1. The right for third parties to quote is inseparable from copyright; but while Scientology claims copyright to OT2 and OT3, it objects (severely, I might add) to people quoting from it, based on the claim that these materials have never been 'legally published'.
2. The material in question was not 'posted illegally'. It was part of a court file and the public could see it and/or ask for copies of it. The Dutch AG (and previous courts in this case) considers that fact sufficient to establish legal publication, hence quoting from it is allowed.
We just managed. They dumped it at 15:something, word got out, reached a netzine, somebody mentioned it to us and we pulled a credit card. 22 minutes after it was dropped, the Dutch Internet Internet Domain Registration sold it to us.
Perhaps they liked the idea of the domain getting into other hands. They had been receiving complaints, too, I assume.
>Yup. I said yesterday, their site was hosted by Verio, and their IP address was 198.63.57.204. >Today some people get the IP address as 130.94.214.143, which belongs to Microsoft. At my >location, DNS still resolves it to 198.63.57.204.
If you go to http://130.94.214.143 , you get:
Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.
If, however, you go to http://198.63.57.204 , you get:
[blank]
while source code reveals a nifty piece of html code, written in nothing less than Microsoft Frontpage 4.0. Way to go (out)!
You used to be able to see all this stuff and more on http://www.xenu.net. But the Church of Scientology got a court in the Netherlands to ban the author of the site from putting that material there.
You're wrong on two counts.
Yes, http://www.xenu.net used to have a lot, but Andreas was never sued - although in the end he took down the so-called secret scriptures.
The Dutch courts never ruled against me. On my pages, you can still read fair porions of OT3 and of the rest of the OT-levels, two court cases notwithstanding.
Fortunately, huge parts of Scientology's so-called secret scriptures are still legally available. The Dutch courts have by now ruled twice about my case, Scientology vs Karin Spaink, XS4all et al., and each time, my page was deemed to be fair use. (Needless to say that Scientology has appealed again...)
I'd recommend reading Bare Faced Messiah by Russell Miller. Unfortunately, I can't find any online retailer still willing to sell this book...
There are plenty of copies around on the net. BFM is available from my site.
(But better not try today. Since my reports about Zenon's court case were just slashdotted, the server is currently a bit slow;-)
Karin Spaink
also sued by Scientology over their so-called secret scriptures. But since the Dutch courts have ruled differently, I won: the pages are still available.
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1. The right for third parties to quote is inseparable from copyright; but while Scientology claims copyright to OT2 and OT3, it objects (severely, I might add) to people quoting from it, based on the claim that these materials have never been 'legally published'.
2. The material in question was not 'posted illegally'. It was part of a court file and the public could see it and/or ask for copies of it. The Dutch AG (and previous courts in this case) considers that fact sufficient to establish legal publication, hence quoting from it is allowed.
We just managed. They dumped it at 15:something, word got out, reached a netzine, somebody mentioned it to us and we pulled a credit card. 22 minutes after it was dropped, the Dutch Internet Internet Domain Registration sold it to us.
Perhaps they liked the idea of the domain getting into other hands. They had been receiving complaints, too, I assume.
It's been delayed 8 times, now. I have applied for a Guinness Book of records nomination.
Actually, we had one already - which is analysed at http://www.cyberangels.nl/evidence/mailmartijn.htm l, and only now two news mails arrived. Check the mail analysis page for updates.
>> ... they probably just moved the domain...
>Yup. I said yesterday, their site was hosted by Verio, and their IP address was 198.63.57.204.
>Today some people get the IP address as 130.94.214.143, which belongs to Microsoft. At my
>location, DNS still resolves it to 198.63.57.204.
If you go to http://130.94.214.143 , you get:
Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.
If, however, you go to http://198.63.57.204 , you get:
[blank]
while source code reveals a nifty piece of html code, written in nothing less than Microsoft Frontpage 4.0. Way to go (out)!
Karin Spaink
You're wrong on two counts.
Karin Spaink
I write, therefore I am:
Karin Spaink
I write, therefore I am:
There are plenty of copies around on the net. BFM is available from my site.
(But better not try today. Since my reports about Zenon's court case were just slashdotted, the server is currently a bit slow ;-)
Karin Spaink
also sued by Scientology over their so-called secret scriptures. But since the Dutch courts have ruled differently, I won: the pages are still available.
I write, therefore I am: