"One of the worst is the photographer who did my sister's wedding in 1999, where she and her fiance signed a photographer on who not only expressly stated the above (quite normal)"
That's the problem. The proper answer is laugh at his face, go out the door and find another photographer.
"One of the best -- and most annoying -- examples is wedding photos, which the photographer usually retains rights to, even if he sells you prints."
As long as you surrender your rights as a consumer it's no wonder others will abuse of that.
I married two years ago and I made damn clear I was contracting a service and that all byproducts and associated rights from that service were my own. There were two phographers that didn't see it that way... well, they didn't get neither the copyright nor the money for the service.
"What you're saying is that if a rock band does a free concert in a public park, they have given away the rights to their work."
Well, I don't know what the grandparent wanted to say, but I certainly think exactly that: once it gets to the public, it's public -and they already recovered their costs with the tickets.
"if I sculpt the David sculpture you take photos then sell them you think you deserve that cash?"
Of course yes. I did the work I'm selling, I get the cash. That's the only natural option.
You don't want your sculpture photgraphed? Don't let it in the open. Easy, isn't it?
"Your photos would be nothing without the work of another artist who did ALL the work."
That being said by the one that is copying Michellangelo's David. Anyway, you didn't all the work for that photo, did you? For this photo to be there you forgot making the damn photo itself. Ooops!
"In reality the photographer is making a fixed 2d view of MY work."
And that's exactly what he is selling. He is not selling YOUR work, but he is selling HIS work, no matter how diminishing you value it. People prefer buying his photo for peanuts instead of paying big bucks for you hard work? Though luck, that's the way capitalism works: it's not how much YOU value your work but how much OTHERS values it.
"if you ACTUALLY want to be the next Microsoft you should start by finding friends that are geniuses"
That's implicit by the "a million dollars in your account", which is what will allow you to go to an elite private school first, then to Harvard (easier to make genious friends than being grown in a ghetto).
"You're an independent software developer, not an independent contractor that develops software."
The point being that if you work on a company's premises, on its hours, on its free and labour days, on its dress code, on its rules... you are an employee by fact, no matter what the signed paper said. The law just makes that fact clear.
"He would have to do it using his own funds, instead of the company's funds, for one. And he would be speaking on his behalf, not claiming to speak on behalf of everyone who works or invests in that company."
Which in turn would mean that CEOs would end up being payed even more than now (with a provisio about the percentage they should deviate for lobbying), and that those with a stronger connection network would be more required (wait! that's already the case).
"it's entirely possible to have your own company based around open source--it just changes from a pay-for-development model to a pay-for-support model."
When this meme will disapear? The basic bussiness model for proprietary software is *not* pay-for-development, it's pay-per-licensing. And then, the basic model for libre software *is* pay-for-development. So, unless you bring with you enough power for marketing and lawyers, which is against the case for a "solo show", you surely have higher bets if you stick yourself on a 'pay-for-development' model which, as I already said, fits much better with libre than proprietary software.
"So, what's so good about the proposed "socialized medicine" again?"
* Europe has socialized medicine * Europe pays less on healthcare than USA (11% vs 14% of GNP) * In Europe you never go bankrupt because of long hospitalization or live-longed treatments * Child mortality in Europe is lower than that of USA (while I didn't find the average value for the whole European Union, i.e. Spain, not one of the strongest countries on the region, 4.26 vs 6.9 per 1000 born) * Europeans have higher hope of survival (79 vs 77.9 y.o.)
If you actually want to be the next Microsoft, you'd better start with a grandparent being president of a national bank, a million dollars in your account, a mother in direct connection with IBM's board of directors and quite a bit of luck.
"consumer-grade "lifetime" storage options will enjoy a more prominent place on the market."
Long-lived consumer-grade gadgets, no matter if logical or physical, are at odds with the corporate-grade greed for benefits: you won't sell a device that won't be replace in fifty years if you can find the way to sell fifty one-yeared devices in that time span, do you?
Look around: which one do you think is the best bet? Consumer or corporation interests?
"On your third and fourth points, those are the acts of God and not models for human behavior."
On a side note, please remember that Genesis, no less, states that "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." (Gen. 1,27) so well, acts of God *ARE* in fact models for human behaviour.
"The example of the martyrs is of people willing to suffer in order to alleviate the sufferings of others"
So spreading the Holy Word justifies being killed, yes or not? So saving one's or some other's soul for the Eternity in Heaven does or does not justify anything else?
Just an easy answer:
'X' is reasonable, no matter what 'X' is, if it's the means to save the soul. Yes or not? 'X' is reasonable, no matter what 'X' is, if it's God Itself the one asking for it (God asking Abraham to kill his firstborn). Yes or not?
