actually, I was thinking more along the lines of being forced to take a breath test immediately after using the mouth wash. An unlikely situation, but it's still something to consider.
As Valentin points out, if this law passes in france, then it could quite well become law in all parts of the EU. That is frightening, but might happen.
An interesting evaluation, to say the least. I wonder how Germany would react? Since WWII, West Germany has been strongly opposed to any sort of government action which impinges on the privacy of it's citizens. Shades of recoil from SS actions. I've read that this is slipping somewhat, but remains a strong presence in policy making.
Also to consider, France from time to time displays a strong Germaniphobic tendency.
Installing breath-testers in every car that someone has been stopped for a DUI in...Ok, but what if the car doesnt belong to the person who is driving at the time? By stopped, do you mean convicted? Not every person accused of an offense is gulty.
Murder. By changing the charge, you are changing the definition. Here's an example. This guy (sorry, the newspaper article isnt handy at the moment) hit and killed a person while driving drunk. The DA decided to charge him with 1st degree murder instead of manslaughter, and the jury agreed. OK, point for MADD, et al.
The problem with this is: 1st degree murder means that you were capable of making rational decisions, and thought about the act before hand. If drinking impairs your rational abilities, then this violates part 1, and I find it quite unlikely that the driver thought about killing the person ahead of time. There goes part 2. What we have left is: 1st degree murder now includes willful neglegence that leads to death. This opens up all sorts of possibilities. Im sure you can think of a few.
So you would ban driving after using a mouthwash? Zero tolerance rules might seem like a good idea, until you begin to examine what you are measuring.
How about statistical error? NOTHING in a sample experiment is 100%. Of course, the people enforcing the ruls don't tend to show any knowledge of such things.
It strikes me that a key idea is being missed over and over again. Let us assume 1) a GPL'ed program for which you have source, and 2) a 'patch', which is not GPL'ed.
Is there anything to say that a patch must be compiled into the same object code as the main program, pre-link? If not, then one could distribute a patch as a.o, under a non-GPL compatible license. A second person could then link the object in with a GPL program. Personally, I think it is beyond the scope of the GPL (or any license) to dictate that the object patch is now GPL'ed. It was through no fault of the patch author that it would seem to violate GPL, if the second person were to then distribute the program. The same applies in the opposite direction.
Re:Not the way to go in a datacenter (Score:1) by Incongruity (tcp{AT}mac{DOT}com) on 2 342602 PST (#68) (User Info) So, for limited size operations, four to eight machines, give or take, wouldn't a monitor/keyboard switchbox be the way to go? They 're really not that expensive of an option. There are currently on the market boxes which support all types of keyboard and video connection. Everything from PS/2 and Mac's old ADB to USB
Not to say that all of these things don't measure up, but I've had the displeasure of using a few of them that failed in some manner or other. Sometimes it's a matter of the system not being able to detect a keyboard/mouse at boot-up if the switch box isnt turned to that machine. Sometimes it's a shock sent down the bus that kills the system. And even the cheap ones tend to run in the low 3-digit range for a 2 system box.
I agree that it seems a bit unlikely that export would be prohibited for the given reason. If for no other reason than lack of practical use.
Which begs the question, what happens when someone does export one? Does SONY then proceed to pull the product, and release an incompatable respin? Do they live with the stigma of having been caught generating FUD, with hard (pun, what pun?) evidence. I wish I knew more about the root source. How influential is SONY in the Japanese gov't?
War is utterly pointless Hardly. Was WWII pointless? Can you think of a better way to have gotten old Adolf out of power?
And never you mind Stalin and Churchill pushing pieces of paper around discussing how to split up Europe.
Of course you may argue that it's a matter of choosing the lesser evil. Much better to imprison a populace for their place of origin (or parents, or grandparents, or...) than to imprison...wait a moment!
I think you'll find that all comparisons are made between one side pushed to an extreme, and another fairly at ease by comparison.
Constrain war. Hah! War defines it's own rules. And I dont like Quake. Makes me queasy. C&C I do have a taste for.
