â¦every grandmother out there can do that. They all know exactly where it is and how to set the bit.
Don't take personally, robo_mojo. Since the article is about overall web security, it just struck me as funny that the suggestion (a kind often made by the/. readership) is one of those types that the vast majority of the population would find a worthless because it is a technical response.
I've been in computers since 1975 (built my own Altair 8080). Hackers have great ethics. It is the malicious code writers (can't use the word I use for them in polite company) that is my concern. And, yes, I do understand. That is the problem.
Rather than work with these new tools and then issue protections that should be taken (back to my metaphor, handing out vaccines and medical procedures), guys like him hand out disease and who does not care who's hands it fall into.
Again, I do know what I am talking about. People may not agree with me, but that is a different issue. To me, it is criminal to release these great hacking tools for general consumption when they relate to specific attacks.
How is releasing this tool a good thing or even a legal thing? Geez, maybe I'll do some serious study into biological weapons and release them into the atmosphere and water supply to get people to have better protection from idiotic actions like this. Someone should string the guy up with CAT 5e from the nearest 3G tower.
No! Not aimed at you. It was a generalized statement based on my experience with large IT departmentsâ"again, in general. It may not apply to your department.
You see, I've been in meetings where IT staff have blatantly lied to ignorant management. They were playing on the ignorance of the management for a variety of reasons. However, in some cases, it was the ignorance of the IT staff by speaking about things that they really did not know. But, considering their job is to look out for the best interest of their organization and to know their craft, neither reason is good.
So, forgive me if my comment looked targeted at you. It was not.
I can understand uniformity in hardware. But do they really have that buying PC's? Unless your organization has a specific build agreement with their vendor, you can't even get consistency from order to order. And now that Macs use the same primary components that the rest of the world is using, it is likely any different in hardware changes than different orders from the same vendor and certainly no different than say ordering some machines from Dell, some from HP, and some from Lenevo.
Even on the software side, I can't see much of an issue, unless there is a cost issue with having to purchase a separate Windows license. But, since organizations that are as large as your sounds to be usually have site licenses for any box they buy, it would seem that that would not be an issue either.
The only thing I can legitimately see would be that if the machine does not fit inside some budget limit and the machines that are currently being purchased, with the same required features, costs less. Now that would be an issue.
Soâ¦I can't see the hardware/software issues. It would seem that FUD or political bias is a more accurate term if those are being used. But, the price point could be a legitimate one.
If someone were to request a Mac to use with an XP license (either in virtualization or via Bootcamp), would that be approved? If not, why not, since it would be running, when needed, the approved software?
If you are happy with your current systems, then there is little business justification for you to move to Mac or Linux machines. However, don't let the legacy code stop you. Virtualization can be a very, very good solution. And you don't have to move all of your computers, at one time.
As to small businesses being perfect Vista candidates, I disagree. Vista has a lot of potential downside and very little upside over XP. So I will content that they are perfect candidates for making the switch to the Mac or Linux.
First, personal attacks are not needed and detract greatly from the debate. Second, I too, come from a farming family and in my family it is not BS. And, try to look at farming families across the world, they work very, very hard and very, very long hours. That is why so many farming families lost people to working in the cities for regular jobs.
As to your farming families work schedule, I guess that perhaps my family cared more about the success of the crops and keeping the equipment working, rebuilding infrastructure, talking to other farmers about the business, researching the business, trying to find new markets for their crops, experimenting with new crops and techniques to get better results, etc. They don't just plow dirt, throw seeds, pick crops, and wait for the money to come rolling in. (side note that is off topic and not directed to you, faedle: I'm against all of the farming subsidies that the government just passed)
BTWâ¦I work hard and I play hard. My priorities are just fine. And, using Europe where their productivity is dropping in relation to the rest of the world and the governments are back-tracking on the short work weeks and working to pass legislation to get their productivity up makes for a very poor example. You should do a little more research on your copious free time before making statements like that. Take a look at France, for example.
"Blame" an interesting word. You and I both used it, which is okay, since we are most likely not intimately involved in either the management or labor of any of those organizations. However, a problem is that both management and unions often use it when sitting across a table from each other. However, if they indulge in the "blame game" with each other, then it will be akin to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. They need to focus on fixing the problem. If that means scrapping all agreements and moving forward, then so be it.
