Ahhhh, but that isn't AMD's fault. Yes the increase is negligable, but look at the whole picture. AMD can continue to produce the Athlon on the.18 micron process for probably nearly a year while intel has had to move to.13 micron for the pentium 4 process. What I can gather is that this will cause more problems for intel and reduce yields. Aren't CPU makers getting down to the point now where the electron interactions on the pathways are causing problems. Somewhere I remember hearing that
Cost, yields, speeds, reliability, and marketing not being in the driver seat has rocketed AMD past Intel and hopefully will keep it that way
Yah no shit, how many CPU's has Intel produced at this speed. What are the consumers going to have if them send their entire stockpile of chips to the reviewers.
:) I think I may have come off a little too impartial. I have been trying to make sure througout my comments here to show both sides of the story and not be called an AMD zealot. 3DNOW is a great innovation considering the whole time AMD has been innovating around having to pay intel for rights to their products.
3DNow has been around longer than SSE and is more widely recognized. Here is something interesting, I remember the Intel commercials where they said the internet would be faster because of the pIII, I about laughed my balls off upon hearing that.
If anybody can explain to me why I will be eternally happy, because as I see it with my computer experience I don't understand how the processor can make my internet connection faster short of comparing it to a 386 running the internet over a 56K modem with a pIII.
Well I think the most important thing for any consumer to do is read multiple sites, I tend to find that if I attack Tom's articles from a un-biased point of view and simply ignore his crap that he sometimes puts out he gets me the information I need ususally ahead of most of the other sites.
First and foremost we must all take every site at their word and not beleive them always. I read multiple sites and get as much information as I can then make my own decisions based on intelligence rather than what a site told me.
Well let's think about it, did we see Celery based systems in stores right after it's release, I think it was a few months before I saw those in stores.
How about this, Intel limiting their celery chips to the 66 mHz bus. I can't believe that, what a crock. I'm sorry, but I get kinda tired of being told how I should run my CPU by the company I buy it from.
Yes if I remember right the AMD CPU's do have a smaller cache and a lower multiplier, but look at it like this. AMD also has a faster bus speed (admittedly it is DDR based if I remember right), more L1 cache and the L2 cache doesn't mirror the L1 cache like Intel chips do, higher yields on their CPU's, and can actually make market...
Tom may be wrong here, but when I worked inside Intel they were all worried about it also, A couple of the bosses in my department told me that Intel was having some problems with their stock and outstanding shares.... never followed it up but wish I would have bought into the company when it split that August 1997
But you must admit AMD is getting the best of intel simply because intel has streched itself too far and isn't innovating any more. Let's face it all they have been doing any more is shrinking die sizes by going to smaller processes and adding instructions. We need to simplify again and go back to a RISC processor and away from making the chip better by adding instructions to it. SSE is a crock, MMX was good, but mainly a marketing ploy. AMD's 3DNOW technology isn't much better, but at least they don't use that as the reason for raising the price of their CPU's
And how about naming a CPU "Coppermine" when it is still using Aluminum interconnects. The thunderbird and Duron are using copper. As it stands AMD has a greater potention in the future at the least cost. Their Dresden plant,.18 micron process, copper interconnects, and a much better yield on their chips than Intel could ever dream of. Oh yah and they don't have to deal with Rambus.
Here is an article where they actually got the chip running, I didn't read the whole article, you get kinda tired of reading specs and benchmark results after a while
But if I remember correctly Tom's hardware said something about how it truly doesn't offer any real benefit unless you are running your 3D games in 640x480, much above that the GPU (Video Card)limits your framerate. And it has been shown for years that to truly run a business application (word, excel, access, or much anything else) a simple 400 mHz CPU will do you fine.
Cry me a rvier??? I don't think so. Intel is clearly going to market before they truly should be. Like I said above this is a paper release that should not even be out.
and btw this wasn't an LX motherboard, this was just about every motherboard out there. I have only seen one site that ACTUALLY got the chip to work and I think that was because they might have actually gotten the board with the release.
Paper releases seem to be all that Intel can do anymore. All they do with this is apply simple overclocking techniques most of us have been using for years to overclock the celeron and the AMD thunderbird CPU's
From what I have been seeing from Intel I don't see much of a future for them, releasing a chip in slot 1 format when they are obviously trying to go to Flip-Chip socket format. This simply seems like a reason for you to have to go out and buy a new CPU sooner.
With the Rambus fiasco, 64 bit CPU fiasco, this, and the i820/i810 problems I find that Intel needs to sit back and take the marketing department out of the driver seat. AMD has the idea release products that are reliable and available to the general public.
