Even with RIAA monopoly, the music industry is full of opportunity. Anyone can learn how to play an instrument, and find a way to make money out of it. The music software is not that simple. Software is just entertainment. For some idealistic minds, entertainment is not business. We all now thats its wrong - entertainment is BIG business anywhere in the world. Maybe it's easier for college kids to see themselves making money out of music than making money out of code. So in a sense they are trying to protect their own future. To be a great coder is hard, and to be a top coder is a distant dream. Maybe file size matters. Some years ago, trading music was hot in BBSs. Most commercial music could be found for free in a few BBSs. Many of them were large downloads at that time. Some could even fill an 1.2 Mb 5"1/4 floppy disk:-) It was not viable to download code, for technical reasons. PCs were not powerful enough for large programs and similar codecs. Now if people try to copy "The complete works of the 18th centrury music" over the Internet... not even DSL is close to allow this to be done in the next few years. Anyway thats my personal opinion... lets see what the guys outside here think...
i'm not the first to say this, but paying for something that isn't a specific service or tangible product is difficult to wrestle with. why -should- you pay for something (or why should lots of people pay for something) when the producer only produces it once? the reason you pay for a tangible product is because -you- get that product (and you want to have it/use it). if a specific item required nothing to create, isn't its inherent value zero? based on the idea that something is worth how much labor was put into it, marx would agree with me on this one...
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Metcalf on Open Source:
"The idea is that the modern, high tech modern capitolist corporation, is an out-moded model for the development of software and that there's this new model, this sort of co-operative comunity and that will work better, and I don't think it will. I think that ummm co-operatiave..ummm.. uh you have a day job and go home to your programing..has it's limits.
uhhh I have yet a third paradym which I call the ethernet pardaym where the standards are open but the implemtations are owned, so that a corporation has property..and economics can work.
In the internet world, there is an open standard.. like the ethernet and internet world both have open standards but fierce comitition between companies, corporations who own the implementations of the standards and I think that's a superior model to open source movement which suspect will sorta fritter away.
(Interviewer interupts)
If a hacker can improve a product and introduce to the rest of the world, umm why shouldn't the world be like that...in other words, why does ford have to make every car the same . . we understand that well, because I, tinkering with my V8 engine can improve yours ..but in software you can't.
Well, you could tinker with my engine too ..there are chips, I mean . people don't do this!, I mean. . btw Ford is not the only car manufactuer there are many others you could choose from. You're allowed to let your neibor tinker with your car, but no one does , or very few people do because it's dangrous.
There are very few people qualified to muck with the inards of an operating system like Linux, so the notion that there will be thousands of them, or hundreds of thousands of them...
(Interviewer interupts)
It only takes one to improve it.
yea, but it's very hard to tell what's an improvement..the software development process is very very complicated and it's all about the control of complexity and uhh testing and uhh btw, who's to say one of these hackers isn't putting software in the system that say a security breach that they may want to exploit later, I mean there are many issues . umm
(Interviewer interupts)
It leaves a lot of the choice in the world to Bill Gates=, tho, doesn't it ?
Bill Gates isn't the only software developer. There's also such likeable fellows as Larry Ellison, I mean . anyone can develop software, start a company and try to vy for it uhhh look at Linus Torvalds, the champion of all this, a really great guy, but he works at a company called Transmeta. There products are not open source for a very good reason they need to have a product, they need to control it's content, they need to make money by selling it.
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.."The kernel in my system was 2.2.14 (Yes, call me a Linux nerd, I know my kernel version by heart). Sure, Linus has been hinting at a 2.4 kernel, but as far as I've found out, 2.2.16 is the latest stablebuild."
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Not only that, but the continues to persist is at least 8 mutations that the operating system doesn't stop.
In case your selective ms memory has faded, allow me to quote the headline again:
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
May 5, 2000, 11:55 a.m. PT
"The "Love Bug" computer virus has caused an estimated billions of dollars in damage and has disabled tens of millions of computers.
How you can watch all of this happen say that it's the mailservers fault for forwarding the virus is just beyond me.
In the famous words of Bob Dole. "A Billion here, a Billion there, sooner or later, that's real money."
The point behind the statement is that each dollar is just as "real" regardless of zeros next to it.
