What shortsightedness. Everyone working on Linux ultimately does it to scratch their own itch, but Linux keeps getting better because of their contributions nonetheless. Linux working better under Windows will cause some people to use who wouldn't have, that's good for Linux since it will give it exposure.
Hear it from Linus himself:
Linus states that this is how all open source code gets written, developers scratching an itch. The fact that this comes from Microsoft shouldn’t make any difference at all, saying:
“I agree that it’s driven by selfish reasons, but that’s how all open source code gets written! We all “scratch our own itches”. It’s why I started Linux, it’s why I started git, and it’s why I am still involved. It’s the reason for everybody to end up in open source, to some degree.
So complaining about the fact that Microsoft picked a selfish area to work on is just silly. Of course they picked an area that helps them. That’s the point of open source – the ability to make the code better for your particular needs, whoever the ‘your’ in question happens to be.
Does anybody complain when hardware companies write drivers for the hardware they produce? No. That would be crazy. Does anybody complain when IBM funds all the POWER development, and works on enterprise features because they sell into the enterprise? No. That would be insane.
So the people who complain about Microsoft writing drivers for their own virtualization model should take a long look in the mirror and ask themselves why they are being so hypocritical.”
>Miguel's work for OSS was specifically focused on mono.
Are you a dumb ass? This ignorance is what I hate about the OSS zealots and MS haters like you.
Does GNOME ring a bell? Guess who started it?
>then moved on to microsoft where he got crowned as a MVP. Hint: that's not given out for outstanding OSS work.
Miguel de Icaza has received the Free Software Foundation 1999 Award for the Advancement of Free Software, the MIT Technology Review Innovator of the Year Award 1999, and was named one of Time magazine's 100 innovators for the new century in September 2000.
What about those awards? And he got MVP from Microsoft specifically for his OSS work. I guess you're a retard who never contributed anything of value to OSS and can never dream of even achieving 1% of what Miguel did, yet take it upon yourself to hate on the people who have contributed and call people with any other views as shills. I repeat, haters keep hating, talkers keep talking while do-er like Miguel keep doing.
I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes to get Microsoft and Apple to luv each other, but it seems like there is no rational reason for Nokia to leave Apple out of the fun except that they have been commanded to do so by Microsoft.
Which is total bull which I called out, because Nokia sued Apple and settled for a large sum + on going payments.
> The only real question is what it cost them to get the US DoJ to allow it.
Nice to see your selective quoting. See DoJ's rationale below:
"During the course of the division's investigation, several of the principal competitors, including Google, Apple and Microsoft, made commitments concerning their SEP licensing policies. The division's concerns about the potential anticompetitive use of SEPs was lessened by the clear commitments by Apple and Microsoft to license SEPs on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms, as well as their commitments not to seek injunctions in disputes involving SEPs. Google's commitments were more ambiguous and do not provide the same direct confirmation of its SEP licensing policies.
"In light of the importance of this industry to consumers and the complex issues raised by the intersection of the intellectual property rights and antitrust law at issue here, as well as uncertainty as to the exercise of the acquired rights, the division continues to monitor the use of SEPs in the wireless device industry, particularly in the smartphone and computer tablet markets. The division will not hesitate to take appropriate enforcement action to stop any anticompetitive use of SEP rights."
In other words, they got a binding commitment out of them not to use standards essential patents on non FRAND terms, something that Google has repeatedly failed to promise.
> The only real question is what it cost them to get the US DoJ to allow it. No, the real question is why do you repetitively make anti MS troll comments here on Slashdot?
Wait, so Microsoft promised Nokia to pay them $1 billion dollars a year to destroy itself with a shill CEO and Nokia took up that offer which will cost it much than a few billion dollars? A company whose market cap was ~$150 billion in 2007.
What are you smoking? You think the Finnish government will let that happen to their biggest company and employer?
I am interested in hearing your thoughts on this.
>You're an ass/and/ a shill.
I may be an ass only to you because you bring out the worst in me with your wrongful shill accusations.
>Recoiledsnake was infamous for doing this, especially if it involved Metro. He hasn't done it since he was called out on this.
What the fuck are you blathering about? This is what I hate about you. You accuse any one and everyone regardless of merit.
>New user with 10 posts >2. Vacuous pro-msft post - just content-free >3. Cheerleading >4. Rushed to the top of the page.
I am a new user with 10 posts? I've been on Slashdot for ~9 years.
My post that you're accusing me of was not content free, it had links to references and videos.