But, quite frankly, one of the beautiful things about capitalism is that it really doesn't matter if the Big Three succeed or not. If there is a void then some enterprising people will fill it. In fact, take a look around. There are already small companies with interesting ideas and products already beginning to fill holes in the product lines of the big American auto companies. They are fast moving companies run by smart management, unburdened (so far) union contracts, bad decisions, lazy workers (management and line), legacy products and technologies, etc.
Oh, we will hear the gnashing of teeth as the displaced management and line workers lose their jobs. But the smart ones that know that they have to retool themselves, will most likely pick up jobs in other organizationsâ¦perhaps even the upcoming car companies that are filling those niches. I've had to retool several times. I feel no sympathy for the whiners.
The big three management has a lot of the blame for their fortunes. But don't under-estimate the negative influence of the unions. You talk about retooling factories to be more efficient. That is very hard to do with those very same unions requiring that you hire X number of employees to fill those factories. That makes it tough to get the same efficiencies that the foreign auto-makers get since they put in more automation. Yes, they'll pull workers from the same pool of people. But they'll try to hire the best of the lot and many fewer to boot, since they have more automation. So using the foreign automakers factories as an example does nothing but hurt your argument.
A 40 hour work week is a vacation for me. It amazes me at the lack of work-ethic in America. Yes, I am American. And it sickens me to hear people complain about how hard they worked when they actually have to put in the full 40 hours. Try being a farmer working from before sun up to after sundown.
Swifty should slow down a bit. He is quoted as saying, "Apple employees" implying that multiple people are involved. While, in reality, the suit is by a single person that is trying to make the suit a class action one.
Maybe one of you bright guys can tell me why a COBOL programmer is required to change the pay rate for anyone. Are they saying that the pay rates were hard coded into the system? That just doesn't make any sense. Why would any programmer do thatâ"any?
Someone is not telling the truth or California is hiring very, very poor programmers. Sounds like now is the time to bring in an off the shelf solution. It can probably be payed for with firing the rest of the programmers employed by the state. If this is an example of California hiring for coders, then they (and their HR department as well as the management) should be fired anyway.
This is/. Don't expect a reading of the article. Even if, by chance, the article happened to be read, don't expect a rational response. Many here like to practice their technology religion, in spite of facts. Please don't confuse them by trying to act and post rationally yourself.
No problem. In fact, I appreciated the continued civil discussion. Polite persistence can lead to understandingâ¦as it did here, for both of us. Thank you.
Exactlyâ"I caught that. My response was aimed to point out the political bias in stem cell research and what seems to be a growing effort (by the articles that I've been seeing on the internet) to minimize the press of successful adult stem cell research versus the continuing failure of embryonic stem cell research.
I apologize if I was not completely clear in my prior posts.
No one is pulling funding for adult stem cell research. Even if they were doing it in this country (like the resistance to embryonic stem cell research in the USâ""the country"), the rest of the world wouldn't care and would keep right on doing it, just like they do with the unproductive embryonic stem cell research.
Soâ¦by saying "adult stem cells" the only problem is for the "embryonic stem cell" proponents.
Wowâ¦got to love it. Instead of saying "adult stem cells", they say "progenitor cells". Amazing. Despite not one real solution from embryonic stem cell research around the world and a continuous train or real solutions from adult stem cells, so many people want to keep pushing for embryonic research.
Ahâ¦as large an assumption about my motives as the typical global warming enthusiast makes about the reasons for global warming in the first place. If you've take a problem with global warming, take it up with the large ball of burning gas in the center of the solar system and the millennia of historical weather changes of our current planet. Don't bore me with claims of human causation. The studious ignoring of the real culprits is tedious.
Please turn in your geek card. First, there is a huge number of free utilities for OS X itself. Next, try looking through the huge store of UNIX software. Between them, there is a massive store of free software.
Now, as to you inability or unwillingness to compensate someone for writing a piece of code to get a job done different or better, wellâ¦to each their own.
Macs have never had (unless a particular application was specifically written to override the default functionalityâ"usually a Windows port) a maximize window to full screen button. Wellâ¦maybe before OS X, but my memory has holes in it regarding that tidbit. The window is coded to open to fit the content, not take up your whole screen. However, if you have a window that you like to have full screen, the system will usually remember that and return it to the full-screen size when you reopen the application.
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â¦every grandmother out there can do that. They all know exactly where it is and how to set the bit.
