It probably works like anyone who has information leading to the arrest and conviction of Julian Assange will receive $100,000.
So a lot of people Julian may think or thought were his friends will take the money. His ex gfs, his own family members even. It's never wise to piss off the US gov.
Copyrights and patents must be abolished, they are part of the death of economies, just like governments regulations, taxes, subsidies, wars, corporate involvement, corruption, stimulus borrowing/printing/spending and bailouts.
All of the above things are killing the economies, these things are making industrialized world uncompetitive and jobs are leaving and no amount of cash can be spent to make the industrialized world competitive again ever because the reason cannot be simply removed by spending.
The reason of the underlying structural breakage of economy is lack of useful production/manufacturing jobs, whose loss has resulted from lack of competitiveness. Competition is the only correct solution to this problem, and copyrights, patents, regulations, wage laws, taxes, subsidies, bailouts, stimulus, wars, corporate corruption are all tied to one main entity: government.
Government is the ultimate force with the power to compel people to do what they do not want to do, and it does so because it craves power, through people who join the government because they crave power, and for them gov't is the ultimate way to get power and money by sharing with corporate friends.
Government involvement in economy must be removed completely and that is the only way to remove incentives to corrupt the government, spending all the money in the world on buying the gov't should NOT buy you a free ride and destruction and structural removal of any competition.
This comment is the actual answer to the question: what the fuck happened to the economy?
That is unrealistic. Copyright and patents should not be abolished. They just shouldn't last forever. They should last X amount of years that society agrees upon, not an arbitrary number decided by the copyright holders themselves but a number of years decided by that individual culture or that society.
Now is really the time to get encrypted, decentralized networks with Onion routing working at a practical level and not just for academic enjoyment. I've had great expectations in GNUnet, but apparently it is pretty hard to port. Freenet has also never convinced me whenever I tried it. Are the technical obstacles really so hard to overcome? What about pervasive email encryption with automatic installation and more widespread use of SSL? What is holding all these technologies back?
Once something is made significantly illegal and if the government is motivated enough, they'll pay their informants to infiltrate your private encrypted network and capture the IP addresses that way. The informants will host the exit nodes.
In the current job I'm in, one of the requirements was knowledge of some CRM software. I downloaded the free copy, poked around in it for twenty minutes, and updated my resume to say I had experience in it. It wasn't any different than the five other CRMs I had messed around in one capacity or another over the preceding ten years. It would be one thing if they were demanding experience in Netware, or something like that that I had minimal experience in, so I wouldn't pull that kind of a stunt in that category, but all in all, it's all the same. You don't want guys with just niche knowledge, unless you're dealing with pretty esoteric systems. You want guys with good familiarity in whatever area you require them in.
I'm talking a new college graduate. If you have 10 years experience already you aren't the one I'm talking about. Also usually they want experience in software which is proprietary and they want you to have very esoteric business specific knowledge.
College is not supposed to be vocational training. College ensures a good foundation, and hopefully some work ethic and study skills. Nobody comes out of college knowing everything they need to do their job. They come out of college knowing everything they need to be readily trained.
College for my generation is what highschool was to previous generations. Only college costs $50,000 while highschool was free. Yeah thats progress...
The last thing we need is for mundane society to catch up with the trend...
Yes, what he said. Please, for the love of God, do not spread knowledge! Keep us elites strong, and let the masses rot! The last thing we want is an economy that can keep up. When the ship goes down, I want to be the rat sitting on the tallest mast.
College isn't free. The people who go to college who seek only knowledge are already elite enough to be able to pay for it. The people who educate themselves don't need to go to college to learn this stuff. So once again you assume all those college degrees have helped the economy or the internet ecosystem and they haven't. The only thing it has done was raise the barrier of entry. Now any kid who has talent and knowledge will be ignored in favor of the mediocre kid from mundane society with a degree or two.
The last thing we need is for mundane society to catch up with the trend and stifle it like they did to the web and are trying to do with the internet. The more they catch up the more jobs they ship overseas, the more middle management we end up with, the slower growth becomes, the less profitable it is for small business owners, and the more big business monopolies corner the market.
I hope they never catch up. I hope it's wave after wave after wave. It's better to ride the waves and surf the trends than to let the internet become controlled by the MPAA/RIAA like TV, Radio and a lot of other technologies.
