Maybe these things are important for you. Most of the world is actually uncharted teritory so you should be glad google shows at least the capital of your country.
I don't want to be rude or smth., but there are some (a lot actually) of us who don't live in the US or the UK, and for us Google Maps is mostly useless. Google is always proud of being a global company so they should not forget about the importance of making their service useful for most of us.
I agree that Mozilla Application Suite would have made much more on the corporate users then SeaMonkey. Serious people will probably skip this app entirely, even before they find out what it is all about.
It is free, fully-functional and cross-platform, and looks pretty much the same as Outlook, so the perfect choice to get people to change to open source.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. I think that bundling everything into several tar-balls (or rpm's) is a very good move. OpenOffice is not targeted at system administrators or power users that would know how to install all the dependencies their software has. OpenOffice is targeted at people like my mother writing documents for their work. Those people would simply be scared to death if the software would not just work out of the box, on any system. I know that is the exact opposite of how things work on Linux, but you have to understand that this is the best interest of the users, whether they have the technical expertise or not. Wasting a little bit of space or bandwidth is simply not a problem any more these days.
My remark was not speciffically about this post, which is pretty OK. I just have the impression that Microsoft-related articles tend to arouse much more animosity then almost any other kind of Slashdot article. And there were a lot of these type of articles lately. I'm starting to become tiered of flaming microsofties, so maybe I will just skip them.
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You should calm down. First, the Firefox 1.5 Beta is only for testing purposes, and using it in a production environment is entirely on your risk. Yes, things can break sooner or later, but users are warned about it. Second, regular users downloading Firefox will still get the stable 1.0.6 version. In order to get the beta, they have to use a different link, and they are warned before they download. Third, even in Firefox 1.0.0 the automatic update mechanism is pretty good. That is, Firefox will automatically search for updates and users will be prompted if a newer version is found. If they choose not to update, they do so on their own risk. Fourth, starting with 1.5 "notification of an update is more prominent, and updates to Firefox may now be half a megabyte or smaller.". Finally, if you have any problems about Mozilla implementing drafts in betas you can of course document the possible problems and notify the guys actively involved in the development of Firefox. They seem very open to constructive suggestions. Otherwise, you can just disable the CSS extensions in your copy of Firefox (if it's not already disabled by default... check the about:config) or get the source and do anything you want with it. Just trolling about something you could get as a gift and but you didn't even try is pretty illogical, esspecialy if coming from an IE background. Are you working for Microsoft of someting, that it would be so hard to you to try someting new and cool? Or is it just more exciting to be a target until holly IE7 comes along?
No matter how much I would like this to happen, it won't. Most people will always be stupid or careless enough to buy Microsoft's products. No matter how bad they are or how good the alternatives are. This is just the sad truth:(
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It really wouldn't surprise me to see IE8 (or 7.5 or whatever they call it) shipped within 6 months of the release of IE7. Knowing Mozilla, Firfox 1.5 might be done by then.
Do you have something to back this claim up, or is it just wishful thinking? The fact is that Firefox 1.5 had already two alphas and one beta released, and they are very stable, and the final release is expected by the end of the year (BTW, have you ever tried Firefox?). What are the odds to see at least IE7 being released by the end of the year? I would really love to cut half of the development time of my team by not having to work around IE bugs anymore. However it looks like IE5-6 will be around for a lot of time:(
I doubt Firefox has CSS 3.
Firefox has in fact already implemented parts of CSS3 and they come with the beta.
If they do, they're making a HUGE mistake. CSS3 is still in development, and issuing a browser based on it today will likely result in behavior that's different from the final standard, which means yet another set of hacks to support non-standard features.
You are new to open source, aren't you? It is not a problem if the final version of the standard will be (a little) different then the current one. Firefox releases are very often (Firefox had 7 stable releases in the last year, not one every 5 years like IE) and the automatic update mechanism will make the transition very smooth. Nobody will have to target old versions of Firefox for more then one month or someting.
This is what the -moz properties are for, to give more advanced functionality, but prevent it from colliding with possibly changed features in the standard. It's absolutely irresponsible for FF developers to make CSS3 features available using proposed CSS3 properties.
You made me lough. FF is irresponsible for releasing the bleeding edge of web standards while it is just OK for Microsoft not to release anything for 5 years, and leave us with a very crappy browser implementation on 90% of the desktops. Really, which approach do you think helps driving web standards further and which one is more responsible? And don't start with the "Microsoft changed, they now promote standards" bullshit because I already heard that from a lot of Microsoft fans, since 1998. They are doing it now just because they see Firefox as a big threat. As soon as they manage to deal with it, all the Microsoft-behind-standards bullshit will be over and they will go back to the thing they do best. What is this? "The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world!". How will they do this? By locking users and developers to Windows,.NET and now Sparkle. Some people never get it though.
