guess that's what happens when you ignore your Q&R engineers and release improperly tested hardware to market
I don't see anywhere in the article that would lead to this conclusion, or even give the impression that AMD's engineers had any clue that any problems would arise. In fact, the article states that it was very likely that there was another component in the system causing the problems.
I've heard a lot of horror stories from G2k, but all my personal experience (one computer for one relative) hasn't been bad. I even knew one friend who was able to get brand new system gratis when CIH fried his old one.
Take it for what its worth. I'm still looking at the AMD line for my next CPU--unless Digital rises form the dead:(
Why bother even following the links anymore? First Posters never do, and everything ends up being regurgitated here anyway. At least add some commentary . . .
And then there are the moderators who don't bother following links anyway, see info--or worse, see any info that looks correct, and then gives it +1, Something.
At least say how this "Strikes a Blow Against Evil Corporations" or make an obligatory comparison to the MS case . ..
After lengthy papers by the likes of RMS against Metallica, the necessity of freedom by Thomas Jefferson, and a little addition drafted by some guy named James Madison to a seemingly unimportant document, Good may actually come of this:)
Perhaps we haven't thrown out this document yet? This brings back images of Teddy nearly a century ago.
And its nice to see that the community is actually benifting, not money grubbing corporations. After all, this is for the community, and not just commodities, right Metallica?
"Girls have other priorities. Guys are more computer-type people."
"I don't want to take computer science.... Just looking at it, all the programming and these funny-looking things on the paper. It (takes) so much stuff to do one thing on the computer."
"The reason why you see more men doing computer stuff is that girls are more ambitious than that. My parents always say, 'Do something with computers,' because it is stable and stuff, but a lot (of people) don't want to be at a desk from 9 to 5."
The problem is that people still have there stereotypical views of life and professions. I know many males that are certainly not "computer-type people" and at the same time, I know many women that are. In my most recent programming course, the problem was not that the women couldn't handle the class, or even that they didn't find it interesting, it was that there were only a few there! One of the female students in the class actually ended up getting one of the higher grades there.
Another problem is, though this may make me sound like a misogynist, is that many females (and of course many males too) do not have the dedication to learn "these funny-looking things" and just want to point and click. This certainly isn't true in every case, of course. My younger sister was able to learn VB (of course, most wouldn't even call that language, but) well before a fellow male classmate of mine (currently pursuing a computer engineering degree . ..).
I don't get that bit about being more ambitious though.. .
Look at the recent beer post: same post repeated every minute, and totally unrelated to its context. Is that really an "expression of opinion"? Looks like pointless noise to me.
Ignore the bloody post. Raise your threshold.
You ask that they start "tuning out the noise", tomorrow you'll ask them to remove everything that talks about BSD (or similar), and after this goes on, you'll sit back and simply ask Rob what you think.
The quote attributed to Voltaire above was actually paraphrased by C.S. Tallentyre. Voltaire's own version, as appeared in his Essay on Tolerance, read "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so too." This simple sentence is the definition of freedom and essential for a free nation
In my own opinion OSM was interfering with MY usage of slashdot.
And you are entitled to your opinion, as is OSM. If you don't want to hear what he has to say, don't read his posts. Set your threshold higher. If he gets moderated up, obviously someone wants to hear what he has to say and to do what the editors are being accused of would be a direct assault against the entire community.
It's offtopic! The above post has NOTHING to do with technology concerning archival data storage. If you have been spanked, then you must be a bad boy, you must have done something to deserve it. Go to your room and stop whining on/.. Nobody cares about your problem, if they did, then somebody would have posted a discussion on the topic: Slashdot user whines about mistreatment by moderators, staff.
Obviously people cared enough to post responses, and moderate it up. It may have little to do with the article, and the author of the post states why he posted it here (he feels that it would not be posted as a story). By your logic, if you are given a treat, you are obviously a good boy. The post got moderated up. Take your own advice: don't whine about it.
