Don't cry over a dead theory. It has no feelings, I promise. So, uh, i read talkorigins pretty regular and so far they have done more to convince me of the nonexistence of any proof of evolution than any source anywhere. One of the first things they try to use is to play with the definition. Eventually you come to understand that most of their efforts fall on semantics rather that detectable proof.
Oh man, how much time do you have? The idiots like Timothy Leary, the mass murderers like Hitler and Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc., ALL believed they were helping the human race to evolve. While the fathers of the natural sciences believed in a creator and had the common sense to know that everything around them did not create itself out of nothing, people who believed in evolution have never accomplished anything through it. Think about it. All of the things that cause mutation are things we are told to avoid - overexposure to sunlight, nuclear radiation, Chernobyl. These are things people FLEE from because they tend to be anti-survival.
QUICK: DNA for organisms residing in a gene pool where part of the population is eliminated. Ceratin traits that exist in some do not exist in others and thus a loss. Same thing happens in natural selection, loss of genetic information or a larger gene pool. Same thing occurs with extinction, of which we are reminded that 90% of all life forms in existence at one time or another are extinct.
That fact alone disagrees with the entire imaginary engine that is supposed to push evolution. Being that loss and entropy are proven through observation and beneficial mutation is so rare it is a wonder that anyone got the idea it could even go up.
You do not have to assume linear shrinkage, it could could be geometric or exponential, but it is doing so at a pretty good clip at this time. To think that somehow it was roughly the same size or close enough BILLIONS of years ago defies all of physical science.
No, I will leave linear assumptions to people who try to use carbon 14 to date ancient artifacts or organic specimens they assume had a nearly identical atmosphere in the prehistoric past. Take one reading and get 5,000 years. Take another of the same specimen and get 68,000,000!
The source I last saw on the sun was the Harvard -Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and High Altitude Observatory in Boulder. There are many sources, but surely you understand the sun (like any other star) does stay the same size, don't you?
All claims to speciation wind up laughable when they start playing with the definition of speciation. They should not do that since everyone worshiping at the altar of the secular humanist religion of evolution need proof, real scientific proof, and not pep rally assertions, semantic tricks.
Since we have been told every excuse under the sun as to WHY evolution cannot be proven, bring forth life! Right now. Do it. You can't, and neither can scientists despite 100 years of trying. How about evolving something into something else. By that, I don't mean something that cannot reproduce with another of its own species, that cuts off genetic variation. I also don't mean something LOSING genetic information. I mean something GAINING a beneficial mutation that puts it into ANOTHER classification that can actually be detected and can reproduce.
Also, speaking of the sun, did you know the sun burns off about 5 feet of nuclear material a day? That means if you step back in time the sun is much larger than it is now. Its a problem for evolutionists who think the earth HAD to be here for BILLIONS of years. You see, when you go back a few thousand years the sun is much larger, but not so big as to cause problems for life. But when you go back hundreds of thousands, much less millions of years, you get a sun so big that the earth's surface would be thousands of degrees hotter than currently. Temperatures that would liquefy iron are not conducive to life.
Playing with nomenclature again. This should not be this hard if it was REALLY science. Life brings death, not the opposite. That is what ID, creationism, or whatever you want to call it states even though it should not have to for people who can detect it every day when a hearse goes by. That is real, tested, observed, proven science, proven every day, while evolution is imaginary.
Since I don't know the difference between that and proof for math, integrate e to the x and then prove that. That goofy creationist Isaac Newton was one wacky non scientist when he invented calculus, right? He didn't know anything about math! Pfffftttttt!!!!! Go ahead and evolve something in the lab if you can and send out an email about it. Try fruit flys, no one has ever tried that before! Yeah!
No, I am saying exactly what I said. DEATH DOES NOT PRODUCE LIFE!!! Life brings death. This should not need further explanation. The evolutionist always said that if all the MATERIALS for life were together that life would exist. That should mean a person should never die. A corpse has all the chemicals necessary for life, and yet it is dead.
But don't bother yourself with science, you defend this not because of science but because you chose to believe it. You sure did not get any science out of it because there isn't any. Don't cry for your life theory man, its not a living thing any more than Darwin is now. You cling to this thing because it gives you some form of comfort, not because of science, so don't kid yourself. Everything evolution espouses as true has no proof of it whatsoever. Take your intermediate species, for example. You try to do away with the need for intermediate species when the whole theory says they had to exist at some point. The whole theory espouses GRADUAL change over time and there should be 800 million fossils demonstrating it all over the world. With NONE existing they claim ALL change is evolution. Adaptation is nothing except adaptation, nothing more. I go out in the sun and get a tan and an evolutionist will claim that 10000 generations from now the progeny will be either King Kong or a bug! I look at it and say the same person will look much like me, with or without a tan.
