In which case YOU are responsible for the damage sustained by OmniCorp. I don't see any problem... Actually I see one: the typical tendence of the government to overregulate anything and everything, which will provide 1. no benefit 2. higher costs 3. less freedom 4. more votes by those who think of the chiiiiildren.
I think the duo will rather say something along the lines of "too bad" and spend the rest of their lives perusing the humungous amount of money they have.
Then again, I don't understand why they're not doing it yet.
The "half a day of WTFs" was the one on our side, you idiot. I don't kid myself that American content is utterly useless (heck I'm on/.) just like you shouldn't kid yourself that the world outside of the USA is worthless. Of course if I have to base my judgement on the American tourists I meet here...
do you have any idea how much the world trades with the US?
Yes, that's exactly the reason why you don't want this happening.
the world without America is a pipe dream
I thought so but it looks like you're trying to do everything in order to further alienate the world away from you. Anyway I never implied I don't want America. I know you need to feel hated so as to find a reason for existance (otherwise, what's left?), but really I don't hate you. I actually hope I will be able to visit your country when the depression strikes and the dollar is worth shit, and make fun of your disgrace. I also think I will make fun of the incredibly obese people you seem to have down there. Not to mention the way you speak. Bye bye and have fun in your cubicle while you can enjoy it.
Judjing from the knee-jerk reactions all rednecks around here seem to have everytime the issue is raised, I'm afraid "the US threatening to invade anyone who makes a root" is a very possible scenario.
BTW I am an arrogant individual, not all Europeans are like me. Looks like an "ignornant" American, instead, fully embodies the spirit of the USA.
Mmh yeah, so let's compare.
1. Capitalism should work like this and that...
Result: some monopolies, some corruption, some exploiting (well I don't agree with these but that's what most people would complain about)
2. Communism should work like this and that...
Result: millions of people killed in the name of the Greater Good, deported to Siberia, tortured, restricted in every single conceivable way, deprived of any and all freedom; mass murderings while invading Tibet, Great F/W of China; preventing people (and not by kindly asking them not to) from crossing their city and getting to the other side because everybody knows they wouldn't come back (do you get this or is it a bit too European for you?). I could go on but I don't see the need to kill so I'll stop here.
Yeah you're right, it's just a small discrepancy between theory and practice.
I don't understand how you could misinterpret my post, but you managed to do it. I repeat: you (you AMERICANS, is that clear now? good) are not in any position to negotiate because you have no negotiating power. Want to "unplug the internet", as you seem to imply you can do? Please do. After about half a day of WTF?!s our root servers will be humming nicely and you can bet we won't be sad because of our tragic loss.
The real problems come later, when half of the world begins using our so-called root servers, while half of the world uses yours... now there are no real "root" servers anymore, are there? This is what is going to happen unless you cooperate. And this is the content of the post you managed to misunderstand.
fuck up your access whenever they want is exactly what would happen if, someday, you chose to point lots of interesting domains like "americanssuckcock.com" and "howihateamericanidiots.net" to the homepage of "theusaloveyou-serious.com".
Also, I hate to break the news to you but there simply is no rethoric. Most Europeans really don't give a damn about this stuff and the media don't cover this issue. I now you'd like to think we're all scared by your mighty bombs^H^H^H^H^Hroot servers, but we simply don't care. We're building our root servers and I don't see how you're gong to stop us. HINT: nuking us would blow some servers but likely only a part of them.
I think you're a bit overzealous in your forecasts of death & mayhem! Come on, it wouldn't be the first time someone is cut off from the web and, believe or not, the world keeps spinning and people don't usually die when they can't read/. As you say, fail-over would take place very quickly and most users wouldn't even notice anything strange. Someone would find a bunch of sites are suddenly inaccessible and e-mail is not functioning well. Just another of those days when the network has hiccups...
The discussion about the control of the root DNS servers comes up now and again on/. but this is the first time a post addresses the problem with a feasible and logical solution.
The only problem would be with non-national TLDs. Well, let's solve the other problems first and then we can take care of this, too. Maybe it's about time we got rid of these non-sensical domains, anyway.
Yeah... It just so happens that the supposedly independent org that controls them is owned by the US and is subject to American laws, and as such might be asked/forced to do things that a really independent org wouldn't.
