from a PR point it makes sense - it makes it had for you to find exact details - makes people look different places.. also gives the perception that it is larger of an even than it is. (if it was so small then a single source could handle the job easy).
it's all part of the Reality Distortion Field Effect.
there is a difference between hating your drill instructor and hating the chain of command.. while your there he is an asshole - you band with your fellow recruits - after you pass you realize the other officers are not nearly as bad, and you respect them because 90% of them will respect you, and you know that other 10% can be at least as bad to you as the drill instructor.. (a growth of respect with a buried seed of fear, keeps people in line)
see the problem i have here - it seems that everyone thinks it has to be extremes.. if they do this then EVERYTHING must do it.. where as now we are almost completely "good luck, thanks for the money"
whats needed is a healthy balance - and my example of a PE and a bridge is a very good analog for it.. if your building software where lives are going to be at stake then yes i think the person writing the code should be held responsible for it. Just like the construction working filling in a small pot hole isn't liable if it sags a programmer shouldn't be liable for a small desktop widget..
And i do "make" software - there is nothing magical about software that makes it inherently unstable or unpredictable. yes it can be miss used just as someone could miss use a hammer. Personally i'd like to see some type of liability put on it, if we are going to call our selves engineers then we should hold our selves to that standard. I think having a programmer in someway liable for their work would go along ways to improving the quality of software, i do understand that the liability should be limited to the size/scope of the work - not a fan of the extremes everyone seems would happen.
or not step on the green tiles.. from all the pictures i've see it looks like they use them as designs rather than blanketing them. If it is that much of an issue for them they can just not step on them
personally i feel that any law maker that signs into law a bill that is later found to be unconstitutional should serve jail time for conspiracy to deprive the public of their rights.
but that will never happen - they are there to get a paycheck just like everyone else.. its sad to me the lack of pride people take in their work now days.
yes - Code green was a work that used the exact same exploit as code red except it patch the hole and then spread it's self in the same manner as code red. but if the box was rebooted then code green would be gone and the box would be patched.
Obviously, that is an extreme case, and most software is not designed with the expectation of having lives depend on it. Just like you have different standards for military grade hardware and consumer hardware. There are a lot of options we have as a society in deciding how to treat risk.
You should see the amount of code that goes into a modern car, elevator, or the summation of code in plc's in plants. There is plenty of code now days that have an expectation not to kill a user.
but they are correct - it would be illegal and would also be wrong. best to take down the C&C and let the lifeless and there for useless net slowly get formatted into non existence.
although i'm waiting for the creative bot net that puts a self destruct in - wiping the box if it can't contact the C&C for an extended time (say 2 weeks) so that the security people get stuck with the possibility of destroying peoples data.
so a PE can get out of being liable for a badly designed bridge by putting the blueprints and the bill of materials on a sign before you get on the bridge?
there is a point where i agree that the programmers should be liable for their code - to the extent that it shows negligence. the fact that software for so long has gotten away with "good luck, thanks for the cash" mentality is kinda sad.
I am a programmer - and i would be willing to stand behind my code used in the environment for which it was intended.. but at the same time i would want to be compensated for the risk.. same way a PE gets compensated based on the scope of work they have to sign off on.
The hard part is deciding what to do, and making sure that what we do actually helps, which is not simple, easy, or obvious.
Your right - it's not simple, easy, or obvious, or quick. But one thing our society seems to be addicted to is instant gratification. If you can't do it all now then it must not work.
I think we where to take that away - and people have patience and not try to rush everything we might be able to make actual and factually backuped progress.
I know this is a big problem in both the school system and in industry. Rather than implementing long term strategies with measured goals and returns, everyone jumps on the bandwagons of the flavor of the month/year.
I'm not sure how this statement follows from the text you quoted. I was simply calling for a balance between two extreme views, but it sounds like you are arguing that racism exists in many directions (a fact I would never dispute). I'm I missing something?
not missing anything - i was trying to point that it goes in both directions.