Exactly my line of thinking, although I dont find their interest to be obvious. Rather, the fact that they have some non-standard interest is the obvious bit. I suppose in some far off alternate universe, they might fear losing court battles if they dont do this, but the reality is that all they need do is stamp it classified to remove it from the reach of the judicial branch.
So maybe the NSA is trying to engratiate itself with all those firms it is placing limits upon. Is the relationship between business partners closer than that of business and regulator?
- As I see it, we dont need less IRQs, we need more! Sure you can share IRQs, but that means for any interrupt with multiple devices capable of generating it, you have to poll every one. With a single device per interrupt, theres no question of what generated it.
- even if you dump the ISA bus, ive yet to see a motherboard (x86) that provides a way to use more than 4 interrupts for pci slots. One thing I really liked about having an isa modem was that I could assign it an IRQ, and still have the 4 pci expansion slot IRQs to play with. Makes a difference when youve got 5 pci devices already.
- btw, can someone point me to some information on this claim that some X86 systems have more than 16 interrupts? Incidently, dont forget that not all interrupts are hardware interrupts (int 21h anyone?)
I dont know about the dxr2, but the dxr3 is a Sigma Designs Hollywood+. I would guess that they would not be compatible, as Creative provides drivers for the dxr2 that will work with WinNT, but not for the dxr3.
and the fact that I can do 'cd/' means this linux system must contain some bits and pieces of the original pdp-7 unix... apparently you havent learned the look and feel concept. incidently, command.com is not DOS, its just a shell, same as bash is not linux.
What do you think creates rabid NT-haters? NT! It's DOS, VMS, and Windows, all rolled into one! How monolithic and anti-UNIX can you get? err, its not UNIX!? Now, supposedly the internals have a striking similarity to VMS, and it shared a major architect, but early on in both cases. Im not aware of any DOS bits in there. a point?
It doesnt tell you anything? How about all the crap I get in the event viewer app everytime something unexpected happens with my mouse? Doesnt make decent sized partitions? Sure 4 GB (IIRC) is not quite up to everyone's desires, but there's worse out there. BTW, anyone know if you can stripe 4GB NTFS filesystems to create a larger one? Ok, enough of this junk. An anti-anything page can be amusing at times.
To heap the criticism on a bit more, First, the information included would be redundant if the scheme is as he says. Your ethernet address already contains the maker of the device. Second, going a step beyond buying a new NIC, some ethernet interfaces allow their address to be changed dynamically. DECnet does this. It smashes the top 24 bits if I recall correctly, making them 00:00:00
This really is a demo guys and gals. Sure it's useful if you need a web browser in a hurry. Forget about using the web server though. When I tried it, maybe 2 years ago, I didnt find any way to modify the filesystem. Maybe if someone were to make a pc that would allow you to drop to a console, and modify memory....or maybe this is a job for VMware, and od on the memory for the process.
I have a solution. Every day is October 5! Suppose this means there will be some problems getting my pay check, and all those 'holiday season' toy^H^H^Hhardware releases will be a bit tricky...
Im thinking maybe you underestimate the impact of running netscape on a system. I admit that I use it in a non-resource friendly manner, but even so, it sucks up everything you give it. On my system, for instance, it's using ~15MB at the moment, and Ive seen it go as high as 30. At times, it manages to suck up 98% of a k6-2 at 350mhz. Running hundreds, or even dozens of copies of netscape on a server doesn't sound pretty. And hardware doesnt seem to get cheaper at the high end. a $50k server != 50 $1k PCs. I admit that on the administration side, thin clients make things simpler. But you had better have a good admin on hand ALL the time. If netscape needs to be reinstalled on a PC, thats one use out of commision for a bit. If the same needs to be done on your thin client server? how would the average company feel about giving their entire staff a break while some software package gets reinstalled? Sure you can have a backup server, but then it becomes like 50 people all having netscape crash at the same time. well, you get the point.
Even if it took 10 minutes, chances are the person isn't gonna use it right there on the spot. When was the last time someone snapped your picture without asking? Are you sure it was your face, or your body they were interested in? here's one better. they gain a picture to match with your SSN. +1 for the database builders
Looks like Linux Today blew it. A quick (ok, 4 hyperlinks followed) look at the monterey site, there was no mention of Compaq, and of course the Q has promised that Tru64 (nee DU nee OSF/1) will be available for merced.