Since you think the Bible must be wrong scientifically you should read where it states that organisms reproduce after their kind, and that life brings death, not the opposite. Always has, always will and science has proven just that. No further proof needed. If you really want some kind of proof you need more than beliefs like
1. It is happening so slowly than no one can detect it (no proof)
2. It used to happen, but does not anymore (still no proof)
3. Happens every day, all the time (you've got to be kidding me)
No, an actual scientific theory like AC circuit theory is demonstrated in the lab, not in the imagination. Oh, and don't laugh at the three claims, they have all been used as excuses by evolutionists for the total lack of proof at one time or another. Go ahead and evolve a fruitfly into something else and send out an email when you do. They've been poisoning and radiating fruit flies for decades now and have not even been able to produce a horsefly, much less a horse. Just a bunch of retarded fruit flies, many of them sterile.
Oh man! If you really want people to disbelieve evolution send them to talkorigins. To try to prove speciation they start playing with the semantics of
how it is defined!!!
Then they move on to say that hybridization could have something to do with it (thats great being that most hybrids cannot reproduce sexually), then to completely underscore no existing proof they pick the fruit fly!!! Oh yes! My favorite!! One short piece in there they suggest that when fruit flies started eating other sources of fruit besides apples that that might be proof of a different species of fly evolving. Like me eating a mango since I have not done so before, it must mean I am mutating into some other species!!! Yes!
It would be more honest if Darwin's defenders would just admit they are emotionally attached to the idea that they will never be judged for their actions here on earth. Because one thing is absolutely scientifically certain - you will never bring forth life from death (evolution) and life absolutely brings death (ID). How many millenia of observation does it take to prove something you see everyday at a funeral parlor?
There are no mechanics in nature operating in evolution. The studies you mention all make assumptions based on a non-scientific idea of how they think it happened. None of them demonstrate anything, like creating life. Your problem is not with religion but science. Anything scientific must have at least one of 3 things. It must be scientifically testable, observable, or provable. Anything real must have one of these, and they usually have all 3. Evolution has none.
Look, I'll believe in evolution too, just create life in the lab (or anywhere) and that ends it. Can't do it? Why not? Surely its a snap. You as an evolutionist believe in something you cannot prove in the lab, or anywhere else.
Be sure when you create life that you send out an email announcing it. They've been trying it now for over 100 years, 60 seriously. I won't hold my breath.
The twilight of the theory of evolution is at hand due to lack of proof and you are still trying to prop it up even to its last dying breath.
Here is some simple logic for you who think evolution is obvious. Does life bring death? Or does death bring life? That ought to be really obvious to anyone.
The so called "laws" you cite are not laws but have to do with free market economics. I worked as a manager for Footlocker and they, like most mega malls don't open until noon on Sundays because there are usually so few people shopping at that time that it is not cost effective to open at that time.
If you are so enslaved to alcohol that you just have to have it getting up in the morning after binging the night before you have a serious problem, so I can see why you don't want any morality interjecting itself into your life.
What you are advocating is nothing more than an anti-religious jihad, dictated by an atheist. That is not freedom in any form. We have that just 90 miles south of here in lovely Cuba. Its so nice they have to keep people there by shooting them for trying to escape. A nice vacation there would do you good, and it would be even better if you immigrated there to really see what it is like when someone like yourself implements what you recommend. That great $1.40 a month salary would sweeten it even further, and kind of leave you short on your drinking money. Be certain you don't ever let your opinion be known in such a place or you will just turn up "missing".
When I saw the topic I knew this screeching hatefulness had nothing to do with you-tube copyrights, just a sinking feeling among atheists that Darwinian evolution has been sucking air for too long and has reached the mandatory scientific sell-by date due to lack of proof.
I was SOOOOOOO waiting for this response I nearly cheered when I saw it. As an MBA who does nothing but IT management, I nearly leaped through my computer screen here. The pointy-haired boss from Dilbert lives in every company or school I have EVER seen.
They think they know what they are doing because of something they read somewhere that was written by a paid MS apparatchik.
The MS droid (unlike Linux, no one supports MS without being paid to do so) will pompously announce that Linux is no good and will cost MORE in the long run due to these statistics.
The MS stats always exaggerate TCO to the hilt, such as assuming the TCO contains the price it would take to send EVERYONE in the company to a private school for 2 years to learn Linux.
