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It's a situation where the Tea Party has been trying for the last 50 or more years to overthrow the government under various names like the American Liberty League, or the John Birch Society. They now are forming militias controlled by industrialists like the Koch Bro's which was a similar tactic to the one they used in the attempted coup of FDR during the infamous business plot.
Everything seems to empower the Tea Party. Every court ruling, every law passed, even after the US government defaults this would also benefit the Tea Party.
When are we going to accept that the Tea Party is a domestic terrorist group that fantasizes about having another civil war? Their policies are straight from the old south. The for profit prisons, which mean prisons are now the new plantations where corporations can have the cheapest possible labor force. These corporations also write our laws. Check out ALEC exposed to see the whole plan.
After the US defaults the Tea Party is planning to blame Obama. Now they have the legal justification to threaten Obama's life in their attempts to overthrow him. It seems like a disaster waiting to happen with the looming default, and coming economic crisis as the trigger point.
And every OS should be installable directly into the motherboard SSD chip. It should be as fast as the motherboard allows.
60GB of SSD cache ought to be enough to install any OS.
Problem is what to do if the SSD breaks? You have to replace your motherboard as well. Also, if some component on your motherboard breaks, you risk losing your data on SSD.
SSD typically will last longer than the shelf life of most motherboards. A motherboard only needs to last 5 years. SSD should last 20 years at least.
From everything I've seen and heard about the Tea Party, the vast majority of the Tea Party people are angry over the recession and have been told by that "nice man on the TV" that their problems are all caused by the government. Many of them figure that it must be true, after all they wouldn't let him say that on television if it wasn't. They're mostly not quite sure why it's the government fault, but they've been assured that there's too much government and too much taxes. So if they get rid of the government and taxes, everything has to get better.
I've seen many of the leaders of the Tea Party movement in interviews, along with various studies and polls of them. Often the Tea Party leaders are unable to present a coherent argument for their positions. The polls and surveys show that the vast majority of Tea Party people are like the angry senior who yelled "Keep your government hands off my Medicare". They are confused and either afraid or angry.
I would suspect that the majority of militia types probably have joined the Tea Party, because the Tea Party manifesto seems to dovetail nicely with the militia manifesto. But I have no basis for that other than it seems reasonable. Of course, even if they did, they'd still be a small minority in the Tea Party.
A small but very influential minority, in fact the leadership itself is probably the militias because they'd have the military expertise, the guns, and the intimidation factor to take all the positions of power and influence by force or by fear.
If we do have another civil war, the republican faction will win. Just look at who the military votes for. They're as American and apple pie with good-ol family values.
But lets assume shit really hits the fan. Civil nuclear warfare may become a new concept with devastating results. The rest of the world will be watching the news with a bowl of popcorn and rice.
America. The white-hot flame. How quickly we shined brightly. How quickly we became extinguished. Is that what you want written into their text books for all future generations of humanity to read?
Like they won the last civil war? It's not that simple. The military isn't all Republican. The military also isn't all members of the Tea Party or of militias. It's actually split fairly evenly which means we don't have any clue how it could go. We don't know how many informants there are in any of these groups. Also as a matter of funding if there is civil war both sides wont be equally funded. Who will the Tea Party and their few hundred thousand members get their funding from? The Koch bros? They'd be up against not just the US government, but possibly other governments as well.
Civil war is not fun, it's hell. Civil war is the worst possible kind of war. It's not going to be a matter of who has the most guns or who has the low level soldiers from the military because the war ultimately will be down to who has the most financial funding, who has the best weapons, who has the best position and the coastlines actually have far better positions than the middle America. The people living on the coasts can and will be able to receive trade from other nations while the people in the middle of the country will have to build everything themselves.
You forget about the fact that Arizona, Texas, Florida, are all near Mexico. Horrible positioning, as Mexico could invade during a civil war and they'd have to deal with that as well as deal with other problems. They would have some things going in their favor, but in general it would suck for all factions on all sides as the entire nation is weaker divided and foreign nations will be in a position to take full advantage of it. China, Russia, Mexico, off the top of my head.
When was the last time the ELF or ALF killed anyone?
Now look at the right and you find guys like Jarred Loughner who tried to kill a liberal politician. You have people killing abortion doctors, bombing abortion clinics, equating abortion to genocide, talking about 2nd Amendment solutions.
During a revolution you never know what to expect in the end. Look at France, look at Iran.
