True. As a kid, I often got bored in school and didn't bother to make an effort doing school work, because I just knew I could do it. This still affects me today, as I'm trying to force myself to "work hard AND long" and expand my attention span, while the other kids from school already learned that because they were forced to.
Massive DDoS attacks performed by zombies = Major corporations succumb to the whim of a disgruntled customer who rented a botnet for a few weeks. Massive amounts of spammails sent out by zombies = Major corporations spend money in the range of billions $ for filtering services.
While I'm the first one to wanna stick it to the Big Man, I can't overlook the importance of stopping these kinds of attacks, and while it's a very fascist move to force everyone to have a "drivers license" for using the internet, I think we've been playing down the importance of IT security (As you said, down to the point of it being just an "annoyance" rather than a serious matter of concern!) too much lately.
Stupid users is not only *annoying* but also extremely costly to everyone in the end - and not only to corporations who are the one getting hit hardest in the big picture of it all, but also the individual computer-illiterate moron who's willing to give up his SSN, name, address, entire familys passwords and CCN just to see what's inside that email attachment.
Adding more dialog boxes is NOT a solution to having stupid users. If a website prompts them to "click YES" to all dialog boxes, then that is what the users will do - No matter how many dialog boxes you put in their way of their willingness to get infected with the latest brand of malware.
Recently, I even learned that my own girlfriend fell victim to phising emails/im messages. Can you believe that? I wouldn't say that she's an idiot or a computer illiterate, but even she fell victim to the dumbest trick in the book.
A less intrusive and easily enforced way of forceful education on the matter of "basic internet security" is to just make it a mandatory thing in the schools. Make them score at least 90/100 on a test where they have to differentiate between a malicious and a legit email/website/whatever.
No matter what we do, we should *NEVER* downplay individual IT security of users to just being an "annoyance". Having your personal information like SSN, CCN, name, address, and whatever else is gatherable from your personal computer, I could completely destroy your entire being and ruin the fuck out of you.
That's an entirely different issue. For one, it could be cool to have internet-police policing Baresso and Starbucks, doing raids in them and asking people if they have a license.
This, of course, is very enerving, but millions of lusers on the internet who click "yes" to everything is as annoying as having retards on the highways without a drivers license.
You're right, why do we even educate people in driving a car? What's all that crap about "drivers license"? It's not like people can do any real *harm* if they don't know how to operate a motorized vehicle. Right?
No, really. In my opinion, instead of working around the problem that is stupid users, we should educate them and require an "internet license" for anybody who wants to connect to the internet, and fine people who get infected with software that does any harm, direct or otherwise, to anybody else.
Sounds like the perfect geek plot for a Half-Life style game, only with servers and geeks.
Your name is Theo de Raadt. The year is 2048 and you've been set on a mission to check out what's wrong with that server in Remote Data Mining Facility #2345. Once you're lowered into the bowels of the datacenter, all you have on you is a hazmat suit, a 1U rack server and a crowbar. You notice that the container you're supposed to service is open, and a feint glow is emitting from it...
Oh, I don't know. Maybe because I hate being a couch potato? Because every second I spend at home instead of at the workplace that I love being at is a second of my life wasted being unproductive? Or to be more specific: My place of work has cooler stuff to toy around with than I have at home.
Some companies actually know how to boost their workforces morale, instead of just taking expensive seminars on the topic.
I'm a unix admin at a company with about 50/50 Windows/BSD servers. I just had a discussion today with one of our Windows admins about FreeBSD and "usability", after I told him about how to restart a service and when to look in/etc/rc.d and/usr/local/etc/rc.d. He couldn't understand why we didn't make it "easy" for people to administer FreeBSD boxes, why there wasn't a gui for this stuff, and why you couldn't just write "service apache restart", like you can do on some Linux distributions. After a long, heated discussion I told him "It's so that stupid people don't try to administer our boxes. We don't want stupid users". Not the best answer, but he rejected the explanation that administrating a FreeBSD box is much easier than a windows one, exactly because you're _never_ just guessing what you have to do to get a job done.
I'm not sure, man. I sit in office with some pretty smart dudes - They're pretty hardcore - and really, they laugh at the MiB's that you claim they accept, because it sounds like candy.
As a matter of fact, Symantec Corporate Antivirus is quite good - as opposed to Norton. I do realize the irony of this, as Symantec develops Norton, but it's true.
FreeBSD is more usable* than any distribution of Linux I've ever tried. Of course, the preinstalled graphical desktop managers excluded - But PC-BSD and DesktopBSD account for that fairly well, I think.
Maybe I just think so because FreeBSD is a single monolithic OS which is documented fairly well in it's entirety - While each distribution of Linux is documented by the fanbase and developers of that flavor independently. Or maybe I'm just "used" to FreeBSD. Or maybe I just think so because FreeBSD is the only OS other than Windows I've ever used for more than six months at a time.
your own (nonexistent?) views Typical flame from someone who doesn't have a clue.
