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Microsoft/Unisys Unix-bashing Site Runs FreeBSD
Several people sent in variations on this: "Kind of ironic to see that the the site, dubbed WeHaveTheWayOut from Microsoft and Unisys runs on an Apache Web server powered by FreeBSD. This could have made a great April Fools joke, unfortunately for Microsoft, you can verify it by using Netcraft." This is a follow-up to the original story a few days ago. Other readers noted that there's already a WeHaveTheWayIn site up. Wehavethewayout.com was returning Apache headers yesterday; today it's returning "Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0", so it appears they've dumped FreeBSD in a hurry, or maybe just changed the headers.
Wehavethewayout.com was returning Apache headers yesterday; today it's returning "Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0", so it appears they've dumped FreeBSD in a hurry, or maybe just changed the headers.
Somehow, I doubt it's a big conspiracy. As someone suggested in the Netcraft story this morning, they probably just moved the domain from their marketing firm's hosting farm to their own box or something.
Not that the fact that their own marketing firm won't eat the dog food isn't funny, but this isn't front page news by a long shot.
--saint
The people who generally could find out this information about the site are techies who for hte most part hate MS with no chance of Rehabilitation. MS doesnt care becuase the ppl comming to there site for legit use of THIER product have no idea they are running BSD or let alone know what BSD is.
"All I can tell the "lesser of two evils" folks is that if they keep voting for evil, they'll keep getting evil."-Lp.org
I still see Apache headers on netcraft.
Wehavethewayout.com was returning Apache headers yesterday; today it's returning "Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0"
Oh? I'm getting this from Netcraft:
The site www.wehavethewayout.com is running Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a on FreeBSD
Rapidsite/Apa? Some mutant form of Apache? In any case, it's still reporting FreeBSD.
--Jim
The Way Out People have already changed the HTTP headers for the site. I wonder if they actually changed the server, though. Is there a non-felony way to get other information about the server?
Miko O'Sullivan
Cisco PR company uses 3Com switches. Neither Cisco or their PR company spokesman were available to comment.
This is news? Who gives a shit what webserver propaganda is run on? People are not quite getting it around here, sometimes...
ZDNet owns com.com, and all their sites branch off of it.
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
CNET owns com.com. Stupid, yes. Hoax, no.
-- Don't Tase me, bro!
Firstly, the ad campaign is about data centers and "big iron", not web servers (i.e. Unisys isn't really about selling low end web serving machines). As such the deployed HTTP platform becomes irrelevant.
Secondly, Unisys apparently contracted an outside vendor, and that vendor just happened to use Apache (and for static content it really, truly doesn't matter. Static HTTP is about as complex as notepad.exe). It's odd that there's a seemingly mixed attitude on Slashdot: One says that Microsoft is an evil beast bashing the world to conform to its ways, and another is a mocking when Microsoft isn't bashing people to conform to their ways. Which do you want?
On the other hand:
bash$ telnet www.wehavethewayout.com 80
Trying 130.94.214.143...
Connected to www.wehavethewayout.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: www.wehavethewayout.com
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
MicrosoftOfficeWebServer: 5.0_Pub
Content-Location: http://www.wehavethewayout.com/index.html
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:16:31 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Last-Modified: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:54:12 GMT
ETag: "575c4824d0d9c11:4a6b5"
Content-Length: 9766
Is Netcraft returning cached information?
--Jim
That's probably the most moronic naming choice I've ever heard. I stand corrected, I guess.
The first thing I thought of when I saw "news.com.com" was APRIL FOOLS HOAX!!
they didn't just change the HTTP headers. nmap reporst:
:)
Remote OS guesses: Windows Me or Windows 2000 RC1 through final release, MS Wind
ows2000 Professional RC1/W2K Advance Server Beta3, Windows Millenium Edition v4.
90.3000
it also reports a number of interesting ports as open:
21/tcp open ftp
25/tcp open smtp
80/tcp open http
110/tcp open pop-3
443/tcp open https
1433/tcp open ms-sql-s
2105/tcp open eklogin
3306/tcp open mysql
5900/tcp open vnc
whoever set this up did it in a real hurry.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
Of course they were running on unix themselves! They were locked in, they were unable to stop paying for the expensive so called unix 'experts'. They were *hoping* we could ALL find a way out TOGETER.
Liberty.
This says it's IIS5 on Win2k (which is determined from the IP fingerprinting that netcraft do).
When I first went to the link, it was saying FreeBSD. Do we care? Nope. It was given to some marketting company who signed up and got some hosting space for the campaign. Oh well. It means nothing.
I noticed at the bottom of the netcraft page it will tell you what day a site responded with different information. It also lists the IP address that was returned. The freebsd box is a totally different IP address than the Win2k box. This is not the first time microsoft has used Freebsd for running a production site. I think hotmail was and it might still be. They also has a few websites devoted to their video game division that were running freebsd.
Fear the power of CHUCK
Oooooops!
If it won't boot, Fsck it!
They are running two servers at two different IPs. Apparently 130.94.214.143 is running their Windows 2000 IIS server and 198.63.57.204 is still running the Apache server on FreeBSD.
I guess what I am saying is "so what". Microsoft has disclosed the use of Linux for business critical function in their board report a few years ago. We also know that while eBay runs on IIS, the work really is on their database systems, which are on Sun equipment (AFAIK).
