and again, I've never had these corruption issues, and I've been running overclocked for the last 6 years. part of desiring the fast computer is simply because of the engineering marvel of it. $100 CPU, made to run as fast as a $999 CPU. If you can do it without any problems whatsoever (and I had NONE ever with that rig), and can do it in 45 minutes, then why not?
The community never went to UT3, I played instagib capture the flag exclusively. You're welcome to do what you like but it's not really my job to convince you I wanted to play the newest game. I was simply trying to point out it's nowhere near as bleak a situation as you seem to think. I think you just had a bad overclocking experience, tons of people have good ones and never have a problem. For poor people, we love to do it-- because it _can_ be done right.
The Crysis games are still CPU limited in areas. If you want to play that game at full settings you need an overclocked i7 rigt with 3x 5870s or 3 gtx480's, etc.
depending on the architecture and bus, the SATA frequency can vary if you're playing with the FSB. It's usually the last 2 ports, ie if you've got 6 it'd be 5 and 6, it's usually in the manual. If you touch the bus frequency and that affects the SATA ports any, WHAM there's your data corruption. I had a friend that learned the hard way.
as for why spend 45 minutes, it's because that $100 chip was noticeably faster when overclocked, and I needed that "fast" _now_ from the cheapest component possible, to play Unreal Tournament 3.
for us younger folk it would be great if you would give us the name of the song, so we can go watch a youtube of it or something. These poems/songs are usually over my head.:(
At the time I made the purchase the Core 2 Extreme x6800 cost $999. My e2180 cost $108.... Feel free to blow $900.
Yes and no.
Yes, I would much rather "blow" $900 than wonder WTF is wrong with my computer after I thought I'd figured this out:
We find the maximum frequency we can run at acceptable voltage and heat.
I value my data much more than that $900. It can also be worked out in terms of real effort -- last time I was working, I made $20/hour, so that $900 works out to about 45 hours. I easily spent more time than that building my own computer and trying to overclock it properly. I understand that it's enjoyable, but not nearly as much as my real job was.
However, in the real world, I doubt I'd spend more than $100 or $200 on a CPU, partly because I have some patience. Where's the appeal in spending all that time and money, not to mention the risk, when that "extreme" whatever will be a commodity in another year or two?
How did it take you 45 hours to overclock it? I finished in about 45 minutes. It's simple, set voltage to something higher but within the CPU spec, clock the core up while you're running Prime95 as a preliminary test, up 100Mhz, another 100Mhz, etc...when you get close to the known limit of the chip (3.2Ghz for the e21x0 series of chips when I had that one) you clock it up 30 Mhz...another 30Mhz... Prime95 errors out before the computer completely locks up, so then you back off 100Mhz or so, check your temps to make sure you're good, and then start Prime95 again and leave it running as you go to work, go to bed, or whatever. If you're still running within 6hours, you're good to go.
I've been overclocking for 5 years and have yet to have any data corruption. Partly that depends on the architecture, and partly on if you've got your hard drives connected to the locked SATA ports.
Get them out before we have to endure more imcompetence. Is it any wonder the middle east is 3rd world? Those towelheads are to stipud to make a bumb even!
Careful, there. I have posted all sorts of horrible depraved "nigger" jokes, "Jew" jokes, and the like, and not one thing happened. Then I posted a joke about Muslims and Mohammad and *bam*, suddenly my IP address was blocked from Slashdot for several days. Slashdot even has a nice little webpage telling you that you've been blocked. Apparently the PC crowd has a lot of rampant favoritism, especially when one particular group gets its panties in a wad and bitches up a storm about everything a hell of a lot more than the others. Isn't it funny how it's considered cool to bash Christians and Judaeo-Christian beliefs in the media and Christians are expected to be adult enough to accept it and deal with it, but you make one negative remark about Islam and it suddenly doesn't work that way? AND no one sees this as a hypocritical double standard that needs to go?
Wow, that's really interesting. Thanks for sharing.
What'll be different, I think, is that a lot less information will be lost in the demise of a "modern" culture simply due to the global (that's the key word here) communications network and data archival abilities we now possess. If the US went into oblivion, the world wouldn't have to re-invent the Ford Model-T or "Freedom Fries"; That data will be quite difficult to get rid of due to geographic redundancy.
Also, spoken langauges don't die off in short periods of time. Given the available compute power and potential advances in translation software, it should be relively easy to bring texts up to the new language. You won't need a giant rock and guys like Daniel Jackson spouting some Goa'uld nonsense.