It doesn't apply to Obama. The leader is ultimately responsible for the work done in their name. If Obama gave the CIA carte blanche to take care of the situation, then he is the one ultimately responsible.
Note: I voted for Obama, and I think he gets blamed for a lot of things that are outside of his, or anyones for that matter, control. If this is a CIA operation he IS responsible.
It's the CIA's mission to stop individuals like Julian Assange. The CIA is supposed to be focused on foreign nationals and foreign spies. Julian Assanges organization "Wikileaks" has committed the initial crime which triggered the CIA/NSA/FBI response. It's a bit late now to blame Obama as if Obama could have stopped whatever the response is. If it's true that Assange's documents influence or reveal CIA sources this would equate to Assange attacking the CIA itself because if the sources get killed it hurts the mission and the effort.
This is not good for Julian Assange. What do you expect Obama to do? Tell the CIA to leave Julian Assange alone? On what basis? Julian Assange isn't an American citizen.
Nobody can completely control an agency like the CIA or FBI.
The agency is so compartmentalized that other people who work at the agency don't know what their co-workers are doing. How do you expect the President to know?
If it's black ops probably only the people involved with it know whats going on. That would mean nobody would have the details of exactly how Julian Assange is to be stopped except the people assigned to the task of stopping him. So I don't think we can ever blame the President or the Director of the CIA for what goes on.
Even if Swedens law enforcement doesn't want to, if the bribes are big enough and offered often enough, corruption will take over and Julian Assange will be arrested for being Julian Assange. This stuff happens in the USA, it probably happens everywhere.
At the end of the day, I'm driving home and hear on the radio that Assange is no longer a suspect and that the case has been dropped. I find this even more incredible than the initial news. To be exhonerated in less than 24 hours is incredibly dramatic. I couldn't believe what I was hearing once again.
There's pretty much only one way to read into these events. There must have been a conspiracy to destroy Wikileaks through the character assassination of Assange. There can be only one suspect for who was behind it: the U.S. government.
If there were anyone left in the world who could reasonably doubt that the U.S. government wasn't corrupt, didn't play dirty, didn't abuse its power, didn't lie as it suited them, and wasn't what Orwell warned us about in 1984 and Animal Farm, if they were within the reach of the mainstream media yesterday, that should have been their wake-up call.
Amazingly, they fucked up so badly that they couldn't get things to stick for even a day. How did that happen?
The US government need not even be behind it. They just have to offer the rewards to the vigilante squads around the world. All the informants in the world could be rewarded for information which leads to the arrest and conviction of Julian Assange. On top of that you have all the mafias, gangs, drug kingpins of the world who would want the reward.
http://www.stopthechamber.com/ --- if these people can organize something like this, the government could probably do much much better considering they'd have millions of dollars to offer to anybody who stops Julian Assange from releasing the classified documents. In fact if we were to have a Slashdot survey on this site and the question was "would you turn in Julian Assange for $5 million dollars in cash" I'd bet that 25% of Slashdot would be willing.
Very similar to this http://www.stopthechamber.com/ where the amount of money in rewards which lead to the arrest and conviction of Julian Assange will reach into the millions, or tens of millions, and once that happens it's only a matter of time before somebody accuses him of something. Or maybe they don't have to accuse him of anything, there are enough laws and enough ways to entrap people that anybody can be taken out if enough informants agree to take them out.
Confidential informants working in teams can entrap or find evidence on anybody. If the money is big enough and the government agrees to look the other way on the quality of the information, they could get him for some esoteric unknown law that he probably doesnt even know hes breaking and never heard of. And once hes arrested it's all over.
... interfering with EU affairs, as if the EU was a protectorate of the US.
If this is a black op Obama probably doesn't even know. It's not like they'd tell Obama because Obama wouldn't need to know. It's likely that Obama just signs his name giving them permission to "stop Julian Assange" and then they figure out how to do it and begin the campaign.
Oh, you're gonna know something about getting the shaft, all right. The shaft, head, balls, the whole thing. Blag is unbelievable. He's guilty as sin and everyone but him seems to know it.
The real question is whether or not he is capable of feeling guilt.
We need to figure out exactly what this phrase means before we just agree that it's fair. Unlawful communication could be obscenity, and since everybody on the internet breaks the law now all communication is unlawful and what does that mean?
