Please read the article, the $99 is something Red Hat is paying, not the end user.
Read what he wrote. He isn't talking about installing Red Hat but his own private Linux distro, and that's the real problem that this whole debacle causes.
I've got to admit that the length of time Samba 4 has taken has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Re-implementing all the required services in one package at a cost of many man-years never struck me as the greatest of brainwaves. Yes, there are a huge number of corner cases regarding exact compatibility but Samba 4 could have happened much faster and the drudgery of hard compatibility testing could have happened much, much sooner by reusing existing software.
As it is, Microsoft got Samba doing exactly what they wanted for the last ten plus years - pointless fire and motion, duck and covering - and the project has now become all but completely irrelevant. Samba 4 really needed to come out not long after the release of Windows XP. Those needing a Windows 2000 DC system gave up on waiting for Samba a long time ago. It might be moderately useful for those who have to use Linux systems in some fashion with Windows, although they will have found ways around that long ago, but the window of opportunity for Linux to replace Windows Server in a lot of places continuing the momentum of Samba 3 has been completely lost.
I'm afraid it's not sweetheart. It's the way the world works. What is sad is that scientists try and claim they are somehow 'above' all that and it doesn't happen..................
Think about what happens if a 'cure' for cancer was found.
People don't need to take cancer drugs and pay for them for the rest of their lives, thus keeping the coffers of drug companies inflated......... That's just one off the top of my head. Come on, people are simply not that stupid. Cures do not make money and create recurring income.
Scientists are not always honest when it comes to furthering their careers and getting that lovely new research grant............. Some scientists are even wondering why the public has little faith in what scientists say and the so-called science going on now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00y4yql. It's a little worrying when a geneticist has seemingly little idea of the far reaching future ethical questions posed in his own field.
That's mostly why I never donate to charities touting cancer research. It all goes into one black hole, never to be seen again. There are people who have cancer now who need help and I donate to charities that look after those people. Cynically, why would anyone try and 'cure' cancer when you can keep the gravy train of research papers and expensive drugs going?
No I don't really, but someone on the inside could probably explain better. The problem I see is that the Lumia is supposed to be their flagship phone, and the people who have bought Nokias for the past decade expect to see things like SMS messaging (QWERTY keyboards, saving messages to draft etc.) will be absolutely baffled by this change in direction. As a result, sales guys probably aren't pushing it in a kind of vicious circle. There is obviously something seriously wrong because they aren't even retaining Nokia customers. On top of that it's probably the apps.
The problem Nokia faced is that Symbian was a fading, older platform. It still has fans and users, but that's a market in decline and a sure road to ruin (eventually). Meego was having trouble getting off the ground and wasn't gaining much traction.
In terms of the future of the platform, true in a way, but the real problem is what they have come up with as a solution is even worse than just sticking with Symbian. The new Lumia phones are a 'downgrade' from what Nokia buyers have had before with the E90 or N8. It's supposed to be a flagship phone and they don't have the time to wait and improve it. It needed to be good right off the bat.....and it isn't.
Microsoft offers legal support to all manufacturers, and for Nokia they are offering technical engineering support and cash, which is a pretty good deal compared to what Android is offering.
That's lovely and all, but it's not working because they're not selling. That's death for any company.
1. Continue on their own with Symbian/Meego/Maemo or whatever they develop in house and try to carve out a niche for a 4th (or 5th depending on how you count) OS in an already highly competitive market.
2. Develop for Android and compete with all the other Android manufacturers with no support or partnerships to help in the transition.
3. Develop for Windows Phone and gain a partner in the OS transition who not only will help in support of your hardware but will work independently to improve the ecosystem
So the theory goes for some people, but even as a third-rate Android reseller they would probably be selling a hell of a lot more than the Lumia phones they have done. Microsoft is also not anywhere near proven as any sort of risk-free partner in the mobile sector. They've been trying for years and gained little, if anything other than Android 'licensing' fees.