Oh and btw if you want to claim that AMD sucks because of the Ge-Force problems that were occuring that was a driver issue and not a CPU issue. I do however agree that AMD needs to add better sealant to their duron and new Thunderbird chips as Anandtech talks about in their web news sections. Where if you apply a heatsink just a little wrong it will crack the die of the chip. Other than that AMD has intel by the short-hairs and intel isn't capable of doing anything about it right now
I agree completely with the above comments. If this takes off, which it probably wont, it will be great. We need to branch this into the music, motion picture, and any other industry that we can.
What would the RIAA be able to say about that, nothing. ditto for the MPAA
Wow you are almost as bad as a microsoft zealot. Kinda makes me wonder if you also believe that the FBI isn't in the spying business or that Microsoft products are the best out there.
I walked out of there going "Ok movie, WAYtoo short, not enough development, and DAMN those Drej seemed like a combonation of the Protoss and Zerg from Starcraft".
Think about it. Energy beings (protoss PSI properties) along with a hive mind (Overmind from Zerg)
If only for that it would have been unimaginative, I just wished that they would have expanded on the Drej, how he excaped from the cell, why they didn't question his excape from the cell and his piloting the ship "Ok, I can take 30 seconds to understand this weird energy interface of this ship and pilot it. Hell I can already figure out how to send messages with it" I'll give it this at least it looked like they represented the number correctly in binary on that guys screen at the critical moment in the movie.
They needed to expand on the plotline with the Drej, the Titan project, you know like what spurred the project in the first place. I mean unless you knew the Drej were going to attack why would they build that ship anyways? Not to mention how that kid fixed that ship in no time flat, beat the guys to the ship even when they had a head start in what seemed to be a far faster ship, AND how he knew how to make the ship use Drej energy???
I completely agree, but in the same breath there is a correspondence between this and the rise of the stupid american. What I mean is that American children are being spoon fed the world through MTV, Teen magazines, 90210 type shows, and over-protective parents.
American society has become stupid and dependant on someone else doing their work for them. From what I have seen at my college the students can call home if they need money (not all of them mind you, but alot will, and alot of parents will cave in)
This whole problem right now is stemming from our inability to draw ourselves out of our little materialistic world for long enough to care about anybody else. We are living in a society where what you have in your home (hell even your home itself) is more important than making sure you have those things a year down the road. I've seen studies that in recent years even though the economy has been the strongest it has been in decades most people haven't been putting money away for savings. To quote my father "It's the ME generation"
SUV's, Big screen TV's, hot clothes, hot cars are more important to people than making sure they have retirement money. These are going to be the people singing "Oh the world owes me a living" when they get booted from their jobs in thirty years and expect the rest of us to make up for their slacking.
You can rent just about anything now and it makes you look important. Just how important will you be in thirty years when you are a nameless faceless moron with no savings, no house, nothing to save your ass because you didn't save it yourself.
It appears that there are no registry entries in the entire system that deal with napster..... I fired up a registry monitoring program and it found nothing in the registry that napster was accessing out of the ordinary..... Seems like they do everything at their end. this really sucks considering I have a static IP Yhcrana
I had someone log into napster using a banned login on my system and now I am banned also...
I am only banned at this IP address, as I can login to napster at other stations. Kinda interestig that they simply check your login, if you are banned then they ban that IP address also
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Cost, yields, speeds, reliability, and marketing not being in the driver seat has rocketed AMD past Intel and hopefully will keep it that way
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note the irony on Stockpile
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3DNow has been around longer than SSE and is more widely recognized. Here is something interesting, I remember the Intel commercials where they said the internet would be faster because of the pIII, I about laughed my balls off upon hearing that.
If anybody can explain to me why I will be eternally happy, because as I see it with my computer experience I don't understand how the processor can make my internet connection faster short of comparing it to a 386 running the internet over a 56K modem with a pIII.
Yhcrana
First and foremost we must all take every site at their word and not beleive them always. I read multiple sites and get as much information as I can then make my own decisions based on intelligence rather than what a site told me.
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AMD I would hope will continue their stellar product line and I can't wait for the Sledgehammer to do as it's name implies to Intel
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pardon, care to explain??? read the rest of the comments I have made
How about this, Intel limiting their celery chips to the 66 mHz bus. I can't believe that, what a crock. I'm sorry, but I get kinda tired of being told how I should run my CPU by the company I buy it from.
Yes if I remember right the AMD CPU's do have a smaller cache and a lower multiplier, but look at it like this. AMD also has a faster bus speed (admittedly it is DDR based if I remember right), more L1 cache and the L2 cache doesn't mirror the L1 cache like Intel chips do, higher yields on their CPU's, and can actually make market...