Verizon used to be Bell Atlantic. Bell Atlantic used to be one big company but it got broken up. If Google grows too influential they'll have to be broken up too.
Maybe they're not being dishonest; maybe they're being mindful of the fact that setting up precise boundaries between these different species is not as simple as you think. What precisely makes for a different species? The human-like species would have been very closely related genetically, and in some cases may have been able to interbreed naturally. So are they different species, or sub-species of the same species? Don't be fooled by the simple nomenclature system into thinking that species taxonomy is a simple thing.
Either they are homosapiens or they aren't human. Those other species are human like, but the only human like species we might have been able to mate with was neanderthal. all those other species we find no evidence of crossbreeding and mating.
We wouldn't have so many people who don't believe in evolution. When they try to group all these different human like species together, it makes evolution seem completely unscientific. Homosapiens are the only human species. Those other species are different species just like there are different species of fish, cats, and just like humans aren't rodents even though we share something like 95% of our genes with them.
The US government has the capability to capture or kill anybody anywhere in the world if they become an armed combatant.
So they don't consider Osama bin Laden an armed combatant? The US government doesn't have the capability to kill shit, unless they use a sizable explosive...the sort of thing you don't need to be terribly accurate with anyway.
So what if Manning had just posted the stuff to/.?
Say there is this guy in jail who everybody agrees should be busted out, but if you do that all the rapists and serial killers get released too?
This is what I'm talking about. There might be situations where documents need to be released to the public. I just don't think military operations are the sort of documents that need to be released. This is not a human rights related document. This document does not have to do with torture, or with innocent people being abused by an authoritarian regime. This document was a Top Secret military operation document which should have never have been released because it serves no function to the public but it helps the enemy.
Nobody is asking you to trust the US government. Nobody is asking you to trust the entire entity. There are some people in the US government who are trusted because they have Top Secret clearance and have been vetted. We have to trust those individuals, not the US government itself. Bradley Manning is a failure for having betrayed the trust of his country.
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Anyone can be stopped by the US gov.
It probably works like anyone who has information leading to the arrest and conviction of Julian Assange will receive $100,000.
So a lot of people Julian may think or thought were his friends will take the money. His ex gfs, his own family members even. It's never wise to piss off the US gov.
Don't piss off the US government, you can't win.
This has to be drilled into everybody's heads.
Copyrights and patents must be abolished, they are part of the death of economies, just like governments regulations, taxes, subsidies, wars, corporate involvement, corruption, stimulus borrowing/printing/spending and bailouts.
All of the above things are killing the economies, these things are making industrialized world uncompetitive and jobs are leaving and no amount of cash can be spent to make the industrialized world competitive again ever because the reason cannot be simply removed by spending.
The reason of the underlying structural breakage of economy is lack of useful production/manufacturing jobs, whose loss has resulted from lack of competitiveness. Competition is the only correct solution to this problem, and copyrights, patents, regulations, wage laws, taxes, subsidies, bailouts, stimulus, wars, corporate corruption are all tied to one main entity: government.
Government is the ultimate force with the power to compel people to do what they do not want to do, and it does so because it craves power, through people who join the government because they crave power, and for them gov't is the ultimate way to get power and money by sharing with corporate friends.
Government involvement in economy must be removed completely and that is the only way to remove incentives to corrupt the government, spending all the money in the world on buying the gov't should NOT buy you a free ride and destruction and structural removal of any competition.
This comment is the actual answer to the question: what the fuck happened to the economy?
That is unrealistic. Copyright and patents should not be abolished. They just shouldn't last forever. They should last X amount of years that society agrees upon, not an arbitrary number decided by the copyright holders themselves but a number of years decided by that individual culture or that society.
Now is really the time to get encrypted, decentralized networks with Onion routing working at a practical level and not just for academic enjoyment. I've had great expectations in GNUnet, but apparently it is pretty hard to port. Freenet has also never convinced me whenever I tried it. Are the technical obstacles really so hard to overcome? What about pervasive email encryption with automatic installation and more widespread use of SSL? What is holding all these technologies back?
Once something is made significantly illegal and if the government is motivated enough, they'll pay their informants to infiltrate your private encrypted network and capture the IP addresses that way. The informants will host the exit nodes.