In terms of applications and the 'ecosystem' Android is by far the better choice. It took Android some time to catch up with the iOS on the application front. I'm not so sure how well a second mobile OS behind that is going to fair.
Option 3 is risky, but not as risky as going at it alone.
They were already on their own with Symbian, and more successful.
Although many here on/. believe Option 3 is doomed to fail, those who use the WP platform see it as a rising star, and obviously Nokia sees the same thing.
Well, it's lovely that you have such faith but consumers simply are not buying it and if and when WP rises high enough Nokia will be bust. It's not turning out to be the least risky option.
As I'm living in the UK I can state that this is definitely not for lack of marketing. Every shopping centre I have seen has several slick looking panels advertising Lumia and it seems to have made zero effect. People just simply do not want them, and that is probably going to be a great puzzle to Nokia and Microsoft.
They had a next generation phone with what Meego was actually starting to turn into. Now they're going to need a stop-gap measure, and the only option is Android.
You're talking about the same type of people who really believe the planes that hit the World Trade Center didn't hit the World Trade Center, or if they hit the World Trade Center they didn't have people on them, or if they had people on them they were controlled by robotic pods. And that this was just to somehow cover the REAL method of destruction which was extensive demolition charges in the buildings that no one ever noticed, because flying a plane into a building somehow wouldn't be enough to destroy it so there needed to be a REAL method of destruction that the planes somehow didn't provide.....
I think you're taking conspiracy theory 'debunking' a little too seriously, and doing it in a rather creep and non-sensical fashion............. While many people have some problems with the way the buildings collapsed I have never heard this stuff.
I do wish goldbugs like you would study real history instead of regurgitated goldbug propaganda which sweeps all the real, historical problems with gold-as-currency under the rug.
You're not convincing me with anything approaching an argument sweetheart. Gold is money, not currency. The value of bits of paper that central banks can print more of always goes to zero. As sure as eggs is eggs. Telling me to study real history without going into any detail isn't telling me anything.
Hint: historically, gold and silver didn't satisfy, which is why major world economies eventually all came to the same conclusion and left "hard" money standards behind.
Tell that to the Zimbabweans. What happened was that bankers simply couldn't resist taking themselves off being linked to gold and silver so they could print and mint more cash whenever they wanted and play gambling games. Those monetary systems never last. The Greeks' didn't. Neither did the Romans'. Neither will ours.
And I bet you're wrong. Tell me, what actual worth does gold have? Outside of it's use as a conductor, not a whole hell of a lot. And if we get to a Mad Max or apocalyptic scenario, what use will gold actually have? Why would you take gold in exchange for food, or bullets?
It's amazing how in the western world we've been totally brainwashed about what money actually is.
In a Mad Max scenario there will have to be money. This money is used as a form of exchange and for pricing the equivalence between otherwise inequivalent goods, otherwise we get inefficient bartering that civilizations naturally get away from. The only two things that have satisfied over many millennia have been gold and silver. In Zimbabwe, which looks like something from Mad Max but worse, they're all digging for gold and using their Zimbabwe dollars to hold gold fragments. It's been this way for thousands of years and it won't change. I do wish people would actually look at history.
The same people supporting the gold standard are quick to tell you how the free market is the best method for setting prices, instead of any other price control, but when it comes to currency, floating it doesn't seem to be enough. What gives?
Because free floating currencies are manipulated by central banks, not free markets, and their value always goes to zero because they cannot resist printing more and more of the stuff. You can't just print gold.
When you child is terminally ill how will a lump of gold fix your problem?
Gold is not a currency. It is money. It's been that way for thousands of years because nothing else has worked. It's amazing how we have completely forgotten that in the western world.
Bill and his foundation and GSK did that whole malaria vaccination thing where they needed to buy the medicine and keep taking it along with the vaccination. Why cure someone when you can dip your hand in the scam that is the WHO?
Leopards do not change their spots and this is not philanthropy, be in no doubt.