If you can't read Shakespeare in English, what's the point? Dante's Inferno becomes a work of intellect and story and loses all poetic meaning.
sacrificing a slashdot nerd would most certainly not be my first choice for appeasing the gods. Think of the stench wafting up from that pasty white unwashed skin and oily hair.
blah blah blah, get with the times old folks with small UIDs. A hefty majority of the build-your-own-pc crowd overclocks.
We test with a multitude of stress testing programs that test all parts and instructions of the architecture. We find the maximum frequency we can run at acceptable voltage and heat. There's a linear region of overclocking and an exponential region. Most people find the divergence point and sit there. Those with water cooling can go a little further.
It pretty much is guaranteed, because 90% of us have figured it out and run our rigs overclocked. Head over to anandtech forums and look at the rigs people have listed in their signatures at the end of posts. 4Ghz core i7's all over the place, 3.8ghz Ph2's all over the place...
it's much saner for me to simply buy a faster CPU, rather than trying to overclock it myself.
Cool. Scroll down to the graph. At the time I made the purchase the Core 2 Extreme x6800 cost $999. My e2180 cost $108. It hit 3.4ghz on the nose with 1.48v no sweat, never locked up in anything. Feel free to blow $900. For me it was a cheap, fun hobby while I was in school.
Essentially they both just detect if other cores can be powered down, power them down and then crank up the clock speed on the single cores because heat/power doesn't matter if the other cores are turned off or in the low megahertz. AMD's solution is like an afterthought because their architecture is older than Intel's while Intel's was built in to the architecture.
It's actually existed since the original Phenom series of chips that came out a few years ago; and they've only recently given the BIOS code for it in these newer chips.
On my Phenom 2 720BE (which I unlocked to a quad) I use Phenom MSR Tweaker to control my power states and multiplier settings. I can have 1, 2, 3, or all 4 of my cores overclocked. Core 1 hits 3.8ghz better than 2, 3, and 4; but I leave them all at 3.5ghz.
I thought the point of post-secondary education was that attendance is optional, knowledge of course content is required, and verified by examination. Some of my profs were among the most brilliant people I've ever met. Sadly, a number of them had the personality and teaching skill of a venomous reptile. Forcing students into regular contact with them would have been regarded as a war crime in any civilized country on Earth.
haven't you heard? HS pushes students through and HS diplomas mean nothing anymore. College is the new HS.
not really. it is often the case that students skip lecture, and then don't properly learn the material. they then either slow down the pace of the class during labs and recitation, or ask stupid question that they should already know the answer to in lecture, or waste the teacher's and ta's time by getting additional instruction on things they should already be aware of. this all then negatively affects the performance of students who actually try to attend and do all of their work properly.
your conjecture would be correct, if the teaching staff would be willing to let these students fail. however, this often negatively reflects on the performance of the professor. thus, you have students that don't have the good grace to fail quietly, and teachers that have no option but to help them out. everyone suffers as a result.
this is a growing problem in academia. go to any university (there is undoubtedly some form of post-secondary institution geographically close to where you are right now), and ask any of the instructors about this problem. they'll have a lot to say about the subject. so much so, in fact, that they probably wouldn't think to ask why some random person is asking them about class attendance out of the blue.
Idk, if you go to a pro school and not a pushover then the professor and the TA are just like "uh, we already covered that extensively, if you need more info look in the notes". If you do that from the beginning the students figure it out. My friend TA'd OpAmp design and nobody showed up to his office ours AT ALL this semester. The side effect of that is the people that can't learn material by themselves get failed out. But in the long term, that's good for the school's reputation; it's just bad for its finances short term.
you should keep a log on your website of the TV shows worth watching, and post the link here. I don't have time to filter through 50 and figure out which have great character and plot development and which don't. We would all probably appreciate that.
yawn, my friend's netbook who I helped purchase is a hybrid netbook/laptop. It's got a 12" display, 1.6ghz single core core2 architecture CPU (not Atom) and lasts 9.7h in battery life on the lowest brightness setting. Get with the times, the very first gen of netbooks sucked, now they all rock.
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No that's V'ger. Voyager 6 is no more.
and again, I've never had these corruption issues, and I've been running overclocked for the last 6 years.
part of desiring the fast computer is simply because of the engineering marvel of it. $100 CPU, made to run as fast as a $999 CPU. If you can do it without any problems whatsoever (and I had NONE ever with that rig), and can do it in 45 minutes, then why not?
The community never went to UT3, I played instagib capture the flag exclusively.
You're welcome to do what you like but it's not really my job to convince you I wanted to play the newest game.