Click here or here.
Shall we?
t .comx hit.com
www.anna-nicole-smith-nude.com
www.ex-microsof
www.cannabis.com
www.dykesworld.de
www.se
www.germanparts.com
Don't know about that last one... but I'm not going to visit it.
Plus, slashbots, get this: THE IP CHANGED from 198.63.57.204 to 130.94.214.143. They're both hosted by Verio. Maybe that's all they had available at the time, before they moved to a dedicated server. Ooh, here's another idea: who the fuck cares? It's like saying that since the Zone runs Linux on their stats page... Lynch them! Lynch them!
97.4% of slashdot users, the popular Microsoft bashing site, are using Internet Explorer.
They must have just modified the headers acause it loatds too quick.
With a PC, I always felt limited by the software available.
On Unix, I am limited only by my knowledge.
--Peter J. Schoenster
Eye, says I.
The 'We have the way in' site is a great riposte to the Microsoft/Unisys site, and the kind of activism that is great to see from the OSS community.
A few points:
1) Why don't we make a list of ways the site can be made better, to help the Linux Freak guys? Bear in mind that this is aimed at pointy haired bosses.
2) How can we make sure that this is seen by people? Improve it's ranking in Google etc.
3) Remember it's aimed at PHBs - they're sensitive types. I think the site as it is is done very well, but even things like linking to the linuxfreak site might upset a PHB.
Come on guys, let's help this postitive activism rather than moan about Microsoft all the time!
Then, if you know your PHB has been infected by the Microsoft anti-Unix marketing meme, you can point him towards this site.
Great work LinuxFreaks.
Has anybody tried to enter his address? In order to get the free offer?
The FreeBSD server that was originally hosting the site is still up. If you look at the Netcraft page here you can see the IP address of the new Win2K server is 130.94.214.143 where as the IP of the FreeBSD one is 198.63.57.204. Both are working at the moment though I doubt this will be the case for many more hours.
Someone also suggested earlier that the domain was being transfered from a hosting service to MS but you can see that the IPs are both in Verio's netblock so thats not the case. My guess would be that MS/Unisys saw/were told what was being used to host the site and said they wanted it moved to a Win2K box. We've just experienced the delay as the DNS updates.
How long until they get hacked then? A high profile campaign like this is bound to bring out all the kiddies and some of the not-so-kiddies. Maybe we should have a sweekstake? :-)
Cheers...
Wouldn't this be similar to /. running on strictly NT servers with IIS? Next thing you know they'll setup MSN.com to only allow IE. I realize they did this, didn't they?
It's easy to stand out when the general level of competence is so low.
The interesting thing here is that the original site
is still online: http://198.63.57.204
Here's a little netcat "chat" I had with the old server
So it in some sense still runs FreeBSD
RavenZ
You forgot about the intermittent viruses.
There should be a moratorium on the use of the apostrophe.
Max V.
NeXTMail/MIME Mail welcome
I'm running it in wine.
;-)
They probably used FreeBSD initially on purpose. Then once the word was out in the tech community, they switched. Now then they have a lot of traffic from us geeks checking their headers to show potential converts how many folks are jumping on the site to get info on replacing UNIX.
So, we are in essence facilitating them by continuing to check the site.
Has anyone noticed that if you click the "JOIN" button on that site that the functionality is implemented in JSP? So the anti-Unix site is using BSD/Apache and Java. Nice.
News for nerds ? Probably.
Stuff that matters ? Probably not.
The submmission pipeline cannot be that dry...
Oh, I can't help quoting you because everything that you said rings true
...and they can't afford a firewall.
On behalf of Unix Engineers everywhere: Thank you Unisys. Thank you, Microsoft.
I'm reading some of the earlier posts... With people saying this is not news..
What? Do you work for Microsoft or something?
This is pretty big news to me.... I mean the irony is killing me!
Mircosoft, the hater of all things linux and bsd, is using the said offensive material to run their site!
First off, that's just funny.
Second, obviously someone thought BSD was more secure to run a server.
Third, they know how to run a server off of BSD.
Now they'll switch from BSD to windows... That site will get hacked time and time again... Showing how secure it really is. They can spend on the money they want to on a slanderous campain, but the truth will be shown.
www.slightlycrewed.com - Because aren't we all?
URL 1: http://130.94.214.143/ (IIS)
connects_completed: 12373, responses_completed: 12373 (41.2433/sec), total_errors: 0
msecs/connect: 87.503 mean, 3082.84 max, 81.047 min, 81.308 95min, 84.234 95max
msecs/response: 87.5983 mean, 3098.43 max, 81.848 min, 82.295 95min, 91.204 95max
URL 2: http://198.63.57.204/ (BSD)
connects_completed: 12322, responses_completed: 12322 (41.0733/sec), total_errors: 0
msecs/connect: 17.4765 mean, 21009.6 max, 9.477 min, 9.75 95min, 12.135 95max
msecs/response: 47.6064 mean, 3013.33 max, 12.329 min, 12.651 95min, 162.082 95max
This is very unscientific, and it's only wrt to the index page on both sites. It'd be interesting to see a detailed side-by-side comparison of the two sites. How often will you get to compare a BSD machine against a Microsoft machine maintained by Microsoft themselves, hosting exactly the same content.