I have a simple solution that always works in this scenario. Get a printed quote from MS of what it would cost to run 20 blade server licenses using server 2003. You MUST print out a hard copy since it looks like a bill. Then make sure your pointy haired boss reads it, but don't come in saying I told you so! Just come in and tell them something to the effect "I got a quote from Microsoft sent to me the other day for our server farm and what they could guarantee our price at." Then just leave it with them nonchalantly. Don't worry about any of them asking what a blade server is, they won't bother. Server 2003 blade servers cost $60,000 per! When they see what it would really cost them to do this they all of a sudden decide what they have now ain't so bad!!! The bean counters may know little or nothing about computers or networks, but they know what it is costing them now and if they were to take a multimillion dollar bill to the president or board with the explanation that this will save the company money, it might just cost them their jobs. But at a minimum it will make them look really stupid when basic questions are asked like "What is our current setup costing us?"
Proof in science is key to anything that is supposed to be science. Everything real must be scientifically testable, observable, or provable. All real things must have at least 1 of these things to be considered scientific. MOST things have all 3, but to be real it MUST have at least 1! Evolution has none. Not one.
It would be ridiculous to assert that absolute proof has to occur for everything and saying that about the sun for an illustration is absurd. Most things about the sun can be measured with scientific instruments: light, heat, various forms of radiation, etc. The distance can be estimated using simple parallax geometry.
But forget all of that.
ALL any scientist, or just someone pretending to be a scientist has to do to PROVE evolution and end the excuse industry surrounding their pitifully un-scientific theory is simply to create life in the lab.
We are told all kinds of fables about how it may have, could have, possibly have, originated: all the elements for life come together and somehow life creates itself, despite the fact that they have no more proof now over 150 years after Darwin than they did in Darwin's day. Despite the fact that all the elements for life are present in a dead body the second it quits breathing.
As easy as that is supposed to happen at random you would think it would be a matter of utter simplicity in the lab, a mere elementary school science project. But no, not only are they not able to do it in the lab they have NEVER seen it in nature in ANY form.
The more desperate atheist/evolutionists become about a complete void of proof of life creating itself, the more relaxed they have let standards for proof become, at least in this area. They are currently grasping at straws so tiny that they are actually claiming that any change whatsoever in a living organism has to be evolution at work. A person getting a suntan would never produce another species a million generations into the future, or a billion or a trillion. The same person if he could travel through time would see another human looking almost exactly like himself only with or without a suntan.
I love the 3 most popular excuses given for why evolution cannot meet scientific proof: 1. Evolution is no longer occuring 2. It happens so slow as to be beyond detection 3. Punctuated equilibrium is responsible for the intermediate fossil gap.
The three reasons given for why they can't give you proof are themselves un-provable. This standard of proof could prove a house haunted and no one could disprove it.
But this slack will never be given to a crazy person claiming a haunted house or for that matter to anything else in the universe except evolution.
But even that is ok since every day that goes by without creating or evolving life in the lab is one more day of absolute scientific proof against evolution.
Every time a living fossil is discovered somewhere that was thought extinct milllions of years ago is another piece of un-deniable evidence against evolution. The first time a coelacanthe fish was caught in the 1940s ( a fish thought to be extinct over 30 million years ago), it was the first in a long line of species discovered later that did not obey Darwin. The mug rat discovered living in Borneo identical to its latest fossil just recently was thought to be gone at least 50 million years ago. It seems that no species seems to be cooperating with their precious theory ( my precccc-ious!). The clock is ticking on a long dead theory.
Throw Darwin's worthless ring into the fires of Mordor. It never did lead anyone to anything except lies.
Yes, 9x320.
Lets do unregulated experiments on ANY cadaver without anyone's consent either. Any med student given his deceased mother or child to work on without his foreknowledge might be in for a surprise!
But of course they would be sentimental fools and not scientists!!!!
I believe CHINA will be the next Medical Powerhouse because as you know, there they can experiment on live prisoners!!!!!! Of course they are death row prisoners and going to die anyway, so lets not waste this wonderful promising new resource ourselves!!!!! BTW, they sentence 65,000 to death each year, so we will NEVER run out of a resource there!!!
This should start in the US soon! We don't want to get left behind!!
No, I'm afraid we are nowhere near as moral as Star Trek. We can't even get them to refrain from killing a living breathing person coming out of the womb while being born.
Thats right, a being with its own heartbeat, own brainwaves, own respiration. Nope, no sentient being there, declares the infallible SCOTUS!!! And they are never wrong!