Sometimes rules are a "Good thing".
I agree whole heartedly. This is what our old-timer, #276, above argues for to./. seemed to pride itself on having open forums, and never forcing censorship upon its users. When the/. staff start betraying its users, in order to "protect us" as some posters have claimed (does this not sound like the entire mandated censorware debates we so vehemently fought against?), they have not only betrayed our trust, but violated their own rules of non-interference.
I may not agree with what everyone else says, but you certainly have the right to say it, and I have the right to ignore or read it at my leisure.
Perhaps this didn't really happen, but it is certainly possible. I am aware of a friend who was threatened with an IP block--of an entire institution--because of his posts. This person created another account days later and reached a three digit karma rating over the weekend. Is moderation a bit skewed? Perhaps. But we don't need editors doing our work for us. Let the community handle things, not the establishment.
Subject: 11) Just what is X11? This question is hard to answer. X11 is the successor of X10.
Ah, you guessed that?:-) Maybe we should ask another question: What is X at all ? The X windowing system is a retargetable graphics systems for almost every computer platform. X was developed at the MIT labs, Massachuset, and many other companies: The X-consortium. X is copyrighted by them. MIT started X some years ago, X10 was the first X windows system, which had success on a wide range of computers, X11 had some significant changes in the protocoll and started with the Release Version 1 (R1). R4 and R5 are still in use, but R6 is the most recent release (1994).
"And what the people but a herd confus'd, A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
It says that Valenti (MPAA guy) wrote it. If he didn't, the LA Times certainly are not doing their part as unbiased news reporters. "seduced by stranged ideologies" indeed >:(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Milton on Windows:
"And what the people but a herd confus'd, A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
This whole story has become redundant. Every new case brings the same rhetoric and pontifications about the same issues. However, this shouldn't mean that we should stop responding. In particular, this article in the LA Times has some very serious problems:
Article:If one visits the sites in question, one will see enticements to "break encryption and copy a DVD onto your hard drive. Decrypt movies and let them be played off your hard drive or off DVD-R [recordable] if you have a burner [recording device]. Personally, I do not remember seeing this alledged quote (at least not in the manner in which it was used in the article). As stated by others earlier, most importantly by the U.S. Judicial system (sorry for those outside the U.S., but this is centering on U.S. law for the most part), the end user has the right to make copies for his own, personal, non profit use. Honestly, how many people are going to have a large store of copied DVDs on a HDD? With their size, it would be easiest and cheapest to just purchase a copy if the intent was piracy.
The posting of the hacking code is akin to mass producing and distributing keys to a department store. To run with the initial metaphor, it is akin to mass producing and distributing keys to a department store if you own the store and like to ensure that you will be able to access it (that and the store costs about $20 and the key costs about twice that).
The keys have only one real purpose: to allow a thief to open a locked door to steal the goods he targets. The key does not facillitate theft. Byte-by-byte copying is always possible, but not practical as mentioned above.
In the trial, the defendants no doubt can count on support from activist groups that have been seduced by the hackers' strange ideology, which equates copying and stealing software code with free speech. Excuse me? The first comment is the one that I have the most trouble with in the entire article. I finded it troubling that someone could say that people "have been seduced by the hackers' strange ideology." Well chosed diction for his case, but heinously false. The predjudice in this statement is outrageous, to state that others have been seduced by a "strange ideology" while he has written this piece is preposterous. While he obviously meant strange to mean "extraordinary," (benifit of the doubt, right?) I think that he could have rephrased this passage. Finally, the ideology of which he speaks, I believe, generally advocates the open sharing of [source] code and giving credit where credit is due when copying it. It does not advocate the outright theft of code (software code == source code? or binary code?). I certainly do not want to speak for everybody when discussing their own ideology, but I believe this to be a good summary of the ideology of which he speaks.