Don't take personally, robo_mojo. Since the article is about overall web security, it just struck me as funny that the suggestion (a kind often made by the /. readership) is one of those types that the vast majority of the population would find a worthless because it is a technical response.
I've been in computers since 1975 (built my own Altair 8080). Hackers have great ethics. It is the malicious code writers (can't use the word I use for them in polite company) that is my concern. And, yes, I do understand. That is the problem.
Rather than work with these new tools and then issue protections that should be taken (back to my metaphor, handing out vaccines and medical procedures), guys like him hand out disease and who does not care who's hands it fall into.
Again, I do know what I am talking about. People may not agree with me, but that is a different issue. To me, it is criminal to release these great hacking tools for general consumption when they relate to specific attacks.
How is releasing this tool a good thing or even a legal thing? Geez, maybe I'll do some serious study into biological weapons and release them into the atmosphere and water supply to get people to have better protection from idiotic actions like this. Someone should string the guy up with CAT 5e from the nearest 3G tower.
Good for you and your opinion. It just seems that many millions more tend to disagree with you.
No! Not aimed at you. It was a generalized statement based on my experience with large IT departmentsâ"again, in general. It may not apply to your department.
You see, I've been in meetings where IT staff have blatantly lied to ignorant management. They were playing on the ignorance of the management for a variety of reasons. However, in some cases, it was the ignorance of the IT staff by speaking about things that they really did not know. But, considering their job is to look out for the best interest of their organization and to know their craft, neither reason is good.
So, forgive me if my comment looked targeted at you. It was not.
I can understand uniformity in hardware. But do they really have that buying PC's? Unless your organization has a specific build agreement with their vendor, you can't even get consistency from order to order. And now that Macs use the same primary components that the rest of the world is using, it is likely any different in hardware changes than different orders from the same vendor and certainly no different than say ordering some machines from Dell, some from HP, and some from Lenevo.
Even on the software side, I can't see much of an issue, unless there is a cost issue with having to purchase a separate Windows license. But, since organizations that are as large as your sounds to be usually have site licenses for any box they buy, it would seem that that would not be an issue either.
The only thing I can legitimately see would be that if the machine does not fit inside some budget limit and the machines that are currently being purchased, with the same required features, costs less. Now that would be an issue.
Soâ¦I can't see the hardware/software issues. It would seem that FUD or political bias is a more accurate term if those are being used. But, the price point could be a legitimate one.
If someone were to request a Mac to use with an XP license (either in virtualization or via Bootcamp), would that be approved? If not, why not, since it would be running, when needed, the approved software?
If you are happy with your current systems, then there is little business justification for you to move to Mac or Linux machines. However, don't let the legacy code stop you. Virtualization can be a very, very good solution. And you don't have to move all of your computers, at one time.
As to small businesses being perfect Vista candidates, I disagree. Vista has a lot of potential downside and very little upside over XP. So I will content that they are perfect candidates for making the switch to the Mac or Linux.
First, personal attacks are not needed and detract greatly from the debate. Second, I too, come from a farming family and in my family it is not BS. And, try to look at farming families across the world, they work very, very hard and very, very long hours. That is why so many farming families lost people to working in the cities for regular jobs.
As to your farming families work schedule, I guess that perhaps my family cared more about the success of the crops and keeping the equipment working, rebuilding infrastructure, talking to other farmers about the business, researching the business, trying to find new markets for their crops, experimenting with new crops and techniques to get better results, etc. They don't just plow dirt, throw seeds, pick crops, and wait for the money to come rolling in. (side note that is off topic and not directed to you, faedle: I'm against all of the farming subsidies that the government just passed)
BTWâ¦I work hard and I play hard. My priorities are just fine. And, using Europe where their productivity is dropping in relation to the rest of the world and the governments are back-tracking on the short work weeks and working to pass legislation to get their productivity up makes for a very poor example. You should do a little more research on your copious free time before making statements like that. Take a look at France, for example.
"Blame" an interesting word. You and I both used it, which is okay, since we are most likely not intimately involved in either the management or labor of any of those organizations. However, a problem is that both management and unions often use it when sitting across a table from each other. However, if they indulge in the "blame game" with each other, then it will be akin to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. They need to focus on fixing the problem. If that means scrapping all agreements and moving forward, then so be it.