I already told you that I copy pasted my comment from another similar site because the story was the same, that's why I had so much text in the first post. I have nothing to do Microsoft, never got a cent from them directly or indirectly and do not own and never owned MSFT stock ever. Just because you notice some real trolls/shills with new usernames first post with MS positive content does not mean everyone who posts something positive about MS is a shill.
The comment you're replying to is spot on, there are thousands of anti MS posts, but one poster posts something positive and is instantly criticized. No wonder this place has turned into a wasteland of zealots and haters. Any objective people who were here left in disgust at these constant personal attacks.
Criticize as in make stupid statements that MS is colluding with Apple and stopped Nokia from suing it? That's not criticism, that's just plain wrong and lame at best.
Maybe, but posting misguiding rage comics and lame graphics which omit the big picture does not make a good discussion.
For example, AAPL went from $34 when Jobs took over in 1998 to 14 in 2003 under him as CEO. Did that Jobs was a sucky CEO and should have been fired in 2003 based on a rage comic on it's stock by a immature lame, armchair joker analyst like you who knows nothing about companies except to look up the stock price on Yahoo Finance? Turnarounds take time, Nokia had it's head under the sand till he took over. More details here http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm
Hello clueless. First things first, Nokia sued Apple and Apple pays them a tidy sum in royalties.
Second, Nokia stock was at $40 in 2008. So your lame rage comic is misleading at best and a troll at worst, since it omits the decline from $40 to $12. Go back to 4 chan and troll there.
Third, many of their patents are hardware patents with actual innovations in telecommunications, not XYZ swipe to unlock but on the internet or phone like the other lawsuits out there.
Google did indicate that they're lobbying on it, but won't say which way, which leads to the question. If they're lobbying against it, why would they hide it?
Alternatively, it could be B&N realizing that they're not able to compete with the Amazon Kindle and Fire juggernaut. Have you seen Amazon's recent results? The Fire has more than half of the Android tablets marketshare sewn up and all of the unified ecosystem is immensely helping them and making B&N fall further behind.
There are 85,000 apps in the Windows Phone marketplace now, not stellar but nothing to sneer at either.
Really? Let's see if it's nothing to sneer at. Here's a list of the top apps in the entertainment category on the windows phone app store. It is a cesspool of misogynist "boob" apps, sex position apps, rip-off iOS and Android apps and the rest is just pure throw-away junk.
*sneer*
It's not much different in the Android Marketplace... excuse me... Google Play.
Oh hi, anonymous troll. Please get some balls and post with your real account especially when trying to call others shills.
>The above companies are OEMs that make generic hardware that can run Microsoft software. Not what I'm talking about.
You were talking about Nokia, which is definitely an OEM that makes hardware that can run Microsoft software.
From HTC's wiki:
The company has a rich heritage of many "firsts", including creating the first Microsoft-powered smartphone (2002) and the first Microsoft 3G phone (2005).[6] Their first major product was made in 2000 and was one of the world's first touch screen smartphones.
So your statement:
>Any company to work that closely with MS always gets burned...is bullshit and you know it.
You see that it's a straight up increase for the Lumia since launch in Feb and taking about 5% share in less than 3 months of launch and still uptrending, with the N9 pretty stagnant at 2%.
> Nokia and MS have utterly failed in building ecosystem around what they decided to go with
There are 85,000 apps in the Windows Phone marketplace now, not stellar but nothing to sneer at either. With Windows 8, the software platform will be unified, and porting a Win 8 Metro app to Windows Phone will be super easy, with only the UI layer needing tweaks. Nokia going it alone would've faced much bigger challenges.
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It's copy pasted crap from a stolen source.
What shortsightedness. Everyone working on Linux ultimately does it to scratch their own itch, but Linux keeps getting better because of their contributions nonetheless. Linux working better under Windows will cause some people to use who wouldn't have, that's good for Linux since it will give it exposure.
Hear it from Linus himself:
Linus states that this is how all open source code gets written, developers scratching an itch. The fact that this comes from Microsoft shouldn’t make any difference at all, saying:
“I agree that it’s driven by selfish reasons, but that’s how all open source code gets written! We all “scratch our own itches”. It’s why I started Linux, it’s why I started git, and it’s why I am still involved. It’s the reason for everybody to end up in open source, to some degree.
So complaining about the fact that Microsoft picked a selfish area to work on is just silly. Of course they picked an area that helps them. That’s the point of open source – the ability to make the code better for your particular needs, whoever the ‘your’ in question happens to be.
Does anybody complain when hardware companies write drivers for the hardware they produce? No. That would be crazy. Does anybody complain when IBM funds all the POWER development, and works on enterprise features because they sell into the enterprise? No. That would be insane.