Some even have dared to assert that since the encryption was hacked, it wasn't tough enough to begin with. This is no different from saying that breaking narcotics laws is OK because it can be done. Flatley stated: it wasn't tough enough to serve their purpose. Moreover, forgetting to encrypt data at one point in the process of playing a DVD was the real reason (so I have been told, correct me if I'm wrong) that cracking the encryption was so easy. This was basically like giving someone a coded message and the uncoded message where a simple shift cipher was used.
Does this make it right? We must define 'it.' Does it make it right to break a law because it is easy to do? Without breaking out my copy of Walden or Civil Disobedience (Good ol' Henry David Thoreau) I will move on to: does this make it legal? No, of course it doesn't. But what laws have those involved in DeCSS broken? They have not made it easier to pirate anything nor have they broken any laws themselves. They only wanted to open up the DVD market to those who wish to use an alternate operating system.
The producers of artistic works did not labor over their creations for months and years simply to see a band of cyber-thieves gain applause for stealing their work. . . Those who passionately believe in freedom of expression and consumers who value creative storytelling have a lot on the line as the judge considers this matter. Yes. Well said. We certainly do.
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On another note, how many peole actually own DVD-Rs? With all the problems (three main divisions in the market, resulting in DVD-RAM cartridges etc.), I don't think I actually know one personally. I'm curious as to whether they have caught on elsewhere.
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John Milton on Windows:
"And what the people but a herd confus'd, A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
Yeah, sorry. Guess I'm like every other American (almost) on/.
It's true that we are extremely egotistical and these little slips are a result of that - we're so used to the world revolving around us (or at least thinking that it does).
On the other hand, it sometimes seems as though it does./. (the server, etc. at least) are located in the U.S. and it even has a nice American Flag to denote U.S. sections (and nothing similar for articles pertaining to other countries).
You are correct, however, in pointing these things out. It is not a good thing to think of the world as revolving around you or your country. I don't think that it is as much an intentional thing as it is force of habit.
And, In conclusion, one of the greatest American;)authors on Microsoft products:
"And what the people but a herd confus'd, A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
I'd be running Netscape's offering if their products worked. Come on, they can't even get the binary to work for me to download!
Until then, I guess I'll use my copy of IE which came with my computer. It isn't like that hasn't completely screwed up my computer with some unwanted download or simly lock up the computer for some untold reason. Oh, yeah, and I'll run it on my U*nx box, since it has all the market there. After all, it is focused on compatibility and standards, right?
"And what the people but a herd confus'd, A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
I just couldn't stop thinking about the controversy of these "killing simulators" when I saw this. Could these games be training the Sysadmins of the future?
My guess is that the probability of either a mass murderer or a qualified sysadmin being produced by just playing a corridor shooter is about the same. (perhaps a sysadmin is more likely. I know more of them that play Quake than I do murderers who play).
"And what the people but a herd confus'd, A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
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I don't see anywhere in the article that would lead to this conclusion, or even give the impression that AMD's engineers had any clue that any problems would arise. In fact, the article states that it was very likely that there was another component in the system causing the problems.
I've heard a lot of horror stories from G2k, but all my personal experience (one computer for one relative) hasn't been bad. I even knew one friend who was able to get brand new system gratis when CIH fried his old one.
Take it for what its worth. I'm still looking at the AMD line for my next CPU--unless Digital rises form the dead :(
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Why bother even following the links anymore? First Posters never do, and everything ends up being regurgitated here anyway. At least add some commentary . . .
And then there are the moderators who don't bother following links anyway, see info--or worse, see any info that looks correct, and then gives it +1, Something.
At least say how this "Strikes a Blow Against Evil Corporations" or make an obligatory comparison to the MS case . . .
--
After lengthy papers by the likes of RMS against Metallica, the necessity of freedom by Thomas Jefferson, and a little addition drafted by some guy named James Madison to a seemingly unimportant document, Good may actually come of this :)
Perhaps we haven't thrown out this document yet? This brings back images of Teddy nearly a century ago.
And its nice to see that the community is actually benifting, not money grubbing corporations. After all, this is for the community, and not just commodities, right Metallica?
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The problem is that people still have there stereotypical views of life and professions. I know many males that are certainly not "computer-type people" and at the same time, I know many women that are. In my most recent programming course, the problem was not that the women couldn't handle the class, or even that they didn't find it interesting, it was that there were only a few there! One of the female students in the class actually ended up getting one of the higher grades there.
Another problem is, though this may make me sound like a misogynist, is that many females (and of course many males too) do not have the dedication to learn "these funny-looking things" and just want to point and click. This certainly isn't true in every case, of course. My younger sister was able to learn VB (of course, most wouldn't even call that language, but) well before a fellow male classmate of mine (currently pursuing a computer engineering degree . . .).
I don't get that bit about being more ambitious though .. .
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sorry, I coppied that ending paragraph from a speach I gave one time . .. change "nation" to Internet, world, etc .. .
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Ignore the bloody post. Raise your threshold.
You ask that they start "tuning out the noise", tomorrow you'll ask them to remove everything that talks about BSD (or similar), and after this goes on, you'll sit back and simply ask Rob what you think.
The quote attributed to Voltaire above was actually paraphrased by C.S. Tallentyre. Voltaire's own version, as appeared in his Essay on Tolerance, read "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so too." This simple sentence is the definition of freedom and essential for a free nation
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And you are entitled to your opinion, as is OSM. If you don't want to hear what he has to say, don't read his posts. Set your threshold higher. If he gets moderated up, obviously someone wants to hear what he has to say and to do what the editors are being accused of would be a direct assault against the entire community.
Obviously people cared enough to post responses, and moderate it up. It may have little to do with the article, and the author of the post states why he posted it here (he feels that it would not be posted as a story). By your logic, if you are given a treat, you are obviously a good boy. The post got moderated up. Take your own advice: don't whine about it.
I agree whole heartedly. This is what our old-timer, #276, above argues for to. /. seemed to pride itself on having open forums, and never forcing censorship upon its users. When the /. staff start betraying its users, in order to "protect us" as some posters have claimed (does this not sound like the entire mandated censorware debates we so vehemently fought against?), they have not only betrayed our trust, but violated their own rules of non-interference.
I may not agree with what everyone else says, but you certainly have the right to say it, and I have the right to ignore or read it at my leisure.
Perhaps this didn't really happen, but it is certainly possible. I am aware of a friend who was threatened with an IP block--of an entire institution--because of his posts. This person created another account days later and reached a three digit karma rating over the weekend. Is moderation a bit skewed? Perhaps. But we don't need editors doing our work for us. Let the community handle things, not the establishment.
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sorry, here are some additional links I had intended to included above (anyone else getting a lot of 500 errors today?)
/06/19/1438200.shtml /. artricle has some good info
http://slashdot.org/articles/99
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retroco mputing/ (just some cool old stuff, not really about X)
as usual, the
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
http://wwwipd.ira.uka. de/~frueauf/FAQ/NetBSD-Amiga-X-FAQ.txt is a rather lengthy FAQ dealing with X (servers, clients, etc). It mentions X10 as being the first X system.
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John Milton on Windows:
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
This whole story has become redundant. Every new case brings the same rhetoric and pontifications about the same issues. However, this shouldn't mean that we should stop responding. In particular, this article in the LA Times has some very serious problems:
Article:If one visits the sites in question, one will see enticements to "break encryption and copy a DVD onto your hard drive. Decrypt movies and let them be played off your hard drive or off DVD-R [recordable] if you have a burner [recording device].
Personally, I do not remember seeing this alledged quote (at least not in the manner in which it was used in the article). As stated by others earlier, most importantly by the U.S. Judicial system (sorry for those outside the U.S., but this is centering on U.S. law for the most part), the end user has the right to make copies for his own, personal, non profit use. Honestly, how many people are going to have a large store of copied DVDs on a HDD? With their size, it would be easiest and cheapest to just purchase a copy if the intent was piracy.
The posting of the hacking code is akin to mass producing and distributing keys to a department store.
To run with the initial metaphor, it is akin to mass producing and distributing keys to a department store if you own the store and like to ensure that you will be able to access it (that and the store costs about $20 and the key costs about twice that).
The keys have only one real purpose: to allow a thief to open a locked door to steal the goods he targets.
The key does not facillitate theft. Byte-by-byte copying is always possible, but not practical as mentioned above.
In the trial, the defendants no doubt can count on support from activist groups that have been seduced by the hackers' strange ideology, which equates copying and stealing software code with free speech.
Excuse me? The first comment is the one that I have the most trouble with in the entire article. I finded it troubling that someone could say that people "have been seduced by the hackers' strange ideology." Well chosed diction for his case, but heinously false. The predjudice in this statement is outrageous, to state that others have been seduced by a "strange ideology" while he has written this piece is preposterous. While he obviously meant strange to mean "extraordinary," (benifit of the doubt, right?) I think that he could have rephrased this passage. Finally, the ideology of which he speaks, I believe, generally advocates the open sharing of [source] code and giving credit where credit is due when copying it. It does not advocate the outright theft of code (software code == source code? or binary code?). I certainly do not want to speak for everybody when discussing their own ideology, but I believe this to be a good summary of the ideology of which he speaks.
Some even have dared to assert that since the encryption was hacked, it wasn't tough enough to begin with. This is no different from saying that breaking narcotics laws is OK because it can be done.
Flatley stated: it wasn't tough enough to serve their purpose. Moreover, forgetting to encrypt data at one point in the process of playing a DVD was the real reason (so I have been told, correct me if I'm wrong) that cracking the encryption was so easy. This was basically like giving someone a coded message and the uncoded message where a simple shift cipher was used.
Does this make it right? We must define 'it.' Does it make it right to break a law because it is easy to do? Without breaking out my copy of Walden or Civil Disobedience (Good ol' Henry David Thoreau) I will move on to: does this make it legal? No, of course it doesn't. But what laws have those involved in DeCSS broken? They have not made it easier to pirate anything nor have they broken any laws themselves. They only wanted to open up the DVD market to those who wish to use an alternate operating system.
The producers of artistic works did not labor over their creations for months and years simply to see a band of cyber-thieves gain applause for stealing their work. . . Those who passionately believe in freedom of expression and consumers who value creative storytelling have a lot on the line as the judge considers this matter.
Yes. Well said. We certainly do.
---------------------
On another note, how many peole actually own DVD-Rs? With all the problems (three main divisions in the market, resulting in DVD-RAM cartridges etc.), I don't think I actually know one personally. I'm curious as to whether they have caught on elsewhere.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John Milton on Windows:
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
It's true that we are extremely egotistical and these little slips are a result of that - we're so used to the world revolving around us (or at least thinking that it does).
On the other hand, it sometimes seems as though it does.
You are correct, however, in pointing these things out. It is not a good thing to think of the world as revolving around you or your country. I don't think that it is as much an intentional thing as it is force of habit.
And, In conclusion, one of the greatest American
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
Gotta have it! IVs work too.
Other than that . . . anything at http://www.thinkgeek.com/, RH stock, or that new O2
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
Until then, I guess I'll use my copy of IE which came with my computer. It isn't like that hasn't completely screwed up my computer with some unwanted download or simly lock up the computer for some untold reason. Oh, yeah, and I'll run it on my U*nx box, since it has all the market there. After all, it is focused on compatibility and standards, right?
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol
My guess is that the probability of either a mass murderer or a qualified sysadmin being produced by just playing a corridor shooter is about the same.
(perhaps a sysadmin is more likely. I know more of them that play Quake than I do murderers who play).
"And what the people but a herd confus'd,
A miscellaneous rabble, who extol