Have you ever read a PGP public key fingerprint over the phone?
No, but I've written them down and handed them to people. Mailing through postal mail also works pretty well (admittadly, subject to interception, but it takes some effort).
Rules of economics apply here as well, simply because if you stop paying for the product most people will stop supplying (I am talking about original designers) and move to another markets.
Oh really? Perhaps you've heard of this "open source" or "free software" phenomenon, where people write code, and for the most part are not paid a penny for it. There's actually a fair number of them. Perhaps you should go inform them that they are breaking the laws of economics.
I'd wait a couple of month to make sure there aren't any 'gotchas' in the new systems.
Maybe, but it has been in testing for over two years.
Given the delays in shipping, I'm assuming(hoping?) that AMD have waited until they ironed out all the problems before releasing, but it's still largely untested in the wild.
I think that was the big idea. The didn't want to screw up their chance to get a piece of the server market from Intel. And I imagine that 760MP has already been tested to limits far beyond where I would push mine.
I'll probably end up buying a 760MP fairly soon:)
Same here. I mean, an SMP system that basically beats a 2x1.7 P4 box hands down on every benchmark Anand threw at it, plus it's cheaper?!?
I think it's about time to replace my P-II 350.:)
Sorry, but I have to ask. What is so obsolete in trying to sell products in exchange for money?
Because I can go and copy those products an infinite number of times with virtually no cost to myself or others - certainly less cost than it is to buy it from the companies. Of course, I'm not buying the product - the product is the phyiscal CD, the packaging, etc. I'm buying the music. I can get the music without the "product", and without paying money for it.
It's just like software - the rules of economics just don't apply. There is (or at least can be) an infinite, unlimited supply. Simple economics (IANAE) says that from an unlimited supply, the price should probably be pretty low. But it's not, unless you consider $15 a CD a low price.
Not only that, but unlike software companies, they music industry can't/won't even offer services, extras, etc. At least _some_ software companies are trying to do it smart. The MPAA is just blindly pushing ahead trying to do anything it can to preserve this fundamentally broken model, regardless of who it hurts.
Yeah, really. The density of those VAXen is amazing (SPARCstations, too - just got an SS5 and it's really heavy for it's size). Circulation? Bah! Who needs circulation?
I also never claimed DES has a backdoor, only that this phone has one. (it was merely my own speculation that it might use DES)
Possibly the guy who said that just didn't know what he was talking about though.
Back when GSM was being developed, Germany wanted it to include strong crypto, but France + UK overruled and so GSM crypto was crap. Maybe now Germany is getting it's way. It's actually kind of weird that France demanded poor crypto, because it's decrypted at the base stations and reencrypted when it's transmitted back out, so it can obviously be read rigth there. I guess they wanted to be able to tool around town listening to GSM conversations on the fly (people have found how to break some of the GSM algorithms in real time).
I remember seeing pics of the old l0pht pad, and they had old circuit boards and hard drives decorating the walls. I'm sure there's enough geeks in the world to take on all the old hardware and turn it into wallpaper, coffee tables, end tables, etc.
Oh, yeah. We've got motherboards from Vaxen and a Sun3 hanging on the walls.
I really want to get a Cray-1 and use it as furniture, but those are somewhat hard to come by...
This is a delicate situation where OpenBSD conceivably broke copyright law and sold CDs as a result.
Wouldn't FreeBSD/NetBSD be in the same boat? Or is the deal that only distributing modified code was bad? I should know this myself, but I still don't know what to make of this license. Upon reading it, I would assume it == BSD, but obviously that is not what the author intented, so I'll just go ahead and ask.
However, until they have something done, there is no reason for them to back Theo.
Yeah, well, as someone else in the room with me just noted, if there's one thing *BSD is good at, it's infighting.:/
If you were English (obviously you're not), you'd be aware of prepaid cards like this for mobile phones, and would know that they are WAY better for privacy than whatever you're probably using now.
I believe such things are also available in America now, too. I know I've seen ads for prepaid cell phones (cash up front for the phone and n minutes, and you go back in and "recharge" the phone when you run out). It's possible they require you to give your name/address/etc anyway, but I really don't know about that.