America does not economically dominate the world through healthcare. If that were true, other countries would strive to emulate our healthcare system. Maybe you are thinking of pharmaceutical companies? They don't dominate either. If the NIH cured every cancer tomorrow the US would not dominate the world. What on earth makes you think healthcare is a growth industry?
Third place in what? Slaughtering? We're already behind China and North Korea in that area, and wouldn't you just love to move there?
You are not worried about the money here. Since America is the supermarket to the world, to think that somehow they would not sell any technology except to just the country that discovered it shows your ignorance. And California already does ESCR to their hearts content. So you are no worried about the US being third place. But of course who worries about murder so long as we make MONEY!!! Oh yes, money is much more important than people.
And my own mother has Alzheimer's~ which I can assure you will NOT be cured by slaughtering people, no matter how MANY people have to die for this thing that never quite works, is always just around the corner, etc. Is it possible that if the proponents of ESCR did not claim that all diseases would be cured, somebody might actually believe them?
When are the "breakthroughs" coming that all these other nations that have no limits in any form going to manifest? If money was what they were concerned about losing to other countries then California should be the richest state in the nation instead of 10s of BILLIONS of dollars in DEBT!!!
I'll tell you when the breakthroughs will come, never. Its like asking an evolutionist for scientific proof that life creates itself. Don't expect the popular press to ask any real questions about any of this. They KNOW there are no answerable questions by any proponent out there. I just wish someone would inform Michael J. Fox that this "research" is ongoing by California and many other countries. THEN they need to inform him that they will use him as a test subject for their latest "theory". Wonder how fast he would change his tune on this wonderful "science" under those conditions?
I CANNOT fathom a hundred Dr. Menegele's leaving this country for Thailand! And all that money money money. We have no need of people so long as we have the MONEY! We desperately need more mad scientists telling us their discovery is just around the corner so they can get another grant for their non-productive work.
So lets assume your inability to understand what a google search is and brings back is not an issue. Do you realize that you have just admitted that although research has been going on since at least 1963 NO discoveries have been made in embryonic stem cell research in 43 years of trying????? 43 years is a long time for non-productive research. But not to worry, since you also believe in Global Warming you know we only have a few years left anyway.
It makes sense that in order to do so, they require some information about how much money you made and how much money your company made. Even if they didn't collect information from you directly, they would collect data from your employer in pursuit of their official duties.
Ahhhh, then it is fine and dandy that they know just about everything that you would want to keep secret from everyone. ANY of this info you care to give to ME???? How about anyone else???? What if we told you it was in pursuit of our "official" duties?
How about exactly how~when~where~why you spent it? They know that too. You're kinda late to that party by almost 90 years, don't you think?
NOt scared of anything? Man you're pissing in your pants right now because you're secular god is failing you and you don't know what to do. Earth is easily proven to be an oblate spheroid by an amateur astronomer. BUt its funny you mention a flat earth since God told Job about the rotundity of the earth in the book of Job. If he had told the 'wisemen' of his day about it they would have laughed him to scorn, kind of like you, or people who believe like you to this day, saying without proof that everything made itself. You claim you're doing science? What science? A meth lab?
Yeah,
A trilobite (an anthropod if you're curious)must be fauna or flora huh? I guess a trilobite is a lower order than a microbe or plant??
And you say **MY** description of the fossil record is out of date?
Man I would be sickofthisshit too if I were you since you don't know anything about it. Hurry back to the TV with your Spock ears on because the Captain is in trouble and needs your help!
Yes, reports made by NASA, they're always making stuff up like that. Sorry if you flunked astronomy, but if you don't believe me just ask any astronomer.
Also, I really like your comment about a "mindless extrapolation of one measurement of the arbitrary past" The historical past is not arbitrary, although to make a measurement of the pre-historic past you need something to measure in the present. In order to believe evolution, you make a mindless extrapolation of no measurement to a VERY arbitrary pre-historic past.
Just stick to your childish insults since science now scares you as something that will demolish evolution. Science has put the theory of evolution on its deathbed now and will soon pull the plug on it for good, so stay away from it unless you want to hear the truth.
Ok, just explain this and maybe get somewhere scientifically. The sun loses 5 feet in diameter of nuclear material a day. Go back a few thousand years and the sun is slightly larger, but not a problem for life. Go back a few hundred thousand years -nevermind a million- and you have a sun so large that it heats the surface of the earth to a much hotter temp. than your oven on its highest setting. Being that every evolutionist thinks it took BILLIONS of years for life to evolve, this one fact alone takes all possibility of life making itself out of the realm of possibility.
Fine, just prove evolution with science and the debate ends there.