Wikipedia:
Nihilism (From the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that the world, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following: there is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator, a "true morality" is unknown, and secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has no truth, and no action is known to be preferable to any other. Atheists like Richard Dawkins believe that there is One Truth, and I despise that just as I despise religion, and the belief in a higher being.
I'm a Nihilist, yet I accept that people have other views and takes on the world than mine.
There are dumb people everywhere - Also the ones who are atheist. I don't agree with them all. One of them even wrote a book. Now he, is a prime example of atheists being as dumb as religious people. Just because he has exclaimed himself to be the cult leader of all that is atheistic, doesn't mean other people are.
Nope, sorry. Christianity (Any form of it), islam and judaism all swear that there is One True Book and that Every Answer Is Within This Book. While there, naturally, are people with more common sense than to surrender their entire life and thought process to a great fiction book, the tendency is clear all the way through.
This just proves that religion is perverted and anti-progressive. If we didn't have religion to occupy and dim peoples minds, there would be SO many more bright heads out there who would turn into scientists instead of working towards a goal of non-development and ideological inbreed.
Am I really the only one having a fantasy about living in a cold (Not humid) and dark server room with only a 14" screen, an old Keytronic Cherry keyboard, unlimited supplies of coca-cola, insane bandwidth and hundreds of servers at my rootly disposal through ssh?
You cant even imagine the kind of things I've seen people do to the web.
People get to the start page by opening their browser (usually MSN, sometimes Google) and just type "www.somedomain.com" into the search field. Most of them even click the search field before they do. Also, note the www. It's always there - Because the web doesn't work without the www part. Once the search engine responds with results, they click the first result, which is usually the right one. Imagine what a google bomb could have done to these people?
Less common: Same as above, but they also type the "http://" part to the beginning. *sigh*
Real life, sometimes, is very scary. I do not want to support users. I don't even want to know of their existence. Just put me in a cold, dark server room.
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True. As a kid, I often got bored in school and didn't bother to make an effort doing school work, because I just knew I could do it.
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This still affects me today, as I'm trying to force myself to "work hard AND long" and expand my attention span, while the other kids from school already learned that because they were forced to.
My teachers hated me
No.
You need to update firefox and remove old extensions.
Massive DDoS attacks performed by zombies = Major corporations succumb to the whim of a disgruntled customer who rented a botnet for a few weeks.
Massive amounts of spammails sent out by zombies = Major corporations spend money in the range of billions $ for filtering services.
While I'm the first one to wanna stick it to the Big Man, I can't overlook the importance of stopping these kinds of attacks, and while it's a very fascist move to force everyone to have a "drivers license" for using the internet, I think we've been playing down the importance of IT security (As you said, down to the point of it being just an "annoyance" rather than a serious matter of concern!) too much lately.
Stupid users is not only *annoying* but also extremely costly to everyone in the end - and not only to corporations who are the one getting hit hardest in the big picture of it all, but also the individual computer-illiterate moron who's willing to give up his SSN, name, address, entire familys passwords and CCN just to see what's inside that email attachment.
Adding more dialog boxes is NOT a solution to having stupid users. If a website prompts them to "click YES" to all dialog boxes, then that is what the users will do - No matter how many dialog boxes you put in their way of their willingness to get infected with the latest brand of malware.
Recently, I even learned that my own girlfriend fell victim to phising emails/im messages. Can you believe that? I wouldn't say that she's an idiot or a computer illiterate, but even she fell victim to the dumbest trick in the book.
A less intrusive and easily enforced way of forceful education on the matter of "basic internet security" is to just make it a mandatory thing in the schools. Make them score at least 90/100 on a test where they have to differentiate between a malicious and a legit email/website/whatever.
No matter what we do, we should *NEVER* downplay individual IT security of users to just being an "annoyance". Having your personal information like SSN, CCN, name, address, and whatever else is gatherable from your personal computer, I could completely destroy your entire being and ruin the fuck out of you.
That's an entirely different issue. For one, it could be cool to have internet-police policing Baresso and Starbucks, doing raids in them and asking people if they have a license.
This, of course, is very enerving, but millions of lusers on the internet who click "yes" to everything is as annoying as having retards on the highways without a drivers license.
You're right, why do we even educate people in driving a car? What's all that crap about "drivers license"? It's not like people can do any real *harm* if they don't know how to operate a motorized vehicle. Right?
No, really. In my opinion, instead of working around the problem that is stupid users, we should educate them and require an "internet license" for anybody who wants to connect to the internet, and fine people who get infected with software that does any harm, direct or otherwise, to anybody else.
Sounds like the perfect geek plot for a Half-Life style game, only with servers and geeks.