If microsquash only changed the headers, and it is still on freebsd,It will be hard for hackers to deface the site, if not impossible. Some hackers should have at it. If it's running on Windoze 2000, It will demonstrate that they don't have the way out when they deface it.
But, it does report a bunch of open ports. ftp www.wehavethewayout.com returns:I'm betting it is a Windows server.
It's also running vnc--uh-oh
Now, wouldn't it be a terrible thing if that site got hacked and then the story got onto Cnet and Yahoo news!
Wouldn't that be terrible PR for Microsoft! Poor them! I do hope that doesn't happen. Especially bearing in mind that there must be a lot of people reading Slashdot who know how to do such a thing, and might be tempted to do it, or to post information about the open ports to mailing lists that black-hat hackers read. I do hope that doesn't happen, for Microsoft's sake. Poor them.
Not really been modded like that but these usually pointless AC rhetorical jousts come by pretty frequently. How do you know someone is lame modding you? I would have some faith that within a month they would of been meta modded down to the point where their modding abilities were gone, gotta have faith baby ;)
On another note thank you for whoever is modding me down in this thread it gets boring at the top
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
Someone mentioned it in the forums yesterday. So yes it already was a great April 1st sounding thing which was actually true! I don't remember which one it was in and I can't be pained to go find and link to it but if you are interested, it is there... along with a comment that www.linux64.com is running IIS on a 2k server.
--Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
...it was revealed there are slashdotters posting comments bashing Microsoft using Internet Explorer on their Windows boxes.
This
Who would be THAT BORED to write something at stupid as that? Oh. Wait. A slashdot college student who is dealing with his own repressed sexual feelings. Nevermind.
For those too lazy to click the link, fear a hidden goatse or find netcraft slow at the moment:
The site homepages.msn.com is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 on Solaris.
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
Just something I found humorous.
Did anybody else notice that their way out is a window the size of a small pet door. Of course the malnutritioned (sp?) geeks can fit through that but they don't really want to. It's the managers that are supposed to want to get away from *nix and they'd never fit through that hole.
Maybe the managers are just supposed to shove as many IT guys out the window as they can and hope for the best.
Anyways, back to M$ bashing.
impto, suspected troll
news.com.COM? Is that different from news.com?
It's obvious a lot of the posts know very little about enterprise computing. Those who work for financial institutions know most of the workhorse systems that have to be up 24/7 with 99.9% uptime use mainframes or really high end unix. I don't know unisys product line, but I doubt it is as mature and robust as the mainframe/high end unix equivalent. Geez, trying to use an intel box with win2k on a system that absolutely has to be up and can't go down in the event of hardware failure is insane. I don't know any MCSE who has replaced CPU, Memory and HD on a production system without bringing down the entire system for 2 hours. In comparison, I know plenty of unix and mainframe admins who have done exactly that. Though it really only happens when a new system is installed or once every 2 years after it's been running for a couple months.
You fools. This is bullshit. The least you could have done is verified the story first. It's not hard. Just telnet to port 80, and hit enter twice. It will spit a header out at you tellin what the OS and web server is. Ha! Fools!
They are running IIS 5 which means they are running Windows 2000 Server.
Here is a copy of the header:
HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:25:25 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 87
ErrorThe parameter is incorrect.
rooooar
...and it's FreeBSD!
Even MicroSoft, reluctantly, admits it.
look at the other sites the hosting provider are hosting with netcraft.
top of their list:
ex-microsoft.com
Use Steve Gibson's ideserve to query the server yourself. When I ran it, the server came back IIS 5.0.
Well they may have gotten rid of the Apache/BSD reference, but they still have Java running some of their links. :) Maybe Microsoft will buy BroadVision now...rename it to BroaderVision XP. ;)
Personal experience! I'm not just talking out of my backside. (however if I were talking out of my backside that wouldn't just be a fitting commentary/speculation on the origin on microsoft products, but DAMN FUNNY in its own right!)
Besides, what am I going to use at work, NETSCAPE?!! HA HA! If I keep netscape open for too long, I lose the ability to "click" on links.
Think about how useful websurfing is when you can't CLICK a link!
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
here I noted that Unisys has many webservers running mostly WinNT, and run a variety of webserver sw on them mostly IIS but also Lotus Domino, and Netscape. And in at least one instance they run Apache on Red Hat Linux.
Also per this chart they also run Apache on two other 'unknown' Unix platforms.
Work for Change & GET PAID!
5900/tcp open vnc
Good job they're not running XP then or they'd be violating their own license
I use OmniWeb, thanks. If you configure it to identify as Internet Explorer, nearly every site will work just fine. However, if you leave it and let itself identify as OmniWeb, then you're denied all over the place.
Polling user agents out of the server logs is inaccurate, especially on a site like this.
As a Microsoft/Unisys PR manager, I would like to thank to everyone who made wehavethewayout popular.
Thanks to your obsessiveness about netcraft & pretty much useless arguments which web server you use to serve static web pages, we are actually able to make many CIO/CTO's register & have a look at what we have to offer in replacing big-irons hosting databases & directory servers(not web servers serving static web pages, in case you still havn't got it)
The best part was we never spent $1 on marketing this web-site, just released details to CNet.