I was simply trying to point out it's nowhere near as bleak a situation as you seem to think. I think you just had a bad overclocking experience, tons of people have good ones and never have a problem. For poor people, we love to do it-- because it _can_ be done right.
The Crysis games are still CPU limited in areas. If you want to play that game at full settings you need an overclocked i7 rigt with 3x 5870s or 3 gtx480's, etc.
#1 shows you have an extraordinarily small mind if you think that would actually work.
Lol, alternative energies.
depending on the architecture and bus, the SATA frequency can vary if you're playing with the FSB. It's usually the last 2 ports, ie if you've got 6 it'd be 5 and 6, it's usually in the manual. If you touch the bus frequency and that affects the SATA ports any, WHAM there's your data corruption. I had a friend that learned the hard way.
as for why spend 45 minutes, it's because that $100 chip was noticeably faster when overclocked, and I needed that "fast" _now_ from the cheapest component possible, to play Unreal Tournament 3.
for us younger folk it would be great if you would give us the name of the song, so we can go watch a youtube of it or something. These poems/songs are usually over my head. :(
I stopped reading after the first two lines. There is no society without private industry.
At the time I made the purchase the Core 2 Extreme x6800 cost $999. My e2180 cost $108.... Feel free to blow $900.
Yes and no.
Yes, I would much rather "blow" $900 than wonder WTF is wrong with my computer after I thought I'd figured this out:
We find the maximum frequency we can run at acceptable voltage and heat.
I value my data much more than that $900. It can also be worked out in terms of real effort -- last time I was working, I made $20/hour, so that $900 works out to about 45 hours. I easily spent more time than that building my own computer and trying to overclock it properly. I understand that it's enjoyable, but not nearly as much as my real job was.
However, in the real world, I doubt I'd spend more than $100 or $200 on a CPU, partly because I have some patience. Where's the appeal in spending all that time and money, not to mention the risk, when that "extreme" whatever will be a commodity in another year or two?
How did it take you 45 hours to overclock it? I finished in about 45 minutes. It's simple, set voltage to something higher but within the CPU spec, clock the core up while you're running Prime95 as a preliminary test, up 100Mhz, another 100Mhz, etc...when you get close to the known limit of the chip (3.2Ghz for the e21x0 series of chips when I had that one) you clock it up 30 Mhz...another 30Mhz... Prime95 errors out before the computer completely locks up, so then you back off 100Mhz or so, check your temps to make sure you're good, and then start Prime95 again and leave it running as you go to work, go to bed, or whatever. If you're still running within 6hours, you're good to go.
I've been overclocking for 5 years and have yet to have any data corruption. Partly that depends on the architecture, and partly on if you've got your hard drives connected to the locked SATA ports.
No, he's not. At any rate people do that all the time, too no problems. Why? Because a 18g wire can carry a lot of DC current.
Get them out before we have to endure more imcompetence. Is it any wonder the middle east is 3rd world? Those towelheads are to stipud to make a bumb even!
Careful, there. I have posted all sorts of horrible depraved "nigger" jokes, "Jew" jokes, and the like, and not one thing happened. Then I posted a joke about Muslims and Mohammad and *bam*, suddenly my IP address was blocked from Slashdot for several days. Slashdot even has a nice little webpage telling you that you've been blocked. Apparently the PC crowd has a lot of rampant favoritism, especially when one particular group gets its panties in a wad and bitches up a storm about everything a hell of a lot more than the others. Isn't it funny how it's considered cool to bash Christians and Judaeo-Christian beliefs in the media and Christians are expected to be adult enough to accept it and deal with it, but you make one negative remark about Islam and it suddenly doesn't work that way? AND no one sees this as a hypocritical double standard that needs to go?
Wow, that's really interesting. Thanks for sharing.
What'll be different, I think, is that a lot less information will be lost in the demise of a "modern" culture simply due to the global (that's the key word here) communications network and data archival abilities we now possess. If the US went into oblivion, the world wouldn't have to re-invent the Ford Model-T or "Freedom Fries"; That data will be quite difficult to get rid of due to geographic redundancy.
Also, spoken langauges don't die off in short periods of time. Given the available compute power and potential advances in translation software, it should be relively easy to bring texts up to the new language. You won't need a giant rock and guys like Daniel Jackson spouting some Goa'uld nonsense.
If you can't read Shakespeare in English, what's the point? Dante's Inferno becomes a work of intellect and story and loses all poetic meaning.
Don't say that on Slashdot!
Some people might get nervous around here....
sacrificing a slashdot nerd would most certainly not be my first choice for appeasing the gods. Think of the stench wafting up from that pasty white unwashed skin and oily hair.