A couple of thoughts. First, I gotta agree that allowing the more traditional transaction, where the consumer enters in their card number and expiration date is a weak link. All it takes is one transaction, and the potential for an authorized transaction is increased to the level of the old number/date pair. Second, yes I do feel that a reader could advance security, mostly doing things that an average user would consider cumbersome, and in the end not worth the effort. Bidirectional communication would help (multiple layers), but NOTHING is foolproof. If you think it is, you just haven't found the right fool yet. In the end, backwards compatability with existing machines I think will be the biggest whole for this card. Dont lose it in a vegas casino!
Right, cause there's only one way to do something, and that's the right way. And phrack's not it. right? Or maybe you should try reading an issue or two. If you're concerned with only reading serious stuff, try something fairly recent (and dont even think about cult of the dead cow). I dont remember the issues off hand, but there was an article about hardening multiuser linux systems, and then a followup about freeBSD that actually provided kernel (and maybe user space prog?) patches. There are some (a very few?) people who believe that understanding a problem is as important, if not more important, than fixing it....
IMHO, you've got the first part right (about using a GPL compiler with a LGPL lib not making the program GPLed). The second half is jumping out on a limb, or maybe off a cliff. If you dig a hole with a borrowed shovel, and the hole doesnt belong to the owner, then its rather ludicrous to believe that digging it with your own shovel would change this. this is the sort of logic i would expect out of congress...(U.S. reps for those state side challenged)
What can I say, you live in an enlightened country. Perhaps an enlightened continent. This summer I had the pleasure of visiting a string of countries, and was slightly shocked to find that a person could specify on their mailbox that they did not want bulk advertisements. Information disclosure in the US? Well, you can check your own credit information, but you gotta pay. You can refuse to get a state ID, but then you'll find you cant fly on commercial air lines quite frequently. You cant buy cigarettes untill you appear to be 27 in California (you need to be 18). ack, gotta stop this before i realize im really sitting in a cell.
Same thing here in California. I have to wonder what it is they do with them though. Ive misplaced my license something like 3 times, and every time I go back, they take a new print and picture. Once I inquired about the proper action if a person was missing their right thumb. I was told that they were then supposed to use the left, and barring that possibility, work their way through all the fingers. No order was specified.
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actually, I was thinking more along the lines of being forced to take a breath test immediately after using the mouth wash. An unlikely situation, but it's still something to consider.
An interesting evaluation, to say the least. I wonder how Germany would react? Since WWII, West Germany has been strongly opposed to any sort of government action which impinges on the privacy of it's citizens. Shades of recoil from SS actions. I've read that this is slipping somewhat, but remains a strong presence in policy making.
Also to consider, France from time to time displays a strong Germaniphobic tendency.
Installing breath-testers in every car that someone has been stopped for a DUI in...Ok, but what if the car doesnt belong to the person who is driving at the time? By stopped, do you mean convicted? Not every person accused of an offense is gulty.
Murder. By changing the charge, you are changing the definition. Here's an example. This guy (sorry, the newspaper article isnt handy at the moment) hit and killed a person while driving drunk. The DA decided to charge him with 1st degree murder instead of manslaughter, and the jury agreed. OK, point for MADD, et al.
The problem with this is: 1st degree murder means that you were capable of making rational decisions, and thought about the act before hand. If drinking impairs your rational abilities, then this violates part 1, and I find it quite unlikely that the driver thought about killing the person ahead of time. There goes part 2. What we have left is: 1st degree murder now includes willful neglegence that leads to death.
This opens up all sorts of possibilities. Im sure you can think of a few.
So you would ban driving after using a mouthwash?
Zero tolerance rules might seem like a good idea, until you begin to examine what you are measuring.
How about statistical error? NOTHING in a sample experiment is 100%. Of course, the people enforcing the ruls don't tend to show any knowledge of such things.
It strikes me that a key idea is being missed over and over again. Let us assume 1) a GPL'ed program for which you have source, and 2) a 'patch', which is not GPL'ed.