"I would like to know what Christian teaching has an ends justifies the means take. Just one specific example."
Like, uhmmm... when Catholic Church burns somebody so he cannot push anybody else's poor soul into hell, or even (gasp!) as a way to save his eternal soul?
Or, ehmmm... when Arnald Amalric, Cistercian abbot under direct command from Pope ordered to kill everybody at Beziers, disregarding age or sex, so no Cathar in the town could scape, perfectly knowing that he was ordering to kill a lot of good Christians and when questioned answered that God would know his own?
Or maybe we should talk about a God that makes the live of the strongest believer of his generation a living hell (Job, I mean) just to probe a point? Yeah, the same God that doesn't give a damn about killing thousands of aegyptians closing the Red Sea waters over their heads so the chosen people could scape slavery. Yes, the same God that knowing that his Word won't be peacefully accepted don't hesitate to send their apostles to martirydom to Rome (after all, spreading the Holy Word surely justifies hundreds being arrowed, burned, decapited and eaten by lions, doesn't it?).
"How many major candidates at any level have campaigned to end security theater?"
Yeah, I see. You are one of those that think ala Homer Simpson. Democracy (and Republic, for that matter) is quite a different think than going to a shop and having to choose among what's offered. You can make the difference. Saying "but there's no candidate I'd vote for" is never the proper answer.
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"Not true at all."
I know the law, thanks. That were not the point. I was challeging law itself, not your explanation of it.
"Also not trolling but, you caps like a jerk trying to raise his/her voice in an argument!"
Not trolling, uh? That's why you go from arguments to argument 'ad hominem'.
"Even so, it's insane."
What it is insane is people *allowing* for that.
"One of the worst is the photographer who did my sister's wedding in 1999, where she and her fiance signed a photographer on who not only expressly stated the above (quite normal)"
That's the problem. The proper answer is laugh at his face, go out the door and find another photographer.
"Of course you don't have the rights to copy her work. Otherwise you could go into business competing against her"
Of course we all know how bad competition is... those bastard capitalists!
"One of the best -- and most annoying -- examples is wedding photos, which the photographer usually retains rights to, even if he sells you prints."
As long as you surrender your rights as a consumer it's no wonder others will abuse of that.
I married two years ago and I made damn clear I was contracting a service and that all byproducts and associated rights from that service were my own. There were two phographers that didn't see it that way... well, they didn't get neither the copyright nor the money for the service.
"What you're saying is that if a rock band does a free concert in a public park, they have given away the rights to their work."
Well, I don't know what the grandparent wanted to say, but I certainly think exactly that: once it gets to the public, it's public -and they already recovered their costs with the tickets.
"if I sculpt the David sculpture you take photos then sell them you think you deserve that cash?"
Of course yes. I did the work I'm selling, I get the cash. That's the only natural option.
You don't want your sculpture photgraphed? Don't let it in the open. Easy, isn't it?
"Your photos would be nothing without the work of another artist who did ALL the work."
That being said by the one that is copying Michellangelo's David. Anyway, you didn't all the work for that photo, did you? For this photo to be there you forgot making the damn photo itself. Ooops!
"In reality the photographer is making a fixed 2d view of MY work."
And that's exactly what he is selling. He is not selling YOUR work, but he is selling HIS work, no matter how diminishing you value it. People prefer buying his photo for peanuts instead of paying big bucks for you hard work? Though luck, that's the way capitalism works: it's not how much YOU value your work but how much OTHERS values it.
"...environmentally benign form of human settlement."
Except when you consider human beings as part of the environment, that is.
"if you ACTUALLY want to be the next Microsoft you should start by finding friends that are geniuses"
That's implicit by the "a million dollars in your account", which is what will allow you to go to an elite private school first, then to Harvard (easier to make genious friends than being grown in a ghetto).
"You're an independent software developer, not an independent contractor that develops software."
The point being that if you work on a company's premises, on its hours, on its free and labour days, on its dress code, on its rules... you are an employee by fact, no matter what the signed paper said. The law just makes that fact clear.
"He would have to do it using his own funds, instead of the company's funds, for one. And he would be speaking on his behalf, not claiming to speak on behalf of everyone who works or invests in that company."
Which in turn would mean that CEOs would end up being payed even more than now (with a provisio about the percentage they should deviate for lobbying), and that those with a stronger connection network would be more required (wait! that's already the case).
"it's entirely possible to have your own company based around open source--it just changes from a pay-for-development model to a pay-for-support model."