I am a firm believer that you are what you work for. I would count my self as lower-mid middle class, all my parents did was provide a roof and meals
And even this is a lot more than some children get.
it is more than "some" get but not more than "most". there will always be extremes and we should work to help the extremes. Provide Shelter and food and jobs to the parents and/or foster homes, I know a lot of foster kids that turned out great, it can work. But providing handouts to the "norm" group is going to fail.
I completely agree that nobody should ever be given a free ride, and that long-term handouts are total wastes of money. At the same time, what should we, as a society, do in response to people (regardless of race) who start off in an environment where they lack even basic food and security? If a child finds him/herself in such a situation, there is a good chance that they are going to a horrible, underfunded school where there is essentially zero chance of getting an education. My wife worked for a while in New Orleans, and some schools there didn't even have books - how can you learn anything in that environment?
While i wasn't in a poor family i was bused to the same inner city schools you are talking about, i remember at least once a week someone getting knifed in a fight. Some teachers didn't care - some teachers only cared if you showed interest, the others burned out quickly. I made a point to avoid teachers that didn't teach.. and if i didn't have a book the library did, i worked for my education. My wife is a teacher, and the mentality that kids and parents have now days that their job is to just show up and the Teacher is completely responsible for their success in learning is completely wrong. the Schools job is to provide the appropriate environment, the teachers job is to facilitate the learning environment, the students job is to actively learn, and the parents is to support the process. This is NOT what happens in our public schools, you do not get to this type of environment until college.
Lets just agree that the school system as it stands is broken - we could have hours of conversation on why, lets avoid it and rather as a society drop the fingers and pick our selves up and do it right, and realize there is no such thing as a quick fix.
What opportunities exist for that person? How can that person even know of those opportunities?
the opportunities exist for that person just as others - some are out of reach, things that are for people of means, but it doesn't matter who you are there is always a way out of a slum, the longer you tell your self there isn't, the longer you participate in them, the more you will believe and there for create the trapped world that so many people feel they live in.
opportunities some times appear to people, but what most people view as "opportunities" for the majority are more the products of their work and effort than their surroundings. (aka if you work to better your self and your life you wouldn't want to live in a slum or be unemployed, but rather would work to move to other surroundings and there for find more "opportunities"). not sure if that came out right but i hope you understand the meaning.
"It's their problem, they should deal with it" and the attitude of "It's all the fault of the white man and group X can do no wrong."
no it isn't.. Just as you pointed out the KKK - i can point to several areas in this down that i would NEVER venture in at night, and the reason is because i'm white.
i personally think anyone that makes any assumptions about someone based on race is ignorant. and that is the real problem, ignorance. I see people both black and white right now with no work, i also see people who refuse to learn a new skill, who only want to work in what they know, people who refuse to work for reduced wages, and a government who is willing to support them.
I am a firm believer that you are what you work for. I would count my self as lower-mid middle class, all my parents did was provide a roof and meals. I paid for all my schooling, i worked to buy my car(s), and i worked to buy a home. I went to public schools in bad areas, but i worked early in life with the goal of not being dependent on anyone. I watched my older brother throw his life away and waste everything he could. When I see people getting long term handouts - it burns me, if people want money they should work for it. If the government is going to pay people they should be getting work for it.
And as for racial persecution, i will say that being white did not help me get into or pay for college - in fact it was a hindrance.
You work with what you are given, if your a failure you can only look at your self and your direct surroundings. But for the majority it's your own fault, people some times say they never got an opportunity but in reality you have to go find them not sit around waiting.
Agreed - my family are German immigrants - my grandfather's family was terrorized during the WW's. He went on to serve in the Army - and do quite well. While i don't like the actions people did to them, i know that other than my family line I am where I am today because I worked my ass off.
No i'm not comparing that to slavery - but the basis is the same.. if you don't like your situation, complaining about it and staying there isn't going to help, people need to get up and actually do something to better their situation.
i'll give you that the lingering effects of segregation and the civil rights movement are present today - but as for slavery in the US, other than taught in history and referenced by groups, no one alive today has any actual memory or experience of it from either side.
something that someone did to someone else 4+ generations ago is not an excuse for your failings/situation today.
paying for TV in it's current form is stupid.. paying for content isn't.. the actual shows - that is entertainment. originally advertisements where what funded the shows and the broadcast towers. When cable came along you had to pay for it, but there where no commercials (because well you where paying for it). Then they got greedy. Now people pay for cable so they can watch what someone else says they should like - and have to deal with a lot of very obnoxious adds. And they are paying a fortune wile the media companies rake it in passing the money from consumers and advertisers around to each other and them selves.