If you really believe that 10k is nothing then you won't mind taking the money out of your own sallary to make the purchase. If this price is really nothing, then I'm sure ms will have no problem waiving it.
Wha?? what's that you say? "But that is real money to ms, and they won't sell it without payment!". It's real money when it comes from their pocket? then it's real money when it comes from mine. End of argument.
I'm tired of this TCO argument so let me put it to bed.
If you go in to buy a car, and the salesman adds an extra $1000 to the price, and proceeds to spout "it's nothing compared to yada yada yada" . . ask him to give it up. Point out that if he/she really thinks the price differance is "nothing" then he/she won't mind removing it from the purchase price.
It will force said person to conceed that it IS real money when it's coming out of HIS pocket, and he/she will be forced to conceed that it's just a s real when it's coming out of MINE.
If an MS rep. who is trying to tell you his ms solution is better and starts spouting "but that price differance is nothing compared to TCO" ask him to put his money where his argument is. Point out that THE BUYER is the one making the larger investment in paying skilled people to deploy and maintain the system, and if THE BUYER is making the sizable investment, and that the purchase price is really nothing, then he won't mind waiving it.
If he is willing to put his money where his argument is, continue to listen to the argument. If not, thank him for his time, and move on to another solution.
from this shop.ms site:
Microsoft® SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition English Competitive Version Product Upgrade North America CD 1 Processor License CD-ROM $9,999.00
..and it's an Upgrade? They want me to buy and older version that THEN pay them another 10 grand for *this???
LOL! Get this!(still laughing) "Star Bridge projects that within five years a host of products will be running on the company's Pensa(TM) processors - home appliances, consumer electronics, automobile systems, Internet interfaces, PCs, graphics work stations, supercomputers, servers, switches, routers, signal processors and every other tool for processing information."
absolutely no thought whatsoever went into editing it.
No, then it wouldn't be a quote from the story poster. It IS a good addendum warning about the status of the release. The story goes a little something like this:
Perl 5.7.0 Released (Devel Version)Posted by Hemos on 07:51 PM -- Sunday September 03 2000 from the makin'-time-with-the-camel dept. qbasicprogrammer writes "The long awaited Perl 5.7.0 version has finally been released! Source code is available from CPAN. If you haven't upgraded yet, now is the time. In related news, development of Perl 6 is continuing swiftly as demonstrated by the Perl 6 Library." Check out the head's up story saying that it was coming - just a reminder this is *devel*. Don't play with it unless you know what you are doing.
Note, the stuff in italics is a quote from the story poster and the addendum on the bottom talking about it being *devel* is Hemos being a good journalist, actuarially quoting the story poster in it's entirety and informing the reader with a stern warning in the headline and the tagline.
If you want stuffy editors filtering your content, goto the nytimes. This is/. it ain't all right but it's allright.
Regarding your words:"essentially mandating" that you do this or that ..
This is where you went wrong.
The moment you feel like you're under some kind of obligation is when you cut back on you walk away. This was your mistake, not AOLs.
While I would agree that Steve case will do anything for money, I would also say that most AOL newbies will do anything for free service.
"help! help! I'm being repressed!" cries the AOLers logged on for free.
This particular little blurb is in no short supply on the web, but it also can be found here
July 18 - I just tried to connect to America Online. I've heard it is the best online service I can get. They even included a free disk! I'd better hold onto it incase they don't ever send me anther one! I can't connect. I don't know what is wrong.
July 19 - Some guy at the tech support center says my computer needs a modem. I don't see why. He's just trying to cheat me. How dumb does he think I am?
July 22 - I bought the modem. I couldn't figure out where it goes. It wouldn't fit in the monitor or the printer. I'm confused.
July 23 - I finally got the modem in and hooked up. that nine year old next door did it for me. But it still don't work. I can't get online.
July 25 - That nine year old kid next door hooked me up to America Online for me. He's so smart. I told the kid he was a prodigy. But he says that's just another service. What a modest kid. He's so smart and he does these services for people. Anyway he's smarter then the jerks who sold me the modem. They didn't even tell me about communications software. Bet they didn't know. And why do they put two telephone jack holes in the back of a modem when you only need one? And why do they have one labeled phone when you are not suppose to hook it to the phone jack on the wall? I thought the dial tone sounded funny! Boy, are modem makers dumb! But the kid figured it out by the sound.
