-18; expires=Wednesday, 30-Dec-2037 16:00:00 GMT; path=/; domain=.com.au
Set-Cookie: NGUserID=cb1a33b7-24076-951014765-20; expires=Wednesday, 30-Dec-2037 16:00:00 GMT; path=/; domain=.com.au
These cookies will then be echoed back to every single Austrialian .com domain! Forget about the US and NSA, what are these crazy Aussies up to?!! ;-)
- Scott
You can't study the darkness by flooding it with light. --Edward Abbey
The Vichy french were from the part of France which was sympathetic to Germany. They didn't want to be 'liberated'. But the northern French were very happy to see the Americans come rolling in.
Don't you think the French, and especially the Israelis are doing the same thing to us? It is the name of the game.
Industrial espionage is pretty easy. businesses don't think of security very much.
You get a job with or open a janitorial service, walk around the offices and just write down the passwords and such. they tape them to the monitor, Instead of putting them in a secure place. Nobody shreds. You can carry out sacks of info in black plastic bags. Files are not locked, it is a snap. Sometime the computers are on and ready and waiting for you to print out anything you want. They even supply blank floppies. Nice people.
Knew an ex agent that owned a janitorial service.
The NSA doesn't give a shit about you and what you do online, they aren't interested in and not allowed to spy domestically, it is the big fish they are after. They want to know what Airbus is doing, not what Hemos said yesterday. They do protect, but they also serve the business community by sharing info relative to their concerns.
After a time in the field, considerations as to the moral questions, the patriotic aspects pale before the allure of the job. You do it because you can. It is the perfect job for the passive aggressive. NSA is a fine organization, staffed with normal everyday people, but it is those normal people who are doing th dirty work.
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It would be a better translation of the blue screen of death of Microsoft.
Apparently there are more than 33k known bugs.
As for the NSA being in Control of Microsoft and
IBM, those French news people must be sniffing
glue or flour.
Just tune in to TV-5 sometimes and you'll find
out that news in France is often a joke when
they're talking about the US. Not to say that
the brits are any better.
I think they're kind of like the writers of the
paper "Minuit" in Montréal. It's a paper like
the US paper "Midnight" and the writers of said
paper decide around a table what the news will be.
It's cheaper that way than wasting their time
outside considering that people wouldn't know the
diffence anyway.
Tabloids are funny sometimes until some morons
think they're real news and report it on real
newspaper or Radio and TV news.
It's a shame. A crying shame.
There could have been an AMIGA on every desktop
instead of this lump of shite (boots box)
Bet Gary was PISSED when he got back!
What they forgot to mention was that the NSA arranged to fake Elvis Presley's death. They rushed Elvis to Area 51 where Elvis used his telepathic powers to communicate with the alien held there. The alien was a star spagetti coder on the planet it came from. Elvis relayed the information to Microsoft, of course there were Many Snafus in the translation; anyway that's how Microsoft got the code for its OS ;-) Lighten up and have a good day everyone :-)
"Open code, in other words, can be a check on state power." -Lawrence Lessig
I was stationed at Camp Doha, Kuwait from June '97 to June '98 in the US ARMY. I was promoted to SGT after being there only a week. I was in 385th Signal Company. A normal tour for a signal soldier is one year in Kuwait. Camp Doha is a logistics center for all forces in Kuwait. Army Brigade task forces, composed of about 3000 men, are rotated through Kuwait for three months at a time. There are four rotations a year. The rotations overlap by about ten days to insure there is always a task force in Kuwait. A marine amphibious assault force is in Kuwait in December.
Kuwaiti Liberation Day is February 22. Saddam usually gets surly about that time of year and 1998 was no exception. He kicked the UN inspectors out of Iraq and we had a stand off with him. We brought in another 8000 US Soldiers in to Kuwait then. Camp Doha is a big storage depot for equipment and ammunition. All the US has to do is send personnel to Kuwait and issue them the equipment that is already in place. We no longer have to execute a slow build up of forces. Camp Doha however can only support a brigade (about 32 tanks). Most of the new troops came from Ft Stewart. There were other indications of how serious it was. There were 7 Generals at Camp Doha including one from Australia and one from the UK, Navy SEALS, Army special forces and DELTA force present, Including two AC-130 Gunships. It was a regular dog and pony show.