The wife and I subscribe to Netflix so we can have some quick and easy entertainment - no commercials and no fuss.. (and a fair bill for it). If they at any point wanted to add commercials the service better be free (aka like Hulu) or i will walk away.
so - if i have a hammer and i use it to nail a chair leg back on and then turn and use it to nail a table leg back on i've "refined" what?
so Opera's reason for doing this was to conserve bandwidth (image compression was only part of it) the other large but was the overhead of the requests and also the optimization of space in the transmission.
Amazon's is to optimize the data prior to the device.
they both do the same thing with minimally different options - so yes Amazon did what Opera has been doing for years. (FYI Opera mini always had an option to disable image compression)
not that it's an optimal fix - but you can on DD-WRT set a timed reboot cycle.. only problems i've seen with DD-WRT that i would consider a bug is it doesn't do DST changes to the clock except on boot (which screws up time profiles twice a year and hence why i have it set to reboot when they happen).. the other problem is (at least on the version i'm using) iptable entries are backwards when you enter them.
Right but DWI is completely and utterly avoidable. I understand the logic, first time was a bad decision on the drivers part - he has a year to learn from his mistakes. Second shows they don't care for the law and will do it anyways - so you take the privilege of driving away.
I'm of the mind that driving on public roads is a privilege to be earned via trust, not a right. If someone can't be trusted to follow the basics of motor vehicle safety they are show a disregard to the safety of others and putting others lives at risk for their own convince.
If they want to get drunk and go some place they can walk, ride a bike, call a cab, have a friend drive. But by no means should they be operating a car on public roads.
Slashdot Mirror
the Cube wasn't that bad - but Shuttle did it right with the XPC line
i bet it will - considering that they only place they would run that is on the salt flats..
from a PR point it makes sense - it makes it had for you to find exact details - makes people look different places.. also gives the perception that it is larger of an even than it is. (if it was so small then a single source could handle the job easy).
it's all part of the Reality Distortion Field Effect.
2 & 4 ?
there is a difference between hating your drill instructor and hating the chain of command.. while your there he is an asshole - you band with your fellow recruits - after you pass you realize the other officers are not nearly as bad, and you respect them because 90% of them will respect you, and you know that other 10% can be at least as bad to you as the drill instructor.. (a growth of respect with a buried seed of fear, keeps people in line)
see the problem i have here - it seems that everyone thinks it has to be extremes.. if they do this then EVERYTHING must do it.. where as now we are almost completely "good luck, thanks for the money"
whats needed is a healthy balance - and my example of a PE and a bridge is a very good analog for it.. if your building software where lives are going to be at stake then yes i think the person writing the code should be held responsible for it. Just like the construction working filling in a small pot hole isn't liable if it sags a programmer shouldn't be liable for a small desktop widget..
And i do "make" software - there is nothing magical about software that makes it inherently unstable or unpredictable. yes it can be miss used just as someone could miss use a hammer. Personally i'd like to see some type of liability put on it, if we are going to call our selves engineers then we should hold our selves to that standard. I think having a programmer in someway liable for their work would go along ways to improving the quality of software, i do understand that the liability should be limited to the size/scope of the work - not a fan of the extremes everyone seems would happen.
by that logic this conversation is a lingering effect of two people screwing in panasia ~70 million years ago
or not step on the green tiles.. from all the pictures i've see it looks like they use them as designs rather than blanketing them. If it is that much of an issue for them they can just not step on them
personally i feel that any law maker that signs into law a bill that is later found to be unconstitutional should serve jail time for conspiracy to deprive the public of their rights.
but that will never happen - they are there to get a paycheck just like everyone else.. its sad to me the lack of pride people take in their work now days.
yes - Code green was a work that used the exact same exploit as code red except it patch the hole and then spread it's self in the same manner as code red. but if the box was rebooted then code green would be gone and the box would be patched.