(BTW, I think the original poster was just trolling, or he has some serious issues, or both)
Just like the thousands of people who wrote the software in mdk didn't 'force' mdk to pay for it. They cannot force me to do anything. I can (and am), using Mandrake without compensating them in any way, and they can't do anything about that. Perhaps you should rephrase your statement to "They can't force you to pay $129 for the OS". Maybe if they could, they would, and maybe they wouldn't. That's not the point. It's impossible for them to force anyone to pay for it.
I'm not saying this is a bad idea, I'm using Mandrake on some of my machines and it's pretty good, etc, etc, and I'm OK with supporting good products, whether that's paying for it, or donating money or time or effort or whatever works. But I don't think your argument is particularly persuavsive, either.
Hardware crypto will never go away entirely. It's not really needed for user machines, as other people have mentioned, but financial instituations want hardware.
First, they have to fit crypto into places without much traditional processing power (ATMs, etc).
Secondly, they have to process lots of inter-bank communications, those all have to be secured, that's a lot of processing time.
Third, I believe hardware is required by at least some banking standards, and it probably helps for insurance reasons, etc as well.
Fourth, better safety against compromise (both leaking the key, and altering the algorithm somehow).
Check out some of the crypto hardware that IBM has made for the AS/400 (popular in financial areas). PCI crypto cards an inch thick, protected by some really serious anti-tampering mechanisms.
OTOH, if I could find a cheap DES PCI card with drivers for *BSD/Linux, I would probably get a couple.:) Hardware is cool.
In fact, the story I heard was that X was created because Sun wouldn't license NeWS to any other workstation vendors!
I think (but am not totally sure) that X was created independantly, because MIT wanted everything in Athena to be in-house stuff. However, the reason X is used everywhere now, and not NeWS or one of it's decendants, is because X was and is non-proprietary.
Yet another example of superior technology dying for business reasons.
Yeah, it really seems to happen a lot. I wonder if there's a webpage with a list of such techs. It would be interesting to see.
Americans are so puritanical about sex when we're so forgiving of graphic violence.
I don't think we actually are puritanical - we (by this I mean Americans in general) just pretend to be that way so we can claim the moral high ground. Because everyone does like sex [OK - very rare exceptions], it's a weapon that can be used against virtually anyone.
380,000 sq km is hardly small. Around the same size as California, if I recall correctly. Much more densly populated, though.
I think that may have been his point. After all, with higher density, you can service a lot more people with a single base station, compared to here, where you have to build them all over the damn place because people are more spread out. Build a few hundred and, wham, you're covering 75% [or whatever] of the population. It's a self-feeding thing, too (more base stations -> more coverage -> more people in coverage area -> more phones sold -> more base stations).
The vapours from the dual-Athlon hardware will clearly overwhelm this real operating hardware.
To quote the last paragraph of the article:
"The real question on everyone's mind is how does the i860 and the Intel Xeon compare to the upcoming 760MP and the Athlon 4? We have been benchmarking that very combination for weeks now and soon enough we will be able to provide you with the definitive answer in many more test scenarios than those we just presented to you."
Yup, just vapor. You moron, dual Athlons motherboards have been out for months, and everyone who has one is under NDA. Do you think Anandtech went out to Best Buy and got a P4 Xeon? P4 Xeons will probably not be available from anyone for at least a few weeks commercially: Intel gave them one, they benchmarked it, and when they got the OK from Intel they released the results.
You mean PDP-11s have a network capability? Shit, we have an ancient PDP-11 in the lab and I was thinking about hooking it into the net, but couldn't find any info if it could do it...
AFAIK they couldn't network in the normal sense (beyond terminals, etc), but you could plug several of them together and have them share the workload. Look here for some small confirmation of this, I'm sure other evidence of it can be found.
Though it could only be the later and/or high-end models - we've got an old product announcemnt package for the PDP-11/24 here in the lab, and there's no mention of clustering.
If you could somehow convice a PDP-11 that it was talking with a serial terminal or another PDP-11, when in fact it was talking to something more modern, I guess you could set up some form of networking on it. Heh, TCP/IP over an VT100/RS-232.
There was only one real operating system to boot and that was VAX.
Well, first, VAX was a hardware platform and not an OS. Secondly, a "real" system back in the day would probably be either an S/360 (running OS/360), or a cluster of PDP-11s or VAXen, running TWENIX or VMS (repsectively).
