Re:They shot themselves in the foot
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GTK was dead fifteen years ago, just no one realised it. When you have a toolkit that programmers are supposed to be using pulled out of another project (GIMP) as an emotional response to the license of another toolkit (Qt) you're already on to a loser. You have to win on the software, and producing a core development toolkit for GUI and desktop developers is spectacularly difficult. New features look cool and you have to keep moving things on but there are a spectacular amount of bugs to fix and that takes full-time manpower. Red Hat weren't going to plough lots of developer money into GTK because it made no money for them for the manpower they would have to put in to get it on a par with Qt and other GUI development software. It's not as if they were selling licenses or anything. You can't be emotional. Either free desktop software is good enough to compete or it isn't.
Qt was miles better fifteen years ago, miles better ten years ago, miles better five years ago and the gap has only widened. You throw in the LGPL license now and you have a situation where there is no reason whatsoever you wouldn't use Qt in a Linux based environment.
It's just a pity it has taken us so long and there has been so much blood letting for us to get to a situation where we probably have a de fact standard GUI development path decided upon by natural selection.
last i looked at mysql you had to shut down the database or dump it to another db and then backup the file. too expensive to do this on a 200Gb database sitting on a SAN
It took a couple months, but I was finally able to adapt my workflow to more-or-less work with the “GNOME Way”
This is most certainly not the way software should work.
Basically, having read to the end of the article, although it doesn't say it explicitly and I thought the article was about Gnome from the summary, it can be summed up in one of Linus's short phrases: "Use KDE".
Sounds like the guy was just frustrated and venting. Lots of us do that sometimes, and this one seems ready made to please the slashdot crowd. But do read the retraction the guy posted.
No, it wasn't venting and no it wasn't there to please the Slashdot crowd. People are at their most truthful when they go off-the-cuff, and this was most definitely off-the-cuff. The hasty attempt at a half-retraction tells you that. He's bang on regarding systemd, however.
Nevertheless, Aaron is pretty critical of Ubuntu Phone, and frankly, he has a point. Ubuntu is not using the common codebase they try and claim and their use of Qt and QML in their phone is pretty amusing. They've wasted large sums of time and money over the years going down many different software avenues over the years, Gnome being one (and worse, doing a great deal to hurt others in the process), only to decide years later that they really needed to create Unity and then they decide that the mast they have nailed their development colours to is not good enough for phone and mobile development.
It's the kind of thing that doesn't make me interested in any form of desktop or GUI open source development and hasn't for years. It's the same old bullshit. Pardon my French but Ubuntu either needs to either produce something worthwhile and useful that will move open source desktop and GUI usage forwards dramatically or they need to run out of Shuttleworth's cash and fuck off.
As for the the speed I agree it looks a bit suspicious but given some of the other issues that have occured with the software I wonder if the speed registered in the logs is the same speed that was shown on the speedometer.
It was, well, parts of the plot, the script, and that weasely little fellow who wore black leather was swinging in the trees with the monkeys.
Errr, yer. Basically anything that George Lucas came up with. I have a feeling that Speilberg was somewhat less than happy with the outcome with Lucas and there will be absolutely no other Indiana Jones films. Ever.
I don't know where people get that idea from. If you read the kernel people are just disabling the driver because the code is so utterly retarded. Samsung haven't done shit about it as is typical for Samsung.
UEFI has nothing to do with Microsoft, even Secure Boot isn't a Microsoft thing and this story doesn't have anything to do with Secure Boot anyway...nice attempt to drag this topic into another M$ Windoze bash-fest though.
Yer, that's why the first key in any EFI system is not Microsoft's and other OS builders are not having to go to Microsoft to get their keys signed. Oh wait........
No - the above poster wrote "don't use passwords". Taken at face value that sounds like recommending not to encrypt your private key with a password - because that would mean "using a password" - thus bad advice.
No, it doesn't. Everyone with half a brain regarding SSH should know what 'not using passwords' with SSH means - and it doesn't mean *not* using a pass 'phrase' for your SSH key. He never said that. I'm afraid your splitting hairs here to have something to say.
No - that is called reading between the lines, adding something that is not there and making an assumption that somebody that doesn't know better will not make - thus it doesn't change that the post above is bad advice.
No. You have totally misunderstood the post, and please don't tie yourself in knots like that. It was very clear what he wrote and you were the one who added in 'I think a password is a very good idea if combined with a key'. It's also not called a 'password' but a 'passphrase'. It is not his fault that you or others don't know what he's talking about.
This makes no sense. Once somebody has root and can write to those binaries you are already fucked and they can change access to anything they like, and then write over it to their hearts content.
Quite right. Binaries are already write protected from users but if you're root you can do anything.
The first thing you learn is that your private SSH keys are sacrosanct. Most developers seems to just go through a howto on how to generate a SSH key and don't think about anything after that. They're probably all using node.js or something.........
This is not an issue of the dollar being worth less gold, but an issue of gold being worth more dollars.
This is the central point the majority don't get. No, that isn't the case. The dollar is worth less than gold because the dollar is being debased. Gold isn't because you have to dig enormous holes in the ground and dig it up.
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GTK was dead fifteen years ago, just no one realised it. When you have a toolkit that programmers are supposed to be using pulled out of another project (GIMP) as an emotional response to the license of another toolkit (Qt) you're already on to a loser. You have to win on the software, and producing a core development toolkit for GUI and desktop developers is spectacularly difficult. New features look cool and you have to keep moving things on but there are a spectacular amount of bugs to fix and that takes full-time manpower. Red Hat weren't going to plough lots of developer money into GTK because it made no money for them for the manpower they would have to put in to get it on a par with Qt and other GUI development software. It's not as if they were selling licenses or anything. You can't be emotional. Either free desktop software is good enough to compete or it isn't.
