A link to a source either confirming or disproving the notion that Linus said the official name is GNU/Linux would prove quite.. useful. People can say what they "think" until they are blue in the face, but I, for one, want to/know/. If anyone can help me out with this, feel free to email me.:)
A lot of people who use GNU/Linux and other GPL'ed stuff do so because of the licensing. Others could really care less and would use one of the BSD derivatives instead. And I kind of doubt anyone would use BSD. NetBSD, FreeBSD, or OpenBSD, perhaps.. Saying they'd be using BSD is sort of like saying they'd be using the orignal UNIX. That is, sort of unlikely. At any rate, who the hell cares? I was asking for the answer to a question, not a plug for your favorite OS.
Sometimes I don't have to wonder why a lot of people think *BSD users are snobbish and like to argue for no reason..
Besides which, I clearly said we'd "have" GNU/Hurd, not that we'd be/using/ it. Gah.
That was completely pointless. You'd think after not posting anything for a long while you could think of something better to do than troll around in the most unlikely of places.
They need money for better computing solutions, so they seek to strike a deal with Microsoft (well known for their cheap and inexpensive solutions), while many people would suggest FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, or even more surprisingly, GNU/Linux. Using any of those alternatives would be tons cheaper than using NT for all your servers (you also might not have as much of a headache).
"Would Linux exist today if Torvalds had never encountered UNIX, and instead spent his time mastering the intricacies of Windows NT?"
Well, no, but then, did they have NT when he was in school? Instead we'd have the GNU system with the "other" kernel.. the accursed one named with mutually recursive acronyms (not that I'm slamming the Hurd, I just think its name is funny).
Speaking of which, a slight dive offtopic.. Someone mentioned a while back during one of those GNU/Linux vs. Linux arguments that Linus Torvalds had gone on record as saying GNU/Linux was the official name. If anyone has a link to an online resource which documents such an assertion, please email me.. I've yet to find a Linus interview that even/mentioned/ GNU.:)
And even though most people in recent years used Macs at their high school, most of them went on to use.. what, Macintosh, you say? Of course not.. Windows!
A while back someone said something about Linus Torvalds having gone on record as saying "GNU/Linux" was the official name.. If anyone actually knows of an online resource which proves that, please email me. I've yet to see an interview with Torvalds that even/mentioned/ GNU.:)
So as to not/totally/ escape the topic, however.. Obviously with all the code these guys have churned out, they aren't just "idea men". The reason why they aren't eligible to win anymore is so that other people can be recognized, which is good because I of course agree that others should get some credit too. I think all the real "heavy hitters" will get the award over the next few years, so it will all balance out.
All this talk about employees goofing off at work got me to thinking.. Most of my friends who work for software companies spend a lot of their time in chat rooms, on MUDs, or something of the sort (they'd suddenly be having very loooong days at work if their companies were this draconian), and so I began to wonder..
What does Linus Torvalds do at work? I mean, I can see his employer coming up and asking him what he's doing and Linus saying, "Oh, I'm just in a chat room. I'll get back to work in about an hour or so." Then his boss, "How long have you been chatting so far?" Linus again, "All day, really." Finally, his boss: "Oh, ok. Talk to you later then, Linus." I mean, what would his boss do.. fire him?
Not that I think Linus would do that, really, but it's kind of amusing to think of the relationship between someone as respected for his achievements as Linus Torvalds and his employer if he did.:)
"Why not actaully give an award to the people who actually DID make this happen for once instaead of just some figure head."
The people who win this award are hardly just figureheads (well, unless you really don't like gcc, gdb, GNU Emacs, the Linux kernel, and Perl all that much and think we could do without them.. perhaps even better off that way!) in our community, they are also a very lively part of it! So far, the people who have won have made this happen in a/very/ real way.
Without Richard Stallman this wouldn't have started in the first place, without Linux Torvalds we wouldn't have had a complete OS just yet, and without Larry Wall.. it wouldn't be nearly as fun to code, damnit (he made patching easier during the process, too)! What's not to love?
"If it weren't for their hard work (much of it in their free time), and their blatant fanatacism about creating things that work and are free then there would be no open source / free software movement."
I'm not sure who this describes best other than Richard Stallman, so what do you mean "for once"?:)
I have no idea, but I kind of doubt it was due to monetary concerns.
I never did like SunOS or Solaris, though. At work the "time clock" runs on SunOS and is practically guaranteed to go down each and every day. I hate writing times down in a book.
