Is it worth reading? The stuff on the website looks interesting, but you never can tell with books like this...
Yeah, I'd say so. You probably won't agree with all of it (I certainly don't), but you'll probably also read certain paragraphs and thing "Hey, that's exactly right!". And hey, at worst you're out a few bucks, you can give it to a friend for chrismas if you don't like it.:)
I'd agree with you there, the ideas of the Church of Satan are fascinating and IMHO a lot closer to human nature than most religions I've encountered. And it's not really a "religion" in the traditional sense - it's more about the self than anything else.
For more info read his book The Satanic Bible
Yes, I know. There's a copy sitting on the coffee table, along with various Subgenius literature. Makes for great conversation when guests come over.:)
I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is. -- L. Ron Hubbard, 1949.
For this reason, calling them "extremist" is totally, utterly different from using the word to describe anyone who disagrees with your religious beliefs.
This would sit better with me if the Church of Subgenius did not require regular donations so that I may be saved from the Xists. To quote Bob:
"You'd PAY to know what you REALLY think.", Dobbs, 1961
Also, one of the Subgenii tenets is that of killing and/or endlessly torturing all of our enemies once the Xists come, so his comment seems to implicitly include me, which I can't say I'm particularly fond of.
And no, I don't like the Church of Scientology much either. OTOH Lavey (founder of the Church of Satan) had some pretty interesting (though at times admittedly strange) ideas. [This comment is probably going to make me quite unpopular in this thread, methinks].
To me I see no difference between Scientologists and Satanists. They are both whacked out extremists that will do anything to make someone beleive whatever garbage they themselves have been brainwashed by.
As someone who is neither, I am highly offended by your comment. Am I, as a Subgenius, also a "whacked out extremist"? What about my Christian friends? Have we all been brainwashed with garbage? What about atheists/agnostics? Let me guess: anyone who does not conform to your particular religious beliefs is branded an extremist idiot without a second thought.
is that if any schmuck can buy on of these dodads, why the hell should the Church of Scientology care if one's getting sold on eBay? OTOH I've heard that these guys are big on the strongarm intimidation stuff to get their way, so maybe this was just a "proof of concept" thing. Maybe next they'll go after anti-CoS websites? Or booksellers with anti-CoS books? Hey, the sky's the limit people!
Someone pointed out that Slashdot.org is a GIF patent licensee, and maybe they can't rock the boat on this issue. So my guess is they won't run the story.
You really gotta wonder about/.'s impartiatlity as a "news source" at times. Oh, well, I sent in my nomination (RMS). Here's hopin...:)
There is a semi-sortof active LUG here at JHU. We show up, sit around and make fun of *BSD users (including the ones that show up at the meetings). Nobody really has time to take care of all the details, so we have no official leader (or hell even an unofficial one). Somebody suggests having a meeting and maybe it happens. And maybe not.
Presumably the larger LUGs are much more organized, though I really don't know, having never been to a meeting of one.
So the problem with LILO was that the root partition you wanted to boot to had to be all under the 1024 cyl limit?
To be totally exact, the kernel and related boot file had to be under the 1024th cyl. However, it's usually a good idea to make sure the whole partition is under the limit, as otherwise the OS might allocate the blocks for your next kernel upgrade right at the end of the partition, in which case you're fscked.
Is there a different problem with drives over 32Gig?
This sounds like a pure kernel problem. The problem with LILO is brain-dead BIOSes (well it's not totally their fault, the original BIOS interface assumed that things never got very big, like over ~800 Meg). It would be very interesting if some MB OEM created a new BIOS interface that can handle reasonably sized disks (say using an unsigned 64 bit int for handling addresses, with addressing single bytes thats 16777216 terabytes).
It sounds like you are agreeing with the previous post that the MAC is fixed by the card (essentially burned in) rather than being software-configurable. But you started off by disagreeing with that idea. Which is it?