Obviously, that is an extreme case, and most software is not designed with the expectation of having lives depend on it. Just like you have different standards for military grade hardware and consumer hardware. There are a lot of options we have as a society in deciding how to treat risk.
You should see the amount of code that goes into a modern car, elevator, or the summation of code in plc's in plants. There is plenty of code now days that have an expectation not to kill a user.
remember code red? remember code Green?
but they are correct - it would be illegal and would also be wrong. best to take down the C&C and let the lifeless and there for useless net slowly get formatted into non existence.
although i'm waiting for the creative bot net that puts a self destruct in - wiping the box if it can't contact the C&C for an extended time (say 2 weeks) so that the security people get stuck with the possibility of destroying peoples data.
maybe i shouldn't give them any ideas.
i understand - but at that point a PE is no longer the standard we consider it to be and therefor would be worthless.
and any PE would walk away..
so a PE can get out of being liable for a badly designed bridge by putting the blueprints and the bill of materials on a sign before you get on the bridge?
there is a point where i agree that the programmers should be liable for their code - to the extent that it shows negligence. the fact that software for so long has gotten away with "good luck, thanks for the cash" mentality is kinda sad.
I am a programmer - and i would be willing to stand behind my code used in the environment for which it was intended.. but at the same time i would want to be compensated for the risk.. same way a PE gets compensated based on the scope of work they have to sign off on.
The hard part is deciding what to do, and making sure that what we do actually helps, which is not simple, easy, or obvious.
Your right - it's not simple, easy, or obvious, or quick. But one thing our society seems to be addicted to is instant gratification. If you can't do it all now then it must not work.
I think we where to take that away - and people have patience and not try to rush everything we might be able to make actual and factually backuped progress.
I know this is a big problem in both the school system and in industry. Rather than implementing long term strategies with measured goals and returns, everyone jumps on the bandwagons of the flavor of the month/year.
not missing anything - i was trying to point that it goes in both directions.
I am a firm believer that you are what you work for. I would count my self as lower-mid middle class, all my parents did was provide a roof and meals
And even this is a lot more than some children get.
it is more than "some" get but not more than "most". there will always be extremes and we should work to help the extremes. Provide Shelter and food and jobs to the parents and/or foster homes, I know a lot of foster kids that turned out great, it can work. But providing handouts to the "norm" group is going to fail.
I completely agree that nobody should ever be given a free ride, and that long-term handouts are total wastes of money. At the same time, what should we, as a society, do in response to people (regardless of race) who start off in an environment where they lack even basic food and security? If a child finds him/herself in such a situation, there is a good chance that they are going to a horrible, underfunded school where there is essentially zero chance of getting an education. My wife worked for a while in New Orleans, and some schools there didn't even have books - how can you learn anything in that environment?
While i wasn't in a poor family i was bused to the same inner city schools you are talking about, i remember at least once a week someone getting knifed in a fight. Some teachers didn't care - some teachers only cared if you showed interest, the others burned out quickly. I made a point to avoid teachers that didn't teach.. and if i didn't have a book the library did, i worked for my education. My wife is a teacher, and the mentality that kids and parents have now days that their job is to just show up and the Teacher is completely responsible for their success in learning is completely wrong. the Schools job is to provide the appropriate environment, the teachers job is to facilitate the learning environment, the students job is to actively learn, and the parents is to support the process. This is NOT what happens in our public schools, you do not get to this type of environment until college.
Lets just agree that the school system as it stands is broken - we could have hours of conversation on why, lets avoid it and rather as a society drop the fingers and pick our selves up and do it right, and realize there is no such thing as a quick fix.
What opportunities exist for that person? How can that person even know of those opportunities?
the opportunities exist for that person just as others - some are out of reach, things that are for people of means, but it doesn't matter who you are there is always a way out of a slum, the longer you tell your self there isn't, the longer you participate in them, the more you will believe and there for create the trapped world that so many people feel they live in.
opportunities some times appear to people, but what most people view as "opportunities" for the majority are more the products of their work and effort than their surroundings. (aka if you work to better your self and your life you wouldn't want to live in a slum or be unemployed, but rather would work to move to other surroundings and there for find more "opportunities"). not sure if that came out right but i hope you understand the meaning.