When this meme will disapear? The basic bussiness model for proprietary software is *not* pay-for-development, it's pay-per-licensing. And then, the basic model for libre software *is* pay-for-development. So, unless you bring with you enough power for marketing and lawyers, which is against the case for a "solo show", you surely have higher bets if you stick yourself on a 'pay-for-development' model which, as I already said, fits much better with libre than proprietary software.
"So, what's so good about the proposed "socialized medicine" again?"
* Europe has socialized medicine
* Europe pays less on healthcare than USA (11% vs 14% of GNP)
* In Europe you never go bankrupt because of long hospitalization or live-longed treatments
* Child mortality in Europe is lower than that of USA (while I didn't find the average value for the whole European Union, i.e. Spain, not one of the strongest countries on the region, 4.26 vs 6.9 per 1000 born)
* Europeans have higher hope of survival (79 vs 77.9 y.o.)
Draw your own conclusions.
"if you think about them for half a minute, and don't just knee jerk react to the views, i don't think you'd find they're nutty."
Probably you are right. It's when you think about it five minutes or more when you find what a dumb idea it is.
"if you actually want to be the next Microsoft"
If you actually want to be the next Microsoft, you'd better start with a grandparent being president of a national bank, a million dollars in your account, a mother in direct connection with IBM's board of directors and quite a bit of luck.
Not so much for a starting.
"Protecting revenue by banning cheaper products is inherently anti-capitalist."
That's not what's happening. It's more "protecting *my* revenue by making competitors look worse". That's marketing, and quite pro-capitalist.
"consumer-grade "lifetime" storage options will enjoy a more prominent place on the market."
Long-lived consumer-grade gadgets, no matter if logical or physical, are at odds with the corporate-grade greed for benefits: you won't sell a device that won't be replace in fifty years if you can find the way to sell fifty one-yeared devices in that time span, do you?
Look around: which one do you think is the best bet? Consumer or corporation interests?
"The Cranberry DiamonDisc is a 1000 year option already on the market."
Are you sure? Do they come with a 1000-year durable reader?
What use would you give now, less than twenty years away, to a 1000 year durable 8" floppy disk?
"And what parts of those digital records would be *important* information? c'mon, you are talking about personal crap."
What do you think History is but a lot of "personal craps" tied together?
I hear Cassandra is really a trojan. Can anyone verify? I don't want a trojan on my "computer....."
But, but... what if I gift it you? I swear I'm not Trojan but Greek.
Thanks for reminding me why I stopped coming here years ago.
Are you the Ghost of Slashdot Past per chance?
"I am willing to sacrifice my life to better yours."
They were easy "yes/no" questions, weren't they?
"On your third and fourth points, those are the acts of God and not models for human behavior."
On a side note, please remember that Genesis, no less, states that "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." (Gen. 1,27) so well, acts of God *ARE* in fact models for human behaviour.
"The example of the martyrs is of people willing to suffer in order to alleviate the sufferings of others"
So spreading the Holy Word justifies being killed, yes or not? So saving one's or some other's soul for the Eternity in Heaven does or does not justify anything else?
Just an easy answer:
'X' is reasonable, no matter what 'X' is, if it's the means to save the soul. Yes or not?
'X' is reasonable, no matter what 'X' is, if it's God Itself the one asking for it (God asking Abraham to kill his firstborn). Yes or not?
"I would like to know what Christian teaching has an ends justifies the means take. Just one specific example."
Like, uhmmm... when Catholic Church burns somebody so he cannot push anybody else's poor soul into hell, or even (gasp!) as a way to save his eternal soul?
Or, ehmmm... when Arnald Amalric, Cistercian abbot under direct command from Pope ordered to kill everybody at Beziers, disregarding age or sex, so no Cathar in the town could scape, perfectly knowing that he was ordering to kill a lot of good Christians and when questioned answered that God would know his own?
Or maybe we should talk about a God that makes the live of the strongest believer of his generation a living hell (Job, I mean) just to probe a point? Yeah, the same God that doesn't give a damn about killing thousands of aegyptians closing the Red Sea waters over their heads so the chosen people could scape slavery. Yes, the same God that knowing that his Word won't be peacefully accepted don't hesitate to send their apostles to martirydom to Rome (after all, spreading the Holy Word surely justifies hundreds being arrowed, burned, decapited and eaten by lions, doesn't it?).
"How many major candidates at any level have campaigned to end security theater?"
Yeah, I see. You are one of those that think ala Homer Simpson. Democracy (and Republic, for that matter) is quite a different think than going to a shop and having to choose among what's offered. You can make the difference. Saying "but there's no candidate I'd vote for" is never the proper answer.