Yhcrana
But you must admit AMD is getting the best of intel simply because intel has streched itself too far and isn't innovating any more. Let's face it all they have been doing any more is shrinking die sizes by going to smaller processes and adding instructions. We need to simplify again and go back to a RISC processor and away from making the chip better by adding instructions to it. SSE is a crock, MMX was good, but mainly a marketing ploy. AMD's 3DNOW technology isn't much better, but at least they don't use that as the reason for raising the price of their CPU's
And how about naming a CPU "Coppermine" when it is still using Aluminum interconnects. The thunderbird and Duron are using copper. As it stands AMD has a greater potention in the future at the least cost. Their Dresden plant, .18 micron process, copper interconnects, and a much better yield on their chips than Intel could ever dream of. Oh yah and they don't have to deal with Rambus.
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But if I remember correctly Tom's hardware said something about how it truly doesn't offer any real benefit unless you are running your 3D games in 640x480, much above that the GPU (Video Card)limits your framerate. And it has been shown for years that to truly run a business application (word, excel, access, or much anything else) a simple 400 mHz CPU will do you fine.
Yhcrana
and btw this wasn't an LX motherboard, this was just about every motherboard out there. I have only seen one site that ACTUALLY got the chip to work and I think that was because they might have actually gotten the board with the release.
Yhcrana
From what I have been seeing from Intel I don't see much of a future for them, releasing a chip in slot 1 format when they are obviously trying to go to Flip-Chip socket format. This simply seems like a reason for you to have to go out and buy a new CPU sooner.
With the Rambus fiasco, 64 bit CPU fiasco, this, and the i820/i810 problems I find that Intel needs to sit back and take the marketing department out of the driver seat. AMD has the idea release products that are reliable and available to the general public.
Oh and btw if you want to claim that AMD sucks because of the Ge-Force problems that were occuring that was a driver issue and not a CPU issue. I do however agree that AMD needs to add better sealant to their duron and new Thunderbird chips as Anandtech talks about in their web news sections. Where if you apply a heatsink just a little wrong it will crack the die of the chip. Other than that AMD has intel by the short-hairs and intel isn't capable of doing anything about it right now
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Intersting...
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What would the RIAA be able to say about that, nothing. ditto for the MPAA
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Or do you mean "how much will the oil cartels pay to silence this one"?
Think about it. Energy beings (protoss PSI properties) along with a hive mind (Overmind from Zerg)
If only for that it would have been unimaginative, I just wished that they would have expanded on the Drej, how he excaped from the cell, why they didn't question his excape from the cell and his piloting the ship "Ok, I can take 30 seconds to understand this weird energy interface of this ship and pilot it. Hell I can already figure out how to send messages with it" I'll give it this at least it looked like they represented the number correctly in binary on that guys screen at the critical moment in the movie.
They needed to expand on the plotline with the Drej, the Titan project, you know like what spurred the project in the first place. I mean unless you knew the Drej were going to attack why would they build that ship anyways? Not to mention how that kid fixed that ship in no time flat, beat the guys to the ship even when they had a head start in what seemed to be a far faster ship, AND how he knew how to make the ship use Drej energy???
More plot folks MORE PLOT!!!
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I didn't go see it
American society has become stupid and dependant on someone else doing their work for them. From what I have seen at my college the students can call home if they need money (not all of them mind you, but alot will, and alot of parents will cave in)
This whole problem right now is stemming from our inability to draw ourselves out of our little materialistic world for long enough to care about anybody else. We are living in a society where what you have in your home (hell even your home itself) is more important than making sure you have those things a year down the road. I've seen studies that in recent years even though the economy has been the strongest it has been in decades most people haven't been putting money away for savings. To quote my father "It's the ME generation"
SUV's, Big screen TV's, hot clothes, hot cars are more important to people than making sure they have retirement money. These are going to be the people singing "Oh the world owes me a living" when they get booted from their jobs in thirty years and expect the rest of us to make up for their slacking.
You can rent just about anything now and it makes you look important. Just how important will you be in thirty years when you are a nameless faceless moron with no savings, no house, nothing to save your ass because you didn't save it yourself.
Don't come crying to me because I won't help you.
End rant
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It appears that there are no registry entries in the entire system that deal with napster..... I fired up a registry monitoring program and it found nothing in the registry that napster was accessing out of the ordinary..... Seems like they do everything at their end. this really sucks considering I have a static IP Yhcrana
hrmmmm.... let me check on that
I am only banned at this IP address, as I can login to napster at other stations. Kinda interestig that they simply check your login, if you are banned then they ban that IP address also
Any comments
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AH SH*T... forgot the preview button