Bad examples. Iran especially bad example. Assuming you're talking about the 1970s revolution and not alexander the great era. Even France during the revolution, fundamentally, didn't really change much other than killing a bunch of pigs at the top, some pigs had royal blood, some pigs did not, but it didn't really matter all that much, other than as an oddity that the royals got a rare and sound smashing.
As for the tea party types, come on, think about it. Look at who they hang out with, to see who they like. I feel extremely confident taking the completely wild guess that a fundamentalist christian theocracy is a somewhat more likely outcome, than say a Buddhist monarchy or Sharia law.
Thru current media and govt propaganda, with the assistance of the media, I'm not even sure formalizing the christian theocracy would really change all that much. We already have an informal christian theocratic / fascistic state. For example, instead of politicians being required by the media to be Christian, they would in addition have some redundant law requiring it. Would it really change anything for 99% of the population? Probably not. Back to American Idol, now wearing slightly less skimpy outfits. Who cares.
And you want that fundamentalist Christian theocracy? I don't. And I'm sure millions of people around the country don't. So they'll never have that without a civil war and they basically know it.
If we already have a christian theocratic fascist state it proves my point that the Tea Party has infiltrated government. But I don't think it's as bad now under Obama as it would be under Palin or Bachmann. They'd f)(ck our country up.
It's always hilarious when liberals turn pro-America and want the FBI to imprison dissidents for sedition.
Or support free speech, so long as they agree with it, and voting rights, only for people they deem smart enough to vote.
What does free speech and liberals have to do with any of my posts? I never said I was for liberals, or against. And I never said I was against free speech. I said specifically I'm against the Tea Party, and that specific type of conservatism, because they are destructive to the nation itself.
It's always hilarious when liberals turn pro-America and want the FBI to imprison dissidents for sedition. It was a phenomenon unknown before three years ago. Dissent is patriotism, remember? Forgot already, did we? Obama's mentor, Ayers, founded a violent leftist group that detonated a bomb in the US Capitol building.
P.S. You've gotten your arguments confused: the "left and right are the same" argument is reserved for use defending outrageous acts by liberals.
Only I'm not a liberal, I'm a rationalist. I don't want to have a civil war because I care about people in this country. If that makes me pro American then so be it. What do you expect? I live here. I have friends and family here. Damn right I'm pro American. Why the hell aren't you?
If it takes the FBI to protect America from civil war so be it, and I don't even like the FBI all that much. Just because there are extremists on the left who want civil war it does not mean I support those extremists either. Anyone who is pushing for civil war is pushing to get people killed. Those people may include people I care about so f*ck civil war and anyone pushing or it.
I think you are basically correct. One thing the Tea Party fails to understand is that they do not actually have a mandate. They were born in a crisis, but they have yet to stand for election in how well they manage to alleviate that crisis. They could easily get booted in the next election and merely be a footnote in history.
I don't think the emphasis on fiscal responsibility is the sum total of the Tea Party, at least to hear them talk. The plan to turn Medicare over to the insurance companies was not an entirely fiscal plan. It is loaded with the politics of taking the government out of health care. And it wouldn't actually fix the rise in health care spending, just change who pays for it, and who suffers from it.
A balanced budget amendment is another wookie defense. It sounds good, but it would have prevented the U.S. from mobilizing as it had to during WWII.
I heard a good snippet from a press conference/book advert of Thomas Friedman. It turned out Alan Simpson was in the audience. Someone quipped maybe Simpson and Erskine Bowles should run as a presidential-vp presidential team. The notion got a long, loud applause. Hear, hear, let some adults take control. Simpson mentioned that they calculated there was $1.1 Trillion in tax expenditures. In case you've been brain dead for the last year, a "tax expenditure" is a tax loophole.
If the Tea Party does not have the mandate who is going to stop them? If the FBI isn't going to stop them then who? And if they aren't stopped and the US defaults that is unacceptable.
Ok... You're drinking a bit too much of the KoS koolaid. The "Tea Party" is hardly armed to the teeth. It hardly even exists in an organized sense. You're cherry picking phrases and grandstanding because your positions are not popular enough to carry Congress. Sorry... Sucks to be you. Elections have consequences.
I'm not a member at DailyKos. This is Slashdot. And my opinion of the Tea Party is based on my own research into the Tea Party. They existed long before they called themselves the Tea Party. They've been trying to launch coups and the best way to launch a coup is to stop paying taxes so they want to not have to pay any taxes at all if it were up to them.
They want the government out of everything because they are an anti-government movement not because they want limited government. They don't set any real limits do they? They wouldn't mind reducing defense, healthcare, social security, even if they know ultimately this will cost the country more than if they pay for it.
They appreciate the crappy economy and don't want a strong economy because then Alex Jones, Ron Paul and the Tea Party will lose support of the mainstream.
Oh give me a freaking break. You're comparing the Fascist takeover attempt within the military back in the days of Smedley Butler to the Tea Party? That's utterly silly. You simply don't understand how a coup works. It is a measure that is carried out within the government, not without.
You don't think the Tea Party has infiltrated the US government? The Tea Party themselves admit it in this video.
The reason why Smedly Butler uncovered the conspiracy is that it was within his own ranks, and they tried to recruit him to go along with it.
And you don't think the Tea Party is trying to coup Obama? They wont even admit Obama is an American citizen. Nor do they want to pay taxes. And some of the same last names from the same big corporations are involved as were involved with the American Liberty League led coup.
Now, trying to pin Butler with FDR is a bit silly as well. He did it for America, not for FDR. Smedly Butler wrote a nice essay called "War is a Racket" (I'd highly recommend it) regarding the war that FDR was waging and really disliked FDR in every way. ..
And I'm sure many Generals dislike Obama. The point is there are Tea Party militias deliberately recruiting from the military ranks. The FBI specifically says the Tea Party represents the biggest threat to the USA since Al Qaeda. See for yourself here:
So either you are wrong about the danger the Tea Party poses or Robert Mueller/FBI Director is wrong.
so yeah. ..
Why in the hell would there be the need to have a coup in America to install a Fascist system? We're already highly fascist.
And who is to blame for that? Maybe just maybe the Tea Party operatives are more thoroughly infiltrated into government than you think they are. You do realize they control the congress right? Or are you one of those tin foil wearing conspiracy theorists who believes Obama is a fascist and Bush is an alien?
If someone wanted a Fascist America, all they'd have to do is pop on American Idol and just let things run their course unimpeded.
The FBI has always gone after any protest group, right wing or left wing. They go after environmentalist organizations, anti-war groups, small government groups, libertarians, animal rights guys, anti nuclear energy groups. . . they even went after civil rights groups in the 1960s.
And do you know why? Because of the continuous threat of coup attempts. They went after these groups (usually) to prevent civil unrest, to prevent civil war. The majority of the groups they conduct counter intelligence on are actual revolutionary groups who view the US government as illegitimate. Of course sometimes they get it wrong and I'm not defending the actions of the FBI on every case. The FBI can be corrupted just like any organization but in this specific time and in this specific case with regard to the Tea Party, the FBI is actually in a position to prevent an actual civil war.
They had files on any public figure that had any opinion left or right on politics, harrassing and possible worse against such figures such as Ernest Hemmingway, Bob Marley, John Lennon, George Carlin, and even Martin Luther King Jr.
And where did you see me defending these actions? I don't.
The Tea Party has nothing to do with militias. It's something that was started to support Ron Paul's 2008 Presidential campaign,
The militia movement stronghold is in Texas. The Tea Party strong hold is in Texas. Alex Jones is in Texas. Ron Paul is in Texas. Ron Paul has appeared on Alex Jones in Texas. Either Ron Paul is appealing to the sovereign citizens movement and m
It's easier said than done. A lot of these Tea Party members will decide simply not to pay taxes at all. The government then will have to do what? Raid their compounds? They are armed to the teeth. It's not as simple of a scenario as to what the US Constitution says but this does give Obama a basis to do whatever is necessary to prevent a dafault.
Where would Obama get the money to pass the budget if the congress doesn't sign? The congress is controlled by the Tea Party so despite what the Constitution says Obama is still in a hostage situation where he can either use force (trigger a civil war), use pressure, or make a compromise. He has chosen to make a compromise.
It's not the goal of Tea Party Republicans to get re-elected. The majority of them are operatives for the Tea Party, which is controlled by militia operatives. They want to overthrow the US government itself even if it means launching a civil war.
They are deliberately trying to create an economic crisis because that is the best way to trigger a civil war. They already have the guns, they have the organization(militias) built up, they are ready. The sad thing is most American citizens aren't ready for it or don't want it. But when enough American citizens lose their careers, their jobs, and have no government benefits whatsoever to count on, no unemployment, no welfare, no food stamps, no anything, then the militias can give them one last job.
It's a recruitment tactic. The US government uses the same tactic of sanctions when it wants to overthrow a dictator. It's also because the Tea Party militias are tired of funding the government which is trying to investigate and crush them despite the fact that they've infiltrated the US government and control many politicians, there are still FBI agents who want to crush the Tea Part movement or any extremist movement that seeks to violently overthrow the government or cause a civil war.
Well, I have an idea. The Tea Party supporters who don't already live in the Southeastern United States (aka The Confederacy) can all move there and let the people who don't want to be a part of it emigrate to another part of the country. Then, the Southeast can secede from the Union again. I swear, we won't stop you this time!
Currently the federal government (the FBI) plans to investigate the hell out of them. Investigations for the most petty offenses. Informants within their ranks as well. The Tea Party will likely end up like the Black Panther Party. But only if the economy gets better and people can find jobs and grow out of their revolutionary mindsets. When there are no jobs, there simply isn't going to be a better option for most of these people but the option to fight.
Is your tinfoil hat on too tight? I just want to know if it hurts while wearing it.... Remember shiny side out...
That tactic only works when someone is critical of government. I'm being critical of anti-government extremists on the right.
Maybe you should tell your buddies in the Tea Party to remove their tin foil hats. Aren't they the ones collecting guns and forming militias across the country?
Because people will fight when their money is cut. And spending cuts, or default, would result in a huge amount of people having their money cut, a huge amount of people unemployed.
Repeating it doesn't make it true. Nice that you continue to post these things, though.:-)
Would you like the litany of fringe groups in the Democratic Party posted too? Balance the fringe out? The point is, ironically, that there are always groups like these and no, they are not any more powerful than they were last election cycle. But it's fun to pretend, isn't it?
Go for it. Post all the fringe groups.
It's the Tea Party that is currently fucking with the budget. So while you can post left wing fringe groups, you and I both know they aren't the ones responsible for the current crisis.
Ok, you realize this is a play right out of Saul Alinsky and Mao Zedong? For those of you who don't know (and who doesn't?) the way it worked was: the people don't realize they're oppressed. They need to be liberated and enjoy the benefits of a socialist government. We, the good guys, need to nudge the people along the holy path to goodness. So, we attack the government, the government attacks back, but we, the good people, make sure we're nowhere around so that the retaliation falls on innocents. These people, having been harmed by our provocations, provide recruits and financing for further revenge-motivated attacks. Repeat, etc. Dividing the country into factions? It's already happened, and it was done by leftists. You didn't see that map after the 2008 election: every state who voted the correct way was labeled "America" and the states who dissented were labeled "Dumbfuckistan".
Doesn't it suck when the enemy learns and uses your own tactics against you?
Unlike you I realize that governments are oppressive. And unlike you I realize the Tea Party if they manage to overthrow the current US government would result in an even more oppressive government than anything we have ever had. The government we have isn't perfect but at least we know what to expect and what not to expect. During a revolution you never know what to expect in the end. Look at France, look at Iran.
And I'm not saying the factions don't exist, these factions always exist. I'm saying what the Tea Party is doing, and if the nation defaults, it could take a nation that votes to solve it's problems within the legal system and turn it into a nation fighting a life and death physical war to solve it's problems. When you cut people off social security, off welfare, off healthcare, and pursue policies which can raise unemployment over 20% (a default could do just that), then you are setting the stage not for just a minor political dispute which can be solved non-violently, but a life and death struggle for control of the country itself very much like what happened in the last US Civil War.
I personally don't want to see my friends and family members die in a civil war. And I doubt you want to see that either. The extreme left and extreme right are willing to die and kill for ideology, and they could very well push the entire nation into factions. To put it blunt, millions of people will fight when their lives are threatened, and cutting people off social programs directly threatens lives. When you do this you will almost guarantee that some radical left or right wing group is going to recruit these left behind people. The vast majority of them will be young people as the unemployment rate is very high too, and also they will be educated people because these are college graduates who can't find jobs.
So you'll have a bunch of really smart, perhaps even brilliant educated professions who will be unemployed. Can you be surprised when you see groups like Lulz Sec and Anonymous forming and hacking everything? These aren't stupid people, these are intellectuals. And if the US defaults it will get much worse as the extremists will have even more gifted, more educated, smarter, people to choose from.
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Also include the drag war mandatory sentences, and possibly the upcoming cyberwar on piracy.
He didn't kill anybody, but he's in prison for life because people believe he gave the command.
When someone says a sentence like that how do we know it isn't a command coming from a militia leader? Remember Hal Turner?
It's a situation where the Tea Party has been trying for the last 50 or more years to overthrow the government under various names like the American Liberty League, or the John Birch Society. They now are forming militias controlled by industrialists like the Koch Bro's which was a similar tactic to the one they used in the attempted coup of FDR during the infamous business plot.
And of course that resulted in COINTELPRO.
Everything seems to empower the Tea Party. Every court ruling, every law passed, even after the US government defaults this would also benefit the Tea Party.
When are we going to accept that the Tea Party is a domestic terrorist group that fantasizes about having another civil war?
Their policies are straight from the old south. The for profit prisons, which mean prisons are now the new plantations where corporations can have the cheapest possible labor force. These corporations also write our laws. Check out ALEC exposed to see the whole plan.
After the US defaults the Tea Party is planning to blame Obama. Now they have the legal justification to threaten Obama's life in their attempts to overthrow him. It seems like a disaster waiting to happen with the looming default, and coming economic crisis as the trigger point.
Which would explain why the US government is usually the target.
It should be obvious that most Anon's are foreign nationals, or from places like Europe, China, Russia, etc.
Most Anon's are focused only on hacking the US/Western establishment. That being said there have been Anon's who were American nationals.
And every OS should be installable directly into the motherboard SSD chip. It should be as fast as the motherboard allows.
60GB of SSD cache ought to be enough to install any OS.
Problem is what to do if the SSD breaks? You have to replace your motherboard as well. Also, if some component on your motherboard breaks, you risk losing your data on SSD.
SSD typically will last longer than the shelf life of most motherboards. A motherboard only needs to last 5 years. SSD should last 20 years at least.
And every OS should be installable directly into the motherboard SSD chip. It should be as fast as the motherboard allows.
60GB of SSD cache ought to be enough to install any OS.
Actually, I don't think that's factually correct.
From everything I've seen and heard about the Tea Party, the vast majority of the Tea Party people are angry over the recession and have been told by that "nice man on the TV" that their problems are all caused by the government. Many of them figure that it must be true, after all they wouldn't let him say that on television if it wasn't. They're mostly not quite sure why it's the government fault, but they've been assured that there's too much government and too much taxes. So if they get rid of the government and taxes, everything has to get better.
I've seen many of the leaders of the Tea Party movement in interviews, along with various studies and polls of them. Often the Tea Party leaders are unable to present a coherent argument for their positions. The polls and surveys show that the vast majority of Tea Party people are like the angry senior who yelled "Keep your government hands off my Medicare". They are confused and either afraid or angry.
I would suspect that the majority of militia types probably have joined the Tea Party, because the Tea Party manifesto seems to dovetail nicely with the militia manifesto. But I have no basis for that other than it seems reasonable. Of course, even if they did, they'd still be a small minority in the Tea Party.
A small but very influential minority, in fact the leadership itself is probably the militias because they'd have the military expertise, the guns, and the intimidation factor to take all the positions of power and influence by force or by fear.
If we do have another civil war, the republican faction will win. Just look at who the military votes for. They're as American and apple pie with good-ol family values.
But lets assume shit really hits the fan. Civil nuclear warfare may become a new concept with devastating results. The rest of the world will be watching the news with a bowl of popcorn and rice.
America. The white-hot flame. How quickly we shined brightly. How quickly we became extinguished. Is that what you want written into their text books for all future generations of humanity to read?
Like they won the last civil war? It's not that simple. The military isn't all Republican. The military also isn't all members of the Tea Party or of militias. It's actually split fairly evenly which means we don't have any clue how it could go. We don't know how many informants there are in any of these groups. Also as a matter of funding if there is civil war both sides wont be equally funded. Who will the Tea Party and their few hundred thousand members get their funding from? The Koch bros? They'd be up against not just the US government, but possibly other governments as well.
Civil war is not fun, it's hell. Civil war is the worst possible kind of war. It's not going to be a matter of who has the most guns or who has the low level soldiers from the military because the war ultimately will be down to who has the most financial funding, who has the best weapons, who has the best position and the coastlines actually have far better positions than the middle America. The people living on the coasts can and will be able to receive trade from other nations while the people in the middle of the country will have to build everything themselves.
You forget about the fact that Arizona, Texas, Florida, are all near Mexico. Horrible positioning, as Mexico could invade during a civil war and they'd have to deal with that as well as deal with other problems. They would have some things going in their favor, but in general it would suck for all factions on all sides as the entire nation is weaker divided and foreign nations will be in a position to take full advantage of it. China, Russia, Mexico, off the top of my head.
When was the last time the ELF or ALF killed anyone?