Just because it's POSIX compliant doesn't make it UNIX. UNIX flavors are flavors of UNIX because they are derived from UNIX. GNU/Linux is not derived from UNIX, although the BSD derivatives are. *shrug*
"The judges, who must not only pick the winner but also which story was written by Brutus.1, include published authors and a university English professor."
In other words, the computer, a bunch of people who have thrown a Web page online at some point during their lives, and some prof who has better things to do than prepare for his next class.
"The computer - which cost $2 million and took more than six years to develop - can write stories with themes of betrayal, deception, evil and a little bit of voyeurism."
It exhibits all of the best qualities in a person!
" "It's provocative," said Hurley, who is running the contest. "But I bet nobody is going to figure out which one was written by a computer - most people write stories that are worse than this." "
I'm not sure if what he's talking about is provocative, but the topics that computer writes about sure are. Well, we all know that the English prof is going to win, and apparently they got the Web page making people together so the computer will blend in.
" "I don't believe Brutus is a true conscious entity," said Bringsjord, director of the school's minds-and-machines lab. "It doesn't have a human body yet." "
You can't be a conscious entity unless you have a human body? Damn.. I was so hoping to be one of those heads in a jar like in Futurama.. Grr.
Actually.. watch this thing turn into something like Skynet in the Terminator movies some day and see what this guy has to say/then/!
The fact that it's dry is what makes it funny (to weird people like me and the moderator with good taste who agreed).. I guess you'd have to recognize me from my previous posts to realize I was making a joke, unless you're better at catching onto subtle things like that than I usually am myself.:)
"Um what has fallen so far? Linux killed what? Irix? Solaris? *BSD ?"
*BSD?? *rofl* You must not pay much attention to these happy Slashdot stories if you don't know what I'm talking about. It wasn't -that- long ago (less than a week or so)..
"I for one have yet to see Linux run well in SMP?"
I'm unsure if you are attempting to assert your opinion or question yourself. Sorry, it's too easy.
"Is it some Messiah come to bring all of unix together? Eh..get real."
I believe you want to take that comment back to the original poster on this thread, if I'm not mistaken. Certainly not for me, that's for sure. Eventually, as far as UNIX is concerned, we won't have a whole lot left except the free flavors, like the BSD brothers, at least if things continue in this vein (they may not, I'm not a fortune-teller). So in a way, GNU/Linux could actually do just that, even though it's not a de facto member of UNIX. This is neither here nor there however, and nor do I care.:)
The rest of what you said had even less to do with my question, so, let's move on, next topic..
"I have nothing against the other Unixes, even less against ths BSDs, but I think that after decades of fragmentation, the Unix world is coming together at last, in the form of Linux."
Didn't that already happen with POSIX, which is what allows GNU/Linux to "play nice" in the first place? Besides, that's an odd way to put it since GNU/Linux is only "UNIX-compatible" not "UNIX-derived", unlike *BSD and the other flavors of Unices.
To think I just got through bothering some guy who wrote an article for a BSD-related news site about his odd misrepresentations of GNU/Linux.. Care to define "light years"? For a "naughty upstart" it sure has done a good job is causing a few flavors of UNIX to fall already.
You certainly can't be thinking I was serious..? That's pretty funny in and of itself.:) Oh well. It's always one extreme or the other.. when I'm direct, I'm the hammer slamming down into the nail, when I'm subtle.. "Hey, Joe, did you hear someone say something?"
If you just consider the name, having a Web site named AntiOnline seems to be an oxymoron of the highest order. As funny as the existence of that mirror is, after the ridiculous name of that site, I'm not very surprised at this guy's idiocy.
Perhaps after hearing the rumors, Compaq has decided that the best way to save themselves money is to delay porting their OS to another architecture, instead opting to wait until Transmeta comes out with that processor which can emulate other architectures. Certainly sounds cost-effective to me.
Someone should take a clue-by-four to this idiot. I think he has seen "Hackers" once too often (arguably, once is once too often, but hey), and should switch to decaf.. At the very least he could visit the Jargon File and look up a few other interesting terms (like, hacker, perhaps?). Most of us really don't have the inclination to spend most of our free time just cracking into Web sites. *yawn*
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A link to a source either confirming or disproving the notion that Linus said the official name is GNU/Linux would prove quite.. useful. People can say what they "think" until they are blue in the face, but I, for one, want to /know/. If anyone can help me out with this, feel free to email me. :)
A lot of people who use GNU/Linux and other GPL'ed stuff do so because of the licensing. Others could really care less and would use one of the BSD derivatives instead. And I kind of doubt anyone would use BSD. NetBSD, FreeBSD, or OpenBSD, perhaps.. Saying they'd be using BSD is sort of like saying they'd be using the orignal UNIX. That is, sort of unlikely. At any rate, who the hell cares? I was asking for the answer to a question, not a plug for your favorite OS.