But, quite frankly, one of the beautiful things about capitalism is that it really doesn't matter if the Big Three succeed or not. If there is a void then some enterprising people will fill it. In fact, take a look around. There are already small companies with interesting ideas and products already beginning to fill holes in the product lines of the big American auto companies. They are fast moving companies run by smart management, unburdened (so far) union contracts, bad decisions, lazy workers (management and line), legacy products and technologies, etc.
Oh, we will hear the gnashing of teeth as the displaced management and line workers lose their jobs. But the smart ones that know that they have to retool themselves, will most likely pick up jobs in other organizationsâ¦perhaps even the upcoming car companies that are filling those niches. I've had to retool several times. I feel no sympathy for the whiners.
The big three management has a lot of the blame for their fortunes. But don't under-estimate the negative influence of the unions. You talk about retooling factories to be more efficient. That is very hard to do with those very same unions requiring that you hire X number of employees to fill those factories. That makes it tough to get the same efficiencies that the foreign auto-makers get since they put in more automation. Yes, they'll pull workers from the same pool of people. But they'll try to hire the best of the lot and many fewer to boot, since they have more automation. So using the foreign automakers factories as an example does nothing but hurt your argument.
A 40 hour work week is a vacation for me. It amazes me at the lack of work-ethic in America. Yes, I am American. And it sickens me to hear people complain about how hard they worked when they actually have to put in the full 40 hours. Try being a farmer working from before sun up to after sundown.
Swifty should slow down a bit. He is quoted as saying, "Apple employees" implying that multiple people are involved. While, in reality, the suit is by a single person that is trying to make the suit a class action one.
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill!
What? You never heard of export/import and reports? One time payments for bonuses/corrections?
Just pay a couple hundred bucks and buy an off the shelf payroll system.
Maybe one of you bright guys can tell me why a COBOL programmer is required to change the pay rate for anyone. Are they saying that the pay rates were hard coded into the system? That just doesn't make any sense. Why would any programmer do thatâ"any?
Someone is not telling the truth or California is hiring very, very poor programmers. Sounds like now is the time to bring in an off the shelf solution. It can probably be payed for with firing the rest of the programmers employed by the state. If this is an example of California hiring for coders, then they (and their HR department as well as the management) should be fired anyway.
This is /. Don't expect a reading of the article. Even if, by chance, the article happened to be read, don't expect a rational response. Many here like to practice their technology religion, in spite of facts. Please don't confuse them by trying to act and post rationally yourself.
No problem. In fact, I appreciated the continued civil discussion. Polite persistence can lead to understandingâ¦as it did here, for both of us. Thank you.
Exactlyâ"I caught that. My response was aimed to point out the political bias in stem cell research and what seems to be a growing effort (by the articles that I've been seeing on the internet) to minimize the press of successful adult stem cell research versus the continuing failure of embryonic stem cell research.
I apologize if I was not completely clear in my prior posts.
No one is pulling funding for adult stem cell research. Even if they were doing it in this country (like the resistance to embryonic stem cell research in the USâ""the country"), the rest of the world wouldn't care and would keep right on doing it, just like they do with the unproductive embryonic stem cell research.
Soâ¦by saying "adult stem cells" the only problem is for the "embryonic stem cell" proponents.
Wowâ¦got to love it. Instead of saying "adult stem cells", they say "progenitor cells". Amazing. Despite not one real solution from embryonic stem cell research around the world and a continuous train or real solutions from adult stem cells, so many people want to keep pushing for embryonic research.
Why not pull for the winning team.
Ahâ¦as large an assumption about my motives as the typical global warming enthusiast makes about the reasons for global warming in the first place. If you've take a problem with global warming, take it up with the large ball of burning gas in the center of the solar system and the millennia of historical weather changes of our current planet. Don't bore me with claims of human causation. The studious ignoring of the real culprits is tedious.
Since global warming is obviously [snicker] going to destroy the world, there will be no one to warn.
Please turn in your geek card. First, there is a huge number of free utilities for OS X itself. Next, try looking through the huge store of UNIX software. Between them, there is a massive store of free software.
Now, as to you inability or unwillingness to compensate someone for writing a piece of code to get a job done different or better, wellâ¦to each their own.
Macs have never had (unless a particular application was specifically written to override the default functionalityâ"usually a Windows port) a maximize window to full screen button. Wellâ¦maybe before OS X, but my memory has holes in it regarding that tidbit. The window is coded to open to fit the content, not take up your whole screen. However, if you have a window that you like to have full screen, the system will usually remember that and return it to the full-screen size when you reopen the application.