The fact that it has never been scientifically tested, observed or proved should be no barrier to believing it, unless of course evolution needs science. Its so silly to ask for some scientific proof of some theory that is supposed to be scientific. We should just take it as an article of faith, I guess, like religion.
BUt doesn't some proof have to be somewhere before its thought to be science?
Yes, I can see the intelligence in believing that everything made itself . . . . . from ROCKS!! Brilliant. Thats been proven when? where? Ah, but you see, asking for scientific proof is just too much to handle for a truly scientific theory. You just need to believe it because someone said it, not that there is ANY proof of it whatsoever. Very scientific! Gregor Mendel would have called you ignorant for believing something to be science with no proof, but he's just silly. And it fits sooo nicely with atheistic belief we shouldn't ask for scientific proof. Any science applied here and the whole theory goes up in smoke.
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Don't cry over a dead theory. It has no feelings, I promise. So, uh, i read talkorigins pretty regular and so far they have done more to convince me of the nonexistence of any proof of evolution than any source anywhere. One of the first things they try to use is to play with the definition. Eventually you come to understand that most of their efforts fall on semantics rather that detectable proof.
It leads you to know that life came from life (Ultimate creator). And it never came from death.
Oh man, how much time do you have? The idiots like Timothy Leary, the mass murderers like Hitler and Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc., ALL believed they were helping the human race to evolve. While the fathers of the natural sciences believed in a creator and had the common sense to know that everything around them did not create itself out of nothing, people who believed in evolution have never accomplished anything through it. Think about it. All of the things that cause mutation are things we are told to avoid - overexposure to sunlight, nuclear radiation, Chernobyl. These are things people FLEE from because they tend to be anti-survival.
QUICK: DNA for organisms residing in a gene pool where part of the population is eliminated. Ceratin traits that exist in some do not exist in others and thus a loss. Same thing happens in natural selection, loss of genetic information or a larger gene pool. Same thing occurs with extinction, of which we are reminded that 90% of all life forms in existence at one time or another are extinct.
That fact alone disagrees with the entire imaginary engine that is supposed to push evolution. Being that loss and entropy are proven through observation and beneficial mutation is so rare it is a wonder that anyone got the idea it could even go up.
You do not have to assume linear shrinkage, it could could be geometric or exponential, but it is doing so at a pretty good clip at this time. To think that somehow it was roughly the same size or close enough BILLIONS of years ago defies all of physical science.
No, I will leave linear assumptions to people who try to use carbon 14 to date ancient artifacts or organic specimens they assume had a nearly identical atmosphere in the prehistoric past. Take one reading and get 5,000 years. Take another of the same specimen and get 68,000,000!
The source I last saw on the sun was the Harvard -Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and High Altitude Observatory in Boulder. There are many sources, but surely you understand the sun (like any other star) does stay the same size, don't you?
All claims to speciation wind up laughable when they start playing with the definition of speciation. They should not do that since everyone worshiping at the altar of the secular humanist religion of evolution need proof, real scientific proof, and not pep rally assertions, semantic tricks.
Since we have been told every excuse under the sun as to WHY evolution cannot be proven, bring forth life! Right now. Do it. You can't, and neither can scientists despite 100 years of trying. How about evolving something into something else. By that, I don't mean something that cannot reproduce with another of its own species, that cuts off genetic variation. I also don't mean something LOSING genetic information. I mean something GAINING a beneficial mutation that puts it into ANOTHER classification that can actually be detected and can reproduce.
Also, speaking of the sun, did you know the sun burns off about 5 feet of nuclear material a day? That means if you step back in time the sun is much larger than it is now. Its a problem for evolutionists who think the earth HAD to be here for BILLIONS of years. You see, when you go back a few thousand years the sun is much larger, but not so big as to cause problems for life. But when you go back hundreds of thousands, much less millions of years, you get a sun so big that the earth's surface would be thousands of degrees hotter than currently. Temperatures that would liquefy iron are not conducive to life.
Playing with nomenclature again. This should not be this hard if it was REALLY science. Life brings death, not the opposite. That is what ID, creationism, or whatever you want to call it states even though it should not have to for people who can detect it every day when a hearse goes by. That is real, tested, observed, proven science, proven every day, while evolution is imaginary.
Since I don't know the difference between that and proof for math, integrate e to the x and then prove that. That goofy creationist Isaac Newton was one wacky non scientist when he invented calculus, right? He didn't know anything about math! Pfffftttttt!!!!!
Go ahead and evolve something in the lab if you can and send out an email about it. Try fruit flys, no one has ever tried that before! Yeah!