Again, thanks to everyone, we never imagined we would get so many hits or people looking into it
Way out, WAY OUT! That's where the fun is. WAY OUT!
so, you probably will not learn from this, but the anti unix campaign is a PR campaign, and having this story summarized on the front page of the WSJ is a PR nightmare: people will lose their jobs over this.
it doesn't matter to you, i know, but i thought you might want to hear what PR people think, they're the experts.
why the rice?
..this IS news, and here's why:
:-)
Because there is no better product endorsement than to be seen in public "eating your own dogfood," or "putting your money where your mouth is." Conversely, there's nothing worse you can do to hurt a company's reputation than to work for them and be seen using the products of their competitor. This makes people wonder, "If Company A's product is supposed to be so good, how come a Company A employee, who probably gets it cheaper than Joe Schmoe consumer (or even free), still chooses Company B's competing product?"
This is why people who work at car dealerships are given demo cars for personal use. Would you want to buy a GM car from a salesman who drives to the dealership every day in a Toyota? Would you find his pitch about how GM cars are superior to all others very believable, when his personal funds went to buy a non-GM car?
I remember reading a couple months ago (and just Googled the article, 2nd from the top) that highly-paid Pepsi shill Britney Spears was photographed with Coca Cola products. Twice, in a rather short time frame. Pepsi publicly pooh-poohed this, but you can be sure that their PR people are chugging Pepto Bismol over it, because she holds sway over a nation of twelve year-old girls who want to be her-- which would entail them consuming Coke when they're not busy filming a commercial for Pepsi.
This is why it's news when Microsoft chooses someone else's product to run something, or when they fail when trying to replace a competing product with their own and end up proving that said Microsoft product doesn't live up to its marketing hype (e.g. Hotmail's original failed NT conversion). In this particular case, it's just a boneheaded mistake-- nobody thought to say, "Oh, by the way, let's make sure that our anti-UNIX site is running on IIS," but it's still noteworthy if for not other reason than because of the almost comical irony.
~Philly
That would explain both the poor performance, and the speed of the changeover.
Not that I'm defending anyone, just puking information..
"I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
Use Opera at work. I do. Works great and best of all my manager is too stupid to know how to check the Opera history. Sigh. Thriving in a Dilbert world...
So we need to hack the Apache site, change the content, then hit the MS site to see if it really is just a proxy server.
The one major drawback then would be, we just hacked the BSD site, which would be a leg up for their FUD.
As the original story pointed out, the MS ad campaign derides commercial Unix(c), not Unix(c)-like operating systems (*BSD/Linux.) MS is bashing Solaris/HP-UX/AIX/Tru64/Iris, not directly bashing Unix(c)-like OSes. The news.com story incorrectly refers to FreeBSD as Unix(c). So in other words, MS and Unisys didn't really get caught with their pants down, they were caught trying to pull their pants down.
-- Never hit a man with glasses. Hit him with a baseball bat.
As this was on the front page of the Wall Street Journal yesterday (& my boss--who's a huge windoze fan saw it) I'd say there's quite a bit of damage control that needs to happen.
Microsoft FTP server as well. Looks like MS-SQL.
I'm really pleased Slashdotters are just talking about hacking the site, rather than actually doing it. After all, I'm sure lots of people at Microsoft read Slashdot, so now they have been altered to the fact that their box is insecure and are probably making plans to secure it. I'm really pleased that people aren't hacking this as soon as possible, and causing Microsoft a terrible PR disaster. It's great that Microsoft is being given time to put a firewall in place. We wouldn't want embarassing PR for them, would we?
I expected "wehavethewayin.com" to be a goatsex link.
Frankly, I think Microsoft sees promotion of FreeBSD as:
1) An opensource OS it can reap benefits from without giving back
2) A way of fragmenting unix/linux, thus hurting microsoft's biggest threat: linux. Just as keeping Apple just lively enough to keep the justice department off their backs, I think they realize that splitting unix/linux into factions will keep microsoft stronger, relatively speaking. Both of these are things right out of go strategy, and Gates is a go player.
In other words, I wouldn't be surprised a bit if we were supposed to discover that the site is running FreeBSD.
I host mulitple sites on my home computer,
and I was just messing around on netcraft, asking it what I was running (of course Linux/Apache).
They are small sites with little traffic, but I like them, anyway..
My point is that none of them were in Netcraft's survey, I wonder if this is a widespread phenomenon?
If all of us were to go tell netcraft about our locally hosted sites, would linux/apache see an uptick in market share?
I have 7 sites, if a large portion of Slashdot readers have 3 or 4 sites, or even 1 or 2,
we could increase the apache numbers by 400,000-500,000 sites, this would be a nice market share jump for apache...
52% of their users are happy, they lie, none of their products are really great. Microsoft is one of a kind :)
But if you think Microsoft people read here because of market research, you're barking up the wrong tree. I read here because I'm a geek. Honestly, I could care less about what ad campaigns Microsoft is currently running, but I'd have to try damn hard. :-)
:-)
Sure, I may not use Linux much. That doesn't prevent me from writing code mostly all day.
Oh I guess some MS marketroids do read here in the same sense a biologist looks under large rocks to see what's moving, too. Watch me not care.