OK, sorry about that (this post is getting out of hand!). The MAC address that the OEM puts on is there, and it stays there. I have no contention with that. HOWEVER... drivers on most OSes (hell I think Win98 can do it, so it can't be that hard) can change what the MAC address is reported to be. So, for all intents and purposes, the MAC address is configurable.
I care about the MAC that other machines see on the wire from my ethernet card. The MAC on the wire can be changed, right?
Yes. Otherwise there really wouldn't be much point in this at all, would there?:)
but once you start talking to another ethernet card over a wire, you need to find out what it's MAC is to address the packets.
But not a concern if you've just got a local network hooked up to a DSL line.
But if the card has it's address hardwired, wrapping that information with the driver will misreport it's MAC in IP->MAC queries and suchlike, and the card will then proceed to ignore packets directed at it. Like putting a "Hi, my name is Joe" sticker on Fred and expecting him to listen to people who call for Joe. Silly.
I should think the drivers are smarter than that. It would be a very dubious functionality indeed otherwise. However, it's hard for me to know as I'm not on a large LAN.
These may be true for some newer PC ethernet hardware, but most older hardware, as well as most of the higher-end computers, do indeed have the MAC addresses "burned" in. Just look for the EPROM chip on the card, and note the lack of a flash chip. I believe all but one of my ethernet cards has a burned in MAC address. Sure you can replace the EPROM, but that is very time-consuming.
And how exactly do you get the MAC address from the card without a driver?
MAC addresses, AS ASSIGNED, definitely are unique.
Untrue. Hardware vendors have screwed up and send out MAC addresses that other people also sent out. It happens.
Changing them without a very good reason (and there aren't many very good reasons!) is a Bad Thing.
Why? They're really not used for much. Usually just to verify that someone (like a DSL provider) is talking to the machine they're supposed to be talking to, for which changing the hardware address can be very handy... [ie if you want to plug a different machine in]. It's handy on machines that don't know their IP at boot time, etc, but for most purposes it's useless.
Furthermore, some cards actually have the address burned into them, meaning that ifconfig doesn't do a damned bit of good.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. The drivers themselves do it. Think about it. You need a driver to be able to query the card to find it's address. But if you tell the driver to instead return some other value instead of quering the card, how can you (or a user-space application) tell the difference? So ifconfig tells the driver to return the value you give it instead of the actual value. How do I know that this is the case? If you reboot, the address returns to it's former (permanent) value. You never touch the hardware.
This is truly a day to remember. Why? Not because Intel stopped a controversial practice in the fact of intense grassroots opposition. Because Intel is actually removing a feature from one of it's chips! That brings the number of instructions down to... letsee... 7,045. Basically a RISC machine, right?
What are you talking about? Everyone knows that MS is fully compliant with every standard worth using (why do you think people talk about The Microsoft Standard; they like standards that much). No wonder Microsoft recommends using IIS instead of Apache: Apache doesn't even support those great standards Microsoft is such a big fan of! Sheesh.
SR-71 Blackbird and even the current crop of "stealth-enabled" aircraft.
I suppose you could even call the Blackbird a spacecraft... IIRC the crew has to wear space suits in order to have any chance of surviving in the event of an accident.
I remember reading in some newspaper some years ago (I think it was ~freshman year of high school) about the Navy and Air Force having spacecraft that they used for (???) something. Anyone know if that was true? Just planning stages? Or another media screwup? It'd be damn interesting to see some of those...
Yeah, OpenSRS is only $10 per domain per year. The only problem is that you have to buy years in $250+ shots, so you need a bunch of friends to do it with you (not a problem if you have an ACM chapter or LUG around). Of course you can just register a domain for 25 years, which is pretty ridiculous...
I was going to E-mail you about something you posted the other day, but I couldn't because of your amazing spam-proof mail address.
I think I'll take that as a compliment.:)
What exactly is rot13 and how do I use it.