The situation is more complicated than that. You can't have conflicting IP addresses without having completely separate networks, which is impractical (everyone will want to be able to connect to sites under the American Hegemony), and you don't want to have conflicting DNS records either. Indeed the rest of the world can set up their own DNS servers for a new TLD (say '.earth'), but they can't force anyone to contact the root server for that domain. The result will be chaos.
True. Chaos, indeed.
Now, the US stands to benefit from controlling a global resource (just like oil-producing countries benefit from controlling the oil supply). The article seems to hint that it's wrong. You can hardly fault a government from wielding its power to make the world better for its citizens (isn't that's their function, after all?).
Sure. Unfortunately what you don't understand is that, prepare for it... We will do whatever we like and as you said you can't stop us. In a way, it's a war you can't win and you have the options to 1. fight and lose, 2. give up and lose and spare yourselves (and us, ok) years of unbelievable mess. Up to you.
Didnt' we invent it?
We invented, we govern it. Simple. If they want to
create their own version and write the bridges, they
can go ahead, but it was our tax dollars (DARPA) that
developed it in the first place.
Well NO. You certainly invented TCP but saying you invented the internet is downright silly. Just ask the guys at CERN, in Geneve. That is, if you can find it on a map.
Anyway, who has invented it has nothing to do with with who should manage the root DNS servers now. Unless you think that you should: 1. give back the English language to the English, 2. give back, oh, ANY machine invented after and thanks to Watt's invention, 3. etc. etc. Nobody in their right mind would agree with such conditions.
And really, I wonder what you're gonna do to shtop the blooddy europeanz from setting up their servers. Bomb them? ... oh wait.
Which is exactly the reason why the root DNS servers (and not "the intarwebz" as you make it) should not be run by an American government. Or yours or mine.
(Then again, there should be no governments at all in my ideal world, but hey - let's start with the easiest things first.)
When the police come and beat me up and demand access to my uber-encrypted pr0n, I will moan and sigh and whatnot and then I will either: 1. give them the key to the first layer of encrypted stuff, which happens to contain pictures of my dog and my secret love poems. Oh god, how embarassing. Needless to say the leet secretz are hidden under a second level of encryption, whose existance, unfortunately, cannot be proven (I love TrueCrypt); or 2. if I am sure they will simply type the key into the encryption program I use, give them the key that triggers self-destruction of the leet secretz. But I am sure they wouldn't do something so stupid and I've never looked into it anyway.
So, what was the problem again?
If I were interested in buying such movies, I'd probably pay no more than 4 or 5 € each. And that is, if I can get high-quality downloads with no restrictions what-so-ever. Otherwise it's just more convenient to stick to pirated DivXs (sp?).
But I'd actually be much more interested in a kind of monthly fee. Much like Netflix but with downloads instead of boxed DVDs. I'd pay 15-20 for unlimited downloads. However I understand that this kind of setup only works when a certain scarcity of DVDs exists - which is obviously a moot point in the case of digital media.
Well, well. Apparently YOU don't know what you're talking about. Communism is about renouncing private property (and taking away properties from those who have some) and sharing things in the name of the Greater Good. Look at its *name* if you need confirmation. Unfortunately this 1. does not work 2. creates lots of problems. Again, look at the communist countries out there and see how happy they are.
In case you're still wondering, you might recall something called "dictatorship of the proletarians". It's got the word "dictatorship" in it yet you say communism is democracy. Yeah right.
Unless by democracy you mean a "we'll do what we want with your stuff because it's not like you have worked for it while we were wasting our time insulting you and now we envy you because we're little turds so we will take it away from you and feel better"-based government system. In which case it's very democratic.
As for the PATRIOT Act, there was no time to read the bill due to the way it was proposed. Days after 9/11, Democrats weren't about to vote against a bill that claimed to provide tools for fighting terrorism.
Yeah I mean, it's not like it's their well-paid job or anything... They're not supposed to be the finest examples of politicians around...
Free speech should be [blah] we need additional regulations
Yeah right. Everybody knows regulating is the way to go when you want freedom. Additional regulations would probably include all of the nice laws made by Russia, Cuba, China and whatnot in order to, uh, make free speech easier?
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Thanks for the blatant racism.
In which case YOU are responsible for the damage sustained by OmniCorp. I don't see any problem... Actually I see one: the typical tendence of the government to overregulate anything and everything, which will provide 1. no benefit 2. higher costs 3. less freedom 4. more votes by those who think of the chiiiiildren.