And more importantly, not all tasks CAN be parallelized.
Why not just run two for twice the price?? Only, this one can be secret.
blah blah blah, get with the times old folks with small UIDs. A hefty majority of the build-your-own-pc crowd overclocks.
We test with a multitude of stress testing programs that test all parts and instructions of the architecture. We find the maximum frequency we can run at acceptable voltage and heat. There's a linear region of overclocking and an exponential region. Most people find the divergence point and sit there. Those with water cooling can go a little further.
It pretty much is guaranteed, because 90% of us have figured it out and run our rigs overclocked. Head over to anandtech forums and look at the rigs people have listed in their signatures at the end of posts. 4Ghz core i7's all over the place, 3.8ghz Ph2's all over the place...
it's much saner for me to simply buy a faster CPU, rather than trying to overclock it myself.
Cool. Scroll down to the graph.
At the time I made the purchase the Core 2 Extreme x6800 cost $999. My e2180 cost $108. It hit 3.4ghz on the nose with 1.48v no sweat, never locked up in anything.
Feel free to blow $900. For me it was a cheap, fun hobby while I was in school.
Essentially they both just detect if other cores can be powered down, power them down and then crank up the clock speed on the single cores because heat/power doesn't matter if the other cores are turned off or in the low megahertz. AMD's solution is like an afterthought because their architecture is older than Intel's while Intel's was built in to the architecture.
It's actually existed since the original Phenom series of chips that came out a few years ago; and they've only recently given the BIOS code for it in these newer chips.
On my Phenom 2 720BE (which I unlocked to a quad) I use Phenom MSR Tweaker to control my power states and multiplier settings. I can have 1, 2, 3, or all 4 of my cores overclocked. Core 1 hits 3.8ghz better than 2, 3, and 4; but I leave them all at 3.5ghz.
heh, care to guess how many watts a CPU pulls?
Now can you guess how many watts a wall outlet+power cable can give?
Now compare those two....
there's millions of patents granted every year.
The trick is knowing the people to help you get funding, or to help you get grant money, or whatever.
I thought the point of post-secondary education was that attendance is optional, knowledge of course content is required, and verified by examination. Some of my profs were among the most brilliant people I've ever met. Sadly, a number of them had the personality and teaching skill of a venomous reptile. Forcing students into regular contact with them would have been regarded as a war crime in any civilized country on Earth.
haven't you heard? HS pushes students through and HS diplomas mean nothing anymore.
College is the new HS.
not really. it is often the case that students skip lecture, and then don't properly learn the material. they then either slow down the pace of the class during labs and recitation, or ask stupid question that they should already know the answer to in lecture, or waste the teacher's and ta's time by getting additional instruction on things they should already be aware of. this all then negatively affects the performance of students who actually try to attend and do all of their work properly.
your conjecture would be correct, if the teaching staff would be willing to let these students fail. however, this often negatively reflects on the performance of the professor. thus, you have students that don't have the good grace to fail quietly, and teachers that have no option but to help them out. everyone suffers as a result.
this is a growing problem in academia. go to any university (there is undoubtedly some form of post-secondary institution geographically close to where you are right now), and ask any of the instructors about this problem. they'll have a lot to say about the subject. so much so, in fact, that they probably wouldn't think to ask why some random person is asking them about class attendance out of the blue.
Idk, if you go to a pro school and not a pushover then the professor and the TA are just like "uh, we already covered that extensively, if you need more info look in the notes". If you do that from the beginning the students figure it out. My friend TA'd OpAmp design and nobody showed up to his office ours AT ALL this semester. The side effect of that is the people that can't learn material by themselves get failed out. But in the long term, that's good for the school's reputation; it's just bad for its finances short term.
you see, it's ok to kill babies that can survive on their own for days and have a will to live, but not to watch porn.
the internet has moved on it. ;)
If you want points for correlation/causation comments go to digg or reddit
you should keep a log on your website of the TV shows worth watching, and post the link here. I don't have time to filter through 50 and figure out which have great character and plot development and which don't. We would all probably appreciate that.
yawn, my friend's netbook who I helped purchase is a hybrid netbook/laptop. It's got a 12" display, 1.6ghz single core core2 architecture CPU (not Atom) and lasts 9.7h in battery life on the lowest brightness setting.
Get with the times, the very first gen of netbooks sucked, now they all rock.
my Acer Aspire One ao751h claims 8 hours and I get 7.5 (timed) web-browsing with brightness to the lowest setting.
Putting a dual core atom in these is NOT going to make a difference in battery life. We're talking about going from 2.5w to 5w. IE, who cares.