As for your sig: lynx? WTF? Even I was around before lynx, when Gopher and Archie ruled the net.
there's a whole sub-industry of bootloaders and utilities
True. But I wouldn't call GPLed software (the bootloader you linked to) part of an "industry". Though, yes, Symantec, PartitionMagic, and a lot of other companies wouldn't exist but for the brain damage in the PC BIOS and DOS and it's decendants (thank god that mess is finally starting to die off - sort of).
I just got a SparcStation5 - yummm... a "BIOS" that can do netbooting, serial console, etc - not to mention a hardware Forth interpreter (!!!).:)
But you could also run Ultrix (a UNIX variant) on it. There is a project porting Linux to it as well. But I doubt that you could set up any multi-boot on it.
Don't forget {Open,Net}BSD, and also IIRC 2.x/4.2/4.3/4.4 BSD also ran on the VAX.
VAXen are pretty featureful - I'll bet someone could hack up a multi-bootloader on one. I'd just rather not be the one to try it...
I played the hell out of that game on a Mac SE (16Mhz 68000, 9" 1-bit display,
Oh, yeah. We had a bunch of those in my school ~6th grade (along with a bunch of Apple ][, etc).
in case you're under the average/. age of 16.)
Heh./. is one of the few places a 19 year old can go and feel old.:)
These new graphics scare me.
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's just me getting older, or what, but I could/can get into games with fairly low-tek graphics like Doom, Civ, and in the obvious extreme case Nethack, Zork, etc, much easier than most of the modern games. I really disliked Civ II's graphics when it first game out - after a while I got use to it, sort of, but I still prefer the original.
I wonder if Sid would consider putting two alternate interfaces on Civ III, the tweaked out high res version everyone is expecting, and one that looks just like original Civiliazation. I would def. buy it then. (Hmmm... perhaps I should look into FreeCiv...)
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The iPAQ can handle full speed video. So far, it doesn't support DivX AVI files, but you can play MPEG-1 or WMV files. And it can hold a full downscaled DVD using a expansion sleeve with CF or a MicroDrive (1 GB) or a 2 GB PCMCIA HardDrive.
Well, I have to admit that this sounds intriguing.:)
And if/when there is short range BlueTooth communication, it'd be a lot easier to have HTML device interfaces that your PDA can handle (and not clipping).
True, but the cynic in my says that that if/when will be quite a while from now, if ever (too bad too, I really think BlueTooth is a great idea).
It isn't for everybody, but it is a solution for some of us...
Hey, never said it wasn't...
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The 9x or NT/2K kernels will not boot on a MIPS or SH3 processor.
Well, NT ran on MIPS for a while (along with PowerPC and Alpha). I actually have an NT4 CD, bootable on x86, Alpha, PowerPC, and MIPS. It's from back in the early days (it's SP1 IIRC), before NT dropped PowerPC and MIPS (and Alpha, for the most part).
and I've yet to see a Palm that can:
Play MP3's
Play MPEG movies
open office files
display REAL web pages, and not some clipped text-only crap
OK, I'll admit that I don't own a handheld of any sort. But if I did, I would not buy it for any of the reasons you mention. Why?
I don't use Office.
MPEG - Can any handheld hold an episode or three of DivX encoded anime, and play it back with full framerates? That I would consider useful, but I doubt any handheld has that kind of power (or memory) yet. Otherwise, that ability is basically in the "Look at what my handheld can do that you're can't" category.
MP3s - I'd get a RIO, or just use my portable CD player, possibly with CD-R mixes of my favorite songs.
Viewing webpages is only useful if I get wireless access, which, considering how rarely I would use it, is not worth the cost of the hardware and access.
My point is that you may well see these as things that a handheld device should be able to do, but my useage of a handheld would probably be limited to what Palm seems best suited for - notes, lists, addressbooks, etc.
Of course, I won't be either until I see the prices drop more. I really don't want much from a PDA, but I want it to be cheap and small. That's about it.
I really loved the first Civilization (we had a 33 Mhz 486/SX). I remember games lasting months (I wasn't very good), eventually culminating in an all out nuclear exchange with someone (usually the Zulus or Aztecs), followed by a very protracted land war. It was fun.:)
HP's been making alot of bad decisions lately (besides closing operations in this state and offering to move me to kentucky, YEAH RIGHT, let me get right on that).
Just curious - what state is this? I'm from Oregon and HP does a lot of work there.
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Have you ever read a PGP public key fingerprint over the phone?
No, but I've written them down and handed them to people. Mailing through postal mail also works pretty well (admittadly, subject to interception, but it takes some effort).
Rules of economics apply here as well, simply because if you stop paying for the product most people will stop supplying (I am talking about original designers) and move to another markets.
Oh really? Perhaps you've heard of this "open source" or "free software" phenomenon, where people write code, and for the most part are not paid a penny for it. There's actually a fair number of them. Perhaps you should go inform them that they are breaking the laws of economics.
I'd wait a couple of month to make sure there aren't any 'gotchas' in the new systems.
:)
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Maybe, but it has been in testing for over two years.
Given the delays in shipping, I'm assuming(hoping?) that AMD have waited until they ironed out all the problems before releasing, but it's still largely untested in the wild.
I think that was the big idea. The didn't want to screw up their chance to get a piece of the server market from Intel. And I imagine that 760MP has already been tested to limits far beyond where I would push mine.
I'll probably end up buying a 760MP fairly soon
Same here. I mean, an SMP system that basically beats a 2x1.7 P4 box hands down on every benchmark Anand threw at it, plus it's cheaper?!?
I think it's about time to replace my P-II 350.
Sorry, but I have to ask. What is so obsolete in trying to sell products in exchange for money?
Because I can go and copy those products an infinite number of times with virtually no cost to myself or others - certainly less cost than it is to buy it from the companies. Of course, I'm not buying the product - the product is the phyiscal CD, the packaging, etc. I'm buying the music. I can get the music without the "product", and without paying money for it.
It's just like software - the rules of economics just don't apply. There is (or at least can be) an infinite, unlimited supply. Simple economics (IANAE) says that from an unlimited supply, the price should probably be pretty low. But it's not, unless you consider $15 a CD a low price.
Not only that, but unlike software companies, they music industry can't/won't even offer services, extras, etc. At least _some_ software companies are trying to do it smart. The MPAA is just blindly pushing ahead trying to do anything it can to preserve this fundamentally broken model, regardless of who it hurts.
My computer can crush your computer. :-P
Yeah, really. The density of those VAXen is amazing (SPARCstations, too - just got an SS5 and it's really heavy for it's size). Circulation? Bah! Who needs circulation?
I also never claimed DES has a backdoor, only that this phone has one. (it was merely my own speculation that it might use DES)
Possibly the guy who said that just didn't know what he was talking about though.
Back when GSM was being developed, Germany wanted it to include strong crypto, but France + UK overruled and so GSM crypto was crap. Maybe now Germany is getting it's way. It's actually kind of weird that France demanded poor crypto, because it's decrypted at the base stations and reencrypted when it's transmitted back out, so it can obviously be read rigth there. I guess they wanted to be able to tool around town listening to GSM conversations on the fly (people have found how to break some of the GSM algorithms in real time).
I remember seeing pics of the old l0pht pad, and they had old circuit boards and hard drives decorating the walls. I'm sure there's enough geeks in the world to take on all the old hardware and turn it into wallpaper, coffee tables, end tables, etc.
Oh, yeah. We've got motherboards from Vaxen and a Sun3 hanging on the walls.
I really want to get a Cray-1 and use it as furniture, but those are somewhat hard to come by...
This is a delicate situation where OpenBSD conceivably broke copyright law and sold CDs as a result.
:/
Wouldn't FreeBSD/NetBSD be in the same boat? Or is the deal that only distributing modified code was bad? I should know this myself, but I still don't know what to make of this license. Upon reading it, I would assume it == BSD, but obviously that is not what the author intented, so I'll just go ahead and ask.
However, until they have something done, there is no reason for them to back Theo.
Yeah, well, as someone else in the room with me just noted, if there's one thing *BSD is good at, it's infighting.
If you were English (obviously you're not), you'd be aware of prepaid cards like this for mobile phones, and would know that they are WAY better for privacy than whatever you're probably using now.
I believe such things are also available in America now, too. I know I've seen ads for prepaid cell phones (cash up front for the phone and n minutes, and you go back in and "recharge" the phone when you run out). It's possible they require you to give your name/address/etc anyway, but I really don't know about that.
(BTW, I think the original poster was just trolling, or he has some serious issues, or both)
They don't force you to pay $129 for the OS
Just like the thousands of people who wrote the software in mdk didn't 'force' mdk to pay for it. They cannot force me to do anything. I can (and am), using Mandrake without compensating them in any way, and they can't do anything about that. Perhaps you should rephrase your statement to "They can't force you to pay $129 for the OS". Maybe if they could, they would, and maybe they wouldn't. That's not the point. It's impossible for them to force anyone to pay for it.