Now look at the right and you find guys like Jarred Loughner who tried to kill a liberal politician. You have people killing abortion doctors, bombing abortion clinics, equating abortion to genocide, talking about 2nd Amendment solutions.
During a revolution you never know what to expect in the end. Look at France, look at Iran.
Bad examples. Iran especially bad example. Assuming you're talking about the 1970s revolution and not alexander the great era. Even France during the revolution, fundamentally, didn't really change much other than killing a bunch of pigs at the top, some pigs had royal blood, some pigs did not, but it didn't really matter all that much, other than as an oddity that the royals got a rare and sound smashing.
As for the tea party types, come on, think about it. Look at who they hang out with, to see who they like. I feel extremely confident taking the completely wild guess that a fundamentalist christian theocracy is a somewhat more likely outcome, than say a Buddhist monarchy or Sharia law.
Thru current media and govt propaganda, with the assistance of the media, I'm not even sure formalizing the christian theocracy would really change all that much. We already have an informal christian theocratic / fascistic state. For example, instead of politicians being required by the media to be Christian, they would in addition have some redundant law requiring it. Would it really change anything for 99% of the population? Probably not. Back to American Idol, now wearing slightly less skimpy outfits. Who cares.
And you want that fundamentalist Christian theocracy? I don't. And I'm sure millions of people around the country don't. So they'll never have that without a civil war and they basically know it.
If we already have a christian theocratic fascist state it proves my point that the Tea Party has infiltrated government. But I don't think it's as bad now under Obama as it would be under Palin or Bachmann. They'd f)(ck our country up.
It's always hilarious when liberals turn pro-America and want the FBI to imprison dissidents for sedition.
Or support free speech, so long as they agree with it, and voting rights, only for people they deem smart enough to vote.
What does free speech and liberals have to do with any of my posts? I never said I was for liberals, or against. And I never said I was against free speech. I said specifically I'm against the Tea Party, and that specific type of conservatism, because they are destructive to the nation itself.
It's always hilarious when liberals turn pro-America and want the FBI to imprison dissidents for sedition. It was a phenomenon unknown before three years ago. Dissent is patriotism, remember? Forgot already, did we? Obama's mentor, Ayers, founded a violent leftist group that detonated a bomb in the US Capitol building.
P.S. You've gotten your arguments confused: the "left and right are the same" argument is reserved for use defending outrageous acts by liberals.
Only I'm not a liberal, I'm a rationalist. I don't want to have a civil war because I care about people in this country. If that makes me pro American then so be it. What do you expect? I live here. I have friends and family here. Damn right I'm pro American. Why the hell aren't you?
If it takes the FBI to protect America from civil war so be it, and I don't even like the FBI all that much. Just because there are extremists on the left who want civil war it does not mean I support those extremists either. Anyone who is pushing for civil war is pushing to get people killed. Those people may include people I care about so f*ck civil war and anyone pushing or it.
I think you are basically correct. One thing the Tea Party fails to understand is that they do not actually have a mandate. They were born in a crisis, but they have yet to stand for election in how well they manage to alleviate that crisis. They could easily get booted in the next election and merely be a footnote in history.
I don't think the emphasis on fiscal responsibility is the sum total of the Tea Party, at least to hear them talk. The plan to turn Medicare over to the insurance companies was not an entirely fiscal plan. It is loaded with the politics of taking the government out of health care. And it wouldn't actually fix the rise in health care spending, just change who pays for it, and who suffers from it.
A balanced budget amendment is another wookie defense. It sounds good, but it would have prevented the U.S. from mobilizing as it had to during WWII.
I heard a good snippet from a press conference/book advert of Thomas Friedman. It turned out Alan Simpson was in the audience. Someone quipped maybe Simpson and Erskine Bowles should run as a presidential-vp presidential team. The notion got a long, loud applause. Hear, hear, let some adults take control. Simpson mentioned that they calculated there was $1.1 Trillion in tax expenditures. In case you've been brain dead for the last year, a "tax expenditure" is a tax loophole.
If the Tea Party does not have the mandate who is going to stop them? If the FBI isn't going to stop them then who? And if they aren't stopped and the US defaults that is unacceptable.
Ok... You're drinking a bit too much of the KoS koolaid. The "Tea Party" is hardly armed to the teeth. It hardly even exists in an organized sense. You're cherry picking phrases and grandstanding because your positions are not popular enough to carry Congress. Sorry... Sucks to be you. Elections have consequences.