Sometimes I don't have to wonder why a lot of people think *BSD users are snobbish and like to argue for no reason..
Besides which, I clearly said we'd "have" GNU/Hurd, not that we'd be /using/ it. Gah.
That was completely pointless. You'd think after not posting anything for a long while you could think of something better to do than troll around in the most unlikely of places.
They need money for better computing solutions, so they seek to strike a deal with Microsoft (well known for their cheap and inexpensive solutions), while many people would suggest FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, or even more surprisingly, GNU/Linux. Using any of those alternatives would be tons cheaper than using NT for all your servers (you also might not have as much of a headache).
"Would Linux exist today if Torvalds had never encountered UNIX, and instead spent his time mastering the intricacies of Windows NT?"
Well, no, but then, did they have NT when he was in school? Instead we'd have the GNU system with the "other" kernel.. the accursed one named with mutually recursive acronyms (not that I'm slamming the Hurd, I just think its name is funny).
Speaking of which, a slight dive offtopic.. Someone mentioned a while back during one of those GNU/Linux vs. Linux arguments that Linus Torvalds had gone on record as saying GNU/Linux was the official name. If anyone has a link to an online resource which documents such an assertion, please email me.. I've yet to find a Linus interview that even /mentioned/ GNU. :)
And even though most people in recent years used Macs at their high school, most of them went on to use.. what, Macintosh, you say? Of course not.. Windows!
A while back someone said something about Linus Torvalds having gone on record as saying "GNU/Linux" was the official name.. If anyone actually knows of an online resource which proves that, please email me. I've yet to see an interview with Torvalds that even /mentioned/ GNU. :)
So as to not /totally/ escape the topic, however.. Obviously with all the code these guys have churned out, they aren't just "idea men". The reason why they aren't eligible to win anymore is so that other people can be recognized, which is good because I of course agree that others should get some credit too. I think all the real "heavy hitters" will get the award over the next few years, so it will all balance out.
All this talk about employees goofing off at work got me to thinking.. Most of my friends who work for software companies spend a lot of their time in chat rooms, on MUDs, or something of the sort (they'd suddenly be having very loooong days at work if their companies were this draconian), and so I began to wonder..
What does Linus Torvalds do at work? I mean, I can see his employer coming up and asking him what he's doing and Linus saying, "Oh, I'm just in a chat room. I'll get back to work in about an hour or so." Then his boss, "How long have you been chatting so far?" Linus again, "All day, really." Finally, his boss: "Oh, ok. Talk to you later then, Linus." I mean, what would his boss do.. fire him?
Not that I think Linus would do that, really, but it's kind of amusing to think of the relationship between someone as respected for his achievements as Linus Torvalds and his employer if he did. :)
"Why not actaully give an award to the people who actually DID make this happen for once instaead of just some figure head."
The people who win this award are hardly just figureheads (well, unless you really don't like gcc, gdb, GNU Emacs, the Linux kernel, and Perl all that much and think we could do without them.. perhaps even better off that way!) in our community, they are also a very lively part of it! So far, the people who have won have made this happen in a /very/ real way.
Without Richard Stallman this wouldn't have started in the first place, without Linux Torvalds we wouldn't have had a complete OS just yet, and without Larry Wall.. it wouldn't be nearly as fun to code, damnit (he made patching easier during the process, too)! What's not to love?
"If it weren't for their hard work (much of it in their free time), and their blatant fanatacism about creating things that work and are free then there would be no open source / free software movement."
I'm not sure who this describes best other than Richard Stallman, so what do you mean "for once"? :)
I believe Larry Wall won the award for 1998 (that's why he's not eligible).
I have no idea, but I kind of doubt it was due to monetary concerns.
I never did like SunOS or Solaris, though. At work the "time clock" runs on SunOS and is practically guaranteed to go down each and every day. I hate writing times down in a book.
Well, until you finish trolling and answer my query, which I posed first, I'll feel free to leave you in the dark, kid.
Just because it's POSIX compliant doesn't make it UNIX. UNIX flavors are flavors of UNIX because they are derived from UNIX. GNU/Linux is not derived from UNIX, although the BSD derivatives are. *shrug*
"The judges, who must not only pick the winner but also which story was written by Brutus.1, include published authors and a university English professor."
In other words, the computer, a bunch of people who have thrown a Web page online at some point during their lives, and some prof who has better things to do than prepare for his next class.