I think the duo will rather say something along the lines of "too bad" and spend the rest of their lives perusing the humungous amount of money they have.
Then again, I don't understand why they're not doing it yet.
It would be better managed by a network of many small self-regulating non-governmental entities. Is it that difficult?
figure out the physical location of the students logged in to the server
Call me stupid but, how did you do that? Something like, monitoring new logons, and matching the relative IP/its MAC with a map you had?
The "half a day of WTFs" was the one on our side, you idiot. I don't kid myself that American content is utterly useless (heck I'm on /.) just like you shouldn't kid yourself that the world outside of the USA is worthless. Of course if I have to base my judgement on the American tourists I meet here...
Hell yes he was, he implied it's not totalitarianism.
do you have any idea how much the world trades with the US?
Yes, that's exactly the reason why you don't want this happening.
the world without America is a pipe dream
I thought so but it looks like you're trying to do everything in order to further alienate the world away from you. Anyway I never implied I don't want America. I know you need to feel hated so as to find a reason for existance (otherwise, what's left?), but really I don't hate you. I actually hope I will be able to visit your country when the depression strikes and the dollar is worth shit, and make fun of your disgrace. I also think I will make fun of the incredibly obese people you seem to have down there. Not to mention the way you speak. Bye bye and have fun in your cubicle while you can enjoy it.
Judjing from the knee-jerk reactions all rednecks around here seem to have everytime the issue is raised, I'm afraid "the US threatening to invade anyone who makes a root" is a very possible scenario.
BTW I am an arrogant individual, not all Europeans are like me. Looks like an "ignornant" American, instead, fully embodies the spirit of the USA.
Mmh yeah, so let's compare.
1. Capitalism should work like this and that...
Result: some monopolies, some corruption, some exploiting (well I don't agree with these but that's what most people would complain about)
2. Communism should work like this and that...
Result: millions of people killed in the name of the Greater Good, deported to Siberia, tortured, restricted in every single conceivable way, deprived of any and all freedom; mass murderings while invading Tibet, Great F/W of China; preventing people (and not by kindly asking them not to) from crossing their city and getting to the other side because everybody knows they wouldn't come back (do you get this or is it a bit too European for you?). I could go on but I don't see the need to kill so I'll stop here.
Yeah you're right, it's just a small discrepancy between theory and practice.
God forbid they're hosted in my country!
Even if your proposal reeks of projection and speaks a lot about what you think should be done.
I don't understand how you could misinterpret my post, but you managed to do it. I repeat: you (you AMERICANS, is that clear now? good) are not in any position to negotiate because you have no negotiating power. Want to "unplug the internet", as you seem to imply you can do? Please do. After about half a day of WTF?!s our root servers will be humming nicely and you can bet we won't be sad because of our tragic loss.
The real problems come later, when half of the world begins using our so-called root servers, while half of the world uses yours... now there are no real "root" servers anymore, are there? This is what is going to happen unless you cooperate. And this is the content of the post you managed to misunderstand.
fuck up your access whenever they want is exactly what would happen if, someday, you chose to point lots of interesting domains like "americanssuckcock.com" and "howihateamericanidiots.net" to the homepage of "theusaloveyou-serious.com".
Also, I hate to break the news to you but there simply is no rethoric. Most Europeans really don't give a damn about this stuff and the media don't cover this issue. I now you'd like to think we're all scared by your mighty bombs^H^H^H^H^Hroot servers, but we simply don't care. We're building our root servers and I don't see how you're gong to stop us. HINT: nuking us would blow some servers but likely only a part of them.
I always find you communist apologetics so funny... So tell me: what's the name of that country where communism works the way you say, again?
...
Strangely enough I don't hear any answer.
I think you're a bit overzealous in your forecasts of death & mayhem! Come on, it wouldn't be the first time someone is cut off from the web and, believe or not, the world keeps spinning and people don't usually die when they can't read /. As you say, fail-over would take place very quickly and most users wouldn't even notice anything strange. Someone would find a bunch of sites are suddenly inaccessible and e-mail is not functioning well. Just another of those days when the network has hiccups...
The discussion about the control of the root DNS servers comes up now and again on /. but this is the first time a post addresses the problem with a feasible and logical solution.
The only problem would be with non-national TLDs. Well, let's solve the other problems first and then we can take care of this, too. Maybe it's about time we got rid of these non-sensical domains, anyway.