Not sure what they are trying to find out here. There was something of an arms race going on in Formula 1 during the past year with such materials and exhaust blown diffusers, the caveat being that you needed heat resistant materials to stop the exhaust gas melting the back of the car. Most specialised heat resistant material these days is a form of carbon fibre reinforced polymer with a coating such as those from Zircotech (extremely specialised and secret in the case of Formula 1 and not for use elsewhere).
I'm not too sure what they're going to find out that isn't already known. The article was a little bit wishy washy.
Nonsense. GObject gives you multi-language bindings for free and if you're just an application developer it only makes your life easier. You can develop GNOME programs in C++, Python, Java or whatever suits your tastes.
Language bindings count for very little when they pull down the general design of the software as the OP has said. Besides, just how many applications are using those bindings? Very few.
I'm not a fan of GNOME and I agree that they are headed in the wrong direction, but the problems are not at all due to GObject or C. Cut the FUD when you criticise GNOME next time.
There is certainly no FUD at all from the OP. I don't think it's a silly thing to wonder why, with so many object oriented languages around and really one of the points of using C++, an object oriented library is tacked on to a demonstrably non-OO language in an inherently object oriented system like a desktop. Presumably that's why they're coming up with Vala these days as well.
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Please read the article, the $99 is something Red Hat is paying, not the end user.
Read what he wrote. He isn't talking about installing Red Hat but his own private Linux distro, and that's the real problem that this whole debacle causes.
I've got to admit that the length of time Samba 4 has taken has left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Re-implementing all the required services in one package at a cost of many man-years never struck me as the greatest of brainwaves. Yes, there are a huge number of corner cases regarding exact compatibility but Samba 4 could have happened much faster and the drudgery of hard compatibility testing could have happened much, much sooner by reusing existing software.
As it is, Microsoft got Samba doing exactly what they wanted for the last ten plus years - pointless fire and motion, duck and covering - and the project has now become all but completely irrelevant. Samba 4 really needed to come out not long after the release of Windows XP. Those needing a Windows 2000 DC system gave up on waiting for Samba a long time ago. It might be moderately useful for those who have to use Linux systems in some fashion with Windows, although they will have found ways around that long ago, but the window of opportunity for Linux to replace Windows Server in a lot of places continuing the momentum of Samba 3 has been completely lost.
That's more naive then Cynical.
I'm afraid it's not sweetheart. It's the way the world works. What is sad is that scientists try and claim they are somehow 'above' all that and it doesn't happen..................
Think about what happens if a 'cure' for cancer was found.
People don't need to take cancer drugs and pay for them for the rest of their lives, thus keeping the coffers of drug companies inflated......... That's just one off the top of my head. Come on, people are simply not that stupid. Cures do not make money and create recurring income.
Scientists are not always honest when it comes to furthering their careers and getting that lovely new research grant............. Some scientists are even wondering why the public has little faith in what scientists say and the so-called science going on now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00y4yql. It's a little worrying when a geneticist has seemingly little idea of the far reaching future ethical questions posed in his own field.
That's mostly why I never donate to charities touting cancer research. It all goes into one black hole, never to be seen again. There are people who have cancer now who need help and I donate to charities that look after those people. Cynically, why would anyone try and 'cure' cancer when you can keep the gravy train of research papers and expensive drugs going?
No I don't really, but someone on the inside could probably explain better. The problem I see is that the Lumia is supposed to be their flagship phone, and the people who have bought Nokias for the past decade expect to see things like SMS messaging (QWERTY keyboards, saving messages to draft etc.) will be absolutely baffled by this change in direction. As a result, sales guys probably aren't pushing it in a kind of vicious circle. There is obviously something seriously wrong because they aren't even retaining Nokia customers. On top of that it's probably the apps.
The problem Nokia faced is that Symbian was a fading, older platform. It still has fans and users, but that's a market in decline and a sure road to ruin (eventually). Meego was having trouble getting off the ground and wasn't gaining much traction.