It's the basic traditional Caesar cipher. So A is mapped to N, T is mapped to G, etc. It's very commonly including on *nix systems, for example: [lloyd@chimera lloyd]$ echo "Hello World" |/usr/games/rot13 Uryyb Jbeyq
I was planning on posting a simple C program that does it, but/. seems to be munging the code pretty badly, and anyway, it is 6 in the fscking morning... (I'm really really tired...)
Alternately you can go to my URL (if I'm online, haven't got a DSL line yet), and get my email addy from there.
One thing about Debian is that you can't find an ISO or even a prepackaged set on CD of frozen/potato... This place is no exception.
Well, I'm not a Debian user, but isn't potato the current devel version? So it's under regular updates, right? Which would mean that someone would have to make a new image every (insert some interval here - every day or week or whatever), which seems like quite a pain the in the ass to me. Though I might guess that frzoen potato is potato getting ready to become a real release, so why not wait for it to become the stable version? Surely Debian provides ISOs for their stable releases?
It's the same problem for me (I'm a Redhat user), with Rawhide. I'd love to be able to order a Rawhide snapshot on CD from Cheapbytes, but no way. It's got all kinds of nice stuff that 6.x is sadly lacking (gcc 2.95.3 snapshots, XFree 4.0 [including 3dfx drivers, nice for this Voodoo3 ownder], very recent GNOME packages, etc). And I won't be getting a DSL line until next fall, at which point I might as well wait for RH 7.
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OMIGOD, Subgenius is a JOKE religion. It's FAKE. Either you are being facetious or are somekinda dense.
Oh, think so? You Pink! You'll be begging for a chance at salvation when the Xists come! You just wish you had Yeti blood.
Good. That's what you've been trained to think.
No, that's what you've been trained to think I think. At least I think so...
Is it worth reading? The stuff on the website looks interesting, but you never can tell with books like this...
:)
Yeah, I'd say so. You probably won't agree with all of it (I certainly don't), but you'll probably also read certain paragraphs and thing "Hey, that's exactly right!". And hey, at worst you're out a few bucks, you can give it to a friend for chrismas if you don't like it.
I'd agree with you there, the ideas of the Church of Satan are fascinating and IMHO a lot closer to human nature than most religions I've encountered. And it's not really a "religion" in the traditional sense - it's more about the self than anything else.
:)
For more info read his book The Satanic Bible
Yes, I know. There's a copy sitting on the coffee table, along with various Subgenius literature. Makes for great conversation when guests come over.
Me: Am I, as a Subgenius, also a "whacked out extremist"? What about my Christian friends?
:)
AC: No, but you've all been brainwashed. That's for sure.
I think I'd rather be a whacked out extremist, given the choice.
I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is. -- L. Ron Hubbard, 1949.
For this reason, calling them "extremist" is totally, utterly different from using the word to describe anyone who disagrees with your religious beliefs.
This would sit better with me if the Church of Subgenius did not require regular donations so that I may be saved from the Xists. To quote Bob:
"You'd PAY to know what you REALLY think.", Dobbs, 1961
Also, one of the Subgenii tenets is that of killing and/or endlessly torturing all of our enemies once the Xists come, so his comment seems to implicitly include me, which I can't say I'm particularly fond of.
And no, I don't like the Church of Scientology much either. OTOH Lavey (founder of the Church of Satan) had some pretty interesting (though at times admittedly strange) ideas. [This comment is probably going to make me quite unpopular in this thread, methinks].
To me I see no difference between Scientologists and Satanists. They are both whacked out extremists that will do anything to make someone beleive whatever garbage they themselves have been brainwashed by.
As someone who is neither, I am highly offended by your comment. Am I, as a Subgenius, also a "whacked out extremist"? What about my Christian friends? Have we all been brainwashed with garbage? What about atheists/agnostics? Let me guess: anyone who does not conform to your particular religious beliefs is branded an extremist idiot without a second thought.
is that if any schmuck can buy on of these dodads, why the hell should the Church of Scientology care if one's getting sold on eBay? OTOH I've heard that these guys are big on the strongarm intimidation stuff to get their way, so maybe this was just a "proof of concept" thing. Maybe next they'll go after anti-CoS websites? Or booksellers with anti-CoS books? Hey, the sky's the limit people!
Someone pointed out that Slashdot.org is a GIF patent licensee, and maybe they can't rock the boat on this issue. So my guess is they won't run the story.
/.'s impartiatlity as a "news source" at times. Oh, well, I sent in my nomination (RMS). Here's hopin... :)
You really gotta wonder about
There is a semi-sortof active LUG here at JHU. We show up, sit around and make fun of *BSD users (including the ones that show up at the meetings). Nobody really has time to take care of all the details, so we have no official leader (or hell even an unofficial one). Somebody suggests having a meeting and maybe it happens. And maybe not.
Presumably the larger LUGs are much more organized, though I really don't know, having never been to a meeting of one.
So the problem with LILO was that the root partition you wanted to boot to had to be all under the 1024 cyl limit?
To be totally exact, the kernel and related boot file had to be under the 1024th cyl. However, it's usually a good idea to make sure the whole partition is under the limit, as otherwise the OS might allocate the blocks for your next kernel upgrade right at the end of the partition, in which case you're fscked.
Is there a different problem with drives over 32Gig?
This sounds like a pure kernel problem. The problem with LILO is brain-dead BIOSes (well it's not totally their fault, the original BIOS interface assumed that things never got very big, like over ~800 Meg). It would be very interesting if some MB OEM created a new BIOS interface that can handle reasonably sized disks (say using an unsigned 64 bit int for handling addresses, with addressing single bytes thats 16777216 terabytes).
It sounds like you are agreeing with the previous post that the MAC is fixed by the card (essentially burned in) rather than being software-configurable. But you started off by disagreeing with that idea. Which is it?
:)
OK, sorry about that (this post is getting out of hand!). The MAC address that the OEM puts on is there, and it stays there. I have no contention with that. HOWEVER... drivers on most OSes (hell I think Win98 can do it, so it can't be that hard) can change what the MAC address is reported to be. So, for all intents and purposes, the MAC address is configurable.
I care about the MAC that other machines see on the wire from my ethernet card. The MAC on the wire can be changed, right?
Yes. Otherwise there really wouldn't be much point in this at all, would there?
but once you start talking to another ethernet card over a wire, you need to find out what it's MAC is to address the packets.
But not a concern if you've just got a local network hooked up to a DSL line.
But if the card has it's address hardwired, wrapping that information with the driver will misreport it's MAC in IP->MAC queries and suchlike, and the card will then proceed to ignore packets directed at it. Like putting a "Hi, my name is Joe" sticker on Fred and expecting him to listen to people who call for Joe. Silly.
I should think the drivers are smarter than that. It would be a very dubious functionality indeed otherwise. However, it's hard for me to know as I'm not on a large LAN.
These may be true for some newer PC ethernet hardware, but most older hardware, as well as most of the higher-end computers, do indeed have the MAC addresses "burned" in. Just look for the EPROM chip on the card, and note the lack of a flash chip. I believe all but one of my ethernet cards has a burned in MAC address. Sure you can replace the EPROM, but that is very time-consuming.
And how exactly do you get the MAC address from the card without a driver?
MAC addresses, AS ASSIGNED, definitely are unique.
Untrue. Hardware vendors have screwed up and send out MAC addresses that other people also sent out. It happens.
Changing them without a very good reason (and there aren't many very good reasons!) is a Bad Thing.
Why? They're really not used for much. Usually just to verify that someone (like a DSL provider) is talking to the machine they're supposed to be talking to, for which changing the hardware address can be very handy... [ie if you want to plug a different machine in]. It's handy on machines that don't know their IP at boot time, etc, but for most purposes it's useless.
Furthermore, some cards actually have the address burned into them, meaning that ifconfig doesn't do a damned bit of good.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. The drivers themselves do it. Think about it. You need a driver to be able to query the card to find it's address. But if you tell the driver to instead return some other value instead of quering the card, how can you (or a user-space application) tell the difference? So ifconfig tells the driver to return the value you give it instead of the actual value. How do I know that this is the case? If you reboot, the address returns to it's former (permanent) value. You never touch the hardware.
At least not on any decent OS. If you're a Linux user, put this is /etc/cron.daily:
.= sprintf "%lX", (rand 256); .= ":";
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
$if = "eth0";
$hwaddr = "";
# From Programming Perl, 2nd ed, p 224
srand(time ^ $$ ^ unpack "%32L*", `ps axww | gzip`);
for($i = 0; $i != 6; $i++) {
$hwaddr
$hwaddr
}
chop($hwaddr);
`ifconfig $if hw ether $hwaddr`;
It will change your supposed 'hardware' address to a random value (of course you can choose one specifically to frame someone...)
This is truly a day to remember. Why? Not because Intel stopped a controversial practice in the fact of intense grassroots opposition. Because Intel is actually removing a feature from one of it's chips! That brings the number of instructions down to... letsee... 7,045. Basically a RISC machine, right?
What are you talking about? Everyone knows that MS is fully compliant with every standard worth using (why do you think people talk about The Microsoft Standard; they like standards that much). No wonder Microsoft recommends using IIS instead of Apache: Apache doesn't even support those great standards Microsoft is such a big fan of! Sheesh.
Besides, no suit is going to protect from a crash in one of those babies...
I was more thinking a hull puncture and related decompresion.
SR-71 Blackbird and even the current crop of "stealth-enabled" aircraft.
I suppose you could even call the Blackbird a spacecraft... IIRC the crew has to wear space suits in order to have any chance of surviving in the event of an accident.
That's not true either.
;)
Dunno. I've been a big fan of nipples as long as I can remember.
I remember reading in some newspaper some years ago (I think it was ~freshman year of high school) about the Navy and Air Force having spacecraft that they used for (???) something. Anyone know if that was true? Just planning stages? Or another media screwup? It'd be damn interesting to see some of those...
And they are usually the least expensive ones.
Yeah, OpenSRS is only $10 per domain per year. The only problem is that you have to buy years in $250+ shots, so you need a bunch of friends to do it with you (not a problem if you have an ACM chapter or LUG around). Of course you can just register a domain for 25 years, which is pretty ridiculous...
I was going to E-mail you about something you posted the other day, but I couldn't because of your amazing spam-proof mail address.
:)
/usr/games/rot13
/. seems to be munging the code pretty badly, and anyway, it is 6 in the fscking morning... (I'm really really tired...)
I think I'll take that as a compliment.
What exactly is rot13 and how do I use it.
It's the basic traditional Caesar cipher. So A is mapped to N, T is mapped to G, etc. It's very commonly including on *nix systems, for example:
[lloyd@chimera lloyd]$ echo "Hello World" |
Uryyb Jbeyq
I was planning on posting a simple C program that does it, but
Alternately you can go to my URL (if I'm online, haven't got a DSL line yet), and get my email addy from there.
One thing about Debian is that you can't find an ISO or even a prepackaged set on CD of frozen/potato... This place is no exception.
Well, I'm not a Debian user, but isn't potato the current devel version? So it's under regular updates, right? Which would mean that someone would have to make a new image every (insert some interval here - every day or week or whatever), which seems like quite a pain the in the ass to me. Though I might guess that frzoen potato is potato getting ready to become a real release, so why not wait for it to become the stable version? Surely Debian provides ISOs for their stable releases?
It's the same problem for me (I'm a Redhat user), with Rawhide. I'd love to be able to order a Rawhide snapshot on CD from Cheapbytes, but no way. It's got all kinds of nice stuff that 6.x is sadly lacking (gcc 2.95.3 snapshots, XFree 4.0 [including 3dfx drivers, nice for this Voodoo3 ownder], very recent GNOME packages, etc). And I won't be getting a DSL line until next fall, at which point I might as well wait for RH 7.