July 26 - What's the internet? I thought I was on America Online. Not this internet thing. I'm confused.
July 27 - The nine year old kid next door showed me how to use this America Online stuff. I told him he must be a genius. He says that he is compared to me. Maybe he's not so modest after all.
July 28 - I tried to use chat today. I tried to talk into my computer but nothing happened. maybe I need to buy a microphone.
July 29 - I found this thing called usenet. I got out of it because I'm connected to America Online not usenet.
July 30 - These people in this usenet thing keep using capital letters. How do they do that? I never figured out how to type capital letters. Maybe they have a different type of keyboard.
JULY 31 - I CALLED THE COMPUTER MAKER I BOUGHT IT FROM TO COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT HAVING A CAPITOL LETTER KEY. THE TECH SUPPORT GUY SAID IT WAS THIS CAPS LOCK KEY. WHY DIDN'T THEY SPELL IT OUT? I TOLD HIM I GOT A CHEAP KEYBOARD AND WANTED A BETTER ONE. AND ONE OF MY SHIFT KEYS ISNT THE SAME SIZE AS THE OTHER. HE SAID THATS A STANDARD. I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T WANT A STANDARD KEYBOARD BUT ANOTHER BRAND. I MUST HAVE HAD AN IMPORTANT COMPLAINT BECAUSE I HEARD HIM TELL THE OTHER SUPPORT GUYS TO LISTEN IN ON OUR CONVERSATION.
AUGUST 1 - I FOUND THIS THING CALLED THE USENET ORACLE. IT SAYS THAT IT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I ASK IT. I SENT IT 44 SEPARATE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTERNET. I HOPE IT RESPONDS SOON.
AUGUST 2 - I FOUND A GROUP CALLED REC.HUMOR. I DECIDED TO POST THIS JOKE ABOUT THE CHICKEN THAT CROSSED THE ROAD. TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE! HA! HA! I WASNT SURE I POSTED IT RIGHT SO I POSTED IT 56 MORE TIMES.
AUGUST 3 - I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE WORLD WIDE WEB. I DON'T NOW SPIDERS GREW THAT LARGE.
AUGUST 4 - THE ORACLE RESPONDED TO MY QUESTIONS TODAY. GEEZ IT WAS RUDE. I WAS SO ANGRY THAT I POSTED AN ANGRY MESSAGE ABOUT IT TO REC.HUMOR.ORACLE. I WASNT SURE IF I POSTED RIGHT SO I POSTED IT 22 MORE TIMES.
AUGUST 5 - SOMEONE TOLD ME TO READ THE FAQ. GEEZ THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO USE PROFANITY.
AUGUST 6 - SOMEONE ELSE TOLD ME TO STOP SHOUTING IN ALL MY MESSAGES. WHAT A STUPID JERK. IM NOT SHOUTING! IM NOT EVEN TALKING! JUST TYPING! HOW CAN THEY LET THESE RUDE JERKS GO ON THE INTERNET?
August 7 - Why have a Caps Lock key if you're not suppose to use it? Its probably an extra feature that costs more money.
August 8 - I just read this post called make money fast. I'm so exited. I'm going to make lots of money. I followed his instructions and posted it to every newsgroup I could find.
August 9 - I just made my signature file. Its only 6 pages long. I will have to work on it some more.
August 10 - I just looked at a group called alt.aol.sucks. I read a few posts and I really believe that aol should be wiped off the face of the earth. I wonder what an aol is.
August 11 - I was asking where to find some information about something. Some guy told me to check out ftp.netcom.com. I've looked and looked but I can't find that group.
August 12 - I sent a post to every usenet group on the Internet asking where the ftp.netcom.com is. hopefully someone will help. I can't ask the kid next door. His parents said that when he comes back from my house he's laughing so hard he can't eat or sleep or do his homework. So they wont let him come over anymore. I do have a great sense of humor. I don't know why the rec.humor group didn't like my chicken joke. Maybe they only like dirty stuff. Some people sent me posts about my 56 posts of the joke and they used bad words.
August 13 - I sent another post to every usenet group on the Internet asking where the ftp.netcom.com is. I had forgot yesterday to include my new signature file which is only 8 pages long. I know everyone will want to read my favorite poem so I included it. I'm also going to add that short story I like.
August 14 - Some guy suspended my account because of what I was doing. I told him I don't have an account at his bank. He's so dumb.
..but it will sink like the titanic.
From the article: "While company representatives have not said so outright, it appears the move to eliminate what amounted to a $10 a month gratuity for volunteers is related to a recent New York class action lawsuit, brought by former volunteers at America Online (AOL). The plaintiffs are claiming that AOL's practice of relying on what it calls "community leaders" to produce, maintain and moderate online content was tantamount to employment, and hence is covered by American minimum wage laws."
I helped maintained a few Forums for many years on Compuserve out of the the love of the topic I was working with. When my priotities shifted and I no longer had the time to maintain that forum, I'm sure there were other member waiting to help out. In return for helping with so many forums, they gave me free access and made me a "helper" for a few months.
Consider, for a moment, what www.dmoz.org/ is doing with the open directory project. A small group of people using their life experiance and expertise to help other people find relavant information on the web. Once again, this is done out of kindness for the comunity and not for some kind of return. The ony payment is in the satisfaction of a job well done.
The problem with the volenteers is that they're "hooked" and the thought of them just stoping their on-line activity seems forein to them. "Wha?!? give up AOL? ? That would be like not breathing??", they might say, and there is the problem.
If you feel like you should be getting payed for the volenteer work you're doing, you're doing to much, and you should stop. The thought of holding AOL somehow liable for this very generous and fair bartering agreement is just daffy!
One more note: this is a class action suit brought for the volenteers. I smell a team of lawyers in bad suits looking to score easy money.
www.freemed.org
From the page: "Why Freemed? Freemed is designed to be not only an office management system designed to run on Linux but also an information system. With this system it is hoped that physicians and providers will be able to collect both demographic and outcome data."
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Even with RIAA monopoly, the music industry is full of opportunity. Anyone can learn how to play an instrument, and find a way to make money out of it. The music software is not that simple. Software is just entertainment. For some idealistic minds, entertainment is not business. We all now thats its wrong - entertainment is BIG business anywhere in the world. Maybe it's easier for college kids to see themselves making money out of music than making money out of code. So in a sense they are trying to protect their own future. To be a great coder is hard, and to be a top coder is a distant dream. Maybe file size matters. Some years ago, trading music was hot in BBSs. Most commercial music could be found for free in a few BBSs. Many of them were large downloads at that time. Some could even fill an 1.2 Mb 5"1/4 floppy disk :-) It was not viable to download code, for technical reasons. PCs were not powerful enough for large programs and similar codecs. Now if people try to copy "The complete works of the 18th centrury music" over the Internet... not even DSL is close to allow this to be done in the next few years. Anyway thats my personal opinion... lets see what the guys outside here think...
i'm not the first to say this, but paying for something that isn't a specific service or tangible product is difficult to wrestle with. why -should- you pay for something (or why should lots of people pay for something) when the producer only produces it once? the reason you pay for a tangible product is because -you- get that product (and you want to have it/use it). if a specific item required nothing to create, isn't its inherent value zero? based on the idea that something is worth how much labor was put into it, marx would agree with me on this one...
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Kinda like the Clintons.
[bada-boom] tssss
Metcalf on Open Source:
"The idea is that the modern, high tech modern capitolist corporation, is an out-moded model for the development of software and that there's this new model, this sort of co-operative comunity and that will work better, and I don't think it will. I think that ummm co-operatiave..ummm.. uh you have a day job and go home to your programing..has it's limits.
uhhh I have yet a third paradym which I call the ethernet pardaym where the standards are open but the implemtations are owned, so that a corporation has property ..and economics can work.
In the internet world, there is an open standard .. like the ethernet and internet world both have open standards but fierce comitition between companies, corporations who own the implementations of the standards and I think that's a superior model to open source movement which suspect will sorta fritter away.
(Interviewer interupts) If a hacker can improve a product and introduce to the rest of the world, umm why shouldn't the world be like that...in other words, why does ford have to make every car the same . . we understand that well, because I, tinkering with my V8 engine can improve yours . .but in software you can't.
Well, you could tinker with my engine too . .there are chips, I mean . people don't do this!, I mean. . btw Ford is not the only car manufactuer there are many others you could choose from. You're allowed to let your neibor tinker with your car, but no one does , or very few people do because it's dangrous.
There are very few people qualified to muck with the inards of an operating system like Linux, so the notion that there will be thousands of them, or hundreds of thousands of them ...
(Interviewer interupts)
It only takes one to improve it.
yea, but it's very hard to tell what's an improvement..the software development process is very very complicated and it's all about the control of complexity and uhh testing and uhh btw, who's to say one of these hackers isn't putting software in the system that say a security breach that they may want to exploit later, I mean there are many issues . umm
(Interviewer interupts)
It leaves a lot of the choice in the world to Bill Gates=, tho, doesn't it ?
Bill Gates isn't the only software developer. There's also such likeable fellows as Larry Ellison, I mean . anyone can develop software, start a company and try to vy for it uhhh look at Linus Torvalds, the champion of all this, a really great guy, but he works at a company called Transmeta. There products are not open source for a very good reason they need to have a product, they need to control it's content, they need to make money by selling it. "
The latest kernel is 2.4 test7
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I said it's free, go ahead and take it.
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Not one Vietnamese Dong
Not one Yugoslav Dinar
Not one Zambian Kwacha
Not one Zimbabwe Dollar
Zero dollars.
0.
Null set.
Not even one Franc.
Zilch.
Not one thin dime.
Bupkiss.
Not one Dinar.
Zippo.
No charge.
Not even one Kuna.
Like sex, it's better when it's free.
No cost.
Not one Krone.
Just take it.
Not one Punt.
Deploy it on an many boxes as you want.
No jack.
Bukoo nada.
Not one Rupiah.
I said, you can just take it.
Not one Shilling.
Not one Kroner.
Not only that, but the continues to persist is at least 8 mutations that the operating system doesn't stop. In case your selective ms memory has faded, allow me to quote the headline again:
Staff Writer, CNET News.com May 5, 2000, 11:55 a.m. PT
"The "Love Bug" computer virus has caused an estimated billions of dollars in damage and has disabled tens of millions of computers.
How you can watch all of this happen say that it's the mailservers fault for forwarding the virus is just beyond me.
Read this and tell me you still stand bhind your belief that ms doesn't deserve to take ( I believe all) some of the blame for the billions in lost productivity.
Does a company who cares so very little about security belong in your server room?
"A Billion here, a Billion there, sooner or later, that's real money."
The point behind the statement is that each dollar is just as "real" regardless of zeros next to it.
If you really believe that 10k is nothing then you won't mind taking the money out of your own sallary to make the purchase. If this price is really nothing, then I'm sure ms will have no problem waiving it. Wha?? what's that you say? "But that is real money to ms, and they won't sell it without payment!". It's real money when it comes from their pocket? then it's real money when it comes from mine. End of argument.
If you go in to buy a car, and the salesman adds an extra $1000 to the price, and proceeds to spout "it's nothing compared to yada yada yada" . . ask him to give it up. Point out that if he/she really thinks the price differance is "nothing" then he/she won't mind removing it from the purchase price.
It will force said person to conceed that it IS real money when it's coming out of HIS pocket, and he/she will be forced to conceed that it's just a s real when it's coming out of MINE.
If an MS rep. who is trying to tell you his ms solution is better and starts spouting "but that price differance is nothing compared to TCO" ask him to put his money where his argument is. Point out that THE BUYER is the one making the larger investment in paying skilled people to deploy and maintain the system, and if THE BUYER is making the sizable investment, and that the purchase price is really nothing, then he won't mind waiving it.
If he is willing to put his money where his argument is, continue to listen to the argument. If not, thank him for his time, and move on to another solution.
from this shop.ms site: .and it's an Upgrade? They want me to buy and older version that THEN pay them another 10 grand for *this???
Microsoft® SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition English Competitive Version Product Upgrade North America CD 1 Processor License CD-ROM $9,999.00 .
Let's not forget that this is the price BEFORE you add on all the apps and devel.
Get this!(still laughing)
"Star Bridge projects that within five years a host of products will be running on the company's Pensa(TM) processors - home appliances, consumer electronics, automobile systems, Internet interfaces, PCs, graphics work stations, supercomputers, servers, switches, routers, signal processors and every other tool for processing information."
[blank stare]
No, then it wouldn't be a quote from the story poster. It IS a good addendum warning about the status of the release. The story goes a little something like this:
Perl 5.7.0 Released (Devel Version) Posted by Hemos on 07:51 PM -- Sunday September 03 2000
from the makin'-time-with-the-camel dept.
qbasicprogrammer writes "The long awaited Perl 5.7.0 version has finally been released! Source code is available from CPAN. If you haven't upgraded yet, now is the time. In related news, development of Perl 6 is continuing swiftly as demonstrated by the Perl 6 Library." Check out the head's up story saying that it was coming - just a reminder this is *devel*. Don't play with it unless you know what you are doing.
Note, the stuff in italics is a quote from the story poster and the addendum on the bottom talking about it being *devel* is Hemos being a good journalist, actuarially quoting the story poster in it's entirety and informing the reader with a stern warning in the headline and the tagline.
If you want stuffy editors filtering your content, goto the nytimes. This is /. it ain't all right but it's allright.
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Larry Wall speeks at Dr. Dobbs about PERL6.
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The funny thing is, I can't find any papers on their sites (nor at Secure Systems Research Department) at bell labs
This is where you went wrong.
The moment you feel like you're under some kind of obligation is when you cut back on you walk away. This was your mistake, not AOLs.
While I would agree that Steve case will do anything for money, I would also say that most AOL newbies will do anything for free service.
"help! help! I'm being repressed!" cries the AOLers logged on for free.
July 18 - I just tried to connect to America Online. I've heard it is the best online service I can get. They even included a free disk! I'd better hold onto it incase they don't ever send me anther one! I can't connect. I don't know what is wrong.
July 19 - Some guy at the tech support center says my computer needs a modem. I don't see why. He's just trying to cheat me. How dumb does he think I am?
July 22 - I bought the modem. I couldn't figure out where it goes. It wouldn't fit in the monitor or the printer. I'm confused.
July 23 - I finally got the modem in and hooked up. that nine year old next door did it for me. But it still don't work. I can't get online.
July 25 - That nine year old kid next door hooked me up to America Online for me. He's so smart. I told the kid he was a prodigy. But he says that's just another service. What a modest kid. He's so smart and he does these services for people. Anyway he's smarter then the jerks who sold me the modem. They didn't even tell me about communications software. Bet they didn't know. And why do they put two telephone jack holes in the back of a modem when you only need one? And why do they have one labeled phone when you are not suppose to hook it to the phone jack on the wall? I thought the dial tone sounded funny! Boy, are modem makers dumb! But the kid figured it out by the sound.
July 26 - What's the internet? I thought I was on America Online. Not this internet thing. I'm confused.
July 27 - The nine year old kid next door showed me how to use this America Online stuff. I told him he must be a genius. He says that he is compared to me. Maybe he's not so modest after all.
July 28 - I tried to use chat today. I tried to talk into my computer but nothing happened. maybe I need to buy a microphone.
July 29 - I found this thing called usenet. I got out of it because I'm connected to America Online not usenet.
July 30 - These people in this usenet thing keep using capital letters. How do they do that? I never figured out how to type capital letters. Maybe they have a different type of keyboard.
JULY 31 - I CALLED THE COMPUTER MAKER I BOUGHT IT FROM TO COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT HAVING A CAPITOL LETTER KEY. THE TECH SUPPORT GUY SAID IT WAS THIS CAPS LOCK KEY. WHY DIDN'T THEY SPELL IT OUT? I TOLD HIM I GOT A CHEAP KEYBOARD AND WANTED A BETTER ONE. AND ONE OF MY SHIFT KEYS ISNT THE SAME SIZE AS THE OTHER. HE SAID THATS A STANDARD. I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T WANT A STANDARD KEYBOARD BUT ANOTHER BRAND. I MUST HAVE HAD AN IMPORTANT COMPLAINT BECAUSE I HEARD HIM TELL THE OTHER SUPPORT GUYS TO LISTEN IN ON OUR CONVERSATION.
AUGUST 1 - I FOUND THIS THING CALLED THE USENET ORACLE. IT SAYS THAT IT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I ASK IT. I SENT IT 44 SEPARATE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTERNET. I HOPE IT RESPONDS SOON.
AUGUST 2 - I FOUND A GROUP CALLED REC.HUMOR. I DECIDED TO POST THIS JOKE ABOUT THE CHICKEN THAT CROSSED THE ROAD. TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE! HA! HA! I WASNT SURE I POSTED IT RIGHT SO I POSTED IT 56 MORE TIMES.
AUGUST 3 - I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE WORLD WIDE WEB. I DON'T NOW SPIDERS GREW THAT LARGE.
AUGUST 4 - THE ORACLE RESPONDED TO MY QUESTIONS TODAY. GEEZ IT WAS RUDE. I WAS SO ANGRY THAT I POSTED AN ANGRY MESSAGE ABOUT IT TO REC.HUMOR.ORACLE. I WASNT SURE IF I POSTED RIGHT SO I POSTED IT 22 MORE TIMES.
AUGUST 5 - SOMEONE TOLD ME TO READ THE FAQ. GEEZ THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO USE PROFANITY.
AUGUST 6 - SOMEONE ELSE TOLD ME TO STOP SHOUTING IN ALL MY MESSAGES. WHAT A STUPID JERK. IM NOT SHOUTING! IM NOT EVEN TALKING! JUST TYPING! HOW CAN THEY LET THESE RUDE JERKS GO ON THE INTERNET?
August 7 - Why have a Caps Lock key if you're not suppose to use it? Its probably an extra feature that costs more money.
August 8 - I just read this post called make money fast. I'm so exited. I'm going to make lots of money. I followed his instructions and posted it to every newsgroup I could find.
August 9 - I just made my signature file. Its only 6 pages long. I will have to work on it some more.
August 10 - I just looked at a group called alt.aol.sucks. I read a few posts and I really believe that aol should be wiped off the face of the earth. I wonder what an aol is.
August 11 - I was asking where to find some information about something. Some guy told me to check out ftp.netcom.com. I've looked and looked but I can't find that group.
August 12 - I sent a post to every usenet group on the Internet asking where the ftp.netcom.com is. hopefully someone will help. I can't ask the kid next door. His parents said that when he comes back from my house he's laughing so hard he can't eat or sleep or do his homework. So they wont let him come over anymore. I do have a great sense of humor. I don't know why the rec.humor group didn't like my chicken joke. Maybe they only like dirty stuff. Some people sent me posts about my 56 posts of the joke and they used bad words.
August 13 - I sent another post to every usenet group on the Internet asking where the ftp.netcom.com is. I had forgot yesterday to include my new signature file which is only 8 pages long. I know everyone will want to read my favorite poem so I included it. I'm also going to add that short story I like.
August 14 - Some guy suspended my account because of what I was doing. I told him I don't have an account at his bank. He's so dumb.
Making that case in court will, indeed be an uphill battle.
lol
From the article:
"While company representatives have not said so outright, it appears the move to eliminate what amounted to a $10 a month gratuity for volunteers is related to a recent New York class action lawsuit, brought by former volunteers at America Online (AOL). The plaintiffs are claiming that AOL's practice of relying on what it calls "community leaders" to produce, maintain and moderate online content was tantamount to employment, and hence is covered by American minimum wage laws."
I helped maintained a few Forums for many years on Compuserve out of the the love of the topic I was working with. When my priotities shifted and I no longer had the time to maintain that forum, I'm sure there were other member waiting to help out. In return for helping with so many forums, they gave me free access and made me a "helper" for a few months.
Consider, for a moment, what www.dmoz.org/ is doing with the open directory project. A small group of people using their life experiance and expertise to help other people find relavant information on the web. Once again, this is done out of kindness for the comunity and not for some kind of return. The ony payment is in the satisfaction of a job well done.
The problem with the volenteers is that they're "hooked" and the thought of them just stoping their on-line activity seems forein to them. "Wha?!? give up AOL? ? That would be like not breathing??", they might say, and there is the problem.
If you feel like you should be getting payed for the volenteer work you're doing, you're doing to much, and you should stop. The thought of holding AOL somehow liable for this very generous and fair bartering agreement is just daffy!
One more note: this is a class action suit brought for the volenteers. I smell a team of lawyers in bad suits looking to score easy money.
http://www.gnumed.org
how to implement it
Then there's this from openhealth.com that you might find interesing.
"Why Freemed? Freemed is designed to be not only an office management system designed to run on Linux but also an information system. With this system it is hoped that physicians and providers will be able to collect both demographic and outcome data."
It's open source on MySQL