In terms of the future of the platform, true in a way, but the real problem is what they have come up with as a solution is even worse than just sticking with Symbian. The new Lumia phones are a 'downgrade' from what Nokia buyers have had before with the E90 or N8. It's supposed to be a flagship phone and they don't have the time to wait and improve it. It needed to be good right off the bat.....and it isn't.
Microsoft offers legal support to all manufacturers, and for Nokia they are offering technical engineering support and cash, which is a pretty good deal compared to what Android is offering.
That's lovely and all, but it's not working because they're not selling. That's death for any company.
1. Continue on their own with Symbian/Meego/Maemo or whatever they develop in house and try to carve out a niche for a 4th (or 5th depending on how you count) OS in an already highly competitive market.
2. Develop for Android and compete with all the other Android manufacturers with no support or partnerships to help in the transition.
3. Develop for Windows Phone and gain a partner in the OS transition who not only will help in support of your hardware but will work independently to improve the ecosystem
So the theory goes for some people, but even as a third-rate Android reseller they would probably be selling a hell of a lot more than the Lumia phones they have done. Microsoft is also not anywhere near proven as any sort of risk-free partner in the mobile sector. They've been trying for years and gained little, if anything other than Android 'licensing' fees.
In terms of applications and the 'ecosystem' Android is by far the better choice. It took Android some time to catch up with the iOS on the application front. I'm not so sure how well a second mobile OS behind that is going to fair.
Option 3 is risky, but not as risky as going at it alone.
They were already on their own with Symbian, and more successful.
Although many here on /. believe Option 3 is doomed to fail, those who use the WP platform see it as a rising star, and obviously Nokia sees the same thing.
Well, it's lovely that you have such faith but consumers simply are not buying it and if and when WP rises high enough Nokia will be bust. It's not turning out to be the least risky option.
As I'm living in the UK I can state that this is definitely not for lack of marketing. Every shopping centre I have seen has several slick looking panels advertising Lumia and it seems to have made zero effect. People just simply do not want them, and that is probably going to be a great puzzle to Nokia and Microsoft.
They had a next generation phone with what Meego was actually starting to turn into. Now they're going to need a stop-gap measure, and the only option is Android.
You're talking about the same type of people who really believe the planes that hit the World Trade Center didn't hit the World Trade Center, or if they hit the World Trade Center they didn't have people on them, or if they had people on them they were controlled by robotic pods. And that this was just to somehow cover the REAL method of destruction which was extensive demolition charges in the buildings that no one ever noticed, because flying a plane into a building somehow wouldn't be enough to destroy it so there needed to be a REAL method of destruction that the planes somehow didn't provide.....
I think you're taking conspiracy theory 'debunking' a little too seriously, and doing it in a rather creep and non-sensical fashion............. While many people have some problems with the way the buildings collapsed I have never heard this stuff.
In addition, I find the comparison of central banks to corporations quite amusing.
And the board of a corporation can always issue more stock. What's your point?
What is stock measured in? What's your point here, because it is a non-sensical comparison?
I do wish goldbugs like you would study real history instead of regurgitated goldbug propaganda which sweeps all the real, historical problems with gold-as-currency under the rug.
You're not convincing me with anything approaching an argument sweetheart. Gold is money, not currency. The value of bits of paper that central banks can print more of always goes to zero. As sure as eggs is eggs. Telling me to study real history without going into any detail isn't telling me anything.
Hint: historically, gold and silver didn't satisfy, which is why major world economies eventually all came to the same conclusion and left "hard" money standards behind.
Tell that to the Zimbabweans. What happened was that bankers simply couldn't resist taking themselves off being linked to gold and silver so they could print and mint more cash whenever they wanted and play gambling games. Those monetary systems never last. The Greeks' didn't. Neither did the Romans'. Neither will ours.