I'm not saying this is a bad idea, I'm using Mandrake on some of my machines and it's pretty good, etc, etc, and I'm OK with supporting good products, whether that's paying for it, or donating money or time or effort or whatever works. But I don't think your argument is particularly persuavsive, either.
Hardware crypto will never go away entirely. It's not really needed for user machines, as other people have mentioned, but financial instituations want hardware.
:) Hardware is cool.
First, they have to fit crypto into places without much traditional processing power (ATMs, etc).
Secondly, they have to process lots of inter-bank communications, those all have to be secured, that's a lot of processing time.
Third, I believe hardware is required by at least some banking standards, and it probably helps for insurance reasons, etc as well.
Fourth, better safety against compromise (both leaking the key, and altering the algorithm somehow).
Check out some of the crypto hardware that IBM has made for the AS/400 (popular in financial areas). PCI crypto cards an inch thick, protected by some really serious anti-tampering mechanisms.
OTOH, if I could find a cheap DES PCI card with drivers for *BSD/Linux, I would probably get a couple.
What's with the troll moderation?
:)
Don't ask me. I found I had some mod points and gave in an Informative, as the norway mirror does indeed have 2.4.5 up.
I guess the moderator just thought that since the post was contradicting one of the editors of this fine site it must be trolling.
In fact, the story I heard was that X was created because Sun wouldn't license NeWS to any other workstation vendors!
I think (but am not totally sure) that X was created independantly, because MIT wanted everything in Athena to be in-house stuff. However, the reason X is used everywhere now, and not NeWS or one of it's decendants, is because X was and is non-proprietary.
Yet another example of superior technology dying for business reasons.
Yeah, it really seems to happen a lot. I wonder if there's a webpage with a list of such techs. It would be interesting to see.
Americans are so puritanical about sex when we're so forgiving of graphic violence.
I don't think we actually are puritanical - we (by this I mean Americans in general) just pretend to be that way so we can claim the moral high ground. Because everyone does like sex [OK - very rare exceptions], it's a weapon that can be used against virtually anyone.
380,000 sq km is hardly small. Around the same size as California, if I recall correctly. Much more densly populated, though.
I think that may have been his point. After all, with higher density, you can service a lot more people with a single base station, compared to here, where you have to build them all over the damn place because people are more spread out. Build a few hundred and, wham, you're covering 75% [or whatever] of the population. It's a self-feeding thing, too (more base stations -> more coverage -> more people in coverage area -> more phones sold -> more base stations).
The vapours from the dual-Athlon hardware will clearly overwhelm this real operating hardware.
To quote the last paragraph of the article:
"The real question on everyone's mind is how does the i860 and the Intel Xeon compare to the upcoming 760MP and the Athlon 4? We have been benchmarking that very combination for weeks now and soon enough we will be able to provide you with the definitive answer in many more test scenarios than those we just presented to you."
Yup, just vapor. You moron, dual Athlons motherboards have been out for months, and everyone who has one is under NDA. Do you think Anandtech went out to Best Buy and got a P4 Xeon? P4 Xeons will probably not be available from anyone for at least a few weeks commercially: Intel gave them one, they benchmarked it, and when they got the OK from Intel they released the results.
You mean PDP-11s have a network capability? Shit, we have an ancient PDP-11 in the lab and I was thinking about hooking it into the net, but couldn't find any info if it could do it...
AFAIK they couldn't network in the normal sense (beyond terminals, etc), but you could plug several of them together and have them share the workload. Look here for some small confirmation of this, I'm sure other evidence of it can be found.
Though it could only be the later and/or high-end models - we've got an old product announcemnt package for the PDP-11/24 here in the lab, and there's no mention of clustering.
If you could somehow convice a PDP-11 that it was talking with a serial terminal or another PDP-11, when in fact it was talking to something more modern, I guess you could set up some form of networking on it. Heh, TCP/IP over an VT100/RS-232.
There was only one real operating system to boot and that was VAX.
Well, first, VAX was a hardware platform and not an OS. Secondly, a "real" system back in the day would probably be either an S/360 (running OS/360), or a cluster of PDP-11s or VAXen, running TWENIX or VMS (repsectively).
As for your sig: lynx? WTF? Even I was around before lynx, when Gopher and Archie ruled the net.
there's a whole sub-industry of bootloaders and utilities
:)
True. But I wouldn't call GPLed software (the bootloader you linked to) part of an "industry". Though, yes, Symantec, PartitionMagic, and a lot of other companies wouldn't exist but for the brain damage in the PC BIOS and DOS and it's decendants (thank god that mess is finally starting to die off - sort of).
I just got a SparcStation5 - yummm... a "BIOS" that can do netbooting, serial console, etc - not to mention a hardware Forth interpreter (!!!).
But you could also run Ultrix (a UNIX variant) on it. There is a project porting Linux to it as well. But I doubt that you could set up any multi-boot on it.
Don't forget {Open,Net}BSD, and also IIRC 2.x/4.2/4.3/4.4 BSD also ran on the VAX.
VAXen are pretty featureful - I'll bet someone could hack up a multi-bootloader on one. I'd just rather not be the one to try it...
I played the hell out of that game on a Mac SE (16Mhz 68000, 9" 1-bit display,
/. age of 16.)
/. is one of the few places a 19 year old can go and feel old. :)
Oh, yeah. We had a bunch of those in my school ~6th grade (along with a bunch of Apple ][, etc).
in case you're under the average
Heh.
These new graphics scare me.
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's just me getting older, or what, but I could/can get into games with fairly low-tek graphics like Doom, Civ, and in the obvious extreme case Nethack, Zork, etc, much easier than most of the modern games. I really disliked Civ II's graphics when it first game out - after a while I got use to it, sort of, but I still prefer the original.
I wonder if Sid would consider putting two alternate interfaces on Civ III, the tweaked out high res version everyone is expecting, and one that looks just like original Civiliazation. I would def. buy it then. (Hmmm... perhaps I should look into FreeCiv...)
The iPAQ can handle full speed video. So far, it doesn't support DivX AVI files, but you can play MPEG-1 or WMV files. And it can hold a full downscaled DVD using a expansion sleeve with CF or a MicroDrive (1 GB) or a 2 GB PCMCIA HardDrive.
:)
Well, I have to admit that this sounds intriguing.
And if/when there is short range BlueTooth communication, it'd be a lot easier to have HTML device interfaces that your PDA can handle (and not clipping).
True, but the cynic in my says that that if/when will be quite a while from now, if ever (too bad too, I really think BlueTooth is a great idea).
It isn't for everybody, but it is a solution for some of us...
Hey, never said it wasn't...
The 9x or NT/2K kernels will not boot on a MIPS or SH3 processor.
Well, NT ran on MIPS for a while (along with PowerPC and Alpha). I actually have an NT4 CD, bootable on x86, Alpha, PowerPC, and MIPS. It's from back in the early days (it's SP1 IIRC), before NT dropped PowerPC and MIPS (and Alpha, for the most part).
and I've yet to see a Palm that can:
Play MP3's
Play MPEG movies
open office files
display REAL web pages, and not some clipped text-only crap
OK, I'll admit that I don't own a handheld of any sort. But if I did, I would not buy it for any of the reasons you mention. Why?
I don't use Office.
MPEG - Can any handheld hold an episode or three of DivX encoded anime, and play it back with full framerates? That I would consider useful, but I doubt any handheld has that kind of power (or memory) yet. Otherwise, that ability is basically in the "Look at what my handheld can do that you're can't" category.
MP3s - I'd get a RIO, or just use my portable CD player, possibly with CD-R mixes of my favorite songs.
Viewing webpages is only useful if I get wireless access, which, considering how rarely I would use it, is not worth the cost of the hardware and access.
My point is that you may well see these as things that a handheld device should be able to do, but my useage of a handheld would probably be limited to what Palm seems best suited for - notes, lists, addressbooks, etc.
Of course, I won't be either until I see the prices drop more. I really don't want much from a PDA, but I want it to be cheap and small. That's about it.
I just love conquering all the races with nukes.
:)
I really loved the first Civilization (we had a 33 Mhz 486/SX). I remember games lasting months (I wasn't very good), eventually culminating in an all out nuclear exchange with someone (usually the Zulus or Aztecs), followed by a very protracted land war. It was fun.
HP's been making alot of bad decisions lately (besides closing operations in this state and offering to move me to kentucky, YEAH RIGHT, let me get right on that).
Just curious - what state is this? I'm from Oregon and HP does a lot of work there.