So the people who complain about Microsoft writing drivers for their own virtualization model should take a long look in the mirror and ask themselves why they are being so hypocritical.”
>Miguel's work for OSS was specifically focused on mono.
Are you a dumb ass? This ignorance is what I hate about the OSS zealots and MS haters like you.
Does GNOME ring a bell? Guess who started it?
>then moved on to microsoft where he got crowned as a MVP. Hint: that's not given out for outstanding OSS work.
Miguel de Icaza has received the Free Software Foundation 1999 Award for the Advancement of Free Software, the MIT Technology Review Innovator of the Year Award 1999, and was named one of Time magazine's 100 innovators for the new century in September 2000.
What about those awards? And he got MVP from Microsoft specifically for his OSS work. I guess you're a retard who never contributed anything of value to OSS and can never dream of even achieving 1% of what Miguel did, yet take it upon yourself to hate on the people who have contributed and call people with any other views as shills. I repeat, haters keep hating, talkers keep talking while do-er like Miguel keep doing.
The OP said this:
I don't know what has gone on behind the scenes to get Microsoft and Apple to luv each other, but it seems like there is no rational reason for Nokia to leave Apple out of the fun except that they have been commanded to do so by Microsoft.
Which is total bull which I called out, because Nokia sued Apple and settled for a large sum + on going payments.
> The only real question is what it cost them to get the US DoJ to allow it.
Nice to see your selective quoting. See DoJ's rationale below:
"During the course of the division's investigation, several of the principal competitors, including Google, Apple and Microsoft, made commitments concerning their SEP licensing policies. The division's concerns about the potential anticompetitive use of SEPs was lessened by the clear commitments by Apple and Microsoft to license SEPs on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms, as well as their commitments not to seek injunctions in disputes involving SEPs. Google's commitments were more ambiguous and do not provide the same direct confirmation of its SEP licensing policies.
"In light of the importance of this industry to consumers and the complex issues raised by the intersection of the intellectual property rights and antitrust law at issue here, as well as uncertainty as to the exercise of the acquired rights, the division continues to monitor the use of SEPs in the wireless device industry, particularly in the smartphone and computer tablet markets. The division will not hesitate to take appropriate enforcement action to stop any anticompetitive use of SEP rights."
In other words, they got a binding commitment out of them not to use standards essential patents on non FRAND terms, something that Google has repeatedly failed to promise.
> The only real question is what it cost them to get the US DoJ to allow it.
No, the real question is why do you repetitively make anti MS troll comments here on Slashdot?
Wait, so Microsoft promised Nokia to pay them $1 billion dollars a year to destroy itself with a shill CEO and Nokia took up that offer which will cost it much than a few billion dollars? A company whose market cap was ~$150 billion in 2007.
What are you smoking? You think the Finnish government will let that happen to their biggest company and employer?
I am interested in hearing your thoughts on this.
>You're an ass /and/ a shill.
I may be an ass only to you because you bring out the worst in me with your wrongful shill accusations.
>Microsoft promised a pile of cash and handed it over after he got hired.
To whom?
>Or are you totally ignorant of the history regarding this?
Enlighten me. Any references will be well appreciated.
Care to explain? I read it and don't see what you're referring to?
Okay, so tell me how Microsoft got Elop installed as the Nokia CEO.
Please be as detailed as possible.
What nonsense. Remember the Slashdot FUD campaign against Windows 7 in conjunction with Computerworld?
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2803249&cid=39764951
Also I hate to see Miguel attacked by zealots like you after having done so much for OSS. While the haters hate and talkers talk, do-ers like him do.
>Recoiledsnake was infamous for doing this, especially if it involved Metro. He hasn't done it since he was called out on this.
What the fuck are you blathering about? This is what I hate about you. You accuse any one and everyone regardless of merit.
>New user with 10 posts
>2. Vacuous pro-msft post - just content-free
>3. Cheerleading
>4. Rushed to the top of the page.
I am a new user with 10 posts? I've been on Slashdot for ~9 years.
My post that you're accusing me of was not content free, it had links to references and videos.
I already told you that I copy pasted my comment from another similar site because the story was the same, that's why I had so much text in the first post. I have nothing to do Microsoft, never got a cent from them directly or indirectly and do not own and never owned MSFT stock ever. Just because you notice some real trolls/shills with new usernames first post with MS positive content does not mean everyone who posts something positive about MS is a shill.
The comment you're replying to is spot on, there are thousands of anti MS posts, but one poster posts something positive and is instantly criticized. No wonder this place has turned into a wasteland of zealots and haters. Any objective people who were here left in disgust at these constant personal attacks.
Was that supposed to be funny or something? Because it came out as lame attempt at deprecating humor.