.o, under a non-GPL compatible license. A second person could then link the object in with a GPL program. Personally, I think it is beyond the scope of the GPL (or any license) to dictate that the object patch is now GPL'ed. It was through no fault of the patch author that it would seem to violate GPL, if the second person were to then distribute the program. The same applies in the opposite direction.
Is there anything to say that a patch must be compiled into the same object code as the main program, pre-link? If not, then one could distribute a patch as a
Not to say that all of these things don't measure up, but I've had the displeasure of using a few of them that failed in some manner or other. Sometimes it's a matter of the system not being able to detect a keyboard/mouse at boot-up if the switch box isnt turned to that machine. Sometimes it's a shock sent down the bus that kills the system. And even the cheap ones tend to run in the low 3-digit range for a 2 system box.
I agree that it seems a bit unlikely that export would be prohibited for the given reason. If for no other reason than lack of practical use.
Which begs the question, what happens when someone does export one?
Does SONY then proceed to pull the product, and release an incompatable respin? Do they live with the stigma of having been caught generating FUD, with hard (pun, what pun?) evidence. I wish I knew more about the root source. How influential is SONY in the Japanese gov't?
War is utterly pointless Hardly. Was WWII pointless? Can you think of a better way to have gotten old Adolf out of power?
And never you mind Stalin and Churchill pushing pieces of paper around discussing how to split up Europe.
Of course you may argue that it's a matter of choosing the lesser evil. Much better to imprison a populace for their place of origin (or parents, or grandparents, or...) than to imprison...wait a moment!
I think you'll find that all comparisons are made between one side pushed to an extreme, and another fairly at ease by comparison.
Constrain war. Hah! War defines it's own rules. And I dont like Quake. Makes me queasy. C&C I do have a taste for.
Exactly my line of thinking, although I dont find their interest to be obvious. Rather, the fact that they have some non-standard interest is the obvious bit. I suppose in some far off alternate universe, they might fear losing court battles if they dont do this, but the reality is that all they need do is stamp it classified to remove it from the reach of the judicial branch.
So maybe the NSA is trying to engratiate itself with all those firms it is placing limits upon. Is the relationship between business partners closer than that of business and regulator?
3 comments:
- As I see it, we dont need less IRQs, we need more! Sure you can share IRQs, but that means for any interrupt with multiple devices capable of generating it, you have to poll every one. With a single device per interrupt, theres no question of what generated it.
- even if you dump the ISA bus, ive yet to see a motherboard (x86) that provides a way to use more than 4 interrupts for pci slots. One thing I really liked about having an isa modem was that I could assign it an IRQ, and still have the 4 pci expansion slot IRQs to play with. Makes a difference when youve got 5 pci devices already.
- btw, can someone point me to some information on this claim that some X86 systems have more than 16 interrupts? Incidently, dont forget that not all interrupts are hardware interrupts (int 21h anyone?)
I dont know about the dxr2, but the dxr3 is a Sigma Designs Hollywood+. I would guess that they would not be compatible, as Creative provides drivers for the dxr2 that will work with WinNT, but not for the dxr3.
Mmmm, c:\ ..... Yea no dos in there at all :)
/' means this linux system must contain some bits and pieces of the original pdp-7 unix...
and the fact that I can do 'cd
apparently you havent learned the look and feel concept.
incidently, command.com is not DOS, its just a shell, same as bash is not linux.
What do you think creates rabid NT-haters? NT! It's DOS, VMS, and Windows, all rolled into one! How monolithic and anti-UNIX can you get?
err, its not UNIX!? Now, supposedly the internals have a striking similarity to VMS, and it shared a major architect, but early on in both cases. Im not aware of any DOS bits in there. a point?
It doesnt tell you anything? How about all the crap I get in the event viewer app everytime something unexpected happens with my mouse? Doesnt make decent sized partitions? Sure 4 GB (IIRC) is not quite up to everyone's desires, but there's worse out there. BTW, anyone know if you can stripe 4GB NTFS filesystems to create a larger one? Ok, enough of this junk.
An anti-anything page can be amusing at times.