Qt was miles better fifteen years ago, miles better ten years ago, miles better five years ago and the gap has only widened. You throw in the LGPL license now and you have a situation where there is no reason whatsoever you wouldn't use Qt in a Linux based environment.
It's just a pity it has taken us so long and there has been so much blood letting for us to get to a situation where we probably have a de fact standard GUI development path decided upon by natural selection.
Don't piss off the sys admin.
last i looked at mysql you had to shut down the database or dump it to another db and then backup the file. too expensive to do this on a 200Gb database sitting on a SAN
I cannot fathom where you've picked this up from.
This is most certainly not the way software should work.
Basically, having read to the end of the article, although it doesn't say it explicitly and I thought the article was about Gnome from the summary, it can be summed up in one of Linus's short phrases: "Use KDE".
Sounds like the guy was just frustrated and venting. Lots of us do that sometimes, and this one seems ready made to please the slashdot crowd. But do read the retraction the guy posted.
No, it wasn't venting and no it wasn't there to please the Slashdot crowd. People are at their most truthful when they go off-the-cuff, and this was most definitely off-the-cuff. The hasty attempt at a half-retraction tells you that. He's bang on regarding systemd, however.
Nevertheless, Aaron is pretty critical of Ubuntu Phone, and frankly, he has a point. Ubuntu is not using the common codebase they try and claim and their use of Qt and QML in their phone is pretty amusing. They've wasted large sums of time and money over the years going down many different software avenues over the years, Gnome being one (and worse, doing a great deal to hurt others in the process), only to decide years later that they really needed to create Unity and then they decide that the mast they have nailed their development colours to is not good enough for phone and mobile development.
It's the kind of thing that doesn't make me interested in any form of desktop or GUI open source development and hasn't for years. It's the same old bullshit. Pardon my French but Ubuntu either needs to either produce something worthwhile and useful that will move open source desktop and GUI usage forwards dramatically or they need to run out of Shuttleworth's cash and fuck off.
What data does Broder have?
As for the the speed I agree it looks a bit suspicious but given some of the other issues that have occured with the software I wonder if the speed registered in the logs is the same speed that was shown on the speedometer.
That's a bit desperate to be perfectly honest.
It was, well, parts of the plot, the script, and that weasely little fellow who wore black leather was swinging in the trees with the monkeys.
Errr, yer. Basically anything that George Lucas came up with. I have a feeling that Speilberg was somewhat less than happy with the outcome with Lucas and there will be absolutely no other Indiana Jones films. Ever.
I'm sure that most of the population in the 60s and 70s thought we'd had bases on the moon by 2001. That was twelve years ago.
My guess would be that the DOJ has already thoroughly investigated secure boot
ROTFL.
I don't know where people get that idea from. If you read the kernel people are just disabling the driver because the code is so utterly retarded. Samsung haven't done shit about it as is typical for Samsung.
UEFI has nothing to do with Microsoft, even Secure Boot isn't a Microsoft thing and this story doesn't have anything to do with Secure Boot anyway...nice attempt to drag this topic into another M$ Windoze bash-fest though.
Yer, that's why the first key in any EFI system is not Microsoft's and other OS builders are not having to go to Microsoft to get their keys signed. Oh wait........
Because what you wrote has nothing to do with not using passwords with SSH.
No - the above poster wrote "don't use passwords". Taken at face value that sounds like recommending not to encrypt your private key with a password - because that would mean "using a password" - thus bad advice.
No, it doesn't. Everyone with half a brain regarding SSH should know what 'not using passwords' with SSH means - and it doesn't mean *not* using a pass 'phrase' for your SSH key. He never said that. I'm afraid your splitting hairs here to have something to say.
No - that is called reading between the lines, adding something that is not there and making an assumption that somebody that doesn't know better will not make - thus it doesn't change that the post above is bad advice.
No. You have totally misunderstood the post, and please don't tie yourself in knots like that. It was very clear what he wrote and you were the one who added in 'I think a password is a very good idea if combined with a key'. It's also not called a 'password' but a 'passphrase'. It is not his fault that you or others don't know what he's talking about.
.....and since when does a server ask you for your SSH key phrase?
That would be using a pass phrase, not a password. ;-)
This makes no sense. Once somebody has root and can write to those binaries you are already fucked and they can change access to anything they like, and then write over it to their hearts content.
Quite right. Binaries are already write protected from users but if you're root you can do anything.
That's what SSH key phrases are for.
Sounds like an episode of Family Guy. Didn't South Park tell us that plots are decided by Manatees?
The first thing you learn is that your private SSH keys are sacrosanct. Most developers seems to just go through a howto on how to generate a SSH key and don't think about anything after that. They're probably all using node.js or something.........
This is not an issue of the dollar being worth less gold, but an issue of gold being worth more dollars.
This is the central point the majority don't get. No, that isn't the case. The dollar is worth less than gold because the dollar is being debased. Gold isn't because you have to dig enormous holes in the ground and dig it up.
The CPI is crap. The only barometer for inflation is by measuring what you can purchase with gold.
I do so love the people who insist that there's been some ridiculous amount of inflation when it's patently obvious and provable that there hasn't.
Errrrrrrrr.....whatever. The rest of your post is a shocking ignorance of how a monetary system works, or indeed what supply and demand does to value.
Alas, the bet the made is their company.