In the current job I'm in, one of the requirements was knowledge of some CRM software. I downloaded the free copy, poked around in it for twenty minutes, and updated my resume to say I had experience in it. It wasn't any different than the five other CRMs I had messed around in one capacity or another over the preceding ten years. It would be one thing if they were demanding experience in Netware, or something like that that I had minimal experience in, so I wouldn't pull that kind of a stunt in that category, but all in all, it's all the same. You don't want guys with just niche knowledge, unless you're dealing with pretty esoteric systems. You want guys with good familiarity in whatever area you require them in.
I'm talking a new college graduate. If you have 10 years experience already you aren't the one I'm talking about. Also usually they want experience in software which is proprietary and they want you to have very esoteric business specific knowledge.
The only way to get it is to intern or volunteer.
How will concepts get you a job? All the concepts are meaningless when the employer wants specific knowledge of specific tools.
College is not supposed to be vocational training. College ensures a good foundation, and hopefully some work ethic and study skills. Nobody comes out of college knowing everything they need to do their job. They come out of college knowing everything they need to be readily trained.
College for my generation is what highschool was to previous generations. Only college costs $50,000 while highschool was free. Yeah thats progress...
The last thing we need is for mundane society to catch up with the trend...
Yes, what he said. Please, for the love of God, do not spread knowledge! Keep us elites strong, and let the masses rot! The last thing we want is an economy that can keep up. When the ship goes down, I want to be the rat sitting on the tallest mast.
College isn't free. The people who go to college who seek only knowledge are already elite enough to be able to pay for it. The people who educate themselves don't need to go to college to learn this stuff. So once again you assume all those college degrees have helped the economy or the internet ecosystem and they haven't. The only thing it has done was raise the barrier of entry. Now any kid who has talent and knowledge will be ignored in favor of the mediocre kid from mundane society with a degree or two.
The last thing we need is for mundane society to catch up with the trend and stifle it like they did to the web and are trying to do with the internet. The more they catch up the more jobs they ship overseas, the more middle management we end up with, the slower growth becomes, the less profitable it is for small business owners, and the more big business monopolies corner the market.
I hope they never catch up. I hope it's wave after wave after wave. It's better to ride the waves and surf the trends than to let the internet become controlled by the MPAA/RIAA like TV, Radio and a lot of other technologies.
It doesn't apply to Obama. The leader is ultimately responsible for the work done in their name. If Obama gave the CIA carte blanche to take care of the situation, then he is the one ultimately responsible.
Note: I voted for Obama, and I think he gets blamed for a lot of things that are outside of his, or anyones for that matter, control. If this is a CIA operation he IS responsible.
It's the CIA's mission to stop individuals like Julian Assange. The CIA is supposed to be focused on foreign nationals and foreign spies. Julian Assanges organization "Wikileaks" has committed the initial crime which triggered the CIA/NSA/FBI response. It's a bit late now to blame Obama as if Obama could have stopped whatever the response is. If it's true that Assange's documents influence or reveal CIA sources this would equate to Assange attacking the CIA itself because if the sources get killed it hurts the mission and the effort.
This is not good for Julian Assange. What do you expect Obama to do? Tell the CIA to leave Julian Assange alone? On what basis? Julian Assange isn't an American citizen.
Nobody can completely control an agency like the CIA or FBI.
The agency is so compartmentalized that other people who work at the agency don't know what their co-workers are doing. How do you expect the President to know?
If it's black ops probably only the people involved with it know whats going on. That would mean nobody would have the details of exactly how Julian Assange is to be stopped except the people assigned to the task of stopping him. So I don't think we can ever blame the President or the Director of the CIA for what goes on.
Even if Swedens law enforcement doesn't want to, if the bribes are big enough and offered often enough, corruption will take over and Julian Assange will be arrested for being Julian Assange. This stuff happens in the USA, it probably happens everywhere.
At the end of the day, I'm driving home and hear on the radio that Assange is no longer a suspect and that the case has been dropped. I find this even more incredible than the initial news. To be exhonerated in less than 24 hours is incredibly dramatic. I couldn't believe what I was hearing once again.
There's pretty much only one way to read into these events. There must have been a conspiracy to destroy Wikileaks through the character assassination of Assange. There can be only one suspect for who was behind it: the U.S. government.