From what I read you have a lot of boxes with different operating systems. Are you playing games on them or something? Otherwise I would see no reason to just install Linux on all of them so that you don't have to pay anything to anyone.
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Come on... you are really eating Microsoft's Blushit(TM) with a large spoon. How can they be as compliant as Firefox 2.0, 3.0 or whatever the Firefox version will be in 2008-2009, when even the Mozilla guys don't know what new features will implement then. In my opinion even trying to make IE as good as Firefox 1.5 would be a VERY ambitious goal. Firefox 1.5 is already supporting SVG, CSS 3, JavaScript 1.6. But why am I bringing you arguments that are already backed by code, when people like you simply love arguments that start like this "Microsoft announced that {name of microsoft product shiping in n>3 years} will have feature {x}, {y that they will probably not finish until revision 2 of the product} and {z that they are not even planning to do}". Well, we know how well Microsoft was at making estimates with Longhorn/Vista when it comes to time and features included.
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Have you read this? [...] Have you read this?
Cannot agree moew with grandparent. This IS lip service. They are promoting the fact that they are FIXING BUGS that are 3-4-5 years old, for god sake. You must be really brainwashed if you think that Microsoft has changed. When was the last time you tried a technology not coming from Microsoft? Have you tried Google Talk? Maybe a recent distribution of Linux? OpenSolaris? MacOS?
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Microsoft's brand of innovation
LOL. This is really funny. The word Microsoft simply does not fit anywhere near the word innovation. It is just grammar. They should be teaching this in schools.
This would be the first thing Microsoft releases for Linux and BSD... ever. MacOS is a different... they already have Office and Internet Explorer on MacOS. Do you really expect me to believe this?
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Maybe these things are important for you. Most of the world is actually uncharted teritory so you should be glad google shows at least the capital of your country.
I don't want to be rude or smth., but there are some (a lot actually) of us who don't live in the US or the UK, and for us Google Maps is mostly useless. Google is always proud of being a global company so they should not forget about the importance of making their service useful for most of us.
Then I saw this: http://www.authorsguild.org/
Authors Guild Sues Google, Citing "Massive Copyright Infringement"
Class Action Settlement Amended to Cover Amazon.com and Highbeam
Supreme Court Backs Copyright Holders in Grokster Decision
New Judgment Filed Against Agent; Guild Seeks Information from Clients
Fox News Drops Suit Against Franken
Is anyone asked when her website is indexed ? Why should this be any different with books?
I agree that Mozilla Application Suite would have made much more on the corporate users then SeaMonkey. Serious people will probably skip this app entirely, even before they find out what it is all about.
It is free, fully-functional and cross-platform, and looks pretty much the same as Outlook, so the perfect choice to get people to change to open source.
Judging from the screenshots, it looks like they copied the Outlook interface. Is this something good?
Because this "scales" to exactly one developer.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. I think that bundling everything into several tar-balls (or rpm's) is a very good move. OpenOffice is not targeted at system administrators or power users that would know how to install all the dependencies their software has. OpenOffice is targeted at people like my mother writing documents for their work. Those people would simply be scared to death if the software would not just work out of the box, on any system. I know that is the exact opposite of how things work on Linux, but you have to understand that this is the best interest of the users, whether they have the technical expertise or not. Wasting a little bit of space or bandwidth is simply not a problem any more these days.
Indeed, the SpreadOpenOffice.org site has been set up to provide a similar level of marketing push.
The activity on this site is very low and even the link to OpenOffice is outdated. No way this can compare to SpreadFirefox.com.
My remark was not speciffically about this post, which is pretty OK. I just have the impression that Microsoft-related articles tend to arouse much more animosity then almost any other kind of Slashdot article. And there were a lot of these type of articles lately. I'm starting to become tiered of flaming microsofties, so maybe I will just skip them.
Do we really have to have a Slashdot post followed by a flamewar every time a guy at Microsoft opens his mouth?
Dupe? Advertising!
I already told you my point. If you really think you are right, go bug the Firefox guys ... not me. I'm very happy with the result of their hard work.
Don't worry. We'll remotely install it for you ;)
You should calm down. First, the Firefox 1.5 Beta is only for testing purposes, and using it in a production environment is entirely on your risk. Yes, things can break sooner or later, but users are warned about it. Second, regular users downloading Firefox will still get the stable 1.0.6 version. In order to get the beta, they have to use a different link, and they are warned before they download. Third, even in Firefox 1.0.0 the automatic update mechanism is pretty good. That is, Firefox will automatically search for updates and users will be prompted if a newer version is found. If they choose not to update, they do so on their own risk. Fourth, starting with 1.5 "notification of an update is more prominent, and updates to Firefox may now be half a megabyte or smaller.". Finally, if you have any problems about Mozilla implementing drafts in betas you can of course document the possible problems and notify the guys actively involved in the development of Firefox. They seem very open to constructive suggestions. Otherwise, you can just disable the CSS extensions in your copy of Firefox (if it's not already disabled by default ... check the about:config) or get the source and do anything you want with it. Just trolling about something you could get as a gift and but you didn't even try is pretty illogical, esspecialy if coming from an IE background. Are you working for Microsoft of someting, that it would be so hard to you to try someting new and cool? Or is it just more exciting to be a target until holly IE7 comes along?
No matter how much I would like this to happen, it won't. Most people will always be stupid or careless enough to buy Microsoft's products. No matter how bad they are or how good the alternatives are. This is just the sad truth :(
It really wouldn't surprise me to see IE8 (or 7.5 or whatever they call it) shipped within 6 months of the release of IE7. Knowing Mozilla, Firfox 1.5 might be done by then.
:(
.NET and now Sparkle. Some people never get it though.
Do you have something to back this claim up, or is it just wishful thinking? The fact is that Firefox 1.5 had already two alphas and one beta released, and they are very stable, and the final release is expected by the end of the year (BTW, have you ever tried Firefox?). What are the odds to see at least IE7 being released by the end of the year? I would really love to cut half of the development time of my team by not having to work around IE bugs anymore. However it looks like IE5-6 will be around for a lot of time
I doubt Firefox has CSS 3.
Firefox has in fact already implemented parts of CSS3 and they come with the beta.
If they do, they're making a HUGE mistake. CSS3 is still in development, and issuing a browser based on it today will likely result in behavior that's different from the final standard, which means yet another set of hacks to support non-standard features.
You are new to open source, aren't you? It is not a problem if the final version of the standard will be (a little) different then the current one. Firefox releases are very often (Firefox had 7 stable releases in the last year, not one every 5 years like IE) and the automatic update mechanism will make the transition very smooth. Nobody will have to target old versions of Firefox for more then one month or someting.
This is what the -moz properties are for, to give more advanced functionality, but prevent it from colliding with possibly changed features in the standard. It's absolutely irresponsible for FF developers to make CSS3 features available using proposed CSS3 properties.
You made me lough. FF is irresponsible for releasing the bleeding edge of web standards while it is just OK for Microsoft not to release anything for 5 years, and leave us with a very crappy browser implementation on 90% of the desktops. Really, which approach do you think helps driving web standards further and which one is more responsible? And don't start with the "Microsoft changed, they now promote standards" bullshit because I already heard that from a lot of Microsoft fans, since 1998. They are doing it now just because they see Firefox as a big threat. As soon as they manage to deal with it, all the Microsoft-behind-standards bullshit will be over and they will go back to the thing they do best. What is this? "The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world!". How will they do this? By locking users and developers to Windows,
From what I read you have a lot of boxes with different operating systems. Are you playing games on them or something? Otherwise I would see no reason to just install Linux on all of them so that you don't have to pay anything to anyone.
Come on ... you are really eating Microsoft's Blushit(TM) with a large spoon. How can they be as compliant as Firefox 2.0, 3.0 or whatever the Firefox version will be in 2008-2009, when even the Mozilla guys don't know what new features will implement then. In my opinion even trying to make IE as good as Firefox 1.5 would be a VERY ambitious goal. Firefox 1.5 is already supporting SVG, CSS 3, JavaScript 1.6. But why am I bringing you arguments that are already backed by code, when people like you simply love arguments that start like this "Microsoft announced that {name of microsoft product shiping in n>3 years} will have feature {x}, {y that they will probably not finish until revision 2 of the product} and {z that they are not even planning to do}". Well, we know how well Microsoft was at making estimates with Longhorn/Vista when it comes to time and features included.
Have you read this? [...] Have you read this?
Cannot agree moew with grandparent. This IS lip service. They are promoting the fact that they are FIXING BUGS that are 3-4-5 years old, for god sake. You must be really brainwashed if you think that Microsoft has changed. When was the last time you tried a technology not coming from Microsoft? Have you tried Google Talk? Maybe a recent distribution of Linux? OpenSolaris? MacOS?
Microsoft's brand of innovation
LOL. This is really funny. The word Microsoft simply does not fit anywhere near the word innovation. It is just grammar. They should be teaching this in schools.
This would be the first thing Microsoft releases for Linux and BSD ... ever. MacOS is a different ... they already have Office and Internet Explorer on MacOS. Do you really expect me to believe this?
Do you really want to know the truth? ;)
Does it run on Linux?