Since you think the Bible must be wrong scientifically you should read where it states that organisms reproduce after their kind, and that life brings death, not the opposite. Always has, always will and science has proven just that. No further proof needed. If you really want some kind of proof you need more than beliefs like
1. It is happening so slowly than no one can detect it (no proof)
2. It used to happen, but does not anymore (still no proof)
3. Happens every day, all the time (you've got to be kidding me)
No, an actual scientific theory like AC circuit theory is demonstrated in the lab, not in the imagination. Oh, and don't laugh at the three claims, they have all been used as excuses by evolutionists for the total lack of proof at one time or another. Go ahead and evolve a fruitfly into something else and send out an email when you do. They've been poisoning and radiating fruit flies for decades now and have not even been able to produce a horsefly, much less a horse. Just a bunch of retarded fruit flies, many of them sterile.
- how it is defined!!!
Then they move on to say that hybridization could have something to do with it (thats great being that most hybrids cannot reproduce sexually), then to completely underscore no existing proof they pick the fruit fly!!! Oh yes! My favorite!! One short piece in there they suggest that when fruit flies started eating other sources of fruit besides apples that that might be proof of a different species of fly evolving. Like me eating a mango since I have not done so before, it must mean I am mutating into some other species!!! Yes!It would be more honest if Darwin's defenders would just admit they are emotionally attached to the idea that they will never be judged for their actions here on earth. Because one thing is absolutely scientifically certain - you will never bring forth life from death (evolution) and life absolutely brings death (ID). How many millenia of observation does it take to prove something you see everyday at a funeral parlor?
There are no mechanics in nature operating in evolution. The studies you mention all make assumptions based on a non-scientific idea of how they think it happened. None of them demonstrate anything, like creating life. Your problem is not with religion but science. Anything scientific must have at least one of 3 things. It must be scientifically testable, observable, or provable. Anything real must have one of these, and they usually have all 3. Evolution has none.
Look, I'll believe in evolution too, just create life in the lab (or anywhere) and that ends it. Can't do it? Why not? Surely its a snap.
You as an evolutionist believe in something you cannot prove in the lab, or anywhere else.
Be sure when you create life that you send out an email announcing it. They've been trying it now for over 100 years, 60 seriously. I won't hold my breath.
The twilight of the theory of evolution is at hand due to lack of proof and you are still trying to prop it up even to its last dying breath.
Here is some simple logic for you who think evolution is obvious. Does life bring death? Or does death bring life? That ought to be really obvious to anyone.
The so called "laws" you cite are not laws but have to do with free market economics. I worked as a manager for Footlocker and they, like most mega malls don't open until noon on Sundays because there are usually so few people shopping at that time that it is not cost effective to open at that time. If you are so enslaved to alcohol that you just have to have it getting up in the morning after binging the night before you have a serious problem, so I can see why you don't want any morality interjecting itself into your life.
What you are advocating is nothing more than an anti-religious jihad, dictated by an atheist. That is not freedom in any form. We have that just 90 miles south of here in lovely Cuba. Its so nice they have to keep people there by shooting them for trying to escape. A nice vacation there would do you good, and it would be even better if you immigrated there to really see what it is like when someone like yourself implements what you recommend. That great $1.40 a month salary would sweeten it even further, and kind of leave you short on your drinking money. Be certain you don't ever let your opinion be known in such a place or you will just turn up "missing".
When I saw the topic I knew this screeching hatefulness had nothing to do with you-tube copyrights, just a sinking feeling among atheists that Darwinian evolution has been sucking air for too long and has reached the mandatory scientific sell-by date due to lack of proof.
- They think they know what they are doing because of something they read somewhere that was written by a paid MS apparatchik.
The MS droid (unlike Linux, no one supports MS without being paid to do so) will pompously announce that Linux is no good and will cost MORE in the long run due to these statistics.I have a simple solution that always works in this scenario. Get a printed quote from MS of what it would cost to run 20 blade server licenses using server 2003. You MUST print out a hard copy since it looks like a bill. Then make sure your pointy haired boss reads it, but don't come in saying I told you so! Just come in and tell them something to the effect "I got a quote from Microsoft sent to me the other day for our server farm and what they could guarantee our price at." Then just leave it with them nonchalantly. Don't worry about any of them asking what a blade server is, they won't bother. Server 2003 blade servers cost $60,000 per! When they see what it would really cost them to do this they all of a sudden decide what they have now ain't so bad!!! The bean counters may know little or nothing about computers or networks, but they know what it is costing them now and if they were to take a multimillion dollar bill to the president or board with the explanation that this will save the company money, it might just cost them their jobs. But at a minimum it will make them look really stupid when basic questions are asked like "What is our current setup costing us?"
