Aside from the fact that they did hack in and steal the code.
It seems pretty obvious that the extortion was entrapment.
Funny. Both Symantec and the cops have egg on their face on this one. Those guys better be well and truly anonymous because they have stirred the hornets nest.
And a L!nux car would have to be filled with L!nux air and would only work on L!nux roads and would not be able to drive to most entertainment venues...
The point behind Linux is that you can do whatever you want with it. Changing that analogy, which works for windows, by substituting the word Linux, merely breaks the analogy.
Corporations have no obligations whatsoever to do what YOU feel is right and/or ethical.
Their one and only reason for existance is to provide value to their shareholders within the existing legal framework.
That is absolutely false. Corporations are legal entities granted by a government to fulfill a charter. If the charter has nothing in it that serves the public good, there is no reason to grant it. The idea is that if they do not fulfil their charter, it, can be revoked.
We should be enforcing these laws.
When an individual is like that, we call them a psychopath and lock them away from society for the good of all. Sounds like a plan.
And corporations exist because governments allow them to, for the purpose of fulfilling their charters. It's way past time that many of these charters should be revoked.
They should just sell some with _nothing_ installed...
Yes, that is what this is all about. The law says that they have to do that. I don't see what the big deal is, but somehow the shills insist that Lenovo should force the customers to pay for Windows. The excuses are varied and weak, but they all basically revolve around that same issue.
Then don't. No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to buy a system pre-loaded with MS Windows.
No they don't, it's against the law. They just refuse to honour the law. I've paid for a few windows licenses (MS Tax) I didn't want. Except for the agreement (that they do not honour) it's fraud.
Lenovo didn't put a gun to their head.
Obligitory car analogy: When I bought my car I didn't return the carpet for a partial refund because I wanted to put my feet on bare metal.
Lenovo stated in the purchase agreement, as per the law, that the M$ license would be refunded if the customer didn't want it. One might conclude from the strenuous resistance by the Microsoft shills, that Lenovo put a gun to their own head.
And that's not an analogy, it's very poor sarcasm.
Exactly. You don't expect to buy a car and return the steering wheel do you?
No, I expect to buy a car and not find that every model from every brand comes with a dead body painstakingly sewn to the back seat as a mandatory option.
I'm pretty sure that's against the law. Are you talking about leather seats?
Not in India you aren't. The Indian courts aren't concerned with gods not worshiped in India. And the courts in India aren't concerned with what offends you.
Christians have an equally long tradition of opposing freedom of speech when it's not in their taste. And of cause in much of Europe it is still illegal to publicly criticize the Jewish faith.
Yes, saying that the holocaust didn't happen is a criminal offense. Meanwhile Israel has been exterminating Palestinians since 1948, and denying it.
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But to argue that the entity Anon in that email is doing anything other then extortion is absolute bullshit.
Is that not how you would proceed if you wanted to do exactly what they did?
Actually, after having read a portion of the emails, it wasn't anything close to entrapment.
Entrapment? I do not think it means what you think it means.
What?
Inconceivable.
I didn't think Anonymous would ever be so stupid as to try and extort money from a big company..
They didn't try extortion, it was offered and declined.
Aside from the fact that they did hack in and steal the code.
It seems pretty obvious that the extortion was entrapment.
Funny. Both Symantec and the cops have egg on their face on this one. Those guys better be well and truly anonymous because they have stirred the hornets nest.
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I'm hoping for the second - at least that gives me *some* sort of chance if I'm quick and lucky.
LOL! Having a bad day?
True enough, Linux won't get you laid either. You have to do that yourself.
We shouldn't be forced to pay for a software licence just because we want to buy a piece of hardware.
Who is holding a gun to your head and making you buy from Lenovo?
This is repeated so often in this thread that I think the shills don't actually take the time to read anything.
All anyone wants is for Lenovo to honour their purchase agreement.
Huh? I don't see how anyone is forced to buy a computer.
No,the problem is that you are forced to buy Windows with it. That's the issue here, try to stay on the same page.
If you can't get the tires you want on a car purchase, you need to upgrade your negotiating skills.
And a L!nux car would have to be filled with L!nux air and would only work on L!nux roads and would not be able to drive to most entertainment venues...
The point behind Linux is that you can do whatever you want with it. Changing that analogy, which works for windows, by substituting the word Linux, merely breaks the analogy.
Corporations have no obligations whatsoever to do what YOU feel is right and/or ethical. Their one and only reason for existance is to provide value to their shareholders within the existing legal framework.
That is absolutely false. Corporations are legal entities granted by a government to fulfill a charter. If the charter has nothing in it that serves the public good, there is no reason to grant it. The idea is that if they do not fulfil their charter, it, can be revoked.
We should be enforcing these laws.
When an individual is like that, we call them a psychopath and lock them away from society for the good of all. Sounds like a plan.
And corporations exist because governments allow them to, for the purpose of fulfilling their charters. It's way past time that many of these charters should be revoked.
They should just sell some with _nothing_ installed...
Yes, that is what this is all about. The law says that they have to do that. I don't see what the big deal is, but somehow the shills insist that Lenovo should force the customers to pay for Windows.
The excuses are varied and weak, but they all basically revolve around that same issue.
Then don't. No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to buy a system pre-loaded with MS Windows.
No they don't, it's against the law. They just refuse to honour the law. I've paid for a few windows licenses (MS Tax) I didn't want. Except for the agreement (that they do not honour) it's fraud.
Lenovo didn't put a gun to their head. Obligitory car analogy: When I bought my car I didn't return the carpet for a partial refund because I wanted to put my feet on bare metal.
Lenovo stated in the purchase agreement, as per the law, that the M$ license would be refunded if the customer didn't want it. One might conclude from the strenuous resistance by the Microsoft shills, that Lenovo put a gun to their own head.
And that's not an analogy, it's very poor sarcasm.
Where? What laws explicitly state this? I have a feeling you're severely misinterpreting something there.
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Exactly. You don't expect to buy a car and return the steering wheel do you?
No, I expect to buy a car and not find that every model from every brand comes with a dead body painstakingly sewn to the back seat as a mandatory option.
I'm pretty sure that's against the law. Are you talking about leather seats?
Sure, that's your view. Some european countries took a different view.
It just doesn't seem to have anything to do with any actions by Israel.
I was attempting to illustrate the irony.
I'm saying that I shouldn't go to jail for expressing an opinion.
It's always good when genocide does not succeed. The Germans have stopped, that's good. Now if the Israeli's would stop, that would be good as well.
at least I'm right.
Not in India you aren't. The Indian courts aren't concerned with gods not worshiped in India. And the courts in India aren't concerned with what offends you.
Muslims are laid back? Really?!!! Tell it to the numerous muslim terrorist groups out to burn the world.
So because there are some Muslim terrorists, all Muslims are terrorists? That means that all Christians are terrorists too.
Christians have an equally long tradition of opposing freedom of speech when it's not in their taste. And of cause in much of Europe it is still illegal to publicly criticize the Jewish faith.
Yes, saying that the holocaust didn't happen is a criminal offense. Meanwhile Israel has been exterminating Palestinians since 1948, and denying it.
Let me get this straight, you are advocating killing all the Muslims as a solution to, what exactly?
... can I file a suit that says all references to God mocks my opinion and have Google remove those links from every search?
Yes