Any moderators have an Off Topic for these guys before one of them tries to strap a bomb to a teenager to avenge the injustice and disrespect they've encountered?
Little news flash for you boys and girls, Microsoft isn't attacking Unix becasuse it can be used as a web server. A box with a web server on it is cheap, there isn't really a whole lot of money in it. Microsoft cares far more about the machines that run the business logic, the application servers, and the data bases. Microsoft is trying to defame Unix in these areas. If MS really cared about the web servers they wouldn't be porting the CLR to FreeBSD and they would be taking steps to stop Mono and the other projects. Instead MS encourages it. I don't see anywhere where it says MS is releasing SQL server for unix, or anywhere that says MS is adding extensions to ADO to interact with Oracle servers. If they did then perhaps it would be valid to bash MS for taking a stance against unix.
nmap the fucking thing!
it looks like they are mapping ports though a W2K advanced server.
I'd paste the dump here but it would be too long.
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
uh oh, you bad boy Unisys, your using viral software!!!!!
http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/gpl.html
Time for your master billy to give you a spanking : )
Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
For an easy way to change the useragent in Mozilla, install a copy of uabar. It fits in with the other toolbars, provides a dropdown list of useragent strings and the ability to type in a new one. There are also plenty of other useful Mozilla related projects at mozdev and XulPlanet.
Windows 2000? but I thought that XP pro was so good, everone should use it. So on a new server, they thought that windows 2000 was better than XP.
room101 -- how much can you stand before they break you?
(they always break you eventually)
This shouldn't even be a news story. For all you guys that think there's something wrong here should scoot on over to http://www.linux64.com and have a look at what server they run before making such a big deal out of this.
It should be noted that on the http://www.wehavethewayin.com website the keyboard in the graphic, though blurred to hide this fact, is actually a Microsoft natural kerboard. Take a look for yourself!
ok this is it !!! you can download some unix binary files like the command 'ls' http://www.wehavethewayout.com/bin/ls there are some more, it looks like microsoft was to stupid to configure a freebsd server hahaha microsoft sucks bigtime !
Oops. Probably shouldn't have said that!.
-- ac at work
POP also:
... ]
% telnet www.wehavethewayout.com 110
Trying 130.94.214.143...
Connected to www.wehavethewayout.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
+OK POP server version 2.53 ready from w2k1405
[
Liberty in your lifetime
This is even on infoworld, which is bad.
All this is microsoft inadvertantly supplying us FUD to go against their UNIX(and linux) fudding.
It's no wonder they're running FreeBSD.
This is the best free operating system
available. Everyone should check it out.
Scan for 130.94.214.143
Remote OS guesses: Windows Me or Windows 2000 RC1 through final release, Windows Millenium Edition v4.90.3000
while we're at it, here's a list of open ports on the machine.
21 ftp
25 smtp
80 http
110 pop-3
443 https
1433 ms-sql-s
2105 eklogin
3306 mysql
5900 vnc-http
interesting, why is mysql open?
"Hotmail's original failed NT conversion"
But Philly... That never happened. Why can't you Linux zealots come up with useful experiences and not rely upon myths and misinterpretations? Like that stupid Navy ship article that keeps getting misinterpreted.
The stories of hotmail switching over to NT came out only 2 months after the purchase of the website was announced. Anybody remotely familiar with corporate buyouts and software development knows that wasn't enough time. Furthermore, a search on deja.com reveals that there were no major outages of hotmail.com during that time frame, whereas nearly every other major outage of the service is easily found in the archives.
What we do know, from Microsoft articles, is that hotmail.com development switched over to Windows NT. In an effort to get higher performance, the CGI was rewritten in C++ and highly tuned on Windows NT development boxes. It was then recompiled for FreeBSD and deployed. They did this because NT offers better development/debug tools than what was available on FreeBSD.
We also know that hotmail.com eventually switched over to Windows 2000 on their web servers. I would have thought that conversion would have finally put an end to the myth, but apparently Linux zealots just can't get enough of revisiting the past.
BTW, I'm a GM employee who doesn't drive a GM car. There are actually quite a few of us, although I work in the GMAC financial side, not the auto manufacturing.
P.S. www.linux64.com runs on IIS5, so I guess that means Linux sucks, right?
We have the way out is just a big ad for UNISYS big iron. It also asks for personal information right up front. All they are hosting is their paid for reports. The rest of the content is at the UNISYS page. (Old news.)
The way in site is fast clean and friendly. Nothing is asked yet everything is given. Very open and honest compared to the definite marketing business feel of the other site.
Both sites share the same structure. This is fine for now, but probably should change as suggestions come in. Don't want to look like followers now do we?
Personally I would drag some dirt out of the closet about UNISYS and their use of the LZW patent. Clear simple and honest.
Blogging because I can...
What's really amusing is that, following their foray into UNIX, Unisys has returned to its roots. They're still selling servers that run OS 2200, the 36-bit OS descended from UNIVAC Exec 8 from the 1960s.
Your assertion is false as a matter of actual practice. Companies do actually use "big-iron" to consolidate large numbers of servers running "simple things" like webserving.
When you have 7000 servers, webserving becomes a big job.
Infact, IBM's big-iron is already being used in this capacity.