I was at Udari Range at this point providing secure telephone communications from the forward battle field commander to the Generals at Camp Doha. Udari range is 12km from the Iraqi border. Arriving with all these people was the Anthrax vaccine. Taking the vaccine was mandatory. I was in charge of 6 people. I was instructed to take my soldiers weapons away from them and put them under lock and key. We all had to go to the Mess tent to take our shots. Once there we were placed under MP guard and corralled into lines. We were told that the MPs would force anyone who resisted. I didn't see anyone resist. The shot burned really bad for about twenty minutes. The burning sort of crept up on you. One minute you would be laughing at your buddy cause he was crying about how bad it hurt the next you wouldn't be laughing any more. We were all sick for about 36 hours. The shot is injected into muscle. That muscle develops a golf ball sized lump or hardness in it that lasts a month. We repeated this 4 times before I left Kuwait.
An anthrax vaccine was tested prior to the gulf war but was not used on soldiers during that conflict. I believe it caused actual anthrax in testing. We were given a different vaccine. When we took it there had never been any human trials. We were the guinea pigs at gunpoint. I heard that one soldier went into anyphlaxis shock. Sort of an allergy induced coma. Apparently she swelled up until her fingers looked like sausages. I believe that does account for the
I suppose I could go on and on. The military has proven time and again that they care little for the patriots who serve in it. From nuclear testing with exposed troops, Agent Orange, gulf war syndrome to untested anthrax vaccinations the army proves they don't care a bit.
Obviously the US Government is not above harming US Citizens. As for Microsoft I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bill Gates has enough money to buy 2 gigabytes of storage space for every man woman and child on the planet. All 6 billion of us. Windows is full of holes. Windows contains 65,535 ports. No one knows what they do. Is it a coincidence that the one corporation that could collect, store and use information on every single Windows OS user is also a monopoly and the single most powerful corporation in the world has ever seen. Motive, Means and Opportunity. We just need a body.
Reading Microsoft's Windows source code would go a long way toward finding a body. Perhaps if Steve Gibson ever gets Project-X working we will have a body.
The comment " we use the Windows API GetPrivateProfileString() in order to read configuration files" prompted me to read all my
Anyone feeling like I do, that you don't know anything until you have to teach it is welcome to the learning experience of giving me a hand starting linux. I am guessing you were all joking about black helicopters. I have seen them.
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
Would this be the same French intelligence agencies that brought us the Maginot Line?
HEE
-- "so let us not talk falsely now / the hour is getting late"
now find 2 other ways to do it (I know of at least this many other solutions -- though nonoptimal).
pardon my ignorance, but what does RTFM stand for? i never was good at acronyms... Dreamare
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Dont you get it, NSA/CIA/FBI IS FASCISIM 2.0. It is a matter of public record that the FBI attempted to discredit the Black Panther Party and other progressives. They created a "Colouring Book" purporting to be by the Black Panthers in a successful attempt to portray BPP a negative hate group. Why was it sent to middle class white households. For the sake of everyone, except the establishment, GROW UP. PinochetMustDie (My Nick from now on as I am waiting for my password)
It's unbelievable that, in these days, you cannot even get away from these unspeakably stupid patriot/racist techies on /.
Americans, french, japanese, etc. ad infinitum... you're ALL alike. Instead of focusing on the subject, which, for a change, almost is interesting, you keep going on about how much the rest of the world suck and how many wars your country has won.
For crying out loud, grow up!
... or at least have this discussion elsewhere. It must be obvious even to fascist retards, erhm.. intelligent and rational techies (I believe that's what you usually prefer to call yourself) of your kind that this discussion clearly does not belong here.