I'm not a member at DailyKos. This is Slashdot. And my opinion of the Tea Party is based on my own research into the Tea Party. They existed long before they called themselves the Tea Party. They've been trying to launch coups and the best way to launch a coup is to stop paying taxes so they want to not have to pay any taxes at all if it were up to them.
They want the government out of everything because they are an anti-government movement not because they want limited government. They don't set any real limits do they? They wouldn't mind reducing defense, healthcare, social security, even if they know ultimately this will cost the country more than if they pay for it.
They appreciate the crappy economy and don't want a strong economy because then Alex Jones, Ron Paul and the Tea Party will lose support of the mainstream.
Oh give me a freaking break. You're comparing the Fascist takeover attempt within the military back in the days of Smedley Butler to the Tea Party? That's utterly silly. You simply don't understand how a coup works. It is a measure that is carried out within the government, not without.
You don't think the Tea Party has infiltrated the US government? The Tea Party themselves admit it in this video.
The reason why Smedly Butler uncovered the conspiracy is that it was within his own ranks, and they tried to recruit him to go along with it.
And you don't think the Tea Party is trying to coup Obama? They wont even admit Obama is an American citizen. Nor do they want to pay taxes. And some of the same last names from the same big corporations are involved as were involved with the American Liberty League led coup.
Now, trying to pin Butler with FDR is a bit silly as well. He did it for America, not for FDR. Smedly Butler wrote a nice essay called "War is a Racket" (I'd highly recommend it) regarding the war that FDR was waging and really disliked FDR in every way. . .
And I'm sure many Generals dislike Obama. The point is there are Tea Party militias deliberately recruiting from the military ranks. The FBI specifically says the Tea Party represents the biggest threat to the USA since Al Qaeda. See for yourself here:
So either you are wrong about the danger the Tea Party poses or Robert Mueller/FBI Director is wrong.
so yeah. . .
Why in the hell would there be the need to have a coup in America to install a Fascist system? We're already highly fascist.
And who is to blame for that? Maybe just maybe the Tea Party operatives are more thoroughly infiltrated into government than you think they are. You do realize they control the congress right? Or are you one of those tin foil wearing conspiracy theorists who believes Obama is a fascist and Bush is an alien?
If someone wanted a Fascist America, all they'd have to do is pop on American Idol and just let things run their course unimpeded.
The FBI has always gone after any protest group, right wing or left wing. They go after environmentalist organizations, anti-war groups, small government groups, libertarians, animal rights guys, anti nuclear energy groups. . . they even went after civil rights groups in the 1960s.
And do you know why? Because of the continuous threat of coup attempts. They went after these groups (usually) to prevent civil unrest, to prevent civil war. The majority of the groups they conduct counter intelligence on are actual revolutionary groups who view the US government as illegitimate. Of course sometimes they get it wrong and I'm not defending the actions of the FBI on every case. The FBI can be corrupted just like any organization but in this specific time and in this specific case with regard to the Tea Party, the FBI is actually in a position to prevent an actual civil war.
They had files on any public figure that had any opinion left or right on politics, harrassing and possible worse against such figures such as Ernest Hemmingway, Bob Marley, John Lennon, George Carlin, and even Martin Luther King Jr.
And where did you see me defending these actions? I don't.
The Tea Party has nothing to do with militias. It's something that was started to support Ron Paul's 2008 Presidential campaign,
The militia movement stronghold is in Texas. The Tea Party strong hold is in Texas. Alex Jones is in Texas. Ron Paul is in Texas. Ron Paul has appeared on Alex Jones in Texas. Either Ron Paul is appealing to the sovereign citizens movement and m
It's easier said than done. A lot of these Tea Party members will decide simply not to pay taxes at all. The government then will have to do what? Raid their compounds? They are armed to the teeth. It's not as simple of a scenario as to what the US Constitution says but this does give Obama a basis to do whatever is necessary to prevent a dafault.
Where would Obama get the money to pass the budget if the congress doesn't sign? The congress is controlled by the Tea Party so despite what the Constitution says Obama is still in a hostage situation where he can either use force (trigger a civil war), use pressure, or make a compromise. He has chosen to make a compromise.
It's not the goal of Tea Party Republicans to get re-elected. The majority of them are operatives for the Tea Party, which is controlled by militia operatives. They want to overthrow the US government itself even if it means launching a civil war.
They are deliberately trying to create an economic crisis because that is the best way to trigger a civil war. They already have the guns, they have the organization(militias) built up, they are ready. The sad thing is most American citizens aren't ready for it or don't want it. But when enough American citizens lose their careers, their jobs, and have no government benefits whatsoever to count on, no unemployment, no welfare, no food stamps, no anything, then the militias can give them one last job.