We get press releases from IBM about how some company is successfully using their Big Iron. Meanwhile, all Unisys can do is engage in slander.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
They definitely are up to some weird, inconsistent shit, that is for sure. HTTP and POP both report Windows software; and someone else said the FTP server also did (read through the comments, here and there). But you can download /bin/ls and `strings` reports it is most definitely a FreeBSD ELF, complete with some rather obvious RCS $Id$ tags.
Liberty in your lifetime
And the site is now completely blank LOL
I think the best part of this story is that the web site is now down. Did it go down because it was hacked, or did it go down because of the volume of traffic? I can't decide which is more ironic.
"That's VNC. XXXX Frame Buffer.."
XXXX=Remote
VNC is open source. How can they be using open source? Isn't open source evil in the eyes of MS?
--- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
If they moved it to WinXP or Win2K it'd crash every 5-10 minutes under the strain of their advertising campaign... so they must have just changed the HTTP headers...
It's down now, so they must have downgraded to windows.
>photographed with Coca Cola products
about 10 years ago, our vegas brewing club (snafu) attended a lot of chili cookoffs, which generally benefitted some charity or another. We'd take contributions, and only tended to share our beer with those that had donated at our booth.
At one of these, our president, who was, uhh, outgoing, even when sober (if that ever happened
Believe it or not, they did, though their bodyguard was a bit uneasy. And not a single one of us had a bloody camera!!!!!
*sigh*
hawk
The site is just a blank page now.
How can we find out if the site has been hacked or not?
Something must have happened... Is there any way to tell if it's been hacked?
hawk, who might consider it, if they put in the four missing cylinders and added two tons of steel
If you try to look at the stats directory:
http://www.wehavethewayout.com/stats/
it asks for usename and password.
That's right, it's blank.
Now try it in Opera. What a surprise! That's blank too...
OK, try again. What about Mozilla? Blank again.
Last shot, let's try Dillo. No, that's blank too...
Wait a minute. Why hasn't any other Slashdot reader noticed this already? You can't all be using Internet Exploder, can you?
I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
ftp://198.63.57.204/pub/ws_ftp/ws_ftp.txt
For transferring files to or from our servers, we recommend using an
excellent shareware program for Windows called WS_FTP. You can download
this program at http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/WS_FTP/
That's nothing.. RMS sent me a
Why the hell did they put OpenVMS on the list of commercial Unix systems??
After I got a good laugh yesterday from all of this, and then seeing thewayin thing(being that I am a huge linux fan), I almost pissed my pants. This is great. But I went to wehavethewayout.com again just now to give it a good look and laugh once again and it appears to be gone. I reloaded many a time, and then looked at the source...it was infact gone. Good. But thewayin is still up and I say awesome.
This is intriguing/interesting and well said, this is not a troll. Please correct this censorship. Thank you, and please don't use mod points to exclude alterior viewpoints.
put the what in the where?
just point an ftp at the new site...its all open in one of the directories is a passwd file!!!
LinuxWorx
Spelling errors are intentional as are gramatical error
An guess: the designers (who we know were a non-MS group) were using MySQL to store the information on logged-in users... you have to log in to use the site. So when they hastily transferred the site to an MS box they still needed to use MySQL because they didn't have time to rewrite the whole application.
Miko O'Sullivan
See, as soon as they switch from FreeBSD to Windows, it goes down. That should tell you something.
Whats intersting to me though is that right now if i try to access the FreeBSD Server running Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a (http://198.63.57.204), It pulls up the page fine. But if i try to access the Windows 2000 server running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 (http://130.94.214.143) I get a blank page. Way to go Microsoft!
is that while WeHaveTheWayOut is down, the spoof site (http://www.wehavethewayin.com/) is still up. And even pretty responsive. :-)
at this moment the way out is a white blank web-page. That would be the way out. Just turn the windows desktop blank. No one can have a problem with a blank desktop without anything on it. All microsoft needs is a keyboard without keys and a mouse without any buttons. That way windows would only need a restart once a day and not every hour.
Best of all, this isn't even an April Fools Joke! Finally something serious again :)
What I'd like to know is if they have a way out:
of being trapped by Microsoft solutions.
How the hell am I supposed to view 15 years of legacy MS Office documents and email data if I were to switch to Unix? I'm fucked. I wish I'd realized this when we settled on Microsoft.
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
lynx www.wehavethewayout.com
results in...
Alert!: HTTP/1.1 403 Access Forbidden
too bad you can't get IN to the way out. quite amusing--the switch from apache to iis and it takes less than a day for their site to go down. looks like the way out has crashed.
char *mySig;
"This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed" on IE5.1 MacOSX.
:)
Look like they meant "Wehavethewayout" literally
Would anyone use it?
When I wen to see the blank page just now, I got:
You are not authorized to view this page
Now, isn't that amusing. They don't want anyone to see the way out!
We are the Music Makers, and We are the Dreamers of Dreams...
Looks like someone already messed up the IIS configuration:
telnet 130.94.214.143 80
Trying 130.94.214.143...
Connected to www.wehavethewayout.com (130.94.214.143).
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.1
Host: www.wehavethewayout.com
HTTP/1.1 403 Access Forbidden
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 22:57:47 GMT
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 172
Luckily they can still switch back to the BSD/Apache server.