"The computer - which cost $2 million and took more than six years to develop - can write stories with themes of betrayal, deception, evil and a little bit of voyeurism."
It exhibits all of the best qualities in a person!
" "It's provocative," said Hurley, who is running the contest. "But I bet nobody is going to figure out which one was written by a computer - most people write stories that are worse than this." "
I'm not sure if what he's talking about is provocative, but the topics that computer writes about sure are. Well, we all know that the English prof is going to win, and apparently they got the Web page making people together so the computer will blend in.
" "I don't believe Brutus is a true conscious entity," said Bringsjord, director of the school's minds-and-machines lab. "It doesn't have a human body yet." "
You can't be a conscious entity unless you have a human body? Damn.. I was so hoping to be one of those heads in a jar like in Futurama.. Grr.
Actually.. watch this thing turn into something like Skynet in the Terminator movies some day and see what this guy has to say /then/!
And what does he mean by "yet"..? *shudder*
"Seriously, while possibly indistinguishable from human writing, will the stuff be good? That, I doubt."
I think that the fact that it's /not/ good is the reason why it's indistinguishable from human writing.
The fact that it's dry is what makes it funny (to weird people like me and the moderator with good taste who agreed).. I guess you'd have to recognize me from my previous posts to realize I was making a joke, unless you're better at catching onto subtle things like that than I usually am myself. :)
"Um what has fallen so far? Linux killed what? Irix? Solaris? *BSD ?"
*BSD?? *rofl* You must not pay much attention to these happy Slashdot stories if you don't know what I'm talking about. It wasn't -that- long ago (less than a week or so)..
"I for one have yet to see Linux run well in SMP?"
I'm unsure if you are attempting to assert your opinion or question yourself. Sorry, it's too easy.
"Is it some Messiah come to bring all of unix together? Eh..get real."
I believe you want to take that comment back to the original poster on this thread, if I'm not mistaken. Certainly not for me, that's for sure. Eventually, as far as UNIX is concerned, we won't have a whole lot left except the free flavors, like the BSD brothers, at least if things continue in this vein (they may not, I'm not a fortune-teller). So in a way, GNU/Linux could actually do just that, even though it's not a de facto member of UNIX. This is neither here nor there however, and nor do I care. :)
The rest of what you said had even less to do with my question, so, let's move on, next topic..
"I have nothing against the other Unixes, even less against ths BSDs, but I think that after decades of fragmentation, the Unix world is coming together at last, in the form of Linux."
Didn't that already happen with POSIX, which is what allows GNU/Linux to "play nice" in the first place? Besides, that's an odd way to put it since GNU/Linux is only "UNIX-compatible" not "UNIX-derived", unlike *BSD and the other flavors of Unices.
To think I just got through bothering some guy who wrote an article for a BSD-related news site about his odd misrepresentations of GNU/Linux.. Care to define "light years"? For a "naughty upstart" it sure has done a good job is causing a few flavors of UNIX to fall already.
*BSD? Pick one, damn it. And define "everything". Will it run on my toaster? :)
"We have linux, freebsd, openbsd, netbsd, solaris, tru64, sunOS, AIX, HP-UX, etc. All of them have niche markets."
Well, all except those flavors of UNIX which are getting trashed because their developers are swinging their support over to Linux. :)
You certainly can't be thinking I was serious..? That's pretty funny in and of itself. :) Oh well. It's always one extreme or the other.. when I'm direct, I'm the hammer slamming down into the nail, when I'm subtle.. "Hey, Joe, did you hear someone say something?"
If you just consider the name, having a Web site named AntiOnline seems to be an oxymoron of the highest order. As funny as the existence of that mirror is, after the ridiculous name of that site, I'm not very surprised at this guy's idiocy.
"..Terry Shannon, author of the Shannon Knows Compaq newsletter."..
"..believes it's likely Compaq will cut development of Tru64 on IA-64."
Wow, someone is sure going to look like a fool if they're wrong. :)
Perhaps after hearing the rumors, Compaq has decided that the best way to save themselves money is to delay porting their OS to another architecture, instead opting to wait until Transmeta comes out with that processor which can emulate other architectures. Certainly sounds cost-effective to me.
Someone should take a clue-by-four to this idiot. I think he has seen "Hackers" once too often (arguably, once is once too often, but hey), and should switch to decaf.. At the very least he could visit the Jargon File and look up a few other interesting terms (like, hacker, perhaps?). Most of us really don't have the inclination to spend most of our free time just cracking into Web sites. *yawn*