To heap the criticism on a bit more, First, the information included would be redundant if the scheme is as he says. Your ethernet address already contains the maker of the device. Second, going a step beyond buying a new NIC, some ethernet interfaces allow their address to be changed dynamically. DECnet does this. It smashes the top 24 bits if I recall correctly, making them 00:00:00
This really is a demo guys and gals. Sure it's useful if you need a web browser in a hurry. Forget about using the web server though. When I tried it, maybe 2 years ago, I didnt find any way to modify the filesystem. Maybe if someone were to make a pc that would allow you to drop to a console, and modify memory....or maybe this is a job for VMware, and od on the memory for the process.
I have a solution. Every day is October 5! Suppose this means there will be some problems getting my pay check, and all those 'holiday season' toy^H^H^Hhardware releases will be a bit tricky...
Im thinking maybe you underestimate the impact of running netscape on a system. I admit that I use it in a non-resource friendly manner, but even so, it sucks up everything you give it. On my system, for instance, it's using ~15MB at the moment, and Ive seen it go as high as 30. At times, it manages to suck up 98% of a k6-2 at 350mhz. Running hundreds, or even dozens of copies of netscape on a server doesn't sound pretty. And hardware doesnt seem to get cheaper at the high end. a $50k server != 50 $1k PCs. I admit that on the administration side, thin clients make things simpler. But you had better have a good admin on hand ALL the time. If netscape needs to be reinstalled on a PC, thats one use out of commision for a bit. If the same needs to be done on your thin client server? how would the average company feel about giving their entire staff a break while some software package gets reinstalled? Sure you can have a backup server, but then it becomes like 50 people all having netscape crash at the same time. well, you get the point.
Even if it took 10 minutes, chances are the person isn't gonna use it right there on the spot. When was the last time someone snapped your picture without asking? Are you sure it was your face, or your body they were interested in? here's one better. they gain a picture to match with your SSN. +1 for the database builders
Looks like Linux Today blew it. A quick (ok, 4 hyperlinks followed) look at the monterey site, there was no mention of Compaq, and of course the Q has promised that Tru64 (nee DU nee OSF/1) will be available for merced.
A couple of thoughts. First, I gotta agree that allowing the more traditional transaction, where the consumer enters in their card number and expiration date is a weak link. All it takes is one transaction, and the potential for an authorized transaction is increased to the level of the old number/date pair. Second, yes I do feel that a reader could advance security, mostly doing things that an average user would consider cumbersome, and in the end not worth the effort. Bidirectional communication would help (multiple layers), but NOTHING is foolproof. If you think it is, you just haven't found the right fool yet. In the end, backwards compatability with existing machines I think will be the biggest whole for this card. Dont lose it in a vegas casino!
Right, cause there's only one way to do something, and that's the right way. And phrack's not it. right? Or maybe you should try reading an issue or two. If you're concerned with only reading serious stuff, try something fairly recent (and dont even think about cult of the dead cow). I dont remember the issues off hand, but there was an article about hardening multiuser linux systems, and then a followup about freeBSD that actually provided kernel (and maybe user space prog?) patches. There are some (a very few?) people who believe that understanding a problem is as important, if not more important, than fixing it....
IMHO, you've got the first part right (about using a GPL compiler with a LGPL lib not making the program GPLed). The second half is jumping out on a limb, or maybe off a cliff. If you dig a hole with a borrowed shovel, and the hole doesnt belong to the owner, then its rather ludicrous to believe that digging it with your own shovel would change this. this is the sort of logic i would expect out of congress...(U.S. reps for those state side challenged)
What can I say, you live in an enlightened country. Perhaps an enlightened continent. This summer I had the pleasure of visiting a string of countries, and was slightly shocked to find that a person could specify on their mailbox that they did not want bulk advertisements. Information disclosure in the US? Well, you can check your own credit information, but you gotta pay. You can refuse to get a state ID, but then you'll find you cant fly on commercial air lines quite frequently. You cant buy cigarettes untill you appear to be 27 in California (you need to be 18). ack, gotta stop this before i realize im really sitting in a cell.
Same thing here in California. I have to wonder what it is they do with them though. Ive misplaced my license something like 3 times, and every time I go back, they take a new print and picture. Once I inquired about the proper action if a person was missing their right thumb. I was told that they were then supposed to use the left, and barring that possibility, work their way through all the fingers. No order was specified.