Proof in science is key to anything that is supposed to be science. Everything real must be scientifically testable, observable, or provable. All real things must have at least 1 of these things to be considered scientific. MOST things have all 3, but to be real it MUST have at least 1! Evolution has none. Not one.
It would be ridiculous to assert that absolute proof has to occur for everything and saying that about the sun for an illustration is absurd. Most things about the sun can be measured with scientific instruments: light, heat, various forms of radiation, etc. The distance can be estimated using simple parallax geometry.
But forget all of that. ALL any scientist, or just someone pretending to be a scientist has to do to PROVE evolution and end the excuse industry surrounding their pitifully un-scientific theory is simply to create life in the lab.
We are told all kinds of fables about how it may have, could have, possibly have, originated: all the elements for life come together and somehow life creates itself, despite the fact that they have no more proof now over 150 years after Darwin than they did in Darwin's day. Despite the fact that all the elements for life are present in a dead body the second it quits breathing.
As easy as that is supposed to happen at random you would think it would be a matter of utter simplicity in the lab, a mere elementary school science project. But no, not only are they not able to do it in the lab they have NEVER seen it in nature in ANY form.
The more desperate atheist/evolutionists become about a complete void of proof of life creating itself, the more relaxed they have let standards for proof become, at least in this area. They are currently grasping at straws so tiny that they are actually claiming that any change whatsoever in a living organism has to be evolution at work. A person getting a suntan would never produce another species a million generations into the future, or a billion or a trillion. The same person if he could travel through time would see another human looking almost exactly like himself only with or without a suntan.
I love the 3 most popular excuses given for why evolution cannot meet scientific proof: 1. Evolution is no longer occuring 2. It happens so slow as to be beyond detection 3. Punctuated equilibrium is responsible for the intermediate fossil gap. The three reasons given for why they can't give you proof are themselves un-provable. This standard of proof could prove a house haunted and no one could disprove it. But this slack will never be given to a crazy person claiming a haunted house or for that matter to anything else in the universe except evolution.
But even that is ok since every day that goes by without creating or evolving life in the lab is one more day of absolute scientific proof against evolution.
Every time a living fossil is discovered somewhere that was thought extinct milllions of years ago is another piece of un-deniable evidence against evolution. The first time a coelacanthe fish was caught in the 1940s ( a fish thought to be extinct over 30 million years ago), it was the first in a long line of species discovered later that did not obey Darwin. The mug rat discovered living in Borneo identical to its latest fossil just recently was thought to be gone at least 50 million years ago. It seems that no species seems to be cooperating with their precious theory ( my precccc-ious!). The clock is ticking on a long dead theory.
Throw Darwin's worthless ring into the fires of Mordor. It never did lead anyone to anything except lies.
Yes, 9x320.
Lets do unregulated experiments on ANY cadaver without anyone's consent either. Any med student given his deceased mother or child to work on without his foreknowledge might be in for a surprise!
But of course they would be sentimental fools and not scientists!!!!
I believe CHINA will be the next Medical Powerhouse because as you know, there they can experiment on live prisoners!!!!!! Of course they are death row prisoners and going to die anyway, so lets not waste this wonderful promising new resource ourselves!!!!! BTW, they sentence 65,000 to death each year, so we will NEVER run out of a resource there!!!
This should start in the US soon! We don't want to get left behind!!
No, I'm afraid we are nowhere near as moral as Star Trek. We can't even get them to refrain from killing a living breathing person coming out of the womb while being born.
Thats right, a being with its own heartbeat, own brainwaves, own respiration. Nope, no sentient being there, declares the infallible SCOTUS!!! And they are never wrong!
America does not economically dominate the world through healthcare. If that were true, other countries would strive to emulate our healthcare system. Maybe you are thinking of pharmaceutical companies? They don't dominate either. If the NIH cured every cancer tomorrow the US would not dominate the world. What on earth makes you think healthcare is a growth industry?
Third place in what? Slaughtering? We're already behind China and North Korea in that area, and wouldn't you just love to move there?
You are not worried about the money here. Since America is the supermarket to the world, to think that somehow they would not sell any technology except to just the country that discovered it shows your ignorance. And California already does ESCR to their hearts content. So you are no worried about the US being third place.
But of course who worries about murder so long as we make MONEY!!! Oh yes, money is much more important than people.
And my own mother has Alzheimer's~
which I can assure you will NOT be cured by slaughtering people, no matter how MANY people have to die for this thing that never quite works, is always just around the corner, etc.