If there were anyone left in the world who could reasonably doubt that the U.S. government wasn't corrupt, didn't play dirty, didn't abuse its power, didn't lie as it suited them, and wasn't what Orwell warned us about in 1984 and Animal Farm, if they were within the reach of the mainstream media yesterday, that should have been their wake-up call.
Amazingly, they fucked up so badly that they couldn't get things to stick for even a day. How did that happen?
The US government need not even be behind it. They just have to offer the rewards to the vigilante squads around the world. All the informants in the world could be rewarded for information which leads to the arrest and conviction of Julian Assange. On top of that you have all the mafias, gangs, drug kingpins of the world who would want the reward.
http://www.stopthechamber.com/ --- if these people can organize something like this, the government could probably do much much better considering they'd have millions of dollars to offer to anybody who stops Julian Assange from releasing the classified documents. In fact if we were to have a Slashdot survey on this site and the question was "would you turn in Julian Assange for $5 million dollars in cash" I'd bet that 25% of Slashdot would be willing.
Very similar to this http://www.stopthechamber.com/ where the amount of money in rewards which lead to the arrest and conviction of Julian Assange will reach into the millions, or tens of millions, and once that happens it's only a matter of time before somebody accuses him of something. Or maybe they don't have to accuse him of anything, there are enough laws and enough ways to entrap people that anybody can be taken out if enough informants agree to take them out.
Confidential informants working in teams can entrap or find evidence on anybody. If the money is big enough and the government agrees to look the other way on the quality of the information, they could get him for some esoteric unknown law that he probably doesnt even know hes breaking and never heard of. And once hes arrested it's all over.
... interfering with EU affairs, as if the EU was a protectorate of the US.
If this is a black op Obama probably doesn't even know. It's not like they'd tell Obama because Obama wouldn't need to know. It's likely that Obama just signs his name giving them permission to "stop Julian Assange" and then they figure out how to do it and begin the campaign.
Oh, you're gonna know something about getting the shaft, all right. The shaft, head, balls, the whole thing. Blag is unbelievable. He's guilty as sin and everyone but him seems to know it.
The real question is whether or not he is capable of feeling guilt.
We need to figure out exactly what this phrase means before we just agree that it's fair. Unlawful communication could be obscenity, and since everybody on the internet breaks the law now all communication is unlawful and what does that mean?
Verizon used to be Bell Atlantic. Bell Atlantic used to be one big company but it got broken up. If Google grows too influential they'll have to be broken up too.
Maybe they're not being dishonest; maybe they're being mindful of the fact that setting up precise boundaries between these different species is not as simple as you think. What precisely makes for a different species? The human-like species would have been very closely related genetically, and in some cases may have been able to interbreed naturally. So are they different species, or sub-species of the same species? Don't be fooled by the simple nomenclature system into thinking that species taxonomy is a simple thing.
Either they are homosapiens or they aren't human. Those other species are human like, but the only human like species we might have been able to mate with was neanderthal. all those other species we find no evidence of crossbreeding and mating.
We wouldn't have so many people who don't believe in evolution. When they try to group all these different human like species together, it makes evolution seem completely unscientific. Homosapiens are the only human species. Those other species are different species just like there are different species of fish, cats, and just like humans aren't rodents even though we share something like 95% of our genes with them.
I was under the impression that we were maybe 300,000-400,000 years old as a species. How do they go back 800,000 to millions of years?
The US government has the capability to capture or kill anybody anywhere in the world if they become an armed combatant.
So they don't consider Osama bin Laden an armed combatant? The US government doesn't have the capability to kill shit, unless they use a sizable explosive...the sort of thing you don't need to be terribly accurate with anyway.
Bin Laden is dead. Saddam is dead.
So what if Manning had just posted the stuff to /.?
Say there is this guy in jail who everybody agrees should be busted out, but if you do that all the rapists and serial killers get released too?
This is what I'm talking about. There might be situations where documents need to be released to the public. I just don't think military operations are the sort of documents that need to be released. This is not a human rights related document. This document does not have to do with torture, or with innocent people being abused by an authoritarian regime. This document was a Top Secret military operation document which should have never have been released because it serves no function to the public but it helps the enemy.
Nobody is asking you to trust the US government. Nobody is asking you to trust the entire entity. There are some people in the US government who are trusted because they have Top Secret clearance and have been vetted. We have to trust those individuals, not the US government itself. Bradley Manning is a failure for having betrayed the trust of his country.