Your name is Theo de Raadt. The year is 2048 and you've been set on a mission to check out what's wrong with that server in Remote Data Mining Facility #2345. Once you're lowered into the bowels of the datacenter, all you have on you is a hazmat suit, a 1U rack server and a crowbar. You notice that the container you're supposed to service is open, and a feint glow is emitting from it...
Oh, I don't know. Maybe because I hate being a couch potato? Because every second I spend at home instead of at the workplace that I love being at is a second of my life wasted being unproductive? Or to be more specific: My place of work has cooler stuff to toy around with than I have at home.
Some companies actually know how to boost their workforces morale, instead of just taking expensive seminars on the topic.
What the fuck does Nihilism have to do with your decadent view of the world? GFY.
Your's, however, might not catch much air at all.
I'm a unix admin at a company with about 50/50 Windows/BSD servers. I just had a discussion today with one of our Windows admins about FreeBSD and "usability", after I told him about how to restart a service and when to look in /etc/rc.d and /usr/local/etc/rc.d.
He couldn't understand why we didn't make it "easy" for people to administer FreeBSD boxes, why there wasn't a gui for this stuff, and why you couldn't just write "service apache restart", like you can do on some Linux distributions.
After a long, heated discussion I told him "It's so that stupid people don't try to administer our boxes. We don't want stupid users". Not the best answer, but he rejected the explanation that administrating a FreeBSD box is much easier than a windows one, exactly because you're _never_ just guessing what you have to do to get a job done.
I'm not sure, man. I sit in office with some pretty smart dudes - They're pretty hardcore - and really, they laugh at the MiB's that you claim they accept, because it sounds like candy.
Any moron should know that kB = 1024B, 1kb=1000b
No, dude, ATI support for Linux sucks pretty hard.
As a matter of fact, Symantec Corporate Antivirus is quite good - as opposed to Norton.
I do realize the irony of this, as Symantec develops Norton, but it's true.
WC = Water Closet, for those who don't know english.
FreeBSD is more usable* than any distribution of Linux I've ever tried. Of course, the preinstalled graphical desktop managers excluded - But PC-BSD and DesktopBSD account for that fairly well, I think.
Maybe I just think so because FreeBSD is a single monolithic OS which is documented fairly well in it's entirety - While each distribution of Linux is documented by the fanbase and developers of that flavor independently. Or maybe I'm just "used" to FreeBSD. Or maybe I just think so because FreeBSD is the only OS other than Windows I've ever used for more than six months at a time.
*easy to use and configure...
Nope. From up here, it looks like Rock is a completely different universe. We appreciate completely different things in music.
For more information, compare Behemoth to Tool. I listen to both, so I should know there is a little difference between those two.
Wikipedia: Nihilism (From the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that the world, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following: there is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator, a "true morality" is unknown, and secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has no truth, and no action is known to be preferable to any other. Atheists like Richard Dawkins believe that there is One Truth, and I despise that just as I despise religion, and the belief in a higher being.
I'm a Nihilist, yet I accept that people have other views and takes on the world than mine.
There are dumb people everywhere - Also the ones who are atheist. I don't agree with them all. One of them even wrote a book. Now he, is a prime example of atheists being as dumb as religious people. Just because he has exclaimed himself to be the cult leader of all that is atheistic, doesn't mean other people are.
Nope, sorry. Christianity (Any form of it), islam and judaism all swear that there is One True Book and that Every Answer Is Within This Book. While there, naturally, are people with more common sense than to surrender their entire life and thought process to a great fiction book, the tendency is clear all the way through.
Religion breeds fundamentalism breeds stupidity stops progress.
This just proves that religion is perverted and anti-progressive. If we didn't have religion to occupy and dim peoples minds, there would be SO many more bright heads out there who would turn into scientists instead of working towards a goal of non-development and ideological inbreed.
Nothing a screen session couldn't handle...
I've only experienced that three our four times, of all the websites I've visited in my life.
Am I really the only one having a fantasy about living in a cold (Not humid) and dark server room with only a 14" screen, an old Keytronic Cherry keyboard, unlimited supplies of coca-cola, insane bandwidth and hundreds of servers at my rootly disposal through ssh?
You cant even imagine the kind of things I've seen people do to the web.
People get to the start page by opening their browser (usually MSN, sometimes Google) and just type "www.somedomain.com" into the search field. Most of them even click the search field before they do. Also, note the www. It's always there - Because the web doesn't work without the www part. Once the search engine responds with results, they click the first result, which is usually the right one. Imagine what a google bomb could have done to these people?
Less common:
Same as above, but they also type the "http://" part to the beginning. *sigh*
Real life, sometimes, is very scary. I do not want to support users. I don't even want to know of their existence. Just put me in a cold, dark server room.
It's just a fad, I think.