Is it possible that if the proponents of ESCR did not claim that all diseases would be cured, somebody might actually believe them?
When are the "breakthroughs" coming that all these other nations that have no limits in any form going to manifest? If money was what they were concerned about losing to other countries then California should be the richest state in the nation instead of 10s of BILLIONS of dollars in DEBT!!!
I'll tell you when the breakthroughs will come, never. Its like asking an evolutionist for scientific proof that life creates itself.
Don't expect the popular press to ask any real questions about any of this. They KNOW there are no answerable questions by any proponent out there.
I just wish someone would inform Michael J. Fox that this "research" is ongoing by California and many other countries. THEN they need to inform him that they will use him as a test subject for their latest "theory". Wonder how fast he would change his tune on this wonderful "science" under those conditions?
I CANNOT fathom a hundred Dr. Menegele's leaving this country for Thailand! And all that money money money. We have no need of people so long as we have the MONEY! We desperately need more mad scientists telling us their discovery is just around the corner so they can get another grant for their non-productive work.
So lets assume your inability to understand what a google search is and brings back is not an issue.
Do you realize that you have just admitted that although research has been going on since at least 1963 NO discoveries have been made in embryonic stem cell research in 43 years of trying?????
43 years is a long time for non-productive research.
But not to worry, since you also believe in Global Warming you know we only have a few years left anyway.
It makes sense that in order to do so, they require some information about how much money you made and how much money your company made. Even if they didn't collect information from you directly, they would collect data from your employer in pursuit of their official duties.
Ahhhh, then it is fine and dandy that they know just about everything that you would want to keep secret from everyone. ANY of this info you care to give to ME???? How about anyone else???? What if we told you it was in pursuit of our "official" duties?
How about exactly how~when~where~why you spent it? They know that too. You're kinda late to that party by almost 90 years, don't you think?
NOt scared of anything? Man you're pissing in your pants right now because you're secular god is failing you and you don't know what to do. Earth is easily proven to be an oblate spheroid by an amateur astronomer. BUt its funny you mention a flat earth since God told Job about the rotundity of the earth in the book of Job. If he had told the 'wisemen' of his day about it they would have laughed him to scorn, kind of like you, or people who believe like you to this day, saying without proof that everything made itself. You claim you're doing science? What science? A meth lab?
Yeah, A trilobite (an anthropod if you're curious)must be fauna or flora huh? I guess a trilobite is a lower order than a microbe or plant?? And you say **MY** description of the fossil record is out of date? Man I would be sickofthisshit too if I were you since you don't know anything about it. Hurry back to the TV with your Spock ears on because the Captain is in trouble and needs your help!
Yes, reports made by NASA, they're always making stuff up like that. Sorry if you flunked astronomy, but if you don't believe me just ask any astronomer. Also, I really like your comment about a "mindless extrapolation of one measurement of the arbitrary past" The historical past is not arbitrary, although to make a measurement of the pre-historic past you need something to measure in the present. In order to believe evolution, you make a mindless extrapolation of no measurement to a VERY arbitrary pre-historic past. Just stick to your childish insults since science now scares you as something that will demolish evolution. Science has put the theory of evolution on its deathbed now and will soon pull the plug on it for good, so stay away from it unless you want to hear the truth.
Ok, just explain this and maybe get somewhere scientifically. The sun loses 5 feet in diameter of nuclear material a day. Go back a few thousand years and the sun is slightly larger, but not a problem for life. Go back a few hundred thousand years -nevermind a million- and you have a sun so large that it heats the surface of the earth to a much hotter temp. than your oven on its highest setting. Being that every evolutionist thinks it took BILLIONS of years for life to evolve, this one fact alone takes all possibility of life making itself out of the realm of possibility.
Fine, just prove evolution with science and the debate ends there. The fact that it has never been scientifically tested, observed or proved should be no barrier to believing it, unless of course evolution needs science. Its so silly to ask for some scientific proof of some theory that is supposed to be scientific. We should just take it as an article of faith, I guess, like religion. BUt doesn't some proof have to be somewhere before its thought to be science?
Yes, I can see the intelligence in believing that everything made itself . . . . . from ROCKS!! Brilliant. Thats been proven when? where? Ah, but you see, asking for scientific proof is just too much to handle for a truly scientific theory. You just need to believe it because someone said it, not that there is ANY proof of it whatsoever. Very scientific! Gregor Mendel would have called you ignorant for believing something to be science with no proof, but he's just silly. And it fits sooo nicely with atheistic belief we shouldn't ask for scientific proof. Any science applied here and the whole theory goes up in smoke.