It gets even better, now it's not even showing the front page!:
telnet www.wehavethewayout.com 80
Trying 130.94.214.143...
Connected to www.wehavethewayout.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.0
Host: www.wehavethewayout.com
HTTP/1.1 403 Access Forbidden
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 23:03:35 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 172
<html><head><title>Directory Listing Denied</title></head>
<body><h1>Directory Listing Denied</h1>This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.</body></html>
You are not authorized to view this page
You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied.
If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please try to contact the Web site by using any e-mail address or phone number that may be listed on the www.wehavethewayout.com home page.
You can click Search to look for information on the Internet.
HTTP Error 403 - Forbidden
Internet Explorer
I wonder if that's fake. Why would Microsoft use VNS on a Windows 2k Advanced Server box? It has terminal services, which are slicker than VNC anyways (and MS native).
As a *nix user and a target of this campain
isn't it a little strange to block accesses
from people using Mozilla.
The old site (http://198.63.57.204) happily renders while the new MS site (http://130.94.214.143) draws a blank.
Hmm, it seems I cant get there anymore...
Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.
Did someone nail them already??
perl -e 'printf("mmm %x\n", 3735928559)'
As of 6:30 PM EST on Tuesday 4/2/02, the site now alternates failures: Blank screens, 403's, directory listing not allowed. I guess if I wanted "the way out" I wouldn't have much luck there, would I?
Speak truth to power.
You can find tested and supported applications here:
http://appdb.codeweavers.com/
It's a conspiracy...They leave the original BSD box wide open to h4x0rz in hopes that someone compromises it and creates another CNET story on how "insecure" Unix is. If it weren't so sad, I'd be ROFL.
/etc/passwd HTTP/1.0
x :652503:102:::
magnum 4:06PM % telnet 198.63.57.204 80
Trying 198.63.57.204...
Connected to 198.63.57.204.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:06:49 GMT
Server: Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9a
Last-Modified: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:16:59 GMT
ETag: "11f9f61-3d-3c98fc4b"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 61
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
root::0:1:Superuser::
ftp::201:201:::
wehav1:
Connection closed by foreign host.
zsh: 9444 exit 1 telnet 198.63.57.204 80
once they switched to MS it crashed. Here is an article about the whole thing again.
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-874132.html
Go Surf.
It's unfortunate that Slashdot mods and most Slashdot people with points to spend are completely unable to laugh at themselves and mod this up a ways.
Kickstart
I find a couple of ironies here:
h tml) has a link to "Amaze Yourself."
& q= linux
1. That when I visited the "Wehavethewayout" website, it returned:
Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.
Great -- so their website isn't even functional anymore. Did they just remove all the content very very quickly?
2. The "Wehavethewayin" website's Linux page (http://www.wehavethewayin.com/section.php/linux.
The Amaze Yourself link points to:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient
The "sourceid=navclient" section sports the fact that this webmaster used the Google Toolbar!
The Google Toolbar is only available for Internet Explorer!!
I N T E R E S T I N G . . . . . . .
Maybe they were just using the URLScan utility for securing IIS. You can change the header in that and the recommended change is to set it to show Apache/FreeBSD. That way people will leave your site alone.
Um, is anybody aware of the fact that VNC is a security risk??
N C_ passwords.html
http://www.securiteam.com/tools/Brute_forcing_V
on the wehavethewayin website, it mentions openvms under commercial unices. it was my understanding that vms was not unix based, is this wrong?
Did that recent article you mention include Mac OSX users in the totals for FreeBSD? It's just FreeBSD with a proprietary GUI on top after all. I find it hard to beleive there aren't more than 36,400 users worldwide running Mac OSX alone. It's no skin off my nose if it dies since I don't use it, but based on Netcraft web server surveys and the fact that it's currently a Mac OS makes me think it's not doing all that poorly. If you take a glance at Netcraft's web server uptime statistics you'll see the grid is littered with *BSD entries:
l
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.htm
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dilettantes. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dead
OMG no way!!! go hax0r them right away!! 31337!!!
This whole thing reminds me of the time when Microsoft released an annual report which was made on a Mac. The embedded meta-data Word puts in gave them away.
You seem to hate all the articles on slashdot. So here's a tip: go find another site.
Your incessant whining is getting rather tedious.
According to HardOCP and Netcraft, the site
www.linux64.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on
W2K.
I'd say this is a case of the pot calling the
kettle black, if you ask me...
Just change the MS site, and see if the apache site changes =)
I was reading this stuff about an hour ago, and got the directory listing not allowed message. Now, an hour later, I get:
HTTP/1.1 404 Object Not Found
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:03:41 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 111
[html][head][title]Site Not Found[/title][/head]
[body]No web site is configured at this address.[/body][/html]
You really didn't think about where you were posting this at all, did you? The entire story was about how Microsoft and Unisys were running their anti-Unix web site on a FreeBSD box. If FreeBSD is "dying", why was it chosen to host the web site in question?
Kevin,
I wish you would stop posting this crap and just move on with your life. I'm sorry that things worked out the way they did, but you gave us no choice. As it was, I spent a lot of time convincing Jon and Bill not to press charges against you for theft. I even managed to get you a week's severence.