"It's their problem, they should deal with it" and the attitude of "It's all the fault of the white man and group X can do no wrong."
no it isn't.. Just as you pointed out the KKK - i can point to several areas in this down that i would NEVER venture in at night, and the reason is because i'm white.
i personally think anyone that makes any assumptions about someone based on race is ignorant. and that is the real problem, ignorance. I see people both black and white right now with no work, i also see people who refuse to learn a new skill, who only want to work in what they know, people who refuse to work for reduced wages, and a government who is willing to support them.
I am a firm believer that you are what you work for. I would count my self as lower-mid middle class, all my parents did was provide a roof and meals. I paid for all my schooling, i worked to buy my car(s), and i worked to buy a home. I went to public schools in bad areas, but i worked early in life with the goal of not being dependent on anyone. I watched my older brother throw his life away and waste everything he could. When I see people getting long term handouts - it burns me, if people want money they should work for it. If the government is going to pay people they should be getting work for it.
And as for racial persecution, i will say that being white did not help me get into or pay for college - in fact it was a hindrance.
You work with what you are given, if your a failure you can only look at your self and your direct surroundings. But for the majority it's your own fault, people some times say they never got an opportunity but in reality you have to go find them not sit around waiting.
Agreed - my family are German immigrants - my grandfather's family was terrorized during the WW's. He went on to serve in the Army - and do quite well. While i don't like the actions people did to them, i know that other than my family line I am where I am today because I worked my ass off.
No i'm not comparing that to slavery - but the basis is the same.. if you don't like your situation, complaining about it and staying there isn't going to help, people need to get up and actually do something to better their situation.
i'll give you that the lingering effects of segregation and the civil rights movement are present today - but as for slavery in the US, other than taught in history and referenced by groups, no one alive today has any actual memory or experience of it from either side.
something that someone did to someone else 4+ generations ago is not an excuse for your failings/situation today.
paying for TV in it's current form is stupid.. paying for content isn't.. the actual shows - that is entertainment. originally advertisements where what funded the shows and the broadcast towers. When cable came along you had to pay for it, but there where no commercials (because well you where paying for it). Then they got greedy. Now people pay for cable so they can watch what someone else says they should like - and have to deal with a lot of very obnoxious adds. And they are paying a fortune wile the media companies rake it in passing the money from consumers and advertisers around to each other and them selves.
The wife and I subscribe to Netflix so we can have some quick and easy entertainment - no commercials and no fuss.. (and a fair bill for it). If they at any point wanted to add commercials the service better be free (aka like Hulu) or i will walk away.
so - if i have a hammer and i use it to nail a chair leg back on and then turn and use it to nail a table leg back on i've "refined" what?
so Opera's reason for doing this was to conserve bandwidth (image compression was only part of it) the other large but was the overhead of the requests and also the optimization of space in the transmission.
Amazon's is to optimize the data prior to the device.
they both do the same thing with minimally different options - so yes Amazon did what Opera has been doing for years. (FYI Opera mini always had an option to disable image compression)
not that it's an optimal fix - but you can on DD-WRT set a timed reboot cycle.. only problems i've seen with DD-WRT that i would consider a bug is it doesn't do DST changes to the clock except on boot (which screws up time profiles twice a year and hence why i have it set to reboot when they happen).. the other problem is (at least on the version i'm using) iptable entries are backwards when you enter them.
Right but DWI is completely and utterly avoidable. I understand the logic, first time was a bad decision on the drivers part - he has a year to learn from his mistakes. Second shows they don't care for the law and will do it anyways - so you take the privilege of driving away.
I'm of the mind that driving on public roads is a privilege to be earned via trust, not a right. If someone can't be trusted to follow the basics of motor vehicle safety they are show a disregard to the safety of others and putting others lives at risk for their own convince.
If they want to get drunk and go some place they can walk, ride a bike, call a cab, have a friend drive. But by no means should they be operating a car on public roads.
so after two DWI's they put a W in front of the number? here we just revoke the licence (for 1year for first office for life after second)