A shift will need to take place in the priorities of those in the "First World" regarding water usage, diet, food and crop priorities, etc;. The overly consumptive lifestyle we have been used to will need to become a thing of the past.
I guess they think that if they don't try to debunk something that is important to only a very small percentage of the public, that that group will then assume NASA's silence is "proof" that Nibiru is on its way to smash into us.
Hey, I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but this is utter horseshit.
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My thoughts exactly. Well done writeup about Trillian!
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Because back during the days of Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL, there really wasn't a "Web" as we know it. In the late 80's-mid 90's people were either on BBS's or on one of those services. Prodigy didn't even have a "portal" to the "World Wide Web" until late '94...
So to contrast that era to the mid 90's to now, when we have had a much more developed or "grown" Web, users migrated back to the "Garden" of FB.
That was my point.
I agree with much of your analysis.
However the speed of technological change, and the rate at which human labor becomes irrelevant, are quickly outpacing any kind of egalitarian drive in human society, any kind of evolution as a species regarding our interactions with one another.
The reality is, in the next 50 years much of the human race, especially in the developed world, will become irrelevant to the "machine world" that will replace human labor. The systems in place to support the lifestyles of those in control won't need the millions of permanently un-employed, and they won't foot the bill for some kind of social welfare system to keep them quiet.
More likely a permanent state of drugged obedience via constant virtual escapism while being constantly controlled and monitored by the omniscient security apparatus.
The web always was a sewer... The difference now is that it is a corporatized, guided, walled-in, groupthink sewer as opposed to the chaotic sewer it used to be.
You must acknowledge the fact that if you were around for Web 1.0 and can remember those days that you are, like me, one of the old fogeys of the web. I've been online since '93 and I don't have a FB account, yet I have friends and relatives that think I'm some kind of noob because they can't find me on FB! Too funny.
There is a definite "generation gap" between we who remember "the good old days" of the web and those who were incubated in the SOSHAL web 2.0 groupthink.
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I never understood why there was such a backlash against Trillian.
I use it also.
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The fascinating thing is how the public now thinks that FB is "The Web/Internet". They chat through it, post pics, etc; Everything is done via FB and for someone to go to a site outside of FB is almost alien to many in that "Gilded Cage".
I would recommend reading some of the things Marshall Brain has written about this. He has(IMHO) the best take on this of any of the "futurists" I've read, including Kurzweil and the rest.
Schmidt is correct in saying that his livlihood, and that of Google and all other multi-national corporations is dependent upon customers. Customers who are well paid and well educated.
Will robotics and computers continue to take jobs away by "increasing productivity"? Will there be an unemployed segment of the population that will grow every year, regardless of what politicians do? I think so.
As the permanent underclass of unemployed grows and impacts corporate profits, it will be interesting to see what will happen. Large scale discontent will be largely controlled by the police state/security apparatus that we live in now already. No one will be able to make a difference and the 1% with all the toys will be able to live in a world completely removed from the reality that the rest endures. It is almost like this now.
Unless something like a massive coronal mass ejection happens, we can count on Schmidts, Brains and Joys assessments, that The Future Doesn't Need Us.
This thread and your posts are great!
It's like listening to dialog from the 1978 version of "Invasion of The Body Snatchers":
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: [chats with FBI] I'll get the authorities involved.
FBI Chat Bot: How can I assist you?
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: I'd like to report four bodies in my backyard.
FBI Chat Bot: Wait right there Mr. Bennell.
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: How do you know my name?
Jack Bellicec: [Jack's eyes widen with fear] Disconnect the Hard Line, Matthew.
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: [replies to FBI Chat Bot] I didn't tell you my name.
Jack Bellicec: Disconnect!!!
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: [ends chat session] I didn't tell them my name!
Nancy Bellicec: That's because they're all part of it. They're all Social, all of them!
The climate change we are facing, its effects on our food supply, energy, medicine, etc; will force us in the First World to become more self sufficient and more locally focused.
Unless some firehose of technological/financial miracles takes place to alleviate the problems caused by climate change, we will be forced to adapt. We will be forced to adapt our lifestyles in the coming decades. This doesn't mean living in caves or any other such denier nonsense. If anything this adaptation will be an opportunity for evolution and growth.
It simply means that since the 1% that Rule America are actively and aggressively feeding the flames of environmental destruction, it will be incumbent on the average citizen to build the mechanisms for self reliance on a local level. This is happening now and will only increase as the options for survival of our lifestyle become less palatable.
For details speak with anyone who lived through the Great Depression.
Waiting for the corporations, the government or the church to save you isn't an option.
I had the BB flip phone. Yea it was actually pretty cool, but I couldn't resist getting a killer deal on a GS3. The GS3 is such a blast, rooted and Cyangogen.
Slashdot Mirror
Is that Stratfor link the Anonymous version?
I highly recommend reading this:
http://www.slideshare.net/earthpolicy/full-planet-empty-plates-slideshow-presentation
A shift will need to take place in the priorities of those in the "First World" regarding water usage, diet, food and crop priorities, etc;.
The overly consumptive lifestyle we have been used to will need to become a thing of the past.
I guess they think that if they don't try to debunk something that is important to only a very small percentage of the public, that that group will then assume NASA's silence is "proof" that Nibiru is on its way to smash into us.
Hey, I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but this is utter horseshit.
Humanity has so many things on its plate that coming up with a contrived pseudo-history doomsday event is just ridiculous. Hey, Nibiru nuts,I've got some brand new black-and-white Nike Decades athletic shoes for you to try on.
My thoughts exactly. Well done writeup about Trillian!
Because back during the days of Compuserve, Prodigy and AOL, there really wasn't a "Web" as we know it. In the late 80's-mid 90's people were either on BBS's or on one of those services. Prodigy didn't even have a "portal" to the "World Wide Web" until late '94...
So to contrast that era to the mid 90's to now, when we have had a much more developed or "grown" Web, users migrated back to the "Garden" of FB.
That was my point.
Though I don't agree with some of his prognostications, Marshall Brain has some very interesting articles written regarding human labor and the coming Robot takeover.
Eric Schmidt
You know I see this term bandied about, "post scarcity society" and I have to laugh.
Really? Post scarcity?
Please read up on our prospects for clean drinking water(one among many of coming scarcities.)
I agree with much of your analysis.
However the speed of technological change, and the rate at which human labor becomes irrelevant, are quickly outpacing any kind of egalitarian drive in human society, any kind of evolution as a species regarding our interactions with one another.
The reality is, in the next 50 years much of the human race, especially in the developed world, will become irrelevant to the "machine world" that will replace human labor. The systems in place to support the lifestyles of those in control won't need the millions of permanently un-employed, and they won't foot the bill for some kind of social welfare system to keep them quiet.
More likely a permanent state of drugged obedience via constant virtual escapism while being constantly controlled and monitored by the omniscient security apparatus.
Bang Bang Shoot Shoot
https://www.facebook.com/rlanza
Try google.
I'm surprised I had to read this far down before I saw someone complain about animated gifs...
The web always was a sewer... The difference now is that it is a corporatized, guided, walled-in, groupthink sewer as opposed to the chaotic sewer it used to be.
You must acknowledge the fact that if you were around for Web 1.0 and can remember those days that you are, like me, one of the old fogeys of the web. I've been online since '93 and I don't have a FB account, yet I have friends and relatives that think I'm some kind of noob because they can't find me on FB! Too funny.
There is a definite "generation gap" between we who remember "the good old days" of the web and those who were incubated in the SOSHAL web 2.0 groupthink.
I never understood why there was such a backlash against Trillian.
I use it also.
The fascinating thing is how the public now thinks that FB is "The Web/Internet". They chat through it, post pics, etc; Everything is done via FB and for someone to go to a site outside of FB is almost alien to many in that "Gilded Cage".
Scary and fascinating at the same time.
I knew this was where we were headed, and it will only get worse.
What makes you think it will "clear out"?
I would recommend reading some of the things Marshall Brain has written about this. He has(IMHO) the best take on this of any of the "futurists" I've read, including Kurzweil and the rest.
http://www.marshallbrain.com/
Schmidt is correct in saying that his livlihood, and that of Google and all other multi-national corporations is dependent upon customers. Customers who are well paid and well educated.
Will robotics and computers continue to take jobs away by "increasing productivity"? Will there be an unemployed segment of the population that will grow every year, regardless of what politicians do? I think so.
As the permanent underclass of unemployed grows and impacts corporate profits, it will be interesting to see what will happen. Large scale discontent will be largely controlled by the police state/security apparatus that we live in now already. No one will be able to make a difference and the 1% with all the toys will be able to live in a world completely removed from the reality that the rest endures. It is almost like this now.
Unless something like a massive coronal mass ejection happens, we can count on Schmidts, Brains and Joys assessments, that The Future Doesn't Need Us.
This thread and your posts are great!
It's like listening to dialog from the 1978 version of "Invasion of The Body Snatchers":
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: [chats with FBI] I'll get the authorities involved.
FBI Chat Bot: How can I assist you?
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: I'd like to report four bodies in my backyard.
FBI Chat Bot: Wait right there Mr. Bennell.
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: How do you know my name?
Jack Bellicec: [Jack's eyes widen with fear] Disconnect the Hard Line, Matthew.
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: [replies to FBI Chat Bot] I didn't tell you my name.
Jack Bellicec: Disconnect!!!
Internet User Concerned with Privacy: [ends chat session] I didn't tell them my name!
Nancy Bellicec: That's because they're all part of it. They're all Social, all of them!
Your post has that not-so fresh scent of a shill for Industrial Big Data/Behavior Monitoring/Pre-Crime Complex.
The climate change we are facing, its effects on our food supply, energy, medicine, etc; will force us in the First World to become more self sufficient and more locally focused.
Unless some firehose of technological/financial miracles takes place to alleviate the problems caused by climate change, we will be forced to adapt. We will be forced to adapt our lifestyles in the coming decades. This doesn't mean living in caves or any other such denier nonsense. If anything this adaptation will be an opportunity for evolution and growth.
It simply means that since the 1% that Rule America are actively and aggressively feeding the flames of environmental destruction, it will be incumbent on the average citizen to build the mechanisms for self reliance on a local level. This is happening now and will only increase as the options for survival of our lifestyle become less palatable.
For details speak with anyone who lived through the Great Depression.
Waiting for the corporations, the government or the church to save you isn't an option.
I concur about the Ecco shoes, and you've got the best sig on /.
I had the BB flip phone. Yea it was actually pretty cool, but I couldn't resist getting a killer deal on a GS3. The GS3 is such a blast, rooted and Cyangogen.