It's a recruitment tactic. The US government uses the same tactic of sanctions when it wants to overthrow a dictator. It's also because the Tea Party militias are tired of funding the government which is trying to investigate and crush them despite the fact that they've infiltrated the US government and control many politicians, there are still FBI agents who want to crush the Tea Part movement or any extremist movement that seeks to violently overthrow the government or cause a civil war.
Well, I have an idea. The Tea Party supporters who don't already live in the Southeastern United States (aka The Confederacy) can all move there and let the people who don't want to be a part of it emigrate to another part of the country. Then, the Southeast can secede from the Union again. I swear, we won't stop you this time!
Currently the federal government (the FBI) plans to investigate the hell out of them. Investigations for the most petty offenses. Informants within their ranks as well. The Tea Party will likely end up like the Black Panther Party. But only if the economy gets better and people can find jobs and grow out of their revolutionary mindsets. When there are no jobs, there simply isn't going to be a better option for most of these people but the option to fight.
Is your tinfoil hat on too tight? I just want to know if it hurts while wearing it.... Remember shiny side out...
That tactic only works when someone is critical of government. I'm being critical of anti-government extremists on the right.
Maybe you should tell your buddies in the Tea Party to remove their tin foil hats. Aren't they the ones collecting guns and forming militias across the country?
What? Why?
Because people will fight when their money is cut. And spending cuts, or default, would result in a huge amount of people having their money cut, a huge amount of people unemployed.
Repeating it doesn't make it true. Nice that you continue to post these things, though. :-)
Would you like the litany of fringe groups in the Democratic Party posted too? Balance the fringe out? The point is, ironically, that there are always groups like these and no, they are not any more powerful than they were last election cycle. But it's fun to pretend, isn't it?
Go for it. Post all the fringe groups.
It's the Tea Party that is currently fucking with the budget. So while you can post left wing fringe groups, you and I both know they aren't the ones responsible for the current crisis.
Let me guess, you represent the Tea Party?
Ok, you realize this is a play right out of Saul Alinsky and Mao Zedong? For those of you who don't know (and who doesn't?) the way it worked was: the people don't realize they're oppressed. They need to be liberated and enjoy the benefits of a socialist government. We, the good guys, need to nudge the people along the holy path to goodness. So, we attack the government, the government attacks back, but we, the good people, make sure we're nowhere around so that the retaliation falls on innocents. These people, having been harmed by our provocations, provide recruits and financing for further revenge-motivated attacks. Repeat, etc. Dividing the country into factions? It's already happened, and it was done by leftists. You didn't see that map after the 2008 election: every state who voted the correct way was labeled "America" and the states who dissented were labeled "Dumbfuckistan".
Doesn't it suck when the enemy learns and uses your own tactics against you?
Unlike you I realize that governments are oppressive. And unlike you I realize the Tea Party if they manage to overthrow the current US government would result in an even more oppressive government than anything we have ever had. The government we have isn't perfect but at least we know what to expect and what not to expect. During a revolution you never know what to expect in the end. Look at France, look at Iran.
And I'm not saying the factions don't exist, these factions always exist. I'm saying what the Tea Party is doing, and if the nation defaults, it could take a nation that votes to solve it's problems within the legal system and turn it into a nation fighting a life and death physical war to solve it's problems. When you cut people off social security, off welfare, off healthcare, and pursue policies which can raise unemployment over 20% (a default could do just that), then you are setting the stage not for just a minor political dispute which can be solved non-violently, but a life and death struggle for control of the country itself very much like what happened in the last US Civil War.
I personally don't want to see my friends and family members die in a civil war. And I doubt you want to see that either.
The extreme left and extreme right are willing to die and kill for ideology, and they could very well push the entire nation into factions. To put it blunt, millions of people will fight when their lives are threatened, and cutting people off social programs directly threatens lives. When you do this you will almost guarantee that some radical left or right wing group is going to recruit these left behind people. The vast majority of them will be young people as the unemployment rate is very high too, and also they will be educated people because these are college graduates who can't find jobs.
So you'll have a bunch of really smart, perhaps even brilliant educated professions who will be unemployed. Can you be surprised when you see groups like Lulz Sec and Anonymous forming and hacking everything? These aren't stupid people, these are intellectuals. And if the US defaults it will get much worse as the extremists will have even more gifted, more educated, smarter, people to choose from.