Yeah... It just so happens that the supposedly independent org that controls them is owned by the US and is subject to American laws, and as such might be asked/forced to do things that a really independent org wouldn't.
The situation is more complicated than that. You can't have conflicting IP addresses without having completely separate networks, which is impractical (everyone will want to be able to connect to sites under the American Hegemony), and you don't want to have conflicting DNS records either. Indeed the rest of the world can set up their own DNS servers for a new TLD (say '.earth'), but they can't force anyone to contact the root server for that domain. The result will be chaos.
True. Chaos, indeed.
Now, the US stands to benefit from controlling a global resource (just like oil-producing countries benefit from controlling the oil supply). The article seems to hint that it's wrong. You can hardly fault a government from wielding its power to make the world better for its citizens (isn't that's their function, after all?).
Sure. Unfortunately what you don't understand is that, prepare for it... We will do whatever we like and as you said you can't stop us. In a way, it's a war you can't win and you have the options to 1. fight and lose, 2. give up and lose and spare yourselves (and us, ok) years of unbelievable mess. Up to you.
Didnt' we invent it?
... oh wait.
We invented, we govern it. Simple. If they want to create their own version and write the bridges, they can go ahead, but it was our tax dollars (DARPA) that developed it in the first place.
Well NO. You certainly invented TCP but saying you invented the internet is downright silly. Just ask the guys at CERN, in Geneve. That is, if you can find it on a map.
Anyway, who has invented it has nothing to do with with who should manage the root DNS servers now. Unless you think that you should: 1. give back the English language to the English, 2. give back, oh, ANY machine invented after and thanks to Watt's invention, 3. etc. etc. Nobody in their right mind would agree with such conditions.
And really, I wonder what you're gonna do to shtop the blooddy europeanz from setting up their servers. Bomb them?
Which is exactly the reason why the root DNS servers (and not "the intarwebz" as you make it) should not be run by an American government. Or yours or mine.
(Then again, there should be no governments at all in my ideal world, but hey - let's start with the easiest things first.)
When the police come and beat me up and demand access to my uber-encrypted pr0n, I will moan and sigh and whatnot and then I will either: 1. give them the key to the first layer of encrypted stuff, which happens to contain pictures of my dog and my secret love poems. Oh god, how embarassing. Needless to say the leet secretz are hidden under a second level of encryption, whose existance, unfortunately, cannot be proven (I love TrueCrypt); or 2. if I am sure they will simply type the key into the encryption program I use, give them the key that triggers self-destruction of the leet secretz. But I am sure they wouldn't do something so stupid and I've never looked into it anyway.
So, what was the problem again?
If I were interested in buying such movies, I'd probably pay no more than 4 or 5 € each. And that is, if I can get high-quality downloads with no restrictions what-so-ever. Otherwise it's just more convenient to stick to pirated DivXs (sp?).
But I'd actually be much more interested in a kind of monthly fee. Much like Netflix but with downloads instead of boxed DVDs. I'd pay 15-20 for unlimited downloads. However I understand that this kind of setup only works when a certain scarcity of DVDs exists - which is obviously a moot point in the case of digital media.
Well, well. Apparently YOU don't know what you're talking about. Communism is about renouncing private property (and taking away properties from those who have some) and sharing things in the name of the Greater Good. Look at its *name* if you need confirmation. Unfortunately this 1. does not work 2. creates lots of problems. Again, look at the communist countries out there and see how happy they are.
In case you're still wondering, you might recall something called "dictatorship of the proletarians". It's got the word "dictatorship" in it yet you say communism is democracy. Yeah right.
Unless by democracy you mean a "we'll do what we want with your stuff because it's not like you have worked for it while we were wasting our time insulting you and now we envy you because we're little turds so we will take it away from you and feel better"-based government system. In which case it's very democratic.
As for the PATRIOT Act, there was no time to read the bill due to the way it was proposed. Days after 9/11, Democrats weren't about to vote against a bill that claimed to provide tools for fighting terrorism.
Yeah I mean, it's not like it's their well-paid job or anything... They're not supposed to be the finest examples of politicians around...
Free speech should be [blah] we need additional regulations
Yeah right. Everybody knows regulating is the way to go when you want freedom. Additional regulations would probably include all of the nice laws made by Russia, Cuba, China and whatnot in order to, uh, make free speech easier?