You think Nokia's board is dumb not to fire Elop if he's not acting in Nokia's best interests?
God, these lame armchair analyst zealots get on my nerves.
>You know, with all the money Apple and Microsoft are losing in these patent fights,
Citation needed.
According to most accounts, they're making a ton of money and shareholder value on the patents licensing.
Criticize as in make stupid statements that MS is colluding with Apple and stopped Nokia from suing it? That's not criticism, that's just plain wrong and lame at best.
>but he's putting in no effort to fix them and busy getting rid of anyone that can
What a fairy tale, Elop inherited a big mess. More details here http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm
Maybe, but posting misguiding rage comics and lame graphics which omit the big picture does not make a good discussion.
For example, AAPL went from $34 when Jobs took over in 1998 to 14 in 2003 under him as CEO. Did that Jobs was a sucky CEO and should have been fired in 2003 based on a rage comic on it's stock by a immature lame, armchair joker analyst like you who knows nothing about companies except to look up the stock price on Yahoo Finance? Turnarounds take time, Nokia had it's head under the sand till he took over. More details here http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm
Hello clueless. First things first, Nokia sued Apple and Apple pays them a tidy sum in royalties.
Second, Nokia stock was at $40 in 2008. So your lame rage comic is misleading at best and a troll at worst, since it omits the decline from $40 to $12. Go back to 4 chan and troll there.
Third, many of their patents are hardware patents with actual innovations in telecommunications, not XYZ swipe to unlock but on the internet or phone like the other lawsuits out there.
Google did indicate that they're lobbying on it, but won't say which way, which leads to the question. If they're lobbying against it, why would they hide it?
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/223069-google-acknowledges-lobbying-on-cybersecurity-bill-cispa
There are strong indications that Google is actually supporting the bill behind closed doors and hiding it avoid a public backlash.
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/221977-gop-chairman-google-supportive-of-controversial-cybersecurity-bill-cispa
Alternatively, it could be B&N realizing that they're not able to compete with the Amazon Kindle and Fire juggernaut. Have you seen Amazon's recent results? The Fire has more than half of the Android tablets marketshare sewn up and all of the unified ecosystem is immensely helping them and making B&N fall further behind.
Except that Google was saying it was not private data at all.. in which case it would be perfectly okay to turn over the date...
They can't have it both ways.
Bonch is an Apple shill and MS hater.
>Yeah, and if you look behind [statcounter.com] a bit, you'll see that Meego took 5% in less than three months of launch as well.
I am sorry, I looked at that graph in the link but it's nowhere close to 5%. Please get your eyes checked.
There are 85,000 apps in the Windows Phone marketplace now, not stellar but nothing to sneer at either.
Really? Let's see if it's nothing to sneer at. Here's a list of the top apps in the entertainment category on the windows phone app store. It is a cesspool of misogynist "boob" apps, sex position apps, rip-off iOS and Android apps and the rest is just pure throw-away junk.
*sneer*
It's not much different in the Android Marketplace... excuse me... Google Play.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/category/ENTERTAINMENT?feature=category-nav
However, I am sure "Pocket Girlfriend' is an app that you'd need.
>Oh, hi shill.
Oh hi, anonymous troll. Please get some balls and post with your real account especially when trying to call others shills.
>The above companies are OEMs that make generic hardware that can run Microsoft software. Not what I'm talking about.
You were talking about Nokia, which is definitely an OEM that makes hardware that can run Microsoft software.
From HTC's wiki:
The company has a rich heritage of many "firsts", including creating the first Microsoft-powered smartphone (2002) and the first Microsoft 3G phone (2005).[6] Their first major product was made in 2000 and was one of the world's first touch screen smartphones.
So your statement:
>Any company to work that closely with MS always gets burned. ..is bullshit and you know it.
Those also seem to be the worst available numbers, since it's from the disreputable anti Nokia troll pulling numbers out of his ass.
For example, lets look at Statcounter Data for mobile OSes in Finland.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-FI-monthly-201201-201203
(click on the legend for other OSes to make them disappear from the graph).
You see that it's a straight up increase for the Lumia since launch in Feb and taking about 5% share in less than 3 months of launch and still uptrending, with the N9 pretty stagnant at 2%.
> Nokia and MS have utterly failed in building ecosystem around what they decided to go with
There are 85,000 apps in the Windows Phone marketplace now, not stellar but nothing to sneer at either. With Windows 8, the software platform will be unified, and porting a Win 8 Metro app to Windows Phone will be super easy, with only the UI layer needing tweaks. Nokia going it alone would've faced much bigger challenges.