And I bet you're wrong. Tell me, what actual worth does gold have? Outside of it's use as a conductor, not a whole hell of a lot. And if we get to a Mad Max or apocalyptic scenario, what use will gold actually have? Why would you take gold in exchange for food, or bullets?
It's amazing how in the western world we've been totally brainwashed about what money actually is. In a Mad Max scenario there will have to be money. This money is used as a form of exchange and for pricing the equivalence between otherwise inequivalent goods, otherwise we get inefficient bartering that civilizations naturally get away from. The only two things that have satisfied over many millennia have been gold and silver. In Zimbabwe, which looks like something from Mad Max but worse, they're all digging for gold and using their Zimbabwe dollars to hold gold fragments. It's been this way for thousands of years and it won't change. I do wish people would actually look at history.
The same people supporting the gold standard are quick to tell you how the free market is the best method for setting prices, instead of any other price control, but when it comes to currency, floating it doesn't seem to be enough. What gives?
Because free floating currencies are manipulated by central banks, not free markets, and their value always goes to zero because they cannot resist printing more and more of the stuff. You can't just print gold.
When you child is terminally ill how will a lump of gold fix your problem?
Gold is not a currency. It is money. It's been that way for thousands of years because nothing else has worked. It's amazing how we have completely forgotten that in the western world.
What kind of business do you think GSK are in? They're not a charity.
You're an ignorant bastard. Please stick to things you know..although after reading your blog I can't imagine what that would be.
Thanks for giving me the biggest laugh all day and for tackling the parent head on and demonstrating your extensive knowledge on the subject at hand.
After reading your blog I think we can all now clearly see see the hand in the cookie jar........... Cheers.
Bill and his foundation and GSK did that whole malaria vaccination thing where they needed to buy the medicine and keep taking it along with the vaccination. Why cure someone when you can dip your hand in the scam that is the WHO?
Leopards do not change their spots and this is not philanthropy, be in no doubt.
It could just be me and that it is late at night here, but why on Earth would you want to keep a database of SSH and FTP passwords, hashed or not?
Not sure what they are trying to find out here. There was something of an arms race going on in Formula 1 during the past year with such materials and exhaust blown diffusers, the caveat being that you needed heat resistant materials to stop the exhaust gas melting the back of the car. Most specialised heat resistant material these days is a form of carbon fibre reinforced polymer with a coating such as those from Zircotech (extremely specialised and secret in the case of Formula 1 and not for use elsewhere).
I'm not too sure what they're going to find out that isn't already known. The article was a little bit wishy washy.
GTK, as done by people who know how to write it, is still superior to Qt, and the end product is much more stable.
ROTFL.
Nope. Postgres still requires that the developer and DBA actually talk to each other every once in a while, whereas Oracle does not.
ROTFL. That has to be some kind of joke.
Let's hope it doesn't "work" like PulseAudio.
Fortunately, it seems not. These people actually seem to know what the fuck they're talking about.
Is that an attempt at recursive humor?
I don't think so because it's confirmed by your good self below:
Presumably why they now have Vala.
Yep, that's why they've tacked on another non-native language.
AKA: Object Orientated?
I believe the point is it's object oriented in the worst possible way.
I certainly don't consider GObject/Gtk to be worse than QT or Apples API's.
Uh, huh.
Nonsense. GObject gives you multi-language bindings for free and if you're just an application developer it only makes your life easier. You can develop GNOME programs in C++, Python, Java or whatever suits your tastes.
Language bindings count for very little when they pull down the general design of the software as the OP has said. Besides, just how many applications are using those bindings? Very few.
I'm not a fan of GNOME and I agree that they are headed in the wrong direction, but the problems are not at all due to GObject or C. Cut the FUD when you criticise GNOME next time.
There is certainly no FUD at all from the OP. I don't think it's a silly thing to wonder why, with so many object oriented languages around and really one of the points of using C++, an object oriented library is tacked on to a demonstrably non-OO language in an inherently object oriented system like a desktop. Presumably that's why they're coming up with Vala these days as well.