Instead of being grateful that they gave you a break, you have become obsessed with trying to sabotage their business -- but your *BSD is dying posts are just silly. We move more CDs now than when you left. No one is calling and cancelling orders because of your anonymous messages on Slashdot.
Kevin,
I wish you would stop posting this crap and just move on with your life. I'm sorry that things worked out the way they did, but you gave us no choice. As it was, I spent a lot of time convincing Jon and Bill not to have you brought up on criminal charges. I even managed to get you a week's severence.
Instead of being grateful that they gave you a break, you have become obsessed with trying to sabotage their business -- but your *BSD is dying posts are just childish and silly. We move more CDs now than when you left. No one is cancelling orders because of your anonymous messages on Slashdot.
I think that you could still have a bright future, but if this keeps up, Jon and Bill are going to get pissed off and have you brought up on criminal charges. Is that what you want? How many jobs will you get when potential employers see a criminal record that includes the theft of company computer equipment? Jon still has the laptop that he bought back from the pawn shop along with the company's original purchase records for it. He still has printouts of the ads you put up on ebay for the DLT auto-loader and the RAID array. There are records showing that your badge was used to gain entrance to the building at 2:13AM on the day that the equipment was stolen. On top of the thefts, we also have logs showing your attempts to break into the servers using your ID the evening after you were let go.
Do you want to end up being some guy's bitch in prison? That's what may happen if you keep this up. If you think that your shopping mall karate classes are going to do you any good there, you are in for a shock.
Tim
P.S. Please don't bother with denying this, who you are, and so forth. This started practically the day after you were let go. The writing style and the Kreskin reference leaves no doubt as to who's posting this. (Like someone else is going to go to that much trouble to discredit BSD and then not sign their name! Get real.)
I saw this:
No web site is configured at this address.
using mighty wget:
wget --spider www.wehavethewayout.com
--11:49:59-- http://www.wehavethewayout.com/
=> `index.html'
Resolving www.wehavethewayout.com... done.
Connecting to www.wehavethewayout.com[130.94.214.143]:80...
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
11:50:01 ERROR 404: Not Found.
far out. :D
I'll stick with mac os x for now
Code is Speech. No to Censorship.
I can't believe I'm the first to post this - as of today, when you visit the web site, you get a short message:
"The site was not found"
So soemthing else went awry when they moved the server, or somebody went in and did a quick and dirty hack. Czech it out..
Everything has its place. We still use RPG and COBOL where I work. Not because we think they are great languages, but rather because of costs associated with a change-over. So, using that same logic, there are people out there that would prefer to use OS/400 or UNIX over Windows because of long-time familiarity and stability. Hell, we still use Pick and MentorPro in places!
Click here or here.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Is that just me? Site is down?
Kevin,
I wish you would stop posting this crap and just move on with your life. I'm sorry that things worked out the way they did, but you gave us no choice. As it was, I spent a lot of time convincing Jon and Bill not to have you brought up on criminal charges. I even managed to get you a week's severence.
Instead of being grateful that they gave you a break, you have become obsessed with trying to sabotage their business -- but your *BSD is dying posts are just childish and silly. We move more CDs now than when you left. No one is cancelling orders because of your anonymous messages on Slashdot.
I think that you could still have a bright future, but if this keeps up, Jon and Bill are going to get pissed off and have you brought up on criminal charges. Is that what you want? How many jobs will you get when potential employers see a criminal record that includes the theft of company computer equipment? Jon still has the laptop that he bought back from the pawn shop along with the company's original purchase records for it. He still has printouts of the ads you put up on ebay for the DLT auto-loader and the RAID array. There are records showing that your badge was used to gain entrance to the building at 2:13AM on the day that the equipment was stolen. On top of the thefts, we also have logs showing your attempts to break into the servers using your ID the evening after you were let go.
Do you want to end up being some guy's bitch in prison? That's what may happen if you keep this up. If you think that your shopping mall karate classes are going to do you any good there, you are in for a shock.
Tim
P.S. Please don't bother with denying this, who you are, and so forth. This started practically the day after you were let go. The writing style and the Kreskin reference leaves no doubt as to who's posting this. (Like someone else is going to go to that much trouble to discredit BSD and then not sign their name! Get real.)
Anyonce noticed wehavethewayout.com (130.94.214.143) is now returning 404 error? Hacked? It's 2:08pm CST now
2) A way of fragmenting unix/linux,
Silly me. Here I thought the BSD is dying dud, calling the OSDN Open Source and (mostly) ignoring BSD, and calling portable UNIX software linux software was the linux zealot at work.
Instead its Microsoft? Wow.
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accunts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show tht *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues t decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dead
MS followed the first rule of free marketing.
"Just spell my name right."
+1 to Microsoft's marketing team on this.
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all t wll be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purpses, *BSD is dead.
*BSD is dying
Sure, we all know that *BSD is a failure:, but why? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all knw *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?
The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting glom hangs like a death shroud over a nce hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.
It's now hosted at Unisys.com.
;-)
Funny to see they have a couple of Linux machines
with high uptime
I was guessing before, now he confessed
it's in my head
Hey, some of the gifs on wehavethewayout have 'Created with The GIMP' in them.
Interesting, I wonder how many others out there supress viewpoints like this? Pretty careless to throw that out there even as an AC, but the Israelis as a whole are not the typical.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty