Re:If spamroll.com is anti-spam...
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First, I don't really understand most of the straw-man logic you present, but that isn't surprising considering the way you posted.
No, Spamroll is not run by spammers...it is run by me. Some of the links you reference were put there not to "promote" spamming organizations, but to instead make people realize that there are some organizations out there that try to get their members to comply with the laws (as well as the unwritten rules and regs which cover the net). Several of the ESPC members are public companies, and they service many more public companies to boot. If they were sending out UNSOLICITED email, law enforcement (as well as their shareholders) would be screaming bloody murder.
While I don't agree with all the premises behind CAN-SPAM, the DMA and ClickZ are quick to continually pound on the need for their constituents to comply with the law. That is a good thing, and should be noted (which is why I do). Several of my posts emphasize the point. In addition, none of the member organizations are are out there putting up fake websites attempting to steal peoples identities, which I think is a bigger (and faster growing) issue anyway.
If you purchase products over the net, and/or stick your email address in a webform, looking for something for nothing, don't expect to recieve nothing. If you read the fine print, there is a lot of opt-in language that abounds. That doesn't make it spam, it makes it solicited.
Meanwhile, as your last point about a link to NANAE is makes no sense whatsoever, I'll just point you in the right direction. My background is located under about the author at www.thoughtmarket.com. If you would like to send me your background, contact information, and whathave you, I would be happy to discuss the issue in further detail. By the way, I have a half dozen other sites up or in development, and none of them contain any links to each other. I believe they should all stand on their own (i.e. I don't like gaming search engine rankings either).
As for the "so on", well please elaborate. Just because someone puts something together that cuts to the root of some issues, instead of repeatedly posting "KILL ALL SPAMMERS," doesn't make it a pro-spam site run by spammers. Take the tin-foil hat off, after you get your head out of your ass, that is. If you are so adamantly opposed to someone covering some minimal operating costs by using some very well labeled ads to do so, please feel free to make a monthly contribution, and I will take them out.
SamSpade deserves its credibility
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Steve,
There is no doubt you, your site and your work deserve lot of credibility in "the business." What I am trying to do with Spamroll is not upend anyone's credibility, but instead try to enhance it by letting the general population know that you actually exist.
Whether or not Brian's book appeals to the technical set, it will get good shelf space. That means an everyday email user may get curious and pick it up. And that means they will realize a fight IS going on, and quit complaining to their sys admin or ISP everytime they get spammed. They become more aware, and learn to deal with the problem in the interim, as well as avoid the "user errors" that exacerbate the problem in the first place.
That makes yours and your colleague's job easier, and that should be a good thing, eh?
Also, note in the introduction that Spamroll is classified as "new", hence there is no reason to believe you would or should have heard of it. If you have some suggestions on how I can spread the word in a more effective (or more credible, which ever you prefer) manner, please let me know. I have provided a link to your sites tools section (long ago), but would be overjoyed to get your additional input.
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First, I don't really understand most of the straw-man logic you present, but that isn't surprising considering the way you posted.
No, Spamroll is not run by spammers...it is run by me. Some of the links you reference were put there not to "promote" spamming organizations, but to instead make people realize that there are some organizations out there that try to get their members to comply with the laws (as well as the unwritten rules and regs which cover the net). Several of the ESPC members are public companies, and they service many more public companies to boot. If they were sending out UNSOLICITED email, law enforcement (as well as their shareholders) would be screaming bloody murder.
While I don't agree with all the premises behind CAN-SPAM, the DMA and ClickZ are quick to continually pound on the need for their constituents to comply with the law. That is a good thing, and should be noted (which is why I do). Several of my posts emphasize the point. In addition, none of the member organizations are are out there putting up fake websites attempting to steal peoples identities, which I think is a bigger (and faster growing) issue anyway.
If you purchase products over the net, and/or stick your email address in a webform, looking for something for nothing, don't expect to recieve nothing. If you read the fine print, there is a lot of opt-in language that abounds. That doesn't make it spam, it makes it solicited.
Meanwhile, as your last point about a link to NANAE is makes no sense whatsoever, I'll just point you in the right direction. My background is located under about the author at www.thoughtmarket.com. If you would like to send me your background, contact information, and whathave you, I would be happy to discuss the issue in further detail. By the way, I have a half dozen other sites up or in development, and none of them contain any links to each other. I believe they should all stand on their own (i.e. I don't like gaming search engine rankings either).
As for the "so on", well please elaborate. Just because someone puts something together that cuts to the root of some issues, instead of repeatedly posting "KILL ALL SPAMMERS," doesn't make it a pro-spam site run by spammers. Take the tin-foil hat off, after you get your head out of your ass, that is. If you are so adamantly opposed to someone covering some minimal operating costs by using some very well labeled ads to do so, please feel free to make a monthly contribution, and I will take them out.
Steve,
There is no doubt you, your site and your work deserve lot of credibility in "the business." What I am trying to do with Spamroll is not upend anyone's credibility, but instead try to enhance it by letting the general population know that you actually exist.
Whether or not Brian's book appeals to the technical set, it will get good shelf space. That means an everyday email user may get curious and pick it up. And that means they will realize a fight IS going on, and quit complaining to their sys admin or ISP everytime they get spammed. They become more aware, and learn to deal with the problem in the interim, as well as avoid the "user errors" that exacerbate the problem in the first place.
That makes yours and your colleague's job easier, and that should be a good thing, eh?
Also, note in the introduction that Spamroll is classified as "new", hence there is no reason to believe you would or should have heard of it. If you have some suggestions on how I can spread the word in a more effective (or more credible, which ever you prefer) manner, please let me know. I have provided a link to your sites tools section (long ago), but would be